Post by: Naches Sportsman on February 21, 2014, 07:49:45 AM
If I fill up at exxon in naches, I average 14 mpg-secondary fueling station
Conoco on fruitvale in yakima 17.5 mpg-primary fueling station
Fred meyers 19-very rarely go there.
I would love to go to freds but their gas handles will not stay in the tank. They are basically flying bombs. I have seen so many popping out while people are getting gas it isnt even funny.
I cannot believe how much my mpg's vary at gas stations. It seems like the cheaper gas, 5th better mileage I get.
Post by: fair-chase on February 21, 2014, 08:12:47 AM
At the bottom of the list is Maverick. I loose 7-8mpg (dropping into the 17-18mpg range) when I fill up at Maverick.
It all varies a little bit but these are my latest hand calculations. Don't know when I got in the habit of hand calculating every tank, but it's a disease and I can't stop. :chuckle: I chalk up the difference between 76 and Chevron to driving conditions. But it always seems to come out favoring 76 by a hair.
Post by: Bean Counter on February 21, 2014, 08:16:25 AM
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Post by: ghosthunter on February 21, 2014, 08:42:59 AM
Cook Road Tap & Gas exit I 5 232.
106 hot item deli
Car wash
Propane
Large lot
450 bottled micro brews in stock and 24 Growler Beers on tap.
And great service :tup: :IBCOOL: :twocents:
North of Burlington 1 mile
You asked :tung:
Post by: netcoyote on February 21, 2014, 08:49:00 AM
Post by: fair-chase on February 21, 2014, 08:53:49 AM
Am pm... You guys can pay $0.40 more a gallon if you want :tup:
If there wasn't such a discrepancy in the amount of mpg I get from different stations I would be on board with this. As it is, I save a lot more money by paying the higher price up front. If your vehicle doesn't discriminate, that's awesome. Always nice to have more options. :tup:
Post by: ghosthunter on February 21, 2014, 09:00:26 AM
Am pm... You guys can pay $0.40 more a gallon if you want :tup:
If there wasn't such a discrepancy in the amount of mpg I get from different stations I would be on board with this. As it is, I save a lot more money by paying the higher price up front. If your vehicle doesn't discriminate, that's awesome. Always nice to have more options. :tup:
Exactly
You can pay at the pump a little at the time or pay it all at once in repairs.
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Post by: pd on February 21, 2014, 03:34:31 PM
For you guys who purchase the least expensive fuel, think about two things. First, you already know about the damage to your engine that 10% alcohol blends cause (if you don't, ask anybody who has needed repairs to lawnmowers, chain saws, motorcycles, &c. about this). Second, do yourself a favor and research why someone would get better mileage from pure gasoline. There is a reason for this, and it is not an illusion.
Then, factor in the better mileage, the repair bill, and ask yourself if "cheap" fuel is really inexpensive or not.
Post by: magnanimous_j on February 21, 2014, 03:42:09 PM
Am pm... You guys can pay $0.40 more a gallon if you want :tup:
I'd rather pay more for gas than have to pay the mechanic to clean all the sludge out of my engine.
Post by: dscubame on February 21, 2014, 03:48:23 PM
Am pm... You guys can pay $0.40 more a gallon if you want :tup:
To bad there are no Am Pm's over this way so I am out of luck. I do stop in Thorp and get the cheeseburgers every time I pass by. My wife thinks I am crazy that I dig them but growing up in Western Wa as a kid the Am Pm burger brings back good memories. They are gross but I love them.
Post by: Wazukie on February 21, 2014, 04:06:55 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 21, 2014, 04:10:44 PM
I'm not brand specific. I just swipe the company credit card and turn in the receipt once a month for the bean counter to process so I can sign the checks. :chuckle:
Post by: fish vacuum on February 21, 2014, 09:26:30 PM
CENEX. Pure gasoline.
For you guys who purchase the least expensive fuel, think about two things. First, you already know about the damage to your engine that 10% alcohol blends cause (if you don't, ask anybody who has needed repairs to lawnmowers, chain saws, motorcycles, &c. about this).
I'm not a fuel expert, but from what I've read, most of the damage from ethanol occurs in engines that don't get used on a regular basis. If the fuel is used and replaced with fresh often, the problems from ethanol should at least be greatly reduced. I've never had a fuel problem in a car or truck. They get driven frequently. I have had fuel related problems with small engines like lawnmowers, which didn't get used that often.
Post by: fish vacuum on February 21, 2014, 09:31:51 PM
Let's say you have a 10 gallon tank. Station A's pump might click off when you're right at 10 gallons. Station B's pump might click off when you're at 10.25 gallons.
Post by: fair-chase on February 21, 2014, 09:39:14 PM
I fill up at The Glenwood Inn, best gas in town :tup:
With all the options you have, how to you decide? :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on February 21, 2014, 09:44:56 PM
:stirthepot:
Post by: runamuk on February 21, 2014, 10:55:25 PM
It doesn't seem to matter where I pump my gas, I get the same mileage per tank. Mostly it's Fred Meyer because of the small savings, but AMPM and/or Chevron are super close. Just depends on how much of a hurry I'm in and if I feel like paying 30 cents more.
yep this any gas same mileage...crappy... probably cuz my current mazda is built by ford....and they reccomend BP fuel which is actually AM/PM/arco whatever.... my old chevy trucks liked chevron gas best :dunno:
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 21, 2014, 11:08:14 PM
For the best bang for your stop.
Cook Road Tap & Gas exit I 5 232.
106 hot item deli
Car wash
Propane
Large lot
450 bottled micro brews in stock and 24 Growler Beers on tap.
And great service :tup: :IBCOOL: :twocents:
North of Burlington 1 mile
You asked :tung:
You forgot about the RV turd dump station - donation requested. :chuckle:
Post by: Duffer on February 22, 2014, 03:10:50 AM
I'd rather pay more for gas than have to pay the mechanic to clean all the sludge out of my engine.
Not singling you out, but this is a common feeling. I've NEVER seen any proof of this. We only EVER buy AM/PM (in Stanwood) for our commuters.
1) My Accent went 180,000 miles without so much as an engine hiccup. Sold it to a friend who ran it for a few more years until the auto tranny took a dump.
2) My custom turbo'd Tiburon, running AM/PM premium and beat on intermittantly went 120K before I sold it and afaik is still on the road. Abused.
3) Current Elantra just turned 100K without so much as a set of spark plugs. (which are due now at 100K) and I expect to get another 100K if the auto tranny holds up. Mileage is still 32mpg. Same as the day we bought it new.
Dirt bikes, lawn mowers, tractors, quads, generators. All of 'em. Not once a fuel related problem.
and a couple notes: We see no difference in MPG from station to station (when we make long trips and buy from different stations along the way) and if the station next to AMPM sells fuel for cheaper (as it appears they are) then I'll head over there!
Fuel here in our area only comes from one of 2 refineries. Yes brands add different additives, but the basic fuel is the same stuff. Just stay away from stations that are never busy. Freshest fuel is at the busiest stations. Anyone can get a bad load of fuel (meaning either water or contaminated with the previous load of whatever was hauled) but that's not the brand or the stations fault. That's on the carrier and around here there are only a couple carriers left
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 22, 2014, 06:41:11 AM
Post by: buglebuster on February 22, 2014, 07:38:33 AM
I'd rather pay more for gas than have to pay the mechanic to clean all the sludge out of my engine.
Not singling you out, but this is a common feeling. I've NEVER seen any proof of this. We only EVER buy AM/PM (in Stanwood) for our commuters.
1) My Accent went 180,000 miles without so much as an engine hiccup. Sold it to a friend who ran it for a few more years until the auto tranny took a dump.
2) My custom turbo'd Tiburon, running AM/PM premium and beat on intermittantly went 120K before I sold it and afaik is still on the road. Abused.
3) Current Elantra just turned 100K without so much as a set of spark plugs. (which are due now at 100K) and I expect to get another 100K if the auto tranny holds up. Mileage is still 32mpg. Same as the day we bought it new.
Dirt bikes, lawn mowers, tractors, quads, generators. All of 'em. Not once a fuel related problem.
and a couple notes: We see no difference in MPG from station to station (when we make long trips and buy from different stations along the way) and if the station next to AMPM sells fuel for cheaper (as it appears they are) then I'll head over there!
Fuel here in our area only comes from one of 2 refineries. Yes brands add different additives, but the basic fuel is the same stuff. Just stay away from stations that are never busy. Freshest fuel is at the busiest stations. Anyone can get a bad load of fuel (meaning either water or contaminated with the previous load of whatever was hauled) but that's not the brand or the stations fault. That's on the carrier and around here there are only a couple carriers left
Exactly! I have used nothing but Arco fuel for about 7 years in all of our rigs, except for the rare occasion somewhere else is cheaper. I have never had a problem. My crx I picked up for a commuter is sitting at 245k and I know for a fact its been running on Arco gas for the last 150k and running like a champ.
Post by: bobcat on February 22, 2014, 07:51:44 AM
Post by: Wazukie on February 22, 2014, 07:57:27 AM
I fill up at The Glenwood Inn, best gas in town :tup:
With all the options you have, how to you decide? :chuckle:
I got's to tell you, it is a very difficult choice, but hey, they are the closest to me :tup:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 22, 2014, 08:08:54 AM
for maximum mileage it would be ethanol free (which I use in all my tools/Toys) Then 76 and Chevron and your Safeway points work at Chevron.. AM PM doesn't start a decent fire :chuckle: Remember 110 octane leaded for our muscle cars??Am pm... You guys can pay $0.40 more a gallon if you want :tup:
If there wasn't such a discrepancy in the amount of mpg I get from different stations I would be on board with this. As it is, I save a lot more money by paying the higher price up front. If your vehicle doesn't discriminate, that's awesome. Always nice to have more options. :tup:
Post by: Rick on February 22, 2014, 09:03:50 AM
I find it impossible to believe anyone gets 7-8 MPG difference between stations. It may have happened once in a perfect storm scenario,but to happen every time,I'm calling BS.
Post by: bobcat on February 22, 2014, 09:09:26 AM
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I find it impossible to believe anyone gets 7-8 MPG difference between stations. It may have happened once in a perfect storm scenario,but to happen every time,I'm calling BS.
:yeah:
I watch my gas mileage pretty closely and it's directly related to how fast I drive, not where I buy my gas.
Basically it's about like this:
55mph on the freeway: 34 mpg.
70mph on the freeway: 25 mpg.
Post by: jackelope on February 22, 2014, 09:12:35 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 22, 2014, 10:03:37 AM
You can't contribute a 1/2 MPG difference between tanks as having run gas from two different stations. Far too many variables in play.
I find it impossible to believe anyone gets 7-8 MPG difference between stations. It may have happened once in a perfect storm scenario,but to happen every time,I'm calling BS.
Okay lets talk performance
My brother was an AM/PM disciple for years, and his Cash register shop was really close to one of their outlets. We would load up the 3 snowmobiles at his place in Lake Stevens and I would take the wheel...... heading north on 9 Past 84th the thing was CONSTANTLY shifting down and back enough that I mentioned I bet it is fuel quality. Arlington west to Island crossing I filled it with Unocal and after about 6 miles headed north toward Baker it NEVER happened again.
Another example is I drovea A WTA vanpool van TO BP and I would bring it inside the plant to fuel it up and the fuel coming out of their OWN tank had a totally different smell to it than what they sell to you...
Another thing......someone said there were 2 refineries in the area.....better count again.
As with everything else You get what you pay for or not.
Post by: fair-chase on February 22, 2014, 12:42:27 PM
You can't contribute a 1/2 MPG difference between tanks as having run gas from two different stations. Far too many variables in play.
I agree. That's why I clearly stated in my first post "I chalk up the difference between 76 and Chevron to driving conditions."
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I find it impossible to believe anyone gets 7-8 MPG difference between stations. It may have happened once in a perfect storm scenario,but to happen every time,I'm calling BS.
I can assure you that it is not impossible. I wish it were. Then I wouldn't have to worry about where I fill up at. I could just go to the cheapest station around and call it good. It just so happens that my current vehicle is sensitive to the type of fuel it receives. Of course not all vehicles are like this, and if you got one that will burn anything under the sun with no noticeable difference, then you should consider yourself fortunate.
Post by: jackelope on February 22, 2014, 03:09:29 PM
Post by: Rick on February 22, 2014, 03:30:20 PM
You can't contribute a 1/2 MPG difference between tanks as having run gas from two different stations. Far too many variables in play.
I agree. That's why I clearly stated in my first post "I chalk up the difference between 76 and Chevron to driving conditions."QuoteI find it impossible to believe anyone gets 7-8 MPG difference between stations. It may have happened once in a perfect storm scenario,but to happen every time,I'm calling BS.
I can assure you that it is not impossible. I wish it were. Then I wouldn't have to worry about where I fill up at. I could just go to the cheapest station around and call it good. It just so happens that my current vehicle is sensitive to the type of fuel it receives. Of course not all vehicles are like this, and if you got one that will burn anything under the sun with no noticeable difference, then you should consider yourself fortunate.
The only person you need to convince is yourself.
Post by: dewandgin on February 22, 2014, 04:28:57 PM
From the Wetside. like the darkside only Wetter!
Post by: fair-chase on February 22, 2014, 08:31:26 PM
What do you drive?
'08 6 cylinder Accord with 150k. 90% of my miles are in commuting from Tri-Cities to Walla Walla.
Post by: hollymaster on February 22, 2014, 08:39:04 PM
Right now I get diesel at Fred Meyer, my toys get non ethanol fuel from a little place in Auburn.
:yeah: Plus my wife shops there a lot so I usually get 80 cents of a gallon! :IBCOOL:
Post by: Lucky1 on February 22, 2014, 08:42:57 PM
Post by: fair-chase on February 22, 2014, 08:44:10 PM
:yeah: Plus my wife shops there a lot so I usually get 80 cents of a gallon! :IBCOOL:
80 cent discount per gallon!!! That's awesome. :tup:
Post by: bobcat on February 22, 2014, 08:51:35 PM
Post by: buglebuster on February 22, 2014, 09:22:23 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on February 22, 2014, 09:24:57 PM
All this talk about getting better mileage with gas from certain stations, and someone mentioned Cenex in Chehalis, so I drove down there today and filled up the car. Will find out in a couple weeks if it makes any difference. I'd like to see 33 or 34 mpg.
This one?
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Post by: bobcat on February 22, 2014, 09:26:43 PM
All this talk about getting better mileage with gas from certain stations, and someone mentioned Cenex in Chehalis, so I drove down there today and filled up the car. Will find out in a couple weeks if it makes any difference. I'd like to see 33 or 34 mpg.
This one?
:chuckle: Yep that would be the one. :tup:
Post by: billythekidrock on February 22, 2014, 09:36:22 PM
Here is one without the logo.
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Post by: Dhoey07 on February 22, 2014, 09:48:45 PM
Right now I get diesel at Fred Meyer, my toys get non ethanol fuel from a little place in Auburn.
:yeah: Plus my wife shops there a lot so I usually get 80 cents of a gallon! :IBCOOL:
Your wife spends 800 dollars a week at Freddie's??? :yike:
Post by: Smossy on February 22, 2014, 10:06:07 PM
Post by: Duffer on February 22, 2014, 10:16:50 PM
2 of them are right next door to each other at March Point. One is down Harbor Island.
2 are Shell, one is Tesoro.
I don't think anyone would argue that Gasoline without ethanol will give better performance (and probably better mileage) but around my area finding alcohol-free gas is impossible
Interesting that an OBD-II controlled vehicle, whose fuel consumption is entirely controlled by the output of the oxygen sensors (at least in closed loop) would see any measurable difference in mileage. Not impossible, but interesting. I could see the possibility (more than a possibility actually) that the pumps at certain stations are way off in their volume calibration and therefore one is getting more (or less) fuel than the pump gauge reads!
'Our' AMPM just had their pumps recal'd because someone called the state to complain. Their pumps were right on. Look at the sticker on the pump. Those things don't get checked very often.
On a side note about running high octane in a vehicle that does not require it: Some folks swear it runs better or gets better mileage. Others will argue "impossible!" On an ODB-II vehicle it is possible. The computer is constantly searching for max timing advance thru the knock sensor. Higher octane fuel will allow the baseline timing to eventually 'learn' its way up. More timing = more power. It can also cause you to fail a tailpipe test.
Your mileage may vary! :chuckle:
Post by: dewandgin on February 22, 2014, 10:33:49 PM
Oops: Refineries IN MY AREA (I believe I said). There are not two, there are 3.
2 of them are right next door to each other at March Point. One is down Harbor Island.
2 are Shell, one is Tesoro.
I don't think anyone would argue that Gasoline without ethanol will give better performance (and probably better mileage) but around my area finding alcohol-free gas is impossible
Interesting that an OBD-II controlled vehicle, whose fuel consumption is entirely controlled by the output of the oxygen sensors (at least in closed loop) would see any measurable difference in mileage. Not impossible, but interesting. I could see the possibility (more than a possibility actually) that the pumps at certain stations are way off in their volume calibration and therefore one is getting more (or less) fuel than the pump gauge reads!
'Our' AMPM just had their pumps recal'd because someone called the state to complain. Their pumps were right on. Look at the sticker on the pump. Those things don't get checked very often.
On a side note about running high octane in a vehicle that does not require it: Some folks swear it runs better or gets better mileage. Others will argue "impossible!" On an ODB-II vehicle it is possible. The computer is constantly searching for max timing advance thru the knock sensor. Higher octane fuel will allow the baseline timing to eventually 'learn' its way up. More timing = more power. It can also cause you to fail a tailpipe test.
Your mileage may vary! :chuckle:
No it uses alot more than just the oxygen sensor in OBDII vehicles to control fuel rate and delivery. Including but not limited to MAF,MAP,Timing Advance,Knock sensor(s), Cat Efficiency, etc. The fuel rate is constantly monitored and adjusted using Short term fuel trim and then after enough short term adjustments it switches to long term. The oxygen sensor just monitors what you are putting out pre and post cat and can make some adjustments but Ethanol has less energy that gas so to produce the same amount of power you use more Ethanol. Vehicles that are E85 compatible normally drop 3-7MPG when the switch using a totally different mapping system. (Sorry if this is rambling but I work on these all day long and write software for programmers). Normal changes from E10 to normal fuel usually produces a 2-5MPG gain after 2-3 full tanks. Almost all cars today are not going to be harmed by E10 but shelf life of fuel with E10 is short with some windows only 30days. If you are filling at a station that turns over its fuel constantly you probably will not have any problems. For me it is a personal choice and I know my car runs better and smoother and gets better fuel mileage (your results may vary :chuckle: :tup:)
Post by: C-Money on February 25, 2014, 10:27:42 AM