Post by: Hoyt_Alaska on February 22, 2014, 07:21:24 PM
Should have done my homework. She's bad news. Excuse after excuse now won't answer phone. Email, text. Etc.
Local warden with fish and wildlife has been contacted in her region. Sherrif and polics in Rochester are also aware. Hopefully she answers her door and they can get my customers stuff back.,
FYI, payment was made in full to include return shipping. We were friends on Facebook for 4-5 years. If she treats her friends like this. And another taxidermist as such, I could only imagine the frustration felt resident hunters looking to get their work done.
If any of her friends or she sees this, I'd urge her to pick up the phone. The hole she's digging is only getting deeper by the day..
Thanks
907-315-4432 is my number in case others have similar issues. My attorney is drawing up paperwork, if you been screwed by this lady and would like to add your name and $ she owes you to the lawsuit, give me a call
Post by: h20hunter on February 22, 2014, 07:22:47 PM
Post by: PolarBear on February 22, 2014, 07:29:56 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on February 22, 2014, 07:31:19 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 22, 2014, 07:35:16 PM
Post by: KFhunter on February 22, 2014, 07:36:19 PM
Sounds like another troll to me.
Dahlberg's Taxidermy 459 North Angus Loop ... (907)315-4432.
https://www.facebook.com/dahlbergstaxidermy (https://www.facebook.com/dahlbergstaxidermy)
There is a good possibility this is legit.
Maybe one of the mods can see if the IP leads to a provider in AK?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 22, 2014, 07:40:33 PM
Post by: kenzmad on February 22, 2014, 07:47:22 PM
Post by: TheHunt on February 22, 2014, 07:51:07 PM
Post by: Coastal_native on February 22, 2014, 07:52:45 PM
Post by: snowpack on February 22, 2014, 07:52:57 PM
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on February 22, 2014, 08:02:10 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on February 22, 2014, 08:03:52 PM
Post by: dfresh96 on February 22, 2014, 08:05:46 PM
Post by: Crunchy on February 22, 2014, 08:13:59 PM
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Post by: stevemiller on February 22, 2014, 08:16:24 PM
Post by: MLBowhunting on February 22, 2014, 08:25:52 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 22, 2014, 08:34:27 PM
Our first agreement was for you to ship me 2 Lynx, 5 days later you inform me that you are going to include a Bear too. Not part of our original agreement, but I agreed to rug that one to for you.
You mailed the Hides to me on Nov 29th and I recieved them on Dec 5th. You also included a check for $580. You wanted a Lynx done by Christmas. The Lynx was completed and mailed back to you on the 18th, at my expense ($35). You received it on December 21st. You didn't even open the box until the evening of the 22nd, and only because I insisted. You also didn't finish it out by Christmas. That was a 16 day turn around.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi126.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp115%2Fmichellestaxidermy%2FCapture_zpsd8ffdb7a.png&hash=10781136dccfa59572b47710fe7f7baddb1474de) (http://s126.photobucket.com/user/michellestaxidermy/media/Capture_zpsd8ffdb7a.png.html)
Post by: Hoyt_Alaska on February 22, 2014, 08:35:39 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 22, 2014, 08:37:50 PM
Post by: rb2506 on February 22, 2014, 08:39:49 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 22, 2014, 08:41:27 PM
Post by: h20hunter on February 22, 2014, 08:42:10 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on February 22, 2014, 08:42:28 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on February 22, 2014, 08:44:36 PM
Post by: Hoyt_Alaska on February 22, 2014, 08:48:42 PM
This isn't about 35.00 in shipping, first I heard of it.,must be the Saturday night excuse.
Post by: stevemiller on February 22, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Post by: Spuddieselwwu on February 22, 2014, 08:52:07 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on February 22, 2014, 08:53:04 PM
... When dates aren't met, it's bad for business..
This site has seen that too many times now
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 22, 2014, 08:55:42 PM
that would surprise me that a fish and wildlife officer would go get your stuff.this is a civil matter if your telling the truth the courts will deal with it in your favor if not in her favor.
:yeah:
Post by: 6haase6 on February 22, 2014, 09:03:57 PM
Post by: Hoyt_Alaska on February 22, 2014, 09:12:39 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 22, 2014, 09:14:20 PM
http://www.taxidermy.net/forum/index.php?topic=329651.0 (http://www.taxidermy.net/forum/index.php?topic=329651.0)
Post by: stevemiller on February 22, 2014, 09:16:36 PM
It's to have felt sewn around the edge of a rug, wholesale ruggers do this, ie: Michelle Nelson rugging. trust me, I have plenty of work Steve. Nice try though,Nice try? wasnt trying anything, you are. if you cant do a job dont take it on.Isnt that what you are saying here about Michelle?
Post by: stevemiller on February 22, 2014, 09:20:50 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 22, 2014, 09:21:59 PM
Since 2/14/2014 you have sent me no less than 5 threatening messages through Facebook and through Text Messages. You came on here and said that you paid me for return shipping? When you know you didn't. Why would I want to talk to you on the phone so you can threaten me more?
Post by: stevemiller on February 22, 2014, 09:24:28 PM
Post by: 6haase6 on February 22, 2014, 09:25:22 PM
Post by: Jolten on February 22, 2014, 09:30:04 PM
Post by: h20hunter on February 22, 2014, 09:33:54 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 22, 2014, 09:34:03 PM
No joke. Either learn how to do the job from start to finish or don't do it. The customer is paying YOU for YOUR work!
Unfortunately many taxidermists do this. Many send the hides out to a tannery to be done as well. Many will send birds to others to have done in bulk as well. The guy many not specialize in ruging but tries to set qualified individuals that do good work to add to his product offering. Seems smart if everyone is on the same page. I see some taxidermist do great on big game, but are way off the mark on waterfowl. :twocents:
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 22, 2014, 09:36:36 PM
Just like the majority of taxi's send their hides out in bulk to be tanned and then finish your deer or elk. Not really that much different in the "do it start to finish mentality".
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 22, 2014, 09:37:19 PM
Beat me to it. :chuckle:No joke. Either learn how to do the job from start to finish or don't do it. The customer is paying YOU for YOUR work!
Unfortunately many taxidermists do this. Many send the hides out to a tannery to be done as well. Many will send birds to others to have done in bulk as well. The guy many not specialize in ruging but tries to set qualified individuals that do good work to add to his product offering. Seems smart if everyone is on the same page. I see some taxidermist do great on big game, but are way off the mark on waterfowl. :twocents:
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 22, 2014, 09:39:07 PM
A few years ago Hoyt_Alaska offered to pay my airfair up to AK house and feed me in exchange for me to get him set up and teach him how to Rug his own animals. I declined because I was behind from all the things going on in 2010/2011.
In 2013 I put the offer on the table that if he would pay for the plane ticket down here I would house and feed him. Along with teaching him in detail how to do the Rug work on his animals. Everything from start to finish.
If you look up taxidermy schools you can see what they charge for a week of instruction. I offered this to him for free.
Post by: h20hunter on February 22, 2014, 09:43:01 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on February 22, 2014, 09:47:56 PM
I want to point out something. There are a LOT of taxidermists that send there rugs out to be rugged. Most don't know or are not set up for doing that part. I do everything in house.
A few years ago Hoyt_Alaska offered to pay my airfair up to AK house and feed me in exchange for me to get him set up and teach him how to Rug his own animals. I declined because I was behind from all the things going on in 2010/2011.
In 2013 I put the offer on the table that if he would pay for the plane ticket down here I would house and feed him. Along with teaching him in detail how to do the Rug work on his animals. Everything from start to finish.
If you look up taxidermy schools you can see what they charge for a week of instruction. I offered this to him for free.
I don't know all of the details but Michelle has mentioned this to me on more than a couple occasions.
Post by: Hoyt_Alaska on February 22, 2014, 09:50:13 PM
Id love to post up a copy and paste of all the delays and excuses. But my iPhone screen is too small to capture em all. Well see what mr. Alexander says Monday and I'll get on a laptop and copy paste all the details.
Post by: h20hunter on February 22, 2014, 09:52:14 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on February 22, 2014, 09:53:05 PM
Come on guys, if saying I'm calling the law or the fish n game is a threat, then I'm guilty.. No threats were made in physical harm to anyone. To say I'm ticked off would be a understatement. Seems we have to communicate on here vs the phone..that's sad,
Id love to post up a copy and paste of all the delays and excuses. But my iPhone screen is too small to capture em all. Well see what mr. Alexander says Monday and I'll get on a laptop and copy paste all the details.
Did you say you were having people come to her house from JBLM?
Post by: stevemiller on February 22, 2014, 09:53:59 PM
Post by: seth30 on February 22, 2014, 09:55:05 PM
:yeah:Come on guys, if saying I'm calling the law or the fish n game is a threat, then I'm guilty.. No threats were made in physical harm to anyone. To say I'm ticked off would be a understatement. Seems we have to communicate on here vs the phone..that's sad,
Id love to post up a copy and paste of all the delays and excuses. But my iPhone screen is too small to capture em all. Well see what mr. Alexander says Monday and I'll get on a laptop and copy paste all the details.
Did you say you were having people come to her house from JBLM?
Post by: 6haase6 on February 22, 2014, 10:06:40 PM
Post by: stevemiller on February 22, 2014, 10:10:27 PM
Post by: runamuk on February 22, 2014, 10:16:18 PM
you realize lots of taxi's use ruggers, and tanneries, and other outside aka outsourcing? if you dont know this I suggest you step back and study a bit. I know some of the best taxi's out there outsource components of their work because their time is valuable and their skill in finish work is what is being paid for not their skill in tanning or sewing or even gluing and stretching.It's to have felt sewn around the edge of a rug, wholesale ruggers do this, ie: Michelle Nelson rugging. trust me, I have plenty of work Steve. Nice try though,Nice try? wasnt trying anything, you are. if you cant do a job dont take it on.Isnt that what you are saying here about Michelle?
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 22, 2014, 10:23:41 PM
Post by: 6haase6 on February 22, 2014, 10:25:52 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on February 22, 2014, 10:29:46 PM
I know a lot of taxi'a use tanneries all I'm saying is they better tell me they do and what tannery they are using so I can research everybody involved. Otherwise I am going to be very upset and I will let them know and they will never see another product from me.
You may want to work up a list of questions to ask based on what type of work you are having done.
Some will take your bird/fish/rug and send it to some one who specializes in that work and then the original taxi will do the finish work.
Most will not tell you this is being done and most customers won't know the difference.
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 22, 2014, 10:36:37 PM
:chuckle:I know a lot of taxi'a use tanneries all I'm saying is they better tell me they do and what tannery they are using so I can research everybody involved. Otherwise I am going to be very upset and I will let them know and they will never see another product from me.
You may want to work up a list of questions to ask based on what type of work you are having done.
Some will take your bird/fish/rug and send it to some one who specializes in that work and then the original taxi will do the finish work.
Most will not tell you this is being done and most customers won't know the difference.
He should get the info on who makes the eyes, the form, the adhesive's. I wonder if he knows who cut the wood that a pedestal was made out of.
What about the grocery store and that jar of mustard. Can't have a jar of mustard without knowing who made it.
Man, it must be difficult going thru life being so in control of everything in your world. :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on February 22, 2014, 10:41:48 PM
that would surprise me that a fish and wildlife officer would go get your stuff.this is a civil matter if your telling the truth the courts will deal with it in your favor if not in her favor.
:yeah:
I'm sure they'll go check it out, cites and all that. I highly doubt he'd seize it and ship it back though ;)
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 22, 2014, 10:46:58 PM
Welcome to the Michelle Nelson's Taxidermy bashing forum :tup:. I have noticed she doesn't frequent the site like she used to and is not a global moderator nor sponsored taxidermist on the forum anymore.
She doesn't have to be sponsored anymore. She gets lot's of free advertising these days. Pages worth. :yike:
Post by: stevemiller on February 22, 2014, 10:50:48 PM
Yes, I do know this. :tup: I guess I wasnt clear with everyone posting quickly.What I was saying is why did he send this out to have done to Michelle?He has been in business since 2009 who was doing this for him before and why now did he need to send it to Michelle?Maybe probs. with others,IE him not wanting to pay the return shipping,dont know he never responded to my question,Who did it before?you realize lots of taxi's use ruggers, and tanneries, and other outside aka outsourcing? if you dont know this I suggest you step back and study a bit. I know some of the best taxi's out there outsource components of their work because their time is valuable and their skill in finish work is what is being paid for not their skill in tanning or sewing or even gluing and stretching.It's to have felt sewn around the edge of a rug, wholesale ruggers do this, ie: Michelle Nelson rugging. trust me, I have plenty of work Steve. Nice try though,Nice try? wasnt trying anything, you are. if you cant do a job dont take it on.Isnt that what you are saying here about Michelle?
Post by: GurrCentral on February 22, 2014, 11:05:44 PM
:chuckle:I know a lot of taxi'a use tanneries all I'm saying is they better tell me they do and what tannery they are using so I can research everybody involved. Otherwise I am going to be very upset and I will let them know and they will never see another product from me.
You may want to work up a list of questions to ask based on what type of work you are having done.
Some will take your bird/fish/rug and send it to some one who specializes in that work and then the original taxi will do the finish work.
Most will not tell you this is being done and most customers won't know the difference.
He should get the info on who makes the eyes, the form, the adhesive's. I wonder if he knows who cut the wood that a pedestal was made out of.
What about the grocery store and that jar of mustard. Can't have a jar of mustard without knowing who made it.
Man, it must be difficult going thru life being so in control of everything in your world. :chuckle:
:chuckle: My thoughts exactly!! :chuckle:
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 22, 2014, 11:08:24 PM
Post by: KFhunter on February 22, 2014, 11:21:26 PM
Post by: runamuk on February 22, 2014, 11:40:55 PM
kinda like asking who made your engine components where they were assembled and on and on.... how about going to a restaurant and asking about the beef back to say origin...which bloodlines, what they ate how they lived method of kill and length of hang who did it and on and on? does anyone ask that :dunno: :dunno:I know a lot of taxi'a use tanneries all I'm saying is they better tell me they do and what tannery they are using so I can research everybody involved. Otherwise I am going to be very upset and I will let them know and they will never see another product from me.
You may want to work up a list of questions to ask based on what type of work you are having done.
Some will take your bird/fish/rug and send it to some one who specializes in that work and then the original taxi will do the finish work.
Most will not tell you this is being done and most customers won't know the difference.
Post by: stevemiller on February 22, 2014, 11:59:41 PM
Post by: 6haase6 on February 23, 2014, 02:25:04 AM
I actually do know where my taxi gets his supplies from. Idk to me seems like a no brainer to ask where or who is going to be handling your stuff. You guys can bash me all you want but you won't ever see me up here cry about getting shafted on work I had done on anything I own. Just saying do your homework.:chuckle:I know a lot of taxi'a use tanneries all I'm saying is they better tell me they do and what tannery they are using so I can research everybody involved. Otherwise I am going to be very upset and I will let them know and they will never see another product from me.
You may want to work up a list of questions to ask based on what type of work you are having done.
Some will take your bird/fish/rug and send it to some one who specializes in that work and then the original taxi will do the finish work.
Most will not tell you this is being done and most customers won't know the difference.
He should get the info on who makes the eyes, the form, the adhesive's. I wonder if he knows who cut the wood that a pedestal was made out of.
What about the grocery store and that jar of mustard. Can't have a jar of mustard without knowing who made it.
Man, it must be difficult going thru life being so in control of everything in your world. :chuckle:
Post by: Duffer on February 23, 2014, 04:05:43 AM
I don't see anything wrong with knowing who and what work your primary business is subbing to but ultimately it shouldn't matter. The primary business is personally responsible for the quality of their sub'd out work.
If, heaven forbid, a Boeing A/P falls out of the sky do you think they can stand in front of their customers and the world and point the finger at their subcontracted engine manufacturer? I don't think so. Only our President does can get away with that crap! :chuckle:
I have a friend who does 'Full Service' custom auto restorations. His bill is seldom under 100K for a complete job (which is why I do my own!) but he doesn't do everything himself. He can't. Not enough equipment, room or skill. For instance he sends work out to a painter/shop for body & paint. Ya know what happens if it comes back less than perfect? It goes BACK TO THE PAINTER to fix it! Too many goofs and he just finds another painter.
When the customer finally comes to pick up his masterpiece it has to be perfect because my friend's reputation is on the line for future work. If I sent a project to him, I wouldn't feel the need to ask him who is doing the paint cuz I don't care. When I pick it up it will be perfect. Period.
Sorry for the Hyjack. Back to your regularly scheduled programming
Post by: rasbo on February 23, 2014, 06:24:26 AM
Post by: LittleJohn on February 23, 2014, 06:25:25 AM
Post by: haugenna on February 23, 2014, 06:45:12 AM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 23, 2014, 07:36:30 AM
Post by: rasbo on February 23, 2014, 07:39:35 AM
Both of his Rugs were completed by Feb 11, 2014.sunds like he needs to pony up the postal fees and be done
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 23, 2014, 07:54:00 AM
Interesting side topic about subcontracting.
I don't see anything wrong with knowing who and what work your primary business is subbing to but ultimately it shouldn't matter. The primary business is personally responsible for the quality of their sub'd out work..................
I have a friend who does 'Full Service' custom auto restorations. His bill is seldom under 100K for a complete job (which is why I do my own!) but he doesn't do everything himself. He can't. Not enough equipment, room or skill. For instance he sends work out to a painter/shop for body & paint. Ya know what happens if it comes back less than perfect? It goes BACK TO THE PAINTER to fix it! Too many goofs and he just finds another painter.
I agree that it is reasonable for some sub-contracting/out sourcing to go on. Michelle has stated here that she is now outsourcing skulls to a beetle'er, which reduces the smell and floor space in her garage. Makes sense to me.
My only points I would make to Michelle are two:
1) Write a clear and comprehensive scope of work for each order received, including allowances for shipping and storage. Point out and clarify changes and shortages immediately. This certainly may have helped in this situation.
2) The book is still being written on how companies need to respond to allegations on the net-twitter-facebook etc. This applies from companies the size of Michelle's operation to BoA. I know it sounds difficult, but I suggest not involving yourself in open discussions with unhappy customers on a open forum involving third parties. It kind of becomes a lose-lose situation for the contractor.
Good luck
Post by: TheHunt on February 23, 2014, 08:17:39 AM
Both of his Rugs were completed by Feb 11, 2014.sunds like he needs to pony up the postal fees and be done
I think we have a winner. Yet, he is still on here responding. Pay the postage and get your stuff. Your done with Mitch anyway. Mitch did the right thing like Rodsav has indicated. When you threaten with a lawyer all communications stop. Threaten to send JBLM people to her shop will only get people in trouble. I can tell you a phone call to the CO if anyone showed up would stop that in its tracks.
Please respond to this thread that YOU HAVE PAID THE POSTAGE.
Post by: BNAElkhntr on February 23, 2014, 08:26:15 AM
How many more of these can pop up?
I suspect Every Taxidermist Has a Story! We as Hunters come in with a animal That maybe we didn't take Quite Good enough care and or expect the Taxidermist to create a Vision we have of how the Animal Should Look
And Since It is a Art Form I'm Sure diferrences occur. This Is not to Excuse purely Crappy work.
I'm A Electrician By trade and we sometimes have miscoomunications but the Older I get The more I plainly speak and write it down and get a Signature :twocents:
Post by: jay.sharkbait on February 23, 2014, 08:30:49 AM
Both of his Rugs were completed by Feb 11, 2014.sunds like he needs to pony up the postal fees and be done
I think we have a winner. Yet, he is still on here responding. Pay the postage and get your stuff. Your done with Mitch anyway. Mitch did the right thing like Rodsav has indicated. When you threaten with a lawyer all communications stop. Threaten to send JBLM people to her shop will only get people in trouble. I can tell you a phone call to the CO if anyone showed up would stop that in its tracks.
Please respond to this thread that YOU HAVE PAID THE POSTAGE.
Did someone threaten to send "JBLM" personnel to someone's place of business?
If so I would like to know via PM
Thanks
Post by: TheHunt on February 23, 2014, 08:32:28 AM
Both of his Rugs were completed by Feb 11, 2014.sunds like he needs to pony up the postal fees and be done
I think we have a winner. Yet, he is still on here responding. Pay the postage and get your stuff. Your done with Mitch anyway. Mitch did the right thing like Rodsav has indicated. When you threaten with a lawyer all communications stop. Threaten to send JBLM people to her shop will only get people in trouble. I can tell you a phone call to the CO if anyone showed up would stop that in its tracks.
Please respond to this thread that YOU HAVE PAID THE POSTAGE.
Did someone threaten to send "JBLM" personnel to someone's place of business?
If so I would like to know via PM
Thanks
Yes, it was quoted in this thread. CRAZY huh
Post by: billythekidrock on February 23, 2014, 08:40:37 AM
Both of his Rugs were completed by Feb 11, 2014.sunds like he needs to pony up the postal fees and be done
I think we have a winner. Yet, he is still on here responding. Pay the postage and get your stuff. Your done with Mitch anyway. Mitch did the right thing like Rodsav has indicated. When you threaten with a lawyer all communications stop. Threaten to send JBLM people to her shop will only get people in trouble. I can tell you a phone call to the CO if anyone showed up would stop that in its tracks.
Please respond to this thread that YOU HAVE PAID THE POSTAGE.
Did someone threaten to send "JBLM" personnel to someone's place of business?
If so I would like to know via PM
Thanks
Yes, it was quoted in this thread. CRAZY huh
If you are referring to my post, it was a question I asked, which he did not answer. It was not meant as a statement of fact or intent. Just fact finding.
Post by: TheHunt on February 23, 2014, 08:43:42 AM
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 23, 2014, 08:58:01 AM
Post by: Whitelightning on February 23, 2014, 09:01:55 AM
I know every large corporation I have worked for as well as my own company there has been a policy in place. When someone says the words "Sue" or "Take Legal Action" that's it! No more conversation except "here is my/our attorney's name and number. I apologies, but we can no longer continue this conversation without our legal department/representation present."
Corporations realize few if any are going to hire an attorney for $160/hr to sue you over $35.00. But these days few take the risks. Now maybe Michelle doesn't have an attorney on retainer. All business owners should, but not all do or realize they should. But remember this is common practice in the world we live in today. So if you want to resolve an issue keep a cool head and refrain from using those words and you'll generally get a lot further with fewer headaches.
On a direct note about Michelle Nelson. She is behind after issues with tannery's and she knows it. I have animals in process with her and the very first thing I have been told is expected lead time. It's shocking, but she has been up front and extremely clear about it! The other thing she has always been clear about has been freight fees...some she will cover others she will not. I've left her place with a clear understanding that I will have to wait and what my costs are going to be. When I've balked at some lead times she has offered to cape, flesh, dry and ship my capes to another taxidermist if I wanted her too. During times of hot weather that's a nice option to have for me as drives to Seattle aren't as easy to come by as they use to be.
One of the delights has been how well she has answered all my calls, PM's and questions. Although we both keep similar hours working through the night and sleeping through the early hours. So our social times match well where for others it may not. I know we have had a few phone calls about my work at 3:00 in the morning :chuckle: All the while, even if I do my fair share of whining, we are pleasant to one another. Maybe if I were a hot head things might be different. :dunno: But so far the work has been good and the relationship has been nothing to complain about.
You are definitely not going to get the quickest turn around in the area with Michelle on most things, but there has never been any secret about that. I've known exactly what I'm in for and I've always had the opportunity to go else where before checks are written and processes get started. And on some things I have chosen to use someone else.
Doesn't mean others haven't had issues. But for myself? I haven't had any surprises yet. Except the occasional project that arrives sooner than I thought it would. I don't mind those surprises ;)
I agree! I have had her do a bear rug and now she has an Antelope of mine. Both times up front with times and called ME with any issues that came up with the Bear. The Antelope I was told a time and it is actually ahead of schedule! How do I know this because SHE CALLED and informed me!! I know shocking right! not to me!!
Post by: huntnphool on February 23, 2014, 09:04:04 AM
Post by: runningboard on February 23, 2014, 09:09:43 AM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 23, 2014, 09:12:05 AM
Post by: JKEEN33 on February 23, 2014, 09:12:17 AM
He said, she said doesn't work well in business. I hope it all gets worked out.
I will also add two months seems like an extremely fast turnaround for a taxidermist to me. I'm sure there are plenty of projects ahead of these.
Post by: Whitelightning on February 23, 2014, 09:12:42 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on February 23, 2014, 09:12:51 AM
looks kind of like it, but I think it's supposed to be 11/26/2013Yep. And she said it was mailed with the hides.
Post by: engelwood on February 23, 2014, 09:45:06 AM
Just curious as it seems like it would bother waiting customers that have posted similar complaints over the past several months.
Post by: gasman on February 23, 2014, 09:47:54 AM
I'm still waiting for all the guys on this forum that have been told "I just have to sew your rug and it will be done" over and over again to realize that there are 16 day turnarounds happening right under their nose and delaying THEIR work. What is the priority schedule for outside work? Obviously it comes before customers that have been waiting 2+ years. Why is that? To make a quick buck since the other Joe-shmo's already handed over their $$??
Just curious as it seems like it would bother waiting customers that have posted similar complaints over the past several months.
I was thinking the same thing :dunno:
Post by: CoryTDF on February 23, 2014, 09:55:17 AM
Another job the OP subbed out
http://www.taxidermy.net/forum/index.php?topic=329651.0 (http://www.taxidermy.net/forum/index.php?topic=329651.0)
I have no feeling one way or the other but after reading this it seems to me that the guys is a decent fellow. There are so many of these MNT threads that it makes my head spin. All i know for sure is that her claims about having bad tannery are true. Cant take that from her. The communication on the other hand.......... Good luck with this to the two taxi's. I got my popcorn and am watching this unfold.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 23, 2014, 10:01:35 AM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 23, 2014, 10:06:48 AM
I'm still waiting for all the guys on this forum that have been told "I just have to sew your rug and it will be done" over and over again to realize that there are 16 day turnarounds happening right under their nose and delaying THEIR work. What is the priority schedule for outside work? Obviously it comes before customers that have been waiting 2+ years. Why is that? To make a quick buck since the other Joe-shmo's already handed over their $$??
Just curious as it seems like it would bother waiting customers that have posted similar complaints over the past several months.
There is a LOT more to doing a rug than there is just "sewing it together".
Like Split, Turning, Fleshing, and Salting the hide. Changing the salt 2x. Shipping it to the tannery. Waiting for the tannery to tan the hide and ship it back (4-7 months). Rehydrating the head. Next day preping the face, sewing and making repairs, then test fitting on a head. Ordering the head a supplies and waiting to recieve them. Assembling the head and making any modifications. Mounting the head and allowing it to dry for a week minimum. Rehydrating the body of the rug and letting sweat overnight. Next day making repairs and sewing up holes, then stretching it on the stretching table. Waiting for it to dry for a few days. Then trimming it out and dying the flanks and edges. Next day cleaning off excess dye. Cutting the felt strips, edging them, them sewing them together. Sewing the felt around the edge of the Bear, installing the batting, pinning the backing in place and then hand sewing it, then hand sewing the hangers on each foot and head. Prep the face, do appoxi work, and let the appoxi set up over night. Next day do the finish work.
Now try juggling all that X 30. Not including Shoulder Mounts, Skulls, Life Size, Tanned Hides, Paperwork, Talking and meeting with clients.
As you can see the Rugging portion is a very small part of the whole picture.
Post by: jackelope on February 23, 2014, 10:08:22 AM
I'm still waiting for all the guys on this forum that have been told "I just have to sew your rug and it will be done" over and over again to realize that there are 16 day turnarounds happening right under their nose and delaying THEIR work. What is the priority schedule for outside work? Obviously it comes before customers that have been waiting 2+ years. Why is that? To make a quick buck since the other Joe-shmo's already handed over their $$??
Just curious as it seems like it would bother waiting customers that have posted similar complaints over the past several months.
Me too.
Post by: kramer on February 23, 2014, 10:09:58 AM
Post by: Whitelightning on February 23, 2014, 10:15:44 AM
I figured this would be pages long by this morning ...it always is :dunno: how about the people who have delt with Michelle and had some taxi done by her shine the light on this ...seems like she is weeded out more than others ..I think she does a fine job ...I know it gets tougher as you get bigger ..just like anything ...have to really work hard to please everyone :twocents:
I agree, I have no complaints about her work or her communication with me. I have had work done by other taxis and have had NO communication and additional charges on the bill when I picked up. I have not had communication issues with her. I have work being done there now and will continue to send her work.
I think there is more to this story than can be told on an open forum!
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 23, 2014, 10:16:00 AM
I'm still waiting for all the guys on this forum that have been told "I just have to sew your rug and it will be done" over and over again to realize that there are 16 day turnarounds happening right under their nose and delaying THEIR work. What is the priority schedule for outside work? Obviously it comes before customers that have been waiting 2+ years. Why is that? To make a quick buck since the other Joe-shmo's already handed over their $$??
Just curious as it seems like it would bother waiting customers that have posted similar complaints over the past several months.
To make a quick buck? No. It was a favor for a friend. Is there a problem with me doing a favor for a friend? Didn't know it was against the law. Had nothing to do with making a quick buck.
Post by: Cascade on February 23, 2014, 10:21:05 AM
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Post by: dscubame on February 23, 2014, 10:46:24 AM
Whitelightening. I deleted my post if you choose to delete yours my remarks will be no longer. I should not have commented, not like me. My bad.
Post by: runamuk on February 23, 2014, 11:09:20 AM
Interesting side topic about subcontracting.:yeah:
I don't see anything wrong with knowing who and what work your primary business is subbing to but ultimately it shouldn't matter. The primary business is personally responsible for the quality of their sub'd out work.
If, heaven forbid, a Boeing A/P falls out of the sky do you think they can stand in front of their customers and the world and point the finger at their subcontracted engine manufacturer? I don't think so. Only our President does can get away with that crap! :chuckle:
I have a friend who does 'Full Service' custom auto restorations. His bill is seldom under 100K for a complete job (which is why I do my own!) but he doesn't do everything himself. He can't. Not enough equipment, room or skill. For instance he sends work out to a painter/shop for body & paint. Ya know what happens if it comes back less than perfect? It goes BACK TO THE PAINTER to fix it! Too many goofs and he just finds another painter.
When the customer finally comes to pick up his masterpiece it has to be perfect because my friend's reputation is on the line for future work. If I sent a project to him, I wouldn't feel the need to ask him who is doing the paint cuz I don't care. When I pick it up it will be perfect. Period.
Sorry for the Hyjack. Back to your regularly scheduled programming
Post by: erk444 on February 23, 2014, 11:17:41 AM
:tup:dscubame! Its frustrating to see people bashing Michelle without ever having met her or have work done by her. I haven't had any work done by her, but I've built her a fire pit and a few other brackets for her business. After meeting her, I wouldn't have a problem at all with taking my trophy to her. To me, she has always been very friendly and professional, and she has an awesome sense of humor too. I consider her a friend.This is a he said she said thing. Unfortunately Michelle's track record doesn't give her the benefit of the doubt.
Have you had work done by her?
I have! I have done my research its on my walls and in her shop!
Whitelightening. I deleted my post if you choose to delete yours my remarks will be no longer. I should not have commented, not like me. My bad.
Post by: Taco280AI on February 23, 2014, 11:22:10 AM
I want X done in Y time and Z quality. Explaining what all I want and paying for it is my business, how you get it done is your business.
Post by: Maverick on February 23, 2014, 11:48:25 AM
Post by: jackelope on February 23, 2014, 12:13:31 PM
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Post by: TheHunt on February 23, 2014, 12:14:58 PM
sounds like Alaska just needs to pay for the return shipping and this issued would be resolved.:yeah:
And he has...
Post by: Taco280AI on February 23, 2014, 12:17:19 PM
...FYI, payment was made in full to include return shipping...
says he did
Post by: jackelope on February 23, 2014, 12:21:42 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 23, 2014, 12:22:47 PM
I have already paid for 1 Lynx being shipped back to him priority mail with insurance. That was $35 out of my pocket.
I still have a second lynx and a Bear to ship up there. With Insurance.
Post by: jackelope on February 23, 2014, 12:23:41 PM
Post by: buckhorn2 on February 23, 2014, 12:25:42 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 23, 2014, 12:27:47 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on February 23, 2014, 12:29:28 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 23, 2014, 12:30:31 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 23, 2014, 12:32:42 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 23, 2014, 12:33:17 PM
He says shipping was included, you're saying it is on top of the agreed price. That's where the confusion seems to lie. Does he think those prices were shipped?
Those are my prices to Rug those animals. Shipping is extra. Nothing on my price list includes shipping. Shipping is always extra.
Post by: h20hunter on February 23, 2014, 12:35:40 PM
All of this over that?
Post by: h20hunter on February 23, 2014, 12:41:31 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 23, 2014, 12:44:23 PM
Post by: TheHunt on February 23, 2014, 12:47:48 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 23, 2014, 12:48:14 PM
They have been completed since Feb 11, 2014
Post by: h20hunter on February 23, 2014, 12:51:05 PM
Post by: mulehunter on February 23, 2014, 12:59:40 PM
:tup:
Post by: Timberstalker on February 23, 2014, 01:02:08 PM
It looks like you are holding the rugs hostage over the freight.
Post by: Timberstalker on February 23, 2014, 01:03:23 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on February 23, 2014, 01:04:51 PM
Michelle,
It looks like you are holding the rugs hostage over the freight.
Why not? If its not going to be paid why lose money on your hardwork? I for one run a business and I can't expect my vendors to ship me their product for free? Just because a miscommunication.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 23, 2014, 01:09:03 PM
Post by: gasman on February 23, 2014, 01:12:12 PM
:o. Why can't everyone leave her alone and let her go back to work. The More people bug her or push buttons on her the more time she spend online trying to defen herself. We dont know what truth on both sides who cares... but Just let her go back to work on her things. HW Drama drag her away from work. Just let it go! I love most of her projects. Keep working Michelle.
:tup:
Dont get me wrong, I got no dog in this fight, but all the threads that have poped up over the years on this subject with the same person involved. I think if she stuck to her work, answered her clients in a timely matter and got the work done like she has told others, it would not be an issue, but that's not seemly going on here.
She even openly admitted to "doing a favor for a friend" while other clients have been waiting months and maybe years for work to be completed. What ever happened to "first come, first done" :dunno:
I know if I had work with her and she admitted to that I would pull my stuff and move on, its not a good way to do business in my book :bdid:
Post by: mulehunter on February 23, 2014, 01:26:07 PM
I undy your point, Cindy did me a favor on my 500lbs Bear and she did all work on my rug thur all her another project and it doesn't bother me. I also waited for two years on my another bear that there many excuses from Shane on texts that he postpone many times to work on other client's hides but I still support him and support Cindy. I don't care as long as I get it back with good job mounting/rug etc.:o. Why can't everyone leave her alone and let her go back to work. The More people bug her or push buttons on her the more time she spend online trying to defen herself. We dont know what truth on both sides who cares... but Just let her go back to work on her things. HW Drama drag her away from work. Just let it go! I love most of her projects. Keep working Michelle.
:tup:
Dont get me wrong, I got no dog in this fight, but all the threads that have poped up over the years on this subject with the same person involved. I think if she stuck to her work, answered her clients in a timely matter and got the work done like she has told others, it would not be an issue, but that's not seemly going on here.
She even openly admitted to "doing a favor for a friend" while other clients have been waiting months and maybe years for work to be completed. What ever happened to "first come, first done" :dunno:
I know if I had work with her and she admitted to that I would pull my stuff and move on, its not a good way to do business in my book :bdid:
:tup:
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 23, 2014, 01:29:54 PM
So are you saying that if someone brings me a deer to mount and the next day someone brings me a skull than I should not do the skull until the deer is done even though the skull takes 1/2 as long just because it came in second? Do you know how much freezer space an elk skull takes up?
Or if someone brings me a life size bear one day and the next day I get an antler plaque in the guy with the antler plaque should have to wait until I complete the life size bear?
OK so I get a deer (#1) and the next day I get another deer in (#2). I am getting ready to ship a batch of hides to the tannery but cape #1 isn't dry enough but cape #2 is. I need one more cape to finnish out the box to ship. Are you saying I should put off shipping the box to the tannery and wait until cape #1 is dry? Then ship cape #2 in the next batch?
Let say I did send cape #2 in with that batch and I got it back from the tannery before cape #1. Now I am running really low on work. Should I take a day or 2 or even a week off until I get cape #1 back or is it ok for me to go ahead and mount Deer #2 since it got back first and it will keep me working. . .
Post by: PolarBear on February 23, 2014, 01:41:38 PM
:o. Why can't everyone leave her alone and let her go back to work. The More people bug her or push buttons on her the more time she spend online trying to defen herself. We dont know what truth on both sides who cares... but Just let her go back to work on her things. HW Drama drag her away from work. Just let it go! If they ask me to pay for shipping. I will be happy to pay $35 for shipping to get my rug back. What a big deal about. Anyway I love most of her projects. Keep working Michelle.:yeah:
:tup:
It seems that we have a bunch of arm chair, bandwagon goof balls on here that are instant experts in a field that they have zero idea about other than dropping off and picking up. :chuckle:
Post by: gasman on February 23, 2014, 01:56:16 PM
gasman,
So are you saying that if someone brings me a deer to mount and the next day someone brings me a skull than I should not do the skull until the deer is done even though the skull takes 1/2 as long just because it came in second? Do you know how much freezer space an elk skull takes up?
Or if someone brings me a life size bear one day and the next day I get an antler plaque in the guy with the antler plaque should have to wait until I complete the life size bear?
OK so I get a deer (#1) and the next day I get another deer in (#2). I am getting ready to ship a batch of hides to the tannery but cape #1 isn't dry enough but cape #2 is. I need one more cape to finnish out the box to ship. Are you saying I should put off shipping the box to the tannery and wait until cape #1 is dry? Then ship cape #2 in the next batch?
Let say I did send cape #2 in with that batch and I got it back from the tannery before cape #1. Now I am running really low on work. Should I take a day or 2 or even a week off until I get cape #1 back or is it ok for me to go ahead and mount Deer #2 since it got back first and it will keep me working. . .
No. I'm not saying that at all.
I know that doing smaller jobs while waiting on the tanning process to be done is part of the business, but when you put several small jobs in front of other jobs that take more time and you have a client that is waiting for lets say 1+ years for a rug and he finds out that if he brought in a smaller job that it would be put in front of his bigger job because you find it more convenient, then you get another small job and another small job and another....etc
When do I as a client get your attention on my job that was brought in over a year ago :dunno:
I want to enjoy my trophy just as much as the next guy.
When communication is an issue with clients and it seams to be (from other threads on here that have been brought up in the past) it may be some thing to look at. Making excuses and excuses for not having a clients work done or communicating with a client and they have to come here to get your attention :dunno:
I mean come on, that's not good business my any means :bash:
I have seen your work, visited your web site and yes you have lots of good work out there but, personal relationship with clients is important also. That's what brings back repeat customers and a good word of mouth being spread about your business.
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 23, 2014, 02:09:13 PM
I don't think anyone is claiming to be an expert in taxidermy. However most of us know the keys to running a small business.
It seems that we have a bunch of arm chair, bandwagon goof balls on here that are instant experts in a field that they have zero idea about other than dropping off and picking up.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 23, 2014, 02:13:40 PM
You should spend a lot more time in a taxidermy shop and learn how things work before your criticize on how things are done. Kinda like me giving advice to a doctor preforming open heart surgery.
Post by: PolarBear on February 23, 2014, 02:17:35 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 23, 2014, 02:27:57 PM
not all small businesses are equal or can be operated the same. There is some information left out on this case that none of us will never know. My point, there seems to be an awful lot of folks on here that are more than willing to crucify one party or the other without possibly knowing all of the evidence. More proof of trial by internet cowboys. I personally think that it was a d0uchebag move to for him to air his dirty laundry (and make shallow threats) on a public forum such as this. Right or wrong, this isn't the place and is really no one's business other than the 2 involved parties.Your right PB. However one can only judge a case by the evidence presented.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 23, 2014, 02:37:55 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on February 23, 2014, 02:43:58 PM
After following its obvious things were miscommunicated on both sides amd I doubt it was intentional. Let them work it out and move on. I for o e have nothing but positive experiences with michelle as she has been an outstanding source of info as I work through my own attempts at euros and other ideas I've had. And by the way I love the bag and hope to put it to use later this year. :tup:Michelle,
It looks like you are holding the rugs hostage over the freight.
Why not? If its not going to be paid why lose money on your hardwork? I for one run a business and I can't expect my vendors to ship me their product for free? Just because a miscommunication.
I'm not saying Michelle should ship it back free. Hell she can ship it COD. My point is it is in Michelle's best interest to get them out. Being Non-responsive is a bad trait.
This is why I am saying there is more to the story. Surely she has notified the customer of the issues.
I've seen multiple posts of Michelle's work and it is nothing other than amazing. I simply think she could be more aggressive in times like these and never get in this crappy situation.
Ship it COD and never deal with the guy again. It's not rocket science.
Post by: Wazukie on February 23, 2014, 02:50:43 PM
:dunno: :dunno:
Post by: Wazukie on February 23, 2014, 03:15:34 PM
Post by: erk444 on February 23, 2014, 03:29:18 PM
Your right too turkeyfeather, its ok to make a judgment by the evidence provided, but why bash on a public forum without ever having done business with someone? Having an opinion and making a decision not to do business with someone is one thing, but swarming in and posting negative things is another if you don't have direct experience. I agree with PolarBear, its really only their business.not all small businesses are equal or can be operated the same. There is some information left out on this case that none of us will never know. My point, there seems to be an awful lot of folks on here that are more than willing to crucify one party or the other without possibly knowing all of the evidence. More proof of trial by internet cowboys. I personally think that it was a d0uchebag move to for him to air his dirty laundry (and make shallow threats) on a public forum such as this. Right or wrong, this isn't the place and is really no one's business other than the 2 involved parties.Your right PB. However one can only judge a case by the evidence presented.
Post by: billythekidrock on February 23, 2014, 03:32:24 PM
I will also say this. Last night I did a google search and found not one bad review of Michelle's business, sooooo :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
I could only find one through Google and it was from this site.
Post by: Hunterman on February 23, 2014, 03:42:22 PM
Your right too turkeyfeather, its ok to make a judgment by the evidence provided, but why bash on a public forum without ever having done business with someone? Having an opinion and making a decision not to do business with someone is one thing, but swarming in and posting negative things is another if you don't have direct experience. I agree with PolarBear, its really only their business.not all small businesses are equal or can be operated the same. There is some information left out on this case that none of us will never know. My point, there seems to be an awful lot of folks on here that are more than willing to crucify one party or the other without possibly knowing all of the evidence. More proof of trial by internet cowboys. I personally think that it was a d0uchebag move to for him to air his dirty laundry (and make shallow threats) on a public forum such as this. Right or wrong, this isn't the place and is really no one's business other than the 2 involved parties.Your right PB. However one can only judge a case by the evidence presented.
A lot of money can be in play in taxi work. One needs to do their homework before a taxi is chosen. This ain't the first time something like this has been brought up. First time one might say "Oh well some body got a bugger in their oatmeal". The second time one might say "Hmmmm". But more would make the decision easily made. Buyer be ware.
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: billythekidrock on February 23, 2014, 03:44:50 PM
For whatever it is worth, here is what I think. I am amazed that this thread has even been allowed to continue. Why allow a private business transaction to be bashed out on a public forum when only to people are privy to all the information?
Always a fine line between "Notifying the public" and a "Witch hunt". I do think while these threads have some usefulness they often are allowed to fester out of control.
From my experience I will continue to use Michelle's services. However, due to these type of threads I know one thing for certain...I never want to become a taxidermist :yike:
It is a lose-lose situation for us.
Lock or delete a thread and we are protecting someone. Leave it up and they go south.
We discuss these types of threads, sometimes at great lengths, in the moderator or admin boards. If there is evidence that suggests a thread is started with malicious intent we will lock or delete it.
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 23, 2014, 03:55:27 PM
I haven't bashed on anyone. :dunno:Your right too turkeyfeather, its ok to make a judgment by the evidence provided, but why bash on a public forum without ever having done business with someone? Having an opinion and making a decision not to do business with someone is one thing, but swarming in and posting negative things is another if you don't have direct experience. I agree with PolarBear, its really only their business.not all small businesses are equal or can be operated the same. There is some information left out on this case that none of us will never know. My point, there seems to be an awful lot of folks on here that are more than willing to crucify one party or the other without possibly knowing all of the evidence. More proof of trial by internet cowboys. I personally think that it was a d0uchebag move to for him to air his dirty laundry (and make shallow threats) on a public forum such as this. Right or wrong, this isn't the place and is really no one's business other than the 2 involved parties.Your right PB. However one can only judge a case by the evidence presented.
Post by: erk444 on February 23, 2014, 04:05:34 PM
I didn't mean you. Im sorry if it sounded that way. I just meant bashing without experience in general. There is a few on this thread, and many others on the other threads that have not done business with Michelle, yet still post negative things. Again, Im sorry. :sry:I haven't bashed on anyone. :dunno:Your right too turkeyfeather, its ok to make a judgment by the evidence provided, but why bash on a public forum without ever having done business with someone? Having an opinion and making a decision not to do business with someone is one thing, but swarming in and posting negative things is another if you don't have direct experience. I agree with PolarBear, its really only their business.not all small businesses are equal or can be operated the same. There is some information left out on this case that none of us will never know. My point, there seems to be an awful lot of folks on here that are more than willing to crucify one party or the other without possibly knowing all of the evidence. More proof of trial by internet cowboys. I personally think that it was a d0uchebag move to for him to air his dirty laundry (and make shallow threats) on a public forum such as this. Right or wrong, this isn't the place and is really no one's business other than the 2 involved parties.Your right PB. However one can only judge a case by the evidence presented.
Post by: Spuddieselwwu on February 23, 2014, 06:07:37 PM
Michele, have you thought about hiring an admin for 10hrs a week to do some of the paperwork/follow up with clients/status reporting. Even a high schooler could help. 150 bucks a week will solve a lot of the headaches. Post a few pics on your fb of progress/tag the client in it, or even just a simple email to the client with a pic of the work, a kid or intern can do that for cheap. Just my :twocents:! Good luck, Michelle.
Post by: Bean Counter on February 23, 2014, 06:08:50 PM
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Always a fine line between "Notifying the public" and a "Witch hunt". I do think while these threads have some usefulness they often are allowed to fester out of control.
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Its not just about taxidermy. it can be about anything. Things turn into a mob mentality on a forum and people with no direct experience are just spouting off opinions. Think snowball effect. I've done it once or twice in the past but have largely tried to mind my own business as of late :sry:
Post by: 180-GRAIN on February 23, 2014, 08:35:19 PM
Post by: Hoyt_Alaska on February 23, 2014, 08:55:45 PM
You think after sending almost 600 bucks and get excuse after excuse, lie after lie I'm stupid enough to send more money before my stuff is done as said so. ? I call BS.
I was layed over in Seattle 2 weeks ago for 16 hours. I could have rented a car and went and picked the crap up myself, but no, I can assure you it will be on your doorstep when you get home. Meaning it was going to be shipped before this whole nonsense about owing shipping money came to light.
Her telling me it will be their was a stall tactic do I just didn't pop in and show up. I dam sure wish I had now.
If the warden don't police my stuff up tomorrow and I don't have a tracking number of shipping by we'd, you can be till be flying to Portland and knocking on someone's door.
Sorry for any typos, I'm finger pecking on my iPhone. Just got back from a day of ptarmigan hunting.
Post by: Hoyt_Alaska on February 23, 2014, 08:59:59 PM
All my rugs have been sent out to other wholesale ruggers. Roughly 50 a year if you must know. And yes, my customers know that. Didn't know my business what in question. Then again number 1 fans like to flip it around. You must be a democrat
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 23, 2014, 09:04:38 PM
He says I haven't been communicating and that he needs to track me down.
FACEBOOK;
December: 5th, 11th, 18th, 19th, 21st, 22,nd, 23rd, 26th, 27th, and 31st.
January: 1st, 2nd, 13th, 14th, 21st, 27th, 28th, 29th, 30th.
February: He was gone to Vegas for like 5 days. 13th, 14th.
Text Messages;
December: 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 15th, 17th, 23rd, 24th
January: 0
Feb: 14th
These are all the dates by facebook and Text Message in which we talked. They are saved and unaltered.
In February he and his wife went to Vegas. On the 14th he started threatening to call the cops because I didn't respond to a couple Facebook messages he sent me the 13th. I went to bed early on the 13th because I didn't feel good. I woke up puking. On the 14th he was nasty to me in Texts demanding I pick up the phone. He tried calling once and texted me a couple times I was asleep and never heard my phone go off.
I responded to his text at 11am and told him I was sick. He demanded I pickup the phone. So I did and we talked for like 2 minutes. I told him they were done and that I would "Try" to get them out Thursday and that I was really sick.
On Thursday he text me around 3pm asking for a tracking number. I told him I was trying to get out the door to ship them. Thats when he started in with threats of lawyers, and F&G, and friends from JBLM, etc. Thats when I quit talking to him on the phone. That was the 20th.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 23, 2014, 09:10:03 PM
2/14/2014 TEXT MESSAGES
Jesse Dahlberg 9:13 am: Give me a call today if you can, I have a 12 year old girl wanting to know when her lynx is going to be done. If you have issues, just let me know, ignoring my texts and messages isn't helping you.
ME 10:57 am: Sick
ME 10:57 am: Throwing up
Jesse Dahlberg 10:58 am: Why do I have to get sheriff involved for you to reply. I thought we were friends.
ME 10:59 am: ?
Jesse Dahlberg 10:59 am: You get my Facebook message, your not answering your phone, etc.
Jesse Dahlberg 11:00 am: You said the rugs would be on my door when I get back from Vegas.
Jesse Dahlberg 11:00 am: I test you Monday. It's now friday.
Jesse Dahlberg 11:02 am: seriously whats up. If you can't do them. Don't waste my time. Send em back, wwith a check -$175 for the Lynx you did. I have a buisness to run. You can understand my perspective
ME 11:02 am: Didn't see it. Not ignoring
Jesse Dahlberg 11:03 am: I see your on Facebook. I called. Texted. Come on, I'm not retarded.
Jesse Dahlberg 11:04 am: I need a no *censored* status on the Bear and Cat I sent you.
ME 11:14 am: Not retarded
ME 11:16 am: Really sick. Not joking.
Jesse Dahlberg 11:17 am: Answer your phone
2/20/2014 TEXT MESSAGES
Jesse Dahlberg 2:07 pm: Can you message me the Tracking Number?
ME 4:12 pm: Will do. Trying to get out of here to ship them out.
Jesse Dahlberg 4:12 pm: They better go out today. I do 50 bears a year on average the last 5 years. These were a trial as I am looking for a trustworthy and reputable ruger. You have lost my trust and my business. If not shipped NLT today. You have lost my friendship as well. I have a business to run.
2/21/2014 TEXT MESSAGES
Jesse Dahlberg 6:08 pm: Waiting on a tracking number. Do I need to send some friends from FT. Lewis down to pick up my stuff. May want to check your Facebook messages.
Jesse Dahlberg 6:09 pm: And a Lawyer.
Jesse Dahlberg 6:09 pm: Wow, you have quite the track record on hunting Washington forum. Lots of unhappy folks, the walls seam to be closing in on you.
2/22/2014 TEXT MESSAGES
Jesse Dahlberg 6:47 pm: You ever plan on returning my calls or texts, looking at the Washington hunting forums I see you have the same history.. I took out friendship for granted and wished I had done some research on you. If I google Michelle Nelson Rugging. Over 50 negative dealings appear. Thats quite the track record. I am going to destroy what buisness you have left if you don't right this situation like right now. Your fish and wildlife, police and sherif I. Rochester, WA will be paying you a visit shortly to collect my animals. Not only are you screwing me over, you are screwing my customers over. Seriously. I'd give me a call if I was you.
Jesse Dahlberg 8:41 pm: Your a dumb ass, you send me my hides. I'll cover the shipping. If not your fish and game will be collecting them first thing Monday morning. sgt Alexander is his name. I suggest you call me to clear this up. It's only going to get worst when I post your tests. Lies. Deceit on the forum. AK Forum and Taxi.net. You screwed the wrong guy this time.
February 13, 2014 FACEBOOK
2/13, 3:03pm Jesse Dahlberg: You still alive down their?
2/13, 11:36pm Jesse Dahlberg: Hey, no answer is starting to get me worried? Do I need to be worrying?
February 14, 2014 FACEBOOK
2/14, 9:46am Jesse Dahlberg: I see your online, you going to respond?
2/14, 10:20am Jesse Dahlberg: ?
2/14, 10:52am Jesse Dahlberg: Ill give ya ytill 1200 Alaska time to contact me, if not ill be contacting your fish and game and local sherrif in Rochester to swing by and pick up my stuff for me. the sherrifs number is 360-273-1034 I really dont want it to come to this, Seriously, but you ignoring my messages and throwing dates out that it would be done is unexcusable. If I should have to get the sherrif involved, It wont end their, I will recoupe my money back -175.00 that you did on the Lynx. I now have 0951. I see your back on now so you should get this message in time. :)
2/14, 4:15pm Michelle Nelson: Damn. I never read your messages on here. I was asleep when you sent most of them. I don't know why it said I was online. Havnt been in bathroom for an hour. I might live.
February 21, 2014 FACEBOOK
2/21, 1:38pm Jesse Dahlberg: I shipped you the bears on 7 Nov, you received them 11 Nov, had no problems going to the bank the same day to cash my check and spend the money for the holidays. But now cant seem to make it to the post office. thats a *censored*ty way to do business. even *censored*tier way to cross your friend. Since you have time to *censored* around on Facebook.. I need these rugs, I dont care what condition they are in, but I need em now. Your local sherrif in Rochester, WA. and my lawyer will be contacting you shortly.
Sorry it has come to this, but your excuses are unacceptable. T net, the forum and every forum you every were a part of will know your business if these rugs are unsatisfactory. Along with a 200 word add Im Typing to run in your local newspaper of my dealings with you. You underestimated me and took our friendship for granted. this can not be un done.
Have a great day.
February 22, 2014 FACEBOOK
8:47pm Michelle Nelson: First of all you have done nothing but send me threat after threat after threat. I do not and will not respond to someone who is threatening me, PERIOD! Your Rugs were completed on Feb 11th, 2014. Which is a Tuesday, I did not have a box large enough to accommodate both rugs. I had to go to town and get one or two that I could put together to make one big enough.
2/22, 8:55pm Michelle Nelson: On the evening of the 13th I went to bed early because I was nauseated. I woke up early on the 14th puking and *censored*ting my guts out. That lasted for 3 days. On the 14th you sent me a threatening message on facebook and were nasty to me in text messages. I still called you because you thought I was lying and ignoring your messages. Which I hadn't even seen. Except for the one at 3:30 on the 13th.
2/22, 8:58pm Michelle Nelson: I told you on the phone I would "TRY" and get them mailed off Thursday. I didn't even get out of bed until Monday and that was to the couch because I was tired of being in bed.
I was still wobbly and dizzy if I stood up to fast on Tuesday. I still had to get a box to ship your rugs. I got the Box made Thursday and was planning on getting them shipped that day but had a customer stop by wanting to go over the details of a mount he was having done.
You out right lied on Hunting Washington. Said that you had given me money for the shipping. Thats BS.
You have also sent me nothing but threatening Texts, and Messages on here for the last week.
2/22, 9:35pm Jesse Dahlberg: What do I owe you for shipping. Calling the law and telling you isn't threatening. I've yet to make a verbal or physical threat to you. Trust me. All I want is my stuff. I'm sorry if your sick. Ship my bears. With a tracking number and I'll PayPal you the shipping. That fair.
2/22, 9:39pm Jesse Dahlberg: I have all my messages to you. Trust me. I have covered my bases and haven't crossed any lines. Sgt Alexander has a copy of those messages and will be forwarded these. You took our friendship for granted. Also saying the bears would be in my door when I get back from Vegas was a stall tactic. I had a 8 hour layover and could have got a car and picked up the bears. My aunt lives in puywallup, and I have dozens of friends who live on base ft. Lewis that will gladly pick it up and ship it to me.
2/22, 9:40pm Jesse Dahlberg: Against, give me a call so we can work this out. You have my number.
2/22, 9:54pm Michelle Nelson: I really do not wish or feel we have anything to talk about. I'd call and all your going to do is be an ass. I have no problem talking through issues that people might have like adults and friends would but once threats are made there really isn't anything to talk about.
You should have your rugs next week. Per UPS.
2/22, 10:14pm Jesse Dahlberg: Send me a tracking number , and what I owe you for shipping
2/22, 10:15pm Jesse Dahlberg: Was I a ass to you Saturday. As a business owner avoiding calls because of circumstances YOU put yourself in is no excuse. Were no longer friends. This is business to business. Like if the car dealership screwed you over, would you like it if they never answered their phone? Put yourself in my position and you will see why I am disappointed.
2/22, 10:17pm Michelle Nelson: How did I screw you over? You needed that lynx done by christmas and you got it. Then you didn't even finnish it out til after christmas.
2/22, 10:21pm Michelle Nelson: We talked repeatedly over the last 6 weeks and you never gave me an inclination you felt like you were getting screwed. Up until the 14th when you started sending me nasty messages because you thought I was ignoring you when in fact I was sick. I never promised that those rugs would ship Thursday. I told you I would "TRY" and get them out Thursday. Your telling me that your other Rugger in WA never charged you return shipping?
Seen 11:17pm
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 23, 2014, 09:19:13 PM
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February 21, 2014 FACEBOOK
2/21, 1:38pm Jesse Dahlberg: I shipped you the bears on 7 Nov, you received them 11 Nov, had no problems going to the bank the same day to cash my check and spend the money for the holidays. But now cant seem to make it to the post office. thats a *censored*ty way to do business. even *censored*tier way to cross your friend. Since you have time to *censored* around on Facebook.. I need these rugs, I dont care what condition they are in, but I need em now. Your local sherrif in Rochester, WA. and my lawyer will be contacting you shortly.
Sorry it has come to this, but your excuses are unacceptable. T net, the forum and every forum you every were a part of will know your business if these rugs are unsatisfactory. Along with a 200 word add Im Typing to run in your local newspaper of my dealings with you. You underestimated me and took our friendship for granted. this can not be un done.
Have a great day.
Post by: stevemiller on February 23, 2014, 09:20:24 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 23, 2014, 09:25:52 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 23, 2014, 09:31:24 PM
For future reference for Michehelle as a business person as well. If time is short push dates out to customers or give them a specific date product will be complete. Make sure you give yourself room to meet those dates. Always make sure you hit them or deliver goods early. If you could do that along with the quality of work we have seen you do, you would have great reviews.
Every time I read a grip is due to long lead times or uncertainty of when an item might be delivered. A drop dead date is peace of mind for most customers and they are for the most part very happy with that knowledge. If missed, it becomes a customer disappointment.
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 23, 2014, 09:40:18 PM
Michelle, just make sure it makes it on the day that is promised going forward.
Jesse will cover the shipping costs like he said he would. Shake hands and go your ways.
As interesting as this might be during the off season, no more poking each other with sticks.
Take care of it as professionals!!!! :tup:
Post by: Hoyt_Alaska on February 23, 2014, 09:42:22 PM
Playing on Facebook, here, and t net yet not answering a phone. Text or email due to sickness is a poor excuse. It's a stall tactic, for what? I'm not sure but I'm getting to the bottom if it.
Sorry miller. That was below the belt. Just not sure with her reputation in here. And elsewhere..their is a distinct pattern since 2007. 56 pages of negative reviews towards this person and her "business" practices. I snapped when you question my business practices, ethics or values. Coming on this forum which I found by searching her name in the yahoo search, not google, my bad.,
If some of you folks can't see how deceitful or manipulative this broad is I'm sorry..her work was never "questioned" , her dishonesty. Deceitful demeanor was. Refer back to my origional post..
H20, the suspense dates have came and went a half dozen times already. All she has to do is " ship it" COD, I don't care.
The miss can lock the tread..this is my last post..
Post by: jay.sharkbait on February 23, 2014, 10:08:04 PM
Thanks jackslope and h20 fowler,
Playing on Facebook, here, and t net yet not answering a phone. Text or email due to sickness is a poor excuse. It's a stall tactic, for what? I'm not sure but I'm getting to the bottom if it.
Sorry miller. That was below the belt. Just not sure with her reputation in here. And elsewhere..their is a distinct pattern since 2007. 56 pages of negative reviews towards this person and her "business" practices. I snapped when you question my business practices, ethics or values. Coming on this forum which I found by searching her name in the yahoo search, not google, my bad.,
If some of you folks can't see how deceitful or manipulative this broad is I'm sorry..her work was never "questioned" , her dishonesty. Deceitful demeanor was. Refer back to my origional post..
H20, the suspense dates have came and went a half dozen times already. All she has to do is " ship it" COD, I don't care.
The miss can lock the tread..this is my last post..
"broad" Really? Who uses that term anymore?
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 23, 2014, 10:11:57 PM
You have not sent me any E-mails. Everything has been either through Text, Facebook, or Phone. Not answering the Phone, Texts. The only time I quit responding to your Calls and Texts was after you started threatening me and said Lawyer. After that you will not talk to me on the phone. Everything will be through message so I can document it.
Why shouldn't the members question your business practices and standards? They don't know you and more than likely have never heard of you. Yet you want them only to question mine.
Ohh you mean your first Post where you claimed you needed to track me down? Right after I just got done posting all the dates we talked?
Where you claimed "payment was made in full to include return shipping". Knowing full well that was a lie. How many ruggers have you used? I know of atleast 3. If some are curious you can go to Taxidermy.net and look at the list of wholesale ruggers randomly call a few and ask if shipping is included in the price of the piece or if it is additional. I guarantee it is aditional. Alaska_Hoyt knows that. He has worked with enough ruggers. Yes, we also did talk about it. You can bet your butt this box will be shipped C.O.D.
Post by: stevemiller on February 23, 2014, 10:18:07 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 23, 2014, 10:35:50 PM
Post by: Dan-o on February 23, 2014, 10:57:30 PM
I am never using Michelle.................. unless I get a bear.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 23, 2014, 11:04:57 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 23, 2014, 11:07:31 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 23, 2014, 11:10:17 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 23, 2014, 11:14:02 PM
The reason it isn't locked is because there are members on this site that feel it is "protecting" me. I don't care if it stays open or not.Seems to me there have been several other threads that have been locked recently that were no worse than this. :dunno:
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 23, 2014, 11:20:43 PM
The reason it isn't locked is because there are members on this site that feel it is "protecting" me. I don't care if it stays open or not.Seems to me there have been several other threads that have been locked recently that were no worse than this. :dunno:
They weren't about me. People were complaining to Dale that the mods were "protecting" me by locking threads.
Post by: billythekidrock on February 24, 2014, 05:40:54 AM
The reason it isn't locked is because there are members on this site that feel it is "protecting" me. I don't care if it stays open or not.
Don't forget that you have asked some of us not to lock threads about you as well.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 24, 2014, 06:41:05 AM
The reason it isn't locked is because there are members on this site that feel it is "protecting" me. I don't care if it stays open or not.
Don't forget that you have asked some of us not to lock threads about you as well.
Agreed. I did ask the mods not to lock threads. So as not to make it appear as if the mods or admin were protecting me. Not that they were or have been. Tho there have been a few members making accusations that they have.
Post by: Taco280AI on February 24, 2014, 06:44:34 AM
Just own up to it and say I messed up! Nobody has ever questioned your work that I've seen, but both parties involved are acting like little kids, not in any way professional.
Have seen all I need to see, excellent work or not by both Taxis - will never get a $ (or recommendation) of mine.
And if I ever click on another Michelle topic - please someone slap me :chuckle:
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 24, 2014, 06:51:53 AM
He knew full well that he was to pay return shipping.
Post by: TheHunt on February 24, 2014, 07:03:07 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 24, 2014, 07:13:12 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on February 24, 2014, 07:15:38 AM
Michelle Nelson is a stand up taxi that does good work but doesn't take crap from anyone. Sounds like the OP pinhead needs to pay the shipping and stop trying to defame other taxidermists.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 24, 2014, 07:21:45 AM
I would like to leave it open. I want a response that he got them and they are of good quality.
As soon as I am done eating and shower I will pull both Rugs out of the box and get pictures of the quality and post them.
Post by: wildweeds on February 24, 2014, 07:42:18 AM
I waited 3 years for a Bobcat once................best Bobcat mount I have. :tup:
Post by: bullcanyon on February 24, 2014, 09:53:00 AM
Jesse Dahlberg 2:07 pm: Can you message me the Tracking Number?
ME 4:12 pm: Will do. Trying to get out of here to ship them out.
Does anything else need to be said? Looks like you were going to have no issue shipping them on this day. No mention of shipping charges.
Thinking there is a reason we see a pattern. I hope you are able to fix your issues. Sounds like you do great work, but lack of consistency with ALL clientele needs work. Best of luck to you.
Post by: Gringo31 on February 24, 2014, 10:07:56 AM
I'm more interested on how people decide to resolve and move on from here. I get that crap can happen etc. but how to adapt and improve is all part of the walk we all must walk if we are to be successful. I hope this is fixed with a easy shipment and that everyone has learned "something" (whatever that is) so the chances of any of this repeating are diminished. :twocents:
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 24, 2014, 10:12:38 AM
Post by: bearpaw on February 24, 2014, 10:51:12 AM
For myself when I want to know more about a product or service I read online reviews. You always have to sort through the positive and negative reviews posted by many different people, but you can usually get an idea if the product or service is something you might want to try or something to avoid after reading reviews. I also think reviews give companies valuable insight for possible improvements to their product or service.
I would suggest that if members who have no actual experience with the product or service would refrain from posting their opinions and conjecture, it would be easier to get a clearer view of the comments by members who have actual experience with the product or service.
I would also suggest that both parties involved in a negative review use the opportunity to settle the dispute in a friendly and professional manner. In the end that will benefit both parties.
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 24, 2014, 10:58:10 AM
I waited 3 years for a Bobcat once................best Bobcat mount I have. :tup:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahah!
Post by: Alchase on February 24, 2014, 12:10:13 PM
I waited 3 years for a Bobcat once................best Bobcat mount I have. :tup:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahah!
Um, it would not happen to be the "only" one would it :dunno:
:chuckle:
Post by: MtnMuley on February 24, 2014, 12:13:03 PM
I waited 3 years for a Bobcat once................best Bobcat mount I have. :tup:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahah!
Um, it would not happen to be the "only" one would it :dunno:
:chuckle:
....I'm thinking we need to see a picture of it to prove it's even true.......... :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: Band on February 24, 2014, 01:14:32 PM
Michelle, I am going to be very straight forward in telling you that you are the problem. Your promises quite obviously go unfulfilled time and time again. Your responses to customers historically are essentially unresponsive and replete with excuses. The customer knows you have the upper hand in your business interactions because you are in possession on their highly prized trophy but you are often a black hole with that trophy. They are cordial in your interactions for as long as they can stand it, but eventually everyone gets fed up with unresponsiveness and they usually end up being belligerent and threatening. And as soon as it gets to that point you back off and rhetorically ask them why you should respond to them when they are being a jerk or threatening you. Quite simply, it is time to grow up and do the following from this day forward:
1. Give realistic timelines
2. Meet or beat those timelines
3. Avoid giving excuses like the plague
I have met you an I think you are a very nice person, but I am asking you to please stop the madness! Rather than spending what surely amounts to hours and hours of wasted time continuing this fight with your customer please simply post the following:
Michelle: Hoyt, I am sorry that we have come to loggerheads and I believe it is time to settle our business. Your taxidermy work is complete and will cost $X to ship. Please send me a check with that amount and I will send the work back to you via X carrier before the end of the next business day after I receive your check. I will communicate the tracking number via e-mail the day your work it sent.
And then please follow through with what you said - to the letter, no excuses.
Hoyt, your frustration is understandable, but it is time to put an end to this. if Michelle communicates to you as shown above please be cordial, professional, and responsive so you can get the taxidermy back and fulfill your responsibility to your customers.
Post by: HUNT-HARD on February 24, 2014, 03:23:28 PM
I can honestly say after reading a few posts on this site that I would never send a animal to her shop. It's said to say because I'm sure she is a wonderful person and does great work but for me it wouldn't be worth the battle that from the sounds of it could happen.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 24, 2014, 04:04:09 PM
I waited 3 years for a Bobcat once................best Bobcat mount I have. :tup:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahah!
Not to jack the thread, but well worth it.........
Post by: MtnMuley on February 24, 2014, 04:07:03 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 24, 2014, 04:14:32 PM
Alright, you're off the hook, MEAT :chuckle:
Good, I was sweating that one out !
Post by: bearpaw on February 24, 2014, 04:25:05 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 24, 2014, 04:26:09 PM
Alright, you're off the hook, MEAT :chuckle:
Good, I was sweating that one out !
Gotcha. I was picturing the other one :chuckle:
Sweet mount.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 24, 2014, 04:27:45 PM
Sounds like another troll to me.
Dahlberg's Taxidermy 459 North Angus Loop ... (907)315-4432.
https://www.facebook.com/dahlbergstaxidermy (https://www.facebook.com/dahlbergstaxidermy)
There is a good possibility this is legit.
Maybe one of the mods can see if the IP leads to a provider in AK?
His work looks impeccable. It's also nice to see a taxidermist who makes an effort to keep things on schedule.
Post by: Rainier10 on February 24, 2014, 06:22:05 PM
Wow, I have read all 8 pages and can't believe that at 6:20pm we are still waiting on breakfast to see photos and price for shipping.I would like to leave it open. I want a response that he got them and they are of good quality.
As soon as I am done eating and shower I will pull both Rugs out of the box and get pictures of the quality and post them.
After reading it all I am not impressed with the OP or Michelle, when you throw mud you are going to get some on yourself and nobody looks good. This thread is a great example of how to not handle things from either position.
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 24, 2014, 06:33:37 PM
This seems to be SOP. It really is to bad, I hate watching someone implode. :(Wow, I have read all 8 pages and can't believe that at 6:20pm we are still waiting on breakfast to see photos and price for shipping.I would like to leave it open. I want a response that he got them and they are of good quality.
As soon as I am done eating and shower I will pull both Rugs out of the box and get pictures of the quality and post them.
Post by: jackelope on February 24, 2014, 06:50:03 PM
Post by: Fowlweather25 on February 24, 2014, 07:00:47 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on February 24, 2014, 07:01:59 PM
Hopefully she decided to not take them out of the box and continue moving forward with the shipping process. Maintaining forward progress is the goal at this point.That is actually great advice hopefully she does get it shipped and each party can move on.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 24, 2014, 07:12:27 PM
Nice looking bobcat, did Michelle do it?
No. A self taught guy in Colville. It cost me $80 for the form and that was it............lucky me. :tup: He wanted to buy it for $600 for his shop. He's on Oak Street if you know who I mean.
Post by: gasman on February 24, 2014, 07:14:27 PM
Nice looking bobcat, did Michelle do it?
No. A self taught guy in Colville. It cost me $80 for the form and that was it............lucky me. :tup: He wanted to buy it for $600 for his shop. He's on Oak Street if you know who I mean.
Hey MEAT, there is one big issue with you bobcat mount :yike:
Its Not on MY Wall :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 24, 2014, 07:28:20 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 24, 2014, 08:01:32 PM
My intentions were to just ship the box. Until I saw how much the price had gone up.
So do you guys still think
FYI, payment was made in full to include return shipping.
Like I said we agreed on $350 for to Rug 2 Lynx and $230 to Rug 1 Bear. He sent me a check for $580. Which I posted a picture of.
I have already spent $35 out of my pocket to ship him his first Lynx back in December. So I guess I was supposed to fork out another min $65 for the other 2 Rugs. Thats $100!
So I guess Hoyt_Alaska can make his choice.
USPS Regular Mail for $65.48. It will arrive in 9 days.
USPS Priority Mail for $148.35. It will arrive in 3 days.
UPS Ground for $242.11. It will take 7 days.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi126.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp115%2Fmichellestaxidermy%2F20140224_183106_zps67700264.jpg&hash=d447ff493ed0776810d21cdf25622e1f734689b3) (http://s126.photobucket.com/user/michellestaxidermy/media/20140224_183106_zps67700264.jpg.html)
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 24, 2014, 08:05:11 PM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on February 24, 2014, 08:06:15 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 24, 2014, 08:23:14 PM
Post by: jrebel on February 24, 2014, 08:29:13 PM
You went all the way there and didn't ship it? Something tells me he woulda been fine with the $65 option.
:yeah: :yeah:
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 24, 2014, 08:30:06 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 24, 2014, 08:37:51 PM
Jesse Dahlberg 11/26, 2:47pm: Ill try and get em boxed up tonight and shiped off tomorrow. I did a Lip cast bear, small 5 footer, you want to rug that too. Ill jsut send ya a check for all 3
Michelle Nelson 11/26, 4:44pm: Yeah I can do that one to for ya. What's your e-mail address?
Jesse Dahlberg 11/26, 4:51pm: Duck_on@yahoo.com underscore between the duck and the on. shoot me a total.. 2 Lynx, at 175 ea.. 350.. plus a bear.. you think 200? A check for 550 work?
Michelle Nelson 11/26, 5:05pm: I'm not sure what the Bear will be til after I stretch it.
Jesse Dahlberg 11/26, 5:05pm: 5 foot max.. probably 4' 10". 4 3/4 NE, lips cast bear..
Michelle Nelson 11/26, 5:07pm: I'm $46 LF on Rugs. That includes hangers.
Jesse Dahlberg 11/26, 5:07pm: 46 x 5, lets say 250
Michelle Nelson 11/26, 5:08pm: OK.
Michelle Nelson 11/26, 5:11pm: $580 Total. $175 each for the lynx, $230 for the Bear.
Jesse Dahlberg 11/26, 5:11pm: ok
Michelle Nelson 11/26, 5:11pm: Got tag info on Bear?
Jesse Dahlberg 11/26, 5:13pm: Im sure it has a seal on it, customers name is in sharlip written on the back by the tail on the tanned side of the hide.
Michelle Nelson 11/26, 5:15pm: Ill call you when I get out of the doctors office.
Jesse Dahlberg 11/26, 5:15pm: Ill be headed home in 45
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 24, 2014, 08:41:37 PM
I was told by both of the UPS Store owners that I could NOT ship that box COD to AK.
Post by: bobcat on February 24, 2014, 08:44:40 PM
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2/22, 9:35pm Jesse Dahlberg: What do I owe you for shipping. Calling the law and telling you isn't threatening. I've yet to make a verbal or physical threat to you. Trust me. All I want is my stuff. I'm sorry if your sick. Ship my bears. With a tracking number and I'll PayPal you the shipping. That fair.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 24, 2014, 08:46:44 PM
Post by: longwalker on February 24, 2014, 08:49:17 PM
Post by: bullcanyon on February 24, 2014, 08:49:23 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 24, 2014, 08:50:39 PM
I do not use PayPal. I am not going to create an account
How's he going to get the money to you then? Maybe you can ship it and trust him to send a check for the amount?
Or, if you want you can have him paypal it to my account and I'll drop the cash off at your place tomorrow. Let me know if you want my paypal info.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 24, 2014, 08:55:59 PM
Michelle Nelson 11/26, 5:15pm: Ill call you when I get out of the doctors office.
Jesse Dahlberg 11/26, 5:15pm: Ill be headed home in 45
This is when it was discussed.
It was discussed again right after I mailed him back his first Lynx in December.
I told him that as soon as I had a shipping quote for the second box he could send me shipping for both.
FYI, payment was made in full to include return shipping.
He has known ALL ALONG that he was responsible for return shipping. He lied when he said he had already paid for it. How?
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 24, 2014, 09:10:37 PM
Post by: stevemiller on February 24, 2014, 09:22:30 PM
Post by: Band on February 24, 2014, 09:24:50 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 24, 2014, 09:41:04 PM
If that is the case then you are still in the wrong cause you never gave him a quote for the second box. Your complaining that he never paid you and by your own admission you have never givin him a price to pay you. WOW :bash:
Michelle Nelson 11/26, 5:15pm: Ill call you when I get out of the doctors office.
Jesse Dahlberg 11/26, 5:15pm: Ill be headed home in 45
This is when it was discussed.
It was discussed again right after I mailed him back his first Lynx in December.
I told him that as soon as I had a shipping quote for the second box he could send me shipping for both.
FYI, payment was made in full to include return shipping.
He has known ALL ALONG that he was responsible for return shipping. He lied when he said he had already paid for it. How?
Post by: JLS on February 24, 2014, 09:47:12 PM
Good Lord, this is just like trying not to look at a train wreck. Literally or figuratively.
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 24, 2014, 09:48:53 PM
I can't figure out why she told him to not bother coming over to pick them up when he was in Washington, but told him they would be on his doorstep when he got home :dunno:My guess is cause that weren't actually done as stated.
Good Lord, this is just like trying not to look at a train wreck. Literally or figuratively.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 24, 2014, 09:51:51 PM
If that is the case then you are still in the wrong cause you never gave him a quote for the second box. Your complaining that he never paid you and by your own admission you have never givin him a price to pay you. WOW :bash:
Michelle Nelson 11/26, 5:15pm: Ill call you when I get out of the doctors office.
Jesse Dahlberg 11/26, 5:15pm: Ill be headed home in 45
This is when it was discussed.
It was discussed again right after I mailed him back his first Lynx in December.
I told him that as soon as I had a shipping quote for the second box he could send me shipping for both.
FYI, payment was made in full to include return shipping.
He has known ALL ALONG that he was responsible for return shipping. He lied when he said he had already paid for it. How?
Actually Turkeyfeather you are wrong. I shipped the first box to him on my own dime. I had plans that this second box was going to be shipped on my dime. Once I shipped the box I would know how much he owed me. I could send him a message with the total and then he could send me a check.
Things changed once HE started with the threats and telling me we were not friends any more. How was I supposed to trust him to follow through after that? If he didn't. . . .I was out a minimum $100
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 24, 2014, 09:55:27 PM
I can't figure out why she told him to not bother coming over to pick them up when he was in Washington, but told him they would be on his doorstep when he got home :dunno:
I NEVER told him not to bother coming over to pick them up when he was in Washington. Where did you get that from?
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 24, 2014, 09:56:06 PM
I don't think his integrity is in question here. :twocents:If that is the case then you are still in the wrong cause you never gave him a quote for the second box. Your complaining that he never paid you and by your own admission you have never givin him a price to pay you. WOW :bash:
Michelle Nelson 11/26, 5:15pm: Ill call you when I get out of the doctors office.
Jesse Dahlberg 11/26, 5:15pm: Ill be headed home in 45
This is when it was discussed.
It was discussed again right after I mailed him back his first Lynx in December.
I told him that as soon as I had a shipping quote for the second box he could send me shipping for both.
FYI, payment was made in full to include return shipping.
He has known ALL ALONG that he was responsible for return shipping. He lied when he said he had already paid for it. How?
Actually Turkeyfeather you are wrong. I shipped the first box to him on my own dime. I had plans that this second box was going to be shipped on my dime. Once I shipped the box I would know how much he owed me. I could send him a message with the total and then he could send me a check.
Things changed once HE started with the threats and telling me we were not friends any more. How was I supposed to trust him to follow through after that? If he didn't. . . .I was out a minimum $100
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 24, 2014, 10:00:52 PM
Post by: JLS on February 24, 2014, 10:02:17 PM
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I was layed over in Seattle 2 weeks ago for 16 hours. I could have rented a car and went and picked the crap up myself, but no, I can assure you it will be on your doorstep when you get home. Meaning it was going to be shipped before this whole nonsense about owing shipping money came to light.
Her telling me it will be their was a stall tactic do I just didn't pop in and show up. I dam sure wish I had now.
If the warden don't police my stuff up tomorrow and I don't have a tracking number of shipping by we'd, you can be till be flying to Portland and knocking on someone's door.
Post by: DRENALINJUNKIE on February 24, 2014, 10:02:24 PM
Post by: losdaddy7 on February 24, 2014, 10:10:05 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 24, 2014, 10:16:02 PM
I don't think his integrity is in question here. :twocents:If that is the case then you are still in the wrong cause you never gave him a quote for the second box. Your complaining that he never paid you and by your own admission you have never givin him a price to pay you. WOW :bash:
Michelle Nelson 11/26, 5:15pm: Ill call you when I get out of the doctors office.
Jesse Dahlberg 11/26, 5:15pm: Ill be headed home in 45
This is when it was discussed.
It was discussed again right after I mailed him back his first Lynx in December.
I told him that as soon as I had a shipping quote for the second box he could send me shipping for both.
FYI, payment was made in full to include return shipping.
He has known ALL ALONG that he was responsible for return shipping. He lied when he said he had already paid for it. How?
Actually Turkeyfeather you are wrong. I shipped the first box to him on my own dime. I had plans that this second box was going to be shipped on my dime. Once I shipped the box I would know how much he owed me. I could send him a message with the total and then he could send me a check.
Things changed once HE started with the threats and telling me we were not friends any more. How was I supposed to trust him to follow through after that? If he didn't. . . .I was out a minimum $100
Really? The only thing he came on here with was accusations out of his own mouth.
I'm the one that provided a picture of the check. Text Messages and Facebook Messages between us. Only thing I couldn't supply was phone conversations.
Claims F&G and the Sheriff would be at my house today to collect his animals. Where were they? Ohhh thats right. Neither one showed up.
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 24, 2014, 10:22:35 PM
Quote from: Michelle_Nelson link=topic=148106.msg1967718#msg1967718
Michelle, your just not getting it. I'm sorry but this is a prime example of why someone shouldn't make a business out of a hobby. You gotta stop with the excuses. Believe it or not I am really trying to help you here, but it seems you are hell bent to run your business into the ground. That's to bad. :sry:
Really? The only thing he came on here with was accusations out of his own mouth.
I'm the one that provided a picture of the check. Text Messages and Facebook Messages between us. Only thing I couldn't supply was phone conversations.
Claims F&G and the Sheriff would be at my house today to collect his animals. Where were they? Ohhh thats right. Neither one showed up.
Post by: ICEMAN on February 24, 2014, 10:34:07 PM
I have sat quiet way too long on this.
Michelle, let me remind you of the following;
I have been waiting for 52 months for you to finish my 2009 bear hide and euro skull.
October 2009.
Michelle, 52 months ago, in October of 2009, we delivered my 2009 black bear to you to rug and euro skull whiten. I provided a deposit the day you received the bear hide, I sent to you an extra check/advance on the work just before Christmas, wanted to be sure you had xmas cash.... I followed up with two more payments prior to the work being completed. Four payments in all.
February 2010
In a February 28, 2010 email you advised me that the hide was still on the shelf, you would begin work on it in a couple of weeks, should be done as you finish my skull, both in a couple weeks...
October 2010
In an October 26, 2010 email, you advised me that my skull was done, bear is back from the tannery, hide in the freezer waiting for a rug shell. Repairs to the head have all been made.
You claimed that you were remodeling your shop, but as soon as things started to slow down November 15th (2010), that you were to start mounting stuff again. "Yours will be one of the first ones getting worked on."
September 2011
In a September 7, 2011 email you advised me that you were "sorry it is taking so long on your (my) rug. .....you hoped to have the bear done in the middle of October 2011." You also stated; "If for any reason at all I think it will take a bit longer, then I will let you know."
March 2012
By March 2012 I had not heard from you and sent to you a bit of an angry email asking where my bear rug was, and when would it be done. Your reply contained many excuses in it. Bear rug not completed yet.
June 2012.
Michelle, this is the last time you have contacted me regarding my bear rug.
June 29, 2012 you advised me in an email that "I'm sorry it has taken this long.....When I get it done I'll call you so you can come get it. As far as I am concerned your Bear is paid in full."
Michelle, you have not contacted me for 20 months. You have told me 5 times that it was almost done, or would receive your earliest attention.
I have not posted negative commentary in any of the threads started on this forum which call into question your business practices, until now.
I advise you not to call me a liar. I have treated you with nothing but the utmost of respect. I too have run a business and understand the complexities involved. You have provided nothing to me but excuse after excuse, and lie after lie regarding my bear rug.
Your actions have put me in the uncomfortable position of having to air my dirty laundry in order to get your attention and hopefully a finished product. This delay has fouled the image of my bear in my mind. I only hope that you will complete my bear rug with the attention to detail that you have been known to deliver on projects like this. I pray that you will finish my bear in a professional manner. I have absolutely no power in this situation. You have my rug and skull, and been paid for most all of it.
Since you took possession of my bear hide, I have bought property and built a house with all of my energy. I worked 1/2" off of each femoral head in my hips and had both of my hip joints replaced during the construction of my home. I have battled cancer, taken Chemotherapy and massive radiation therapy, had invasive chest surgery as part of my treatment. I returned to work after all three surgeries and continue to work a 40hour work week through all recovery times. I am not in the mood and have no patience anymore for your slow work and excuses.
I really do not care why you have not finished my rug, there is absolutely no viable excuse or reason that my rug is not complete, in my possession and hanging on the wall of my home.
Do not give me another excuse about why my rug is not complete and beautiful.
Put my rug at the top of your list of things to do, work hard to finish the product.
Finish my rug, then contact me so that I can have someone else pick it up for me.
Post by: h20hunter on February 24, 2014, 10:42:15 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 24, 2014, 10:44:18 PM
Michelle, I hate doing this to you, but I need to jump in here.
I have sat quiet way too long on this.
Michelle, let me remind you of the following;
I have been waiting for 52 months for you to finish my 2009 bear hide and euro skull.
October 2009.
Michelle, 52 months ago, in October of 2009, we delivered my 2009 black bear to you to rug and euro skull whiten. I provided a deposit the day you received the bear hide, I sent to you an extra check/advance on the work just before Christmas, wanted to be sure you had xmas cash.... I followed up with two more payments prior to the work being completed. Four payments in all.
February 2010
In a February 28, 2010 email you advised me that the hide was still on the shelf, you would begin work on it in a couple of weeks, should be done as you finish my skull, both in a couple weeks...
October 2010
In an October 26, 2010 email, you advised me that my skull was done, bear is back from the tannery, hide in the freezer waiting for a rug shell. Repairs to the head have all been made.
You claimed that you were remodeling your shop, but as soon as things started to slow down November 15th (2010), that you were to start mounting stuff again. "Yours will be one of the first ones getting worked on."
September 2011
In a September 7, 2011 email you advised me that you were "sorry it is taking so long on your (my) rug. .....you hoped to have the bear done in the middle of October 2011." You also stated; "If for any reason at all I think it will take a bit longer, then I will let you know."
March 2012
By March 2012 I had not heard from you and sent to you a bit of an angry email asking where my bear rug was, and when would it be done. Your reply contained many excuses in it. Bear rug not completed yet.
June 2012.
Michelle, this is the last time you have contacted me regarding my bear rug.
June 29, 2012 you advised me in an email that "I'm sorry it has taken this long.....When I get it done I'll call you so you can come get it. As far as I am concerned your Bear is paid in full."
Michelle, you have not contacted me for 20 months. You have told me 5 times that it was almost done, or would receive your earliest attention.
I have not posted negative commentary in any of the threads started on this forum which call into question your business practices, until now.
I advise you not to call me a liar. I have treated you with nothing but the utmost of respect. I too have run a business and understand the complexities involved. You have provided nothing to me but excuse after excuse, and lie after lie regarding my bear rug.
Your actions have put me in the uncomfortable position of having to air my dirty laundry in order to get your attention and hopefully a finished product. This delay has fouled the image of my bear in my mind. I only hope that you will complete my bear rug with the attention to detail that you have been known to deliver on projects like this. I pray that you will finish my bear in a professional manner. I have absolutely no power in this situation. You have my rug and skull, and been paid for most all of it.
Since you took possession of my bear hide, I have bought property and built a house with all of my energy. I worked 1/2" off of each femoral head in my hips and had both of my hip joints replaced during the construction of my home. I have battled cancer, taken Chemotherapy and massive radiation therapy, had invasive chest surgery as part of my treatment. I returned to work after all three surgeries and continue to work a 40hour work week through all recovery times. I am not in the mood and have no patience anymore for your slow work and excuses.
I really do not care why you have not finished my rug, there is absolutely no viable excuse or reason that my rug is not complete, in my possession and hanging on the wall of my home.
Do not give me another excuse about why my rug is not complete and beautiful.
Put my rug at the top of your list of things to do, work hard to finish the product.
Finish my rug, then contact me so that I can have someone else pick it up for me.
I'll pay for their gas to come pick it up.
ICEMAN is a class-act and
Just when you think it can't get uglier. That sucks Ice.
:yeah: 52 months? Good night Irene.
Post by: JLS on February 24, 2014, 10:45:27 PM
Just when you think it can't get uglier. That sucks Ice.
No kidding. This just went from a train derailment to a two train head on collision.
Wow.
Post by: jackelope on February 24, 2014, 10:47:00 PM
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Finish my rug, then contact me so that I can have someone else pick it up for me.
I'll pick it up for you.
Post by: Taco280AI on February 24, 2014, 10:47:32 PM
She has more drama than a reality TV show :chuckle:
Post by: kramer on February 24, 2014, 10:52:10 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 24, 2014, 10:52:47 PM
QuoteFinish my rug, then contact me so that I can have someone else pick it up for me.
I'll pick it up for you.
:tup: you rock. I'm still in awe of the 52 month number... :yike:
Post by: jackelope on February 24, 2014, 10:56:46 PM
QuoteFinish my rug, then contact me so that I can have someone else pick it up for me.
I'll pick it up for you.
:tup: you rock. I'm still in awe of the 52 month number... :yike:
Hey its your gas money.
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 24, 2014, 10:58:05 PM
Post by: stevemiller on February 24, 2014, 10:58:18 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 24, 2014, 10:59:19 PM
Sorry, I keep posting folks, but she is making me crazy reading her posts. Again ship it, no need to post more of your communications. Unless a tracking number. But again you have to ship it first to get one of those.
Michelle, if you worried about getting stiffed by the guy for the $65 bucks, I will send you a check for half that amount if he doesn't pay. That's my word, just so he doesn't have to have pissed off customers. :twocents:
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on February 24, 2014, 11:03:49 PM
Post by: stevemiller on February 24, 2014, 11:06:09 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 24, 2014, 11:09:49 PM
She just needs a business manager and her to stick to the taxidermy work. Seems she can't manage both aspects, which is fine, if one can come to those terms. I know a lot would love to help you out, but I see a stubborn streak or some thick headedness behind your posts. I think your wearing the group out as you keep posting he said / she said stuff. We are all hoping you will just ship the box. You seem to have made a full days work out trying to get an estimate and telling us about it. You could search half a dozen shipper in a few minutes via the web and get quick estimates. If you don't have a scale, get one along with a tape measure. Type in the dimensions, approximate weight, to and from zip codes and like magic you have an estimate. Don't let that box own you. Ship it!
Sorry, I keep posting folks, but she is making me crazy reading her posts. Again ship it, no need to post more of your communications. Unless a tracking number. But again you have to ship it first to get one of those.
Michelle, if you worried about getting stiffed by the guy for the $65 bucks, I will send you a check for half that amount if he doesn't pay. That's my word, just so he doesn't have to have pissed off customers. :twocents:
:yeah: SHIP IT.... If the guy doesn't pay the shipping I will pay the other half of the shipping. H20 and I have your shipping covered if he doesn't pay. :tup:
Post by: ICEMAN on February 24, 2014, 11:14:24 PM
Post by: washingtonmuley on February 24, 2014, 11:24:29 PM
Post by: gasman on February 25, 2014, 05:09:01 AM
Ice's post just turned it in to more then a derailment.
Looks like im not the only one that feels this way Michelle.
I mentioned this 3 pages ago and tried to defend your self. and you gad Ice's rug for 52 Months :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike:
UNBELIEVEABLE :bdid:
No one has hurt your business here but you :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: RightPlace-RightTime on February 25, 2014, 05:27:06 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 25, 2014, 05:43:34 AM
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 25, 2014, 06:00:58 AM
Post by: C-Money on February 25, 2014, 07:01:33 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on February 25, 2014, 07:07:15 AM
Nobody likes being put in this strange position of criticizing someone hired to perform basically artwork for them. Really makes you feel like you are not helping by criticizing....but what else can be done at this point?
The impact of situations like this is pretty dramatic actually. Imagine getting the finished product. Will I remember the great hunt, and the great rug work? Or will I remember the frustration of getting it finished?
Post by: MLBowhunting on February 25, 2014, 07:36:11 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on February 25, 2014, 07:39:38 AM
Post by: Ironhead on February 25, 2014, 07:48:40 AM
52 months, WTF ?
It is time, that you sh!t or get off the pot!
Post by: ellensburgpo on February 25, 2014, 07:53:24 AM
Post by: sirmissalot on February 25, 2014, 07:54:15 AM
Post by: Mudman on February 25, 2014, 08:10:12 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 25, 2014, 08:29:51 AM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on February 25, 2014, 08:31:20 AM
Post by: steeleywhopper on February 25, 2014, 08:38:20 AM
Post by: quadrafire on February 25, 2014, 09:00:09 AM
Dang ICE. Very respectable how you handled the situation, I could never hold out that long.:yeah:
I would have thought your cancer battle would have her in hurry up mode to get yours done ASAP
Post by: wildweeds on February 25, 2014, 09:06:15 AM
Post by: Curly on February 25, 2014, 09:07:02 AM
Post by: syoungs on February 25, 2014, 09:23:52 AM
Post by: grundy53 on February 25, 2014, 09:48:14 AM
I can't wait to read 52 months worth of excuses.:yeah:
sent from my typewriter
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 25, 2014, 10:06:33 AM
You also know that I suggested damage control.
But Ice's situation is beyond damage control. He's right, when he gets that rug back will it be about the hunt or the wait? Only he will make that what it is.
And Sundance is right there with Ice.
Michelle, please take a look at your take-in dates on all of your projects. Pick them off 1 by 1 in the order received, as quick as you can, with the same level of quality you have built your reputation on. And before you even do that, look at every single take-in you have. ANYTHING that is late as of right now, will be late in the coming days/weeks/months, give those people some communication with a realistic completion date. And track those dates on any form of computer software you choose. Outlook calendar is a simple one and setting up a reminder takes about 15 seconds each. You can even attach correspondence to them.
I will gladly spend some time to help you set up a tracking method at no cost to you.
You have an incredible talent and it just sucks that this whole thing is snow balling on you.
Post by: Holg3107 on February 25, 2014, 10:06:33 AM
unbelievable!!! You stated earlier that you only took on half of the amount of clients this year than previous. One question I have is if you are 50+ months behind why are you taking on any new work or clients?
I'm glad this all finally came to fruition. I have a feeling that Bucklucky, Natures Way, and a few of the other site sponsors may want to hire some interns because they are going to have to absorb a new client base.
Post by: mulehunter on February 25, 2014, 10:08:37 AM
Post by: Band on February 25, 2014, 10:13:47 AM
I can say that if I had work in your shop for years as others here have I would have done whatever it takes to get it back, even if that included prying open the door to your shop and finding it myself. There is no excuse.
I am hoping, for your sake, that you wake up to what you are hearing from all of us one day so you can save your business and livelihood. Frankly, I am absolutely shocked that anyone still sends you work.
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 25, 2014, 10:24:36 AM
If it was a duck, I would have told her to keep it.
Post by: casey58 on February 25, 2014, 10:26:08 AM
Post by: Band on February 25, 2014, 10:45:46 AM
Wow I have always defended her and her work in past threads but this one has me worried about my 3 white tails...I'd be biting fingernails if I were in your shoes. How long has she had them? What % of the bill have you paid on them?
Post by: GUscottie on February 25, 2014, 10:51:53 AM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on February 25, 2014, 11:13:30 AM
Post by: bearpaw on February 25, 2014, 11:59:29 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 25, 2014, 12:02:36 PM
Post by: gottatree on February 25, 2014, 01:02:35 PM
Post by: Hoyt_Alaska on February 25, 2014, 01:07:14 PM
Me coming on here was because my phone calls, texts, messages and FB messages went unanswered. and I needed a answer of where my stuff is at.. I have deadlines to meet, these aren't my animals, if so id just say screw it and Ill go shoot another bear, but I cant. a 10 year old girl shot the Lynx, How do you tell a 10 year old kid that her cat isnt done because its hung up in Washington?
Yesterday was Ill open the box and take pics after breakfast and a shower, and show you all.. Im starving to death here and seen no proof.. a few others have had stuff their for 5 years.. OMG, my turnaround time is MAX 12 months.. June first will be 5 years in business and the longest anything has taken is 10 months a 3 days.. I do roughly 100-110 animals of various sorts on average every year.. the lynx she has has a deadline of 15 march that I quote the customer, Unless im dead, thats the date I need to meet.
Maybe its because I just retired from the military, learned discipline, time-lines, time management, or the fact that im a hard worker or have a degree in Business.. No doubt a bunch of you went to my site and looked at my work, Im not here to trash another taxi, or to steal anyones work..
Going back to my origional post "Beware" and for good reason.. as a half dozen of you just on this thread are in a similar boat as me by the same person. it took me posting here and throwing us both in the mud to get a response from her.
We are no longer friends, we have never met, etc.. I had no IDEA she was in this big of a hole, NO "FREAKING IDEA" she was 5 years behind, that is "INEXCUSABLE" PERIOD. Im sorry for all of you waiting.
I sent the 3 animals as a test, see what the quality is and turnaround on the rugging aspect, Obviously she is not my go to rugger and failed the test.
I use 3 Ruggers across the country, thats all they do is "RUG" animals. It allows me to work on other things while their at rugging as I call it. Work is still done before and after.. and for the haters.. I'd guess 85% of taxidermist in this country farm out their rugs to wholsale ruggers. Michelle posts pics of great work, I thought why not give her a try, "were friends" does good work, whats their to lose? Man do I feel like I hit a mack truck..
Now the SAGA about shipping. .LOL.. 2 weeks ago it was; Was I guess now it was "TRY" to make it by next thursday to ship.. it dont take 6 freaking days to ship a box. If you order from a store and wait a month and the product doesnt show up.. you call them and they say.. Ohh my bad, maybe next thursday Ill try and ship it.. every one of you would go off the deep end.. I dont get it, I have a business to run as well. Print a label, they pick it up. Or go to the PO.. not that hard. their is UPS stores all over towns, WA is not bumb crap egypt..
Until I get proof my stuff is done, Im not sending a 100.00 check for her to pocket and go blow it on burger king or whatever.. Cant do paypal, LOL.. I have a paypal acct.. I can do CC over the phone, debit, yo name it.. How convienent for her.. I mean, you all see the big picture here right? and understand my frustration?
If someone lives near her facility and is willing to go to her shop TODAY, ASAP and pick up my box and mail it to me, I will send you in any way you want $200.00 cash, check, MO, CC over the ohone to your business.. PAYpla takes 5 second.. so if it cost 60 to ship, you made 140.00 for less than a hour of your time. all I need is a picture of the box and a tracking number, My phone number is at the first post. My aunt lives in Puywallup, but is almost 90 years old, no way im sending her over their.
Post by: Hoyt_Alaska on February 25, 2014, 01:18:49 PM
2/24, 11:21pm Michelle Nelson
I went to UPS today to ship your Rugs. They wanted $242 to ship a 24x19x19 box weighing 18lbs. Ground. That is ridiculous. I was not paying that.
I will be going to USPS to check there price.
12:09am (ME)
I just shipped a huge crated caribou, shipping ran 294.00, thru usps. Parcel post. Ship as soon as possible. COD IS FINE, soon as I get the rugs. I'll cut you a 35.00 check, PayPal you, whichever you prefer
I called UPS, they said they ship COD all the time.. agian, another excuse to why it wasnt shipped. your their, ship it.. at this point ill pay 294.00 in shipping on a box.. No way it cost that much. .as you seen my reply, cost me 294.00 to send a caribou shoulder mount with detachable antlers to Geronimo, OK..and a BIG caribou too.. so a small box is that much. :bash: Nice try though..
Post by: bearpaw on February 25, 2014, 01:33:01 PM
It sounds like Hoyt would like someone to pick up his hides and send them. If anyone is willing to do this, please contact Hoyt and Michelle so we can help this get resolved.
THANKS IN ADVANCE
Post by: jackelope on February 26, 2014, 09:04:06 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on March 28, 2014, 07:29:52 PM
Michelle, I hate doing this to you, but I need to jump in here.
I have sat quiet way too long on this.
Michelle, let me remind you of the following;
I have been waiting for 52 months for you to finish my 2009 bear hide and euro skull.
October 2009.
Michelle, 52 months ago, in October of 2009, we delivered my 2009 black bear to you to rug and euro skull whiten. I provided a deposit the day you received the bear hide, I sent to you an extra check/advance on the work just before Christmas, wanted to be sure you had xmas cash.... I followed up with two more payments prior to the work being completed. Four payments in all.
February 2010
In a February 28, 2010 email you advised me that the hide was still on the shelf, you would begin work on it in a couple of weeks, should be done as you finish my skull, both in a couple weeks...
October 2010
In an October 26, 2010 email, you advised me that my skull was done, bear is back from the tannery, hide in the freezer waiting for a rug shell. Repairs to the head have all been made.
You claimed that you were remodeling your shop, but as soon as things started to slow down November 15th (2010), that you were to start mounting stuff again. "Yours will be one of the first ones getting worked on."
September 2011
In a September 7, 2011 email you advised me that you were "sorry it is taking so long on your (my) rug. .....you hoped to have the bear done in the middle of October 2011." You also stated; "If for any reason at all I think it will take a bit longer, then I will let you know."
March 2012
By March 2012 I had not heard from you and sent to you a bit of an angry email asking where my bear rug was, and when would it be done. Your reply contained many excuses in it. Bear rug not completed yet.
June 2012.
Michelle, this is the last time you have contacted me regarding my bear rug.
June 29, 2012 you advised me in an email that "I'm sorry it has taken this long.....When I get it done I'll call you so you can come get it. As far as I am concerned your Bear is paid in full."
Michelle, you have not contacted me for 20 months. You have told me 5 times that it was almost done, or would receive your earliest attention.
I have not posted negative commentary in any of the threads started on this forum which call into question your business practices, until now.
I advise you not to call me a liar. I have treated you with nothing but the utmost of respect. I too have run a business and understand the complexities involved. You have provided nothing to me but excuse after excuse, and lie after lie regarding my bear rug.
Your actions have put me in the uncomfortable position of having to air my dirty laundry in order to get your attention and hopefully a finished product. This delay has fouled the image of my bear in my mind. I only hope that you will complete my bear rug with the attention to detail that you have been known to deliver on projects like this. I pray that you will finish my bear in a professional manner. I have absolutely no power in this situation. You have my rug and skull, and been paid for most all of it.
Since you took possession of my bear hide, I have bought property and built a house with all of my energy. I worked 1/2" off of each femoral head in my hips and had both of my hip joints replaced during the construction of my home. I have battled cancer, taken Chemotherapy and massive radiation therapy, had invasive chest surgery as part of my treatment. I returned to work after all three surgeries and continue to work a 40hour work week through all recovery times. I am not in the mood and have no patience anymore for your slow work and excuses.
I really do not care why you have not finished my rug, there is absolutely no viable excuse or reason that my rug is not complete, in my possession and hanging on the wall of my home.
Do not give me another excuse about why my rug is not complete and beautiful.
Put my rug at the top of your list of things to do, work hard to finish the product.
Finish my rug, then contact me so that I can have someone else pick it up for me.
I am happy to report that I have finally received my October 2009 bear rug and skull from Michelle.
This has taken an unfortunate 53 total months from start to finish.
I was told that I did not properly care for my bear rug which resulted in hair slip on the side of the face of the bear.
On the other hand I was informed that the issue she encountered with her tanner caused problems as well, as more than one taxidermist pulled their work a few years ago from their tanner. My bear rug was also included in the last batch from this sub par tanner.
I was told that it took a long time to locate a replacement patch of face hair for my specific bear.
I was told by Michelle, that she hesitated contacting me after my dual hip replacement surgery. Then later when I was diagnosed with cancer, she did not contact me because she believed that I was mad at her for some reason.
Michelle claims that she sent me a pm which advised me that the bear was done somewhere around Christmas 2012. She also admitted that she noted that the tongue was not installed in the bear and that it was not really done then.
I was told by someone else that the rug had been misplaced or lost in a freezer.
Many members on this site have contacted me with similar complaints regarding Michelle not being reachable by phone or email. Michelle claimed to me yesterday that she gets hundreds of emails on this site and her taxidermy site. She also claimed that she did not get any of her emails at her business site. That she just learned recently that her emails were not getting to her.
I attempted to pick up this rug on Monday March 24th with a surprise visit. She claimed at that time that the rug was not available, it was at her friend "Toms" house for picture taking. This was the same excuse that she used on another bear rug she recently delivered late to another member who will remain anonymous unless he decides to post his story. Michelle told both this other member, and myself that the pictures of our bear rugs were not any good because of a defective SD card.
I was finally able to pick up my rug yesterday evening. The rug looks good, the skull looked good. The quality of Michelle's work is fine.
Why am I posting this?
The reason that I am posting this is to finalize my part of this story. The simple fact is that it took 53 months to get a rug processed by Michelle. Her work is fine. Her business sense is not.
I will not be recommending anyone I know to take work there.
I may post up some pics after the weekend. Thanks. Finally done.
Post by: 92xj on March 28, 2014, 07:34:41 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on March 28, 2014, 07:35:42 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 28, 2014, 07:54:11 PM
Post by: sled on March 28, 2014, 07:55:25 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 28, 2014, 07:55:51 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 28, 2014, 10:32:43 PM
I am happy to report that I have finally received my October 2009 bear rug and skull from Michelle.
This has taken an unfortunate 53 total months from start to finish.
I was told that I did not properly care for my bear rug which resulted in hair slip on the side of the face of the bear.
This information was not new to you. I told you several times my concerns about your hide and the following issues.
You killed your Bear and then threw it in a creek to cool it off. Then put it in a cooler for 5 DAYS before I even got it. Head and Paws were still in and it was soaked! It had ZERO ice in the cooler when I got it and it had 2" of bloody water in the cooler. Hair was already shedding on the front of the neck before I even started pulling the skull. Your bear had 3" x 8" section of hair slip on the side of your Bears face between the eye and the ear. Your Bear was only 5'4". You also had several smaller size slip areas on the front of the neck. Not to mention that your hide was sheddy.
On the other hand I was informed that the issue she encountered with her tanner caused problems as well, as more than one taxidermist pulled their work a few years ago from their tanner. My bear rug was also included in the last batch from this sub par tanner.
Incorrect! I never said that the tanner caused problems with your hide, other than it taking longer to get it back. I started working on your hide the instant it came in. Preped it, salted it, and drove it 1.25 hours to the tannery to try and save it. At the time the tanneries quality hadn't started going down hill. The only thing was there turn around getting longer.
Please feel free to verify this with Bucklucky! I was the first taxidermist that noticed the quality of the Old Tannery was going down hill in early 2010. Bucklucky, ME, and a few other taxidermists all quit using this tannery around the same time.
To say that I pulled my stuff years after everyone else is complete BS! ! ! I was the first one to notice the quality change and I pulled my stuff the same time everyone else! ! !
I was told that it took a long time to locate a replacement patch of face hair for my specific bear.
This is correct. Due to the fact that not all "black" bears have the same hair structure. Hair length, diameter, luster of the hair, and the direction the hair is going on the face all has to be close to exact. Otherwise the repair would be very noticeable. I went through around 16-18 different Bears faces before I found a match.
I was told by Michelle, that she hesitated contacting me after my dual hip replacement surgery. Then later when I was diagnosed with cancer, she did not contact me because she believed that I was mad at her for some reason.
Michelle claims that she sent me a pm which advised me that the bear was done somewhere around Christmas 2012. She also admitted that she noted that the tongue was not installed in the bear and that it was not really done then.
Incorrect. You said I had not contacted you for 20 months. When in fact I sent you a PM on February 9th 2013 inquiring about your double hip replacement. This was your response to me via PM.Walking without a cane. Pretty happy with the new hips. Still some muscle pain, but no bone on bone pain anymore.
The next morning on Feb 10, 2013 I responded to the above PM and asked you "If you were moving around well enough and felt up to picking up your Bear Rug."
You never responded. . . . . . . Back in 2012 I told you that what ever was left on your Rug ($325) was not due and that I considered your Rug and Skull paid in full. . . . . . I assumed because I didn't get an immediate response that you were either not up to coming down to pick it up, trying to get a day figured out to come get it, or trying to arrange for someone else to pick it up, or you were just mad at me for the length of time I had your bear. Several weeks went by after I told you it was done did I find out you had cancer. When I found out you had cancer I assumed that was the reason you hadn't come and gotten your Rug.
I was not the only member of Hunting Washington that told you that your rug was done over the last year!
BTW it took me a whooping 2 minutes to put the tounge in.
I was told by someone else that the rug had been misplaced or lost in a freezer.
Who ever told you this was apparently just giving you there opinion, because as you can see by your Bear Rug at your house this was inaccurate.
Many members on this site have contacted me with similar complaints regarding Michelle not being reachable by phone or email. Michelle claimed to me yesterday that she gets hundreds of emails on this site and her taxidermy site. She also claimed that she did not get any of her emails at her business site. That she just learned recently that her emails were not getting to her.
Incorrect. I told you there are "days" when I have gotten and sent in upwards of a 100 PM''s on this site. I have a screen shot posted in another thread showing that.
As for E-mails. Back when Hotmail was transitioning over to Outlook they had a bunch of bugs. There were days I would get tons of E-mails spanning a 2 week period. They wouldn't come in the day they were sent they would come in, in groups. This lasted for months. I didn't realize that this was happening for a while because I really do not receive a ton of E-mails from customers. Once they finnaly changed the layout I coulnd't get my E-mail to load on my computer. Shortly after I couldn't log on. As soon as I found out it was happening I switched over to Gmail. It took several months before I was able to log back in to my Hotmail account. Since I changed over to Gmail I very rearly ever log on to the Hotmail account.
I had the old E-mail pulled off my website and the new one put on. What was happening was when someone would click on my E-mail link to send me a message it wasn't sending it to Gmail it was sending it to my old Hotmail account. Several days ago I logged into my old Hotmail account to get an E-mail address I knew was on there. Saw that a newer customer had send me an E-mail. A customer that had never been given my old one. I answered his E-mail and gave him the G-mail account.
He then sent me an E-mail to my G-mail account and said that he had clicked on my Website E-mail and the Hotmail account was what he was given. I went in immediately and got the problem figured out. I made a post in the Virtual Campfire, yesterday I think, letting everyone that had sent me an E-mail through my website know.
I attempted to pick up this rug on Monday March 24th with a surprise visit. She claimed at that time that the rug was not available, it was at her friend "Toms" house for picture taking. This was the same excuse that she used on another bear rug she recently delivered late to another member who will remain anonymous unless he decides to post his story. Michelle told both this other member, and myself that the pictures of our bear rugs were not any good because of a defective SD card.
Your right it was a "Suprise Visit". Considering you told me the best time for you to come on Monday was 6 - 9pm and I sent you a message on Sunday and told you that I wouldn't be available Monday afternoon because there was a good chance I would have to go see my doctor in the afternoon during urgent care (5pm - 9pm, might be 10pm).
First of all I asked Carpsniperg2 if it was alright if I held on to his Rug a few more weeks so I could get photos of it. He agreed and we set a date that I would ship his rug to him (Mon the 17th). I had ordered a couple back drops and I wanted to get nice photos for my website of his rug because it was another Closed mouth and black this time. I took photos on my own at my house.
Around 4-5 days before I shipped his rug I asked his permission to drive his rug over to him on the 19 or 20th in Goldendale because I had another mount to deliver. It would have arrived the same day shipped or driven. I felt it was safer to drive it then to ship it. He gave his permission. I told him if things change that his Rug would shio Monday the 17th! I drove his rug over to him on the 20th.
The day before I was to drive it over I pulled the SD Card out of the camera and was going to go through the photos. Over 100 pic's of his Rug and none of them recorded.
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On Saturday evening around 11:30pm I was wiping off a knife blade with a paper towel. I was in a hurry and didn't realize that the knife blade was up and not down. I was putting a lot of pressure on it to get the gooey meat off. Ended up cutting my thumb, and not just a little bit.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,150054.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,150054.0.html)
I called my doctor first thing Monday to try and get in to see if there was anything that could be done about the fact I had no feeling in my thumb from where I cut to the tip. They said they were busy and that they would try and work me in and that they would call me. If they couldn't see me before 5 they would be able to after hours urgent care.
Since I had no use of my left hand because of the way they wrapped it. I called a friend of mine around noonish that does Photography to see I could come over. I had talked to him in the past about him showing me how to use my camera along with looking at his back drops. So around 2pm I drove up there and brought the only Bear Rug I had done, along with a Boar and Deer Shoulder Mount. I was in a hurry when I left and accidentally grabbed the same broken SD Card. I wanted to see what each looked like on different back drops because the onse I ordered were not quite what I wanted. While I was there the doctor called and said come in (4:30pm). So I left and went to see him. At 5:30 I left the doctor and had a voice message on my phone from a friend asking if I could watch there son because him and his wife were taking there daughter to do something and he didn't want to go. So I headed home to meet them. Within 20 minutes of getting home ICEMAN shows up at my house.
I was finally able to pick up my rug yesterday evening. The rug looks good, the skull looked good. The quality of Michelle's work is fine.
Why am I posting this?
The reason that I am posting this is to finalize my part of this story. The simple fact is that it took 53 months to get a rug processed by Michelle. Her work is fine. Her business sense is not.
I will not be recommending anyone I know to take work there.
I may post up some pics after the weekend. Thanks. Finally done.
Post by: stevemiller on March 28, 2014, 10:37:51 PM
Post by: HHPro on March 28, 2014, 10:41:50 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 28, 2014, 10:43:46 PM
I simply corrected things he said that were not factual.
Post by: jjdavis2222 on March 28, 2014, 10:47:28 PM
Let me also say that my buddies half bear mount turned out awesome! I just wouldn't want to wait that long and have to deal with all the excuses and lies! Her quality of work isn't the issue.
Post by: HHPro on March 28, 2014, 10:47:53 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on March 28, 2014, 11:17:09 PM
If you can't see how YOU'RE wrong by now you'll just never get it
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 28, 2014, 11:38:13 PM
Wouldn't a simple I am sorry be better then making more excuses and trying to put blame on iceman be the better route?
Several apologies were made when the Rug was picked up yesterday. He was here for a good 30 minutes.
He said some things in his most recent post that were inaccurate. I simply corrected what was said.
I guess I am supposed to allow people to say and believe something said that is false.
Post by: HHPro on March 28, 2014, 11:50:41 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 29, 2014, 12:05:32 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on March 29, 2014, 12:20:13 AM
Post by: HHPro on March 29, 2014, 12:24:48 AM
Post by: d_wilson on March 29, 2014, 12:47:29 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on March 29, 2014, 12:59:59 AM
The customer is always right. Thats business 101. ...
I don't agree with this opinion. Or I must have missed it in 'business 101' while earning my business degree.
Business owners should always bend over backwards to satisfy their customers, but some customers are just plain unreasonable or on the friggin moon. Not saying one way or the other whether that applies to this situation. But the ethos "the customer is always right" will ruin any business sooner or later. :twocents:
Post by: Romulus1297 on March 29, 2014, 01:31:13 AM
Post by: grundy53 on March 29, 2014, 05:42:06 AM
Good Grief. Its been 116 months since visited my taxi for a full size black bear mount. Luckily my receipts were in the safe because he couldn't find them and the form #. The bear is in a box and has not lost any hair. I do know where I dropped the bear off and have phone ## Now I have to make room for another bear mount. Wait I haven't checked in lately. Maybe I should check in once and a while. My fault. It is harder to find a spot for the bear then call my taxi :dunno:Jeez! Ten years? Thats ridiculous.
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 29, 2014, 07:25:59 AM
Hoyt_Alaska's work is done and will be shipped today.:yike: THOSE LOOK KILLER :drool: :drool: Just look how thick the hair is on those rugs ....CRAZY !! Good job Michelle :tup: :tup:
Post by: boneaddict on March 29, 2014, 07:28:48 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 29, 2014, 07:46:25 AM
I am happy to report that I have finally received my October 2009 bear rug and skull from Michelle.
This has taken an unfortunate 53 total months from start to finish.
I was told that I did not properly care for my bear rug which resulted in hair slip on the side of the face of the bear.
This information was not new to you. I told you several times my concerns about your hide and the following issues.
You killed your Bear and then threw it in a creek to cool it off. Then put it in a cooler for 5 DAYS before I even got it. Head and Paws were still in and it was soaked! It had ZERO ice in the cooler when I got it and it had 2" of bloody water in the cooler. Hair was already shedding on the front of the neck before I even started pulling the skull. Your bear had 3" x 8" section of hair slip on the side of your Bears face between the eye and the ear. Your Bear was only 5'4". You also had several smaller size slip areas on the front of the neck. Not to mention that your hide was sheddy.
On the other hand I was informed that the issue she encountered with her tanner caused problems as well, as more than one taxidermist pulled their work a few years ago from their tanner. My bear rug was also included in the last batch from this sub par tanner.
Incorrect! I never said that the tanner caused problems with your hide, other than it taking longer to get it back. I started working on your hide the instant it came in. Preped it, salted it, and drove it 1.25 hours to the tannery to try and save it. At the time the tanneries quality hadn't started going down hill. The only thing was there turn around getting longer.
Please feel free to verify this with Bucklucky! I was the first taxidermist that noticed the quality of the Old Tannery was going down hill in early 2010. Bucklucky, ME, and a few other taxidermists all quit using this tannery around the same time.
To say that I pulled my stuff years after everyone else is complete BS! ! ! I was the first one to notice the quality change and I pulled my stuff the same time everyone else! ! !
I was told that it took a long time to locate a replacement patch of face hair for my specific bear.
This is correct. Due to the fact that not all "black" bears have the same hair structure. Hair length, diameter, luster of the hair, and the direction the hair is going on the face all has to be close to exact. Otherwise the repair would be very noticeable. I went through around 16-18 different Bears faces before I found a match.
I was told by Michelle, that she hesitated contacting me after my dual hip replacement surgery. Then later when I was diagnosed with cancer, she did not contact me because she believed that I was mad at her for some reason.
Michelle claims that she sent me a pm which advised me that the bear was done somewhere around Christmas 2012. She also admitted that she noted that the tongue was not installed in the bear and that it was not really done then.
Incorrect. You said I had not contacted you for 20 months. When in fact I sent you a PM on February 9th 2013 inquiring about your double hip replacement. This was your response to me via PM.Walking without a cane. Pretty happy with the new hips. Still some muscle pain, but no bone on bone pain anymore.
The next morning on Feb 10, 2013 I responded to the above PM and asked you "If you were moving around well enough and felt up to picking up your Bear Rug."
You never responded. . . . . . . Back in 2012 I told you that what ever was left on your Rug ($325) was not due and that I considered your Rug and Skull paid in full. . . . . . I assumed because I didn't get an immediate response that you were either not up to coming down to pick it up, trying to get a day figured out to come get it, or trying to arrange for someone else to pick it up, or you were just mad at me for the length of time I had your bear. Several weeks went by after I told you it was done did I find out you had cancer. When I found out you had cancer I assumed that was the reason you hadn't come and gotten your Rug.
I was not the only member of Hunting Washington that told you that your rug was done over the last year.
BTW it took me a whooping 2 minutes to put the tounge in.
I was told by someone else that the rug had been misplaced or lost in a freezer.
Who ever told you this was apparently just giving you there opinion, because as you can see by your Bear Rug at your house this was inaccurate.
Many members on this site have contacted me with similar complaints regarding Michelle not being reachable by phone or email. Michelle claimed to me yesterday that she gets hundreds of emails on this site and her taxidermy site. She also claimed that she did not get any of her emails at her business site. That she just learned recently that her emails were not getting to her.
Incorrect. I told you there are "days" when I have gotten and sent in upwards of a 100 PM''s on this site. I have a screen shot posted in another thread showing that.
As for E-mails. Back when Hotmail was transitioning over to Outlook they had a bunch of bugs. There were days I would get tons of E-mails spanning a 2 week period. They wouldn't come in the day they were sent they would come in, in groups. This lasted for months. I didn't realize that this was happening for a while because I really do not receive a ton of E-mails from customers. Once they finnaly changed the layout I coulnd't get my E-mail to load on my computer. Shortly after I couldn't log on. As soon as I found out it was happening I switched over to Gmail. It took several months before I was able to log back in to my Hotmail account. Since I changed over to Gmail I very rearly ever log on to the Hotmail account.
I had the old E-mail pulled off my website and the new one put on. What was happening was when someone would click on my E-mail link to send me a message it wasn't sending it to Gmail it was sending it to my old Hotmail account. Several days ago I logged into my old Hotmail account to get an E-mail address I knew was on there. Saw that a newer customer had send me an E-mail. A customer that had never been given my old one. I answered his E-mail and gave him the G-mail account.
He then sent me an E-mail to my G-mail account and said that he had clicked on my Website E-mail and the Hotmail account was what he was given. I went in immediately and got the problem figured out. I made a post in the Virtual Campfire, yesterday I think, letting everyone that had sent me an E-mail through my website know.
I attempted to pick up this rug on Monday March 24th with a surprise visit. She claimed at that time that the rug was not available, it was at her friend "Toms" house for picture taking. This was the same excuse that she used on another bear rug she recently delivered late to another member who will remain anonymous unless he decides to post his story. Michelle told both this other member, and myself that the pictures of our bear rugs were not any good because of a defective SD card.
Your right it was a "Suprise Visit". Considering you told me the best time for you to come on Monday was 6 - 9pm and I sent you a message on Sunday and told you that I wouldn't be available Monday afternoon because there was a good chance I would have to go see my doctor in the afternoon during urgent care (5pm - 9pm, might be 10pm).
First of all I asked Carpsniperg2 if it was alright if I held on to his Rug a few more weeks so I could get photos of it. He agreed and we set a date that I would ship his rug to him (Mon the 17th). I had ordered a couple back drops and I wanted to get nice photos for my website of his rug because it was another Closed mouth and black this time. I took photos on my own at my house.
Around 4-5 days before I shipped his rug I asked his permission to drive his rug over to him on the 19 or 20th in Goldendale because I had another mount to deliver. It would have arrived the same day shipped or driven. I felt it was safer to drive it then to ship it. He gave his permission. I told him if things change that his Rug would shio Monday the 17th! I drove his rug over to him on the 20th.
The day before I was to drive it over I pulled the SD Card out of the camera and was going to go through the photos. Over 100 pic's of his Rug and none of them recorded.
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On Saturday evening around 11:30pm I was wiping off a knife blade with a paper towel. I was in a hurry and didn't realize that the knife blade was up and not down. I was putting a lot of pressure on it to get the gooey meat off. Ended up cutting my thumb, and not just a little bit.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,150054.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,150054.0.html)
I called my doctor first thing Monday to try and get in to see if there was anything that could be done about the fact I had no feeling in my thumb from where I cut to the tip. They said they were busy and that they would try and work me in and that they would call me. If they couldn't see me before 5 they would be able to after hours urgent care.
Since I had no use of my left hand because of the way they wrapped it. I called a friend of mine around noonish that does Photography to see I could come over. I had talked to him in the past about him showing me how to use my camera along with looking at his back drops. So around 2pm I drove up there and brought the only Bear Rug I had done, along with a Boar and Deer Shoulder Mount. I was in a hurry when I left and accidentally grabbed the same broken SD Card. I wanted to see what each looked like on different back drops because the onse I ordered were not quite what I wanted. While I was there the doctor called and said come in (4:30pm). So I left and went to see him. At 5:30 I left the doctor and had a voice message on my phone from a friend asking if I could watch there son because him and his wife were taking there daughter to do something and he didn't want to go. So I headed home to meet them. Within 20 minutes of getting home ICEMAN shows up at my house.
I was finally able to pick up my rug yesterday evening. The rug looks good, the skull looked good. The quality of Michelle's work is fine.
Why am I posting this?
The reason that I am posting this is to finalize my part of this story. The simple fact is that it took 53 months to get a rug processed by Michelle. Her work is fine. Her business sense is not.
I will not be recommending anyone I know to take work there.
I may post up some pics after the weekend. Thanks. Finally done.
I was not the only member of Hunting Washington that told you that your rug was done over the last year.
If you are referring to me, yes, you told me that his bear was done and I told him. You also said you didn't think he would be up to picking it up due to his announcement of having cancer. I told you to give him a call and let him know since no one knew how bad the cancer was.
But telling me it was done and then making him wait to pick it up does not equate to "done" in my opinion. If it was done and "taking up space" and you "want it gone now" as you messaged me, then why weren't you proactive in getting it to him? Why wasn't it available for pickup when he dropped by the first time?
I would think for your customers piece of mind (and your business's sake) it would make better business sense to just apologize and move on to the other projects that are years behind. Posting here, on FB, designing non-taxidermy projects or talking on the phone for hours when you could be working on late projects only makes things worse.
Post by: turkeyfeather on March 29, 2014, 07:50:05 AM
I understand you to a point but you say I have a lot of repairing to do. I don't think you understand my perspective. People posting false information doesn't help either.You have been caught in lie after lie, excuse after excuse and denial after denial. Your customers are not the ones posting false information. Either the problem is you or it's a massive conspiracy against you :tinfoil: Either way until you grow up and admit your shortcomings and learn to apologize and overcome them your business is going to continue it's slow death.
Post by: ICEMAN on March 29, 2014, 10:39:56 AM
I really get sick having to share this part about your business dealing with me, in public. Nobody wants to do this. This is not what I would wish on any business. This would have been so easy to bash on you if your actual work was poor, or even marginal. This is the biggest tragedy in my opinion. You excell at your trade. Your work is excellent. Open your freaking ears and listen to us. Listen to Hunt Wa.
You need to get someone else to run the business end of your business. Somehow, you need to get somebody else to run your front end of the business. You are personally unable to do it. I bet if you had someone else skilled at shielding you from emails, phone calls, etc....so that you could turn out excellent work, that you would triple your business.
You have the taxidermy thing down. You need business education.
I ran a business for 10 years. It is hard.
In my humble opinion, your first lesson of business would be to listen to your customer complaints, honor their complaints, and make changes based upon these complaints.
Look at how you have constantly had issues with complaints about folks not being able to reach you, or contact you, or feel that you have not contacted them. No complaints about your finished product, but this other item. If you continue to make excuses, it is not going to work.
Listen, learn, change.
I am done criticizing you. I will post the rug on the wall and enjoy it. Thanks for the good work.
Post by: Band on March 29, 2014, 11:42:31 AM
Post by: shane cade on May 21, 2014, 06:51:04 PM
Post by: h20hunter on May 21, 2014, 07:07:11 PM
Post by: Coastal_native on May 21, 2014, 07:09:58 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on May 21, 2014, 07:15:45 PM
aren't u guys tired of slamin her
Now that you mention it, no. No, I am not tired of slamin her.
Post by: bobcat on May 21, 2014, 07:21:20 PM
Post by: h20hunter on May 21, 2014, 07:23:37 PM
See what the trolls do......bring threads back to life with dumb posts exactly like the one I'm typing which as I already said, keeps the attention on the very thing you apparently are here to defend. So, let the thread die and post up your positive review and a pic of your trophy whether it be a doe, lion, or aardvark .
And Bobcat says hello hello hello. Got a hot mike here.
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on May 21, 2014, 07:46:28 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on May 23, 2014, 11:02:35 PM
Things could be worse- you could have had your bear at Alden's Taxidermy for seven years... Just to have it burned up when his shop burned down. :o
Then he was told that it was completed just before it burned up.
Post by: bobcat on May 23, 2014, 11:04:24 PM
Things could be worse- you could have had your bear at Alden's Taxidermy for seven years... Just to have it burned up when his shop burned down. :o
Then he was told that it was completed just before it burned up.
:bash: I wonder if they'll ever figure out who burned that place down?
Post by: Romulus1297 on May 23, 2014, 11:22:36 PM
Post by: buckshot541 on May 24, 2014, 09:14:52 AM
Amen Bobcat!
Post by: ICEMAN on February 04, 2016, 07:58:29 PM
I am having a heck of a time getting good pictures....doing something wrong....
Anyway, the wall in a stairway in our house is where I place my bear rugs. I have a grizzly bear trap I intend to hang on the wall between the bears...should look cool.
Ice.
Post by: h20hunter on February 04, 2016, 08:01:42 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on February 04, 2016, 08:37:59 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 05, 2016, 07:27:09 AM
Iceman: for the photos, try using +1 to 2 stops of (positive) exposure compensation. Your camera is metering all the pure white on the walls and wants to bring the exposure down as a result. You'll get more detail in the bear--who cares if you blow out the walls? You can bump it up in post but its better if you expose it correct, in camera.
^ I was going to say the same thing, pretty much verbatim. Thanks for filling in on this one BC.
:chuckle:
Post by: vandeman17 on February 05, 2016, 08:07:35 AM
Iceman: for the photos, try using +1 to 2 stops of (positive) exposure compensation. Your camera is metering all the pure white on the walls and wants to bring the exposure down as a result. You'll get more detail in the bear--who cares if you blow out the walls? You can bump it up in post but its better if you expose it correct, in camera.
Was that English?
Post by: Bob33 on February 05, 2016, 08:30:28 AM
Post by: runamuk on February 05, 2016, 08:42:18 AM
yes I understand exactly what he said :) but speak photography.Iceman: for the photos, try using +1 to 2 stops of (positive) exposure compensation. Your camera is metering all the pure white on the walls and wants to bring the exposure down as a result. You'll get more detail in the bear--who cares if you blow out the walls? You can bump it up in post but its better if you expose it correct, in camera.
Was that English?
Nice bears Iceman.
Post by: huntnphool on February 05, 2016, 09:34:06 AM
Iceman: for the photos, try using +1 to 2 stops of (positive) exposure compensation. Your camera is metering all the pure white on the walls and wants to bring the exposure down as a result. You'll get more detail in the bear--who cares if you blow out the walls? You can bump it up in post but its better if you expose it correct, in camera.
+1, or bracket those same shots. :tup:
Post by: Bob33 on February 05, 2016, 10:25:08 AM
Let me shed a little light on the subject.Iceman: for the photos, try using +1 to 2 stops of (positive) exposure compensation. Your camera is metering all the pure white on the walls and wants to bring the exposure down as a result. You'll get more detail in the bear--who cares if you blow out the walls? You can bump it up in post but its better if you expose it correct, in camera.
Was that English?
(On second thought, that's exactly what BC just recommended.)
Post by: boneaddict on February 08, 2016, 05:35:13 AM
Looks great Ice. I'm glad you got your bear finally and you get to enjoy it. Looks nice.
Post by: buckhorn2 on March 06, 2016, 09:50:49 AM
:bash:
Post by: jackelope on March 06, 2016, 11:32:01 AM
I took a bison my son shot with a bow with bearpaw to her four years ago and am not able to get a hold of her I have tried it all but no response. I saw a bison mount she did and decided to see if she could do ours don't know why she won't answer. If you have a good taxidermist stick with them.
:bash:
Very sorry this is happening to you. You should post on her Facebook page. She seems to be online there often enough.
Post by: boneaddict on March 06, 2016, 11:52:05 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 06, 2016, 12:21:56 PM
Post by: Bob33 on March 06, 2016, 12:37:53 PM
Post by: boneaddict on March 06, 2016, 01:00:58 PM
Post by: 92xj on March 06, 2016, 01:40:08 PM
One of the things I don't get is why isn't she in touch with you? If I had your mount 4 plus years, I'd be ashamedand would be taking every step I could to make contact. She probably feels that's your problem. :bdid:
Of course, it's never her problem or fault.
It's sickening to hear another story again and again.
Post by: jackelope on March 06, 2016, 01:45:53 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 06, 2016, 01:47:46 PM
4 YEARS!!!!!
What???? That's a normal return time for her...:.
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 07, 2016, 07:24:53 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 07, 2016, 07:35:55 AM
Post by: bearpaw on March 07, 2016, 07:51:09 AM
I took a bison my son shot with a bow with bearpaw to her four years ago and am not able to get a hold of her I have tried it all but no response. I saw a bison mount she did and decided to see if she could do ours don't know why she won't answer. If you have a good taxidermist stick with them.
:bash:
I'm very sorry to hear this, I sure wished I knew what might motivate her? :dunno:
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 07, 2016, 08:01:52 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on March 07, 2016, 08:24:28 AM
MAKE the time to get a hold of her and get your stuff back as is, and move on. It's possible you may work something out, but someone in the area I could see making a few bucks being an "agent" to communicate.
The "unknown" is the worst part. :twocents:
Post by: jackelope on March 07, 2016, 09:02:21 AM
I'm not quite at four years yet but sitting at 27 months for the buck in my avatar pic. I called last week and left a message with no response. Talked to her back in September and she said it would be ready by Thanksgiving or Xmas. :dunno:
Try messaging her on Facebook. It seems to be pretty effective. At least it's seemed effective if you're not a customer waiting 4 years for a mount.
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 07, 2016, 12:22:19 PM
That thing was a hawg. Sure hope you get it back before she finally gives up. :yike:
No kidding! Gave Facebook a try.
Post by: Spuddieselwwu on March 07, 2016, 12:34:13 PM
My :twocents:: If she would be more clear with expectation setting - none of this would be an issue. We all know she does great work, she is just terrible at running a business and setting realistic expectations.
Post by: Bob33 on March 07, 2016, 12:42:28 PM
Use Better Business Bureau to log complaints. She already has an "F" rating with two lodged complaints against her.One might conclude that using the Better Business Bureau to improve her behavior isn't working.
Post by: Spuddieselwwu on March 07, 2016, 12:45:43 PM
Use Better Business Bureau to log complaints. She already has an "F" rating with two lodged complaints against her.One might conclude that using the Better Business Bureau to improve her behavior isn't working.
There's only 2 complaints listed on BBB. There are more than 2 complaints on this very thread. So I'd say the awareness needs to get out - outside of just the hunt-wa community. It's no surprise to us.
Post by: buckhorn2 on March 07, 2016, 02:45:34 PM
Post by: Bob33 on March 07, 2016, 02:49:55 PM
I bet you understand it better now. ;)
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,148106.msg1965569.html#msg1965569
Post by: gasman on March 07, 2016, 06:48:30 PM
I id try messaging her many times on facebook but no reply.Tryed on the eye phone but mailbox full. At least I would like the skull back. She even wrote to me a couple years ago and said she had purchased a cape for it as ours was;nt good It was a real big bull it scored like 106 big for a bow. Did,nt want to post anything negative on facebook becase it,s her business but I see her on and she just won't answer so something must be up.
Hey Del, go knock on her door I will go with you....
Post by: runamuk on March 07, 2016, 07:04:09 PM
I id try messaging her many times on facebook but no reply.Tryed on the eye phone but mailbox full. At least I would like the skull back. She even wrote to me a couple years ago and said she had purchased a cape for it as ours was;nt good It was a real big bull it scored like 106 big for a bow. Did,nt want to post anything negative on facebook becase it,s her business but I see her on and she just won't answer so something must be up.
Hey Del, go knock on her door I will go with you....
That :yeah:
and post on fb ask her point blank where it is if she needs a cape there is a buffalo farm right up the road from her in Porter :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: jackelope on March 07, 2016, 07:37:08 PM
I id try messaging her many times on facebook but no reply.Tryed on the eye phone but mailbox full. At least I would like the skull back. She even wrote to me a couple years ago and said she had purchased a cape for it as ours was;nt good It was a real big bull it scored like 106 big for a bow. Did,nt want to post anything negative on facebook becase it,s her business but I see her on and she just won't answer so something must be up.
Hey Del, go knock on her door I will go with you....
That :yeah:
and post on fb ask her point blank where it is if she needs a cape there is a buffalo farm right up the road from her in Porter :bash: :bash: :bash:
I'd pay money to see video of you 2 going to her door. Maybe you should take Kevin's kid again like he did.
I can't believe nobody ever posts on her Facebook page. I assume she's just delete it right away anyway.
Post by: sled on March 07, 2016, 08:10:23 PM
She said it is not that hard to get her if you need to. She said to simply call her. :dunno:
Post by: Becky on March 07, 2016, 08:23:44 PM
Del,
I bet you understand it better now. ;)
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,148106.msg1965569.html#msg1965569
Oh no :chuckle:
Post by: Becky on March 07, 2016, 08:26:37 PM
I id try messaging her many times on facebook but no reply.Tryed on the eye phone but mailbox full. At least I would like the skull back. She even wrote to me a couple years ago and said she had purchased a cape for it as ours was;nt good It was a real big bull it scored like 106 big for a bow. Did,nt want to post anything negative on facebook becase it,s her business but I see her on and she just won't answer so something must be up.
Hey Del, go knock on her door I will go with you....
That :yeah:
and post on fb ask her point blank where it is if she needs a cape there is a buffalo farm right up the road from her in Porter :bash: :bash: :bash:
I'd pay money to see video of you 2 going to her door. Maybe you should take Kevin's kid again like he did.
I can't believe nobody ever posts on her Facebook page. I assume she's just delete it right away anyway.
She probably has it set to "approval" only. So you screen everything and nothing posts or tags you without your approval. I'm thinking lots have probably posted on it and for obvious reasons it doesn't get approved.
Post by: Spuddieselwwu on March 07, 2016, 08:59:13 PM
Post by: sled on March 07, 2016, 09:00:26 PM
I've gotten into it with her on FB before... Every time she posts on the fb page about random things, I hijack the thread and talk about her horrible customer service.hehe
Post by: wildweeds on March 07, 2016, 09:58:38 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 08, 2016, 09:48:58 AM
Del,Ouch! :yike: Now she is not returning calls to those that were once supporters.
I bet you understand it better now. ;)
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,148106.msg1965569.html#msg1965569
I really feel for you guys that have been taken for a ride.
Post by: Band on March 08, 2016, 11:50:24 AM
Same here. This is the taxidermy equivalent of hoping ISIS lets your captive loved one free. Fat chance, no matter what you do.Del,Ouch! :yike: Now she is not returning calls to those that were once supporters.
I bet you understand it better now. ;)
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,148106.msg1965569.html#msg1965569
I really feel for you guys that have been taken for a ride.
It's too bad everyone doesn't do a simple Google search before they put their trophy in the hands of a taxidermist. :bdid:
Post by: buckhorn2 on March 08, 2016, 05:19:47 PM
Post by: The scout on March 08, 2016, 05:24:37 PM
Post by: JBar on March 08, 2016, 06:05:37 PM
Post by: baker5150 on March 08, 2016, 06:19:39 PM
Taking money and promising delivery of a product and not delivering the product is called theft. I would have her in small claims court at the very least. A call to the local LEO could help get things in motion.
If enough legit complaints are filed she can lose her business license as well.
Hate to see it happen, but maybe that's the best thing for her.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 08, 2016, 06:52:09 PM
At this point with some of the timelines given I would think this could end up being criminal.:yeah: this stuff has been going on way too long. This topic has been going on as long as the Bigfoot thread!
Taking money and promising delivery of a product and not delivering the product is called theft. I would have her in small claims court at the very least. A call to the local LEO could help get things in motion.
If enough legit complaints are filed she can lose her business license as well.
Hate to see it happen, but maybe that's the best thing for her.
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 08, 2016, 07:12:29 PM
I put a post on Washington state hunting fb page telling her that people could not reach her.it's pretty funny over on facebook.
She said it is not that hard to get her if you need to. She said to simply call her. :dunno:
Post by: billythekidrock on March 08, 2016, 07:33:44 PM
I id try messaging her many times on facebook but no reply.Tryed on the eye phone but mailbox full. At least I would like the skull back. She even wrote to me a couple years ago and said she had purchased a cape for it as ours was;nt good It was a real big bull it scored like 106 big for a bow. Did,nt want to post anything negative on facebook becase it,s her business but I see her on and she just won't answer so something must be up.
Try posting on the Washington Bear Hunting Facebook page. She is the moderator there. https://www.facebook.com/groups/664242296945519/
Post by: sled on March 08, 2016, 07:34:40 PM
yeah, it's funny how she brushed it off.I put a post on Washington state hunting fb page telling her that people could not reach her.it's pretty funny over on facebook.
She said it is not that hard to get her if you need to. She said to simply call her. :dunno:
Post by: billythekidrock on March 08, 2016, 07:37:29 PM
Del,
I bet you understand it better now. ;)
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,148106.msg1965569.html#msg1965569
Oh no :chuckle:
LOL Oops. Someone spoke too soon.
Post by: Taco280AI on March 08, 2016, 09:26:06 PM
If she doesn't want to contact you, doesn't want to finish your work, doesn't want to refund you, and only wants to take your money do something about it.
Everyone who let's her get away with it is just setting the next person up for the same thing. Do something about it.
Post by: Gringo31 on March 09, 2016, 07:44:37 AM
IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WHAT YOU ARE DOING ISN'T WORKING :twocents:
Time to try something else...
Post by: luvmystang67 on March 09, 2016, 07:56:53 AM
How are there not yelp, facebook or google reviews for people to share experiences? Are hunters too "mind your own business" to share experiences with others or are these reviews being removed per business request?
I have an experience that I'm happy to share with any customers, but am wary of posting on a public forum with my screen name attached. If anyone would like to PM me that'd be fine. Perhaps I'm part of the problem.
Post by: h20hunter on March 09, 2016, 07:57:48 AM
Post by: Band on March 09, 2016, 12:13:55 PM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 09, 2016, 02:09:16 PM
MichelleNelsonMadoff...'cause she made off with your money and trophies. :dunno:
Theres todays Redneck word of the day :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on March 09, 2016, 02:20:12 PM
MichelleNelsonMadoff...'cause she made off with your money and trophies. :dunno:
Theres todays Redneck word of the day :chuckle:
Did she ever get back to you ?
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 09, 2016, 02:35:42 PM
MichelleNelsonMadoff...'cause she made off with your money and trophies. :dunno:
Theres todays Redneck word of the day :chuckle:
Did she ever get back to you ?
Nope. Shows message received on facebook to. I will just keep calling I guess. I had to call probably 10 times and leave messages the last time over a months period. I gave up and out of the blue a few weeks later she called.
Post by: birddogdad on March 09, 2016, 03:27:55 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on March 09, 2016, 08:36:15 PM
Post by: Bango skank on March 09, 2016, 08:37:08 PM
Michelle has a bear hide of mine as well. Dropped off spring of 2012, it was tanned. I stopped back and choose mounting for a rug.
I Stopped by Michelle's end of December 2014, she advised the hide was in the "wet stage" and ready for the next batch. Sent email May 2015 and was advised again, it was in the next batch. No more contact since, so I stopped by August 2015, she was not there, I left my name and number with her husband (?), asked to have her call. No call back. sent emails and and left messages, no response. I stopped by her house again February 2016, again left message with her husband(?). He said I'll have her call you on Monday. No call back. I have again left a phone message and email. No response. I'd just like the hide back, what ever stage it is in.
wow. this guy dropped off an already tanned hide 4 years ago, and michelle wont even speak to him. thats impressive.
Post by: Timberstalker on March 09, 2016, 08:46:42 PM
I can't seem to turn away.
Post by: Skillet on March 09, 2016, 08:52:42 PM
My personal, unsolicited, worth-what-you-paid-for-it advice to anybody who has work in progress with this shop is to cut your losses and get it back any way you can, in whatever stage it is. Legally, of course - but if enough people demand a sheriff's presence to retreive their property at the same time, they just might get one.
Or, write it off entirely and just let it go.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 09, 2016, 08:59:29 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on March 10, 2016, 01:45:05 AM
Take her to court. Have the small claims judge see a trend for the next batch of people. Have continuous judgements against her. Then get your stuff back and make sure this doesn't keep happening to the next in line. Or just "let it go"
Post by: Skillet on March 10, 2016, 05:36:02 AM
Why would anyone just let it go? That's why so many people are screwed now, because others just let it go.
Take her to court. Have the small claims judge see a trend for the next batch of people. Have continuous judgements against her. Then get your stuff back and make sure this doesn't keep happening to the next in line. Or just "let it go"
First of all, this statement is not even close to the truth. People are screwed because the shop doesn't fulfill promises - not because of other screwed customers' actions. Blaming a guy who doesn't take your advice for another guy's problems with the shop is ridiculous. The fault lies with the shop and shop alone. Your assumption of how many small claims court actions can work to build momentum against a shop in a judge's mind shows you don't fully understand how that works.
Second, if you'd bother to read my whole post instead of getting fired up over the last line, you'd see I advocate for stepping up to the plate, biting the bullet and getting the work out of there by any legal means possible. If someone is going to just sit by quietly, wringing their hands over the money already spent and not be a squeaky wheel as suggested by others, they might as well just forget about the money AND their trophy. Because they will be the last ones to be taken care of, if at all. So, if just hoping that getting along nicely is their only strategy, or they simply don't care enough about that particular piece of work they have in the shop I suggest again they just write it off and let it go. I suspect not every piece that shop has in house is worth the hassle and expense of even a small claims court appearance to its rightful owners. That's for them to decide on their own - not you or anyone else to use to blame them for other people's issues with the shop.
The BBB rating for this shop is currently an F, and is the first thing that pops up on a Google search on the shop's reviews. Any kind of further digging through results shows threads like these. I am a little surprised that given this there is any more worked being dropped off there - but if there is, it sure isn't any of the previous customer's fault.
Post by: Becky on March 10, 2016, 07:31:27 AM
The one with an F rating only has two reviews, there's way more on Hunt WA who have complained than just 2 people. I suggest you guys start taking the reviews to BBB and Yelp and other places than just here or this circle is just going to continue with no resolve.
Post by: HntnFsh on March 10, 2016, 07:36:21 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 10, 2016, 08:01:23 AM
Michelle has a bear hide of mine as well. Dropped off spring of 2012, it was tanned. I stopped back and choose mounting for a rug.
I Stopped by Michelle's end of December 2014, she advised the hide was in the "wet stage" and ready for the next batch. Sent email May 2015 and was advised again, it was in the next batch. No more contact since, so I stopped by August 2015, she was not there, I left my name and number with her husband (?), asked to have her call. No call back. sent emails and and left messages, no response. I stopped by her house again February 2016, again left message with her husband(?). He said I'll have her call you on Monday. No call back. I have again left a phone message and email. No response. I'd just like the hide back, what ever stage it is in.
Why would an already tanned hide be in the "wet stage" at all? Maybe I don't know how it all works, but if the hide is already tanned...isn't it pretty much ready to go?
Post by: Rainier10 on March 10, 2016, 08:55:47 AM
http://www.bbb.org/alaskaoregonwesternwashington/business-reviews/taxidermists/michelle-nelson-taxidermy-in-olympia-wa-22624197'
The one with an F rating only has two reviews, there's way more on Hunt WA who have complained than just 2 people. I suggest you guys start taking the reviews to BBB and Yelp and other places than just here or this circle is just going to continue with no resolve.
Went to the link and it said A+ rating with no comments or complaints. :dunno:
Post by: Curly on March 10, 2016, 09:14:30 AM
http://www.bbb.org/western-washington/business-reviews/taxidermists/michelle-nelson-taxidermy-in-rochester-wa-22567393/
Post by: luvmystang67 on March 10, 2016, 09:25:38 AM
Post by: Becky on March 10, 2016, 09:29:33 AM
http://www.bbb.org/alaskaoregonwesternwashington/business-reviews/taxidermists/michelle-nelson-taxidermy-in-olympia-wa-22624197'
The one with an F rating only has two reviews, there's way more on Hunt WA who have complained than just 2 people. I suggest you guys start taking the reviews to BBB and Yelp and other places than just here or this circle is just going to continue with no resolve.
Went to the link and it said A+ rating with no comments or complaints. :dunno:
Yea that was my point, sorry I should have been clearer. There's 2 pages for her so technically someone could happen upon the A+ rated one, and even the one with the F rating only has 2 reviews.
Post by: emac on March 10, 2016, 09:34:32 AM
I may be off but I do believe they re-hydrate them so they are easier to work with and get the stretch back in them. So I would imagine that is what the wet stage is.Michelle has a bear hide of mine as well. Dropped off spring of 2012, it was tanned. I stopped back and choose mounting for a rug.
I Stopped by Michelle's end of December 2014, she advised the hide was in the "wet stage" and ready for the next batch. Sent email May 2015 and was advised again, it was in the next batch. No more contact since, so I stopped by August 2015, she was not there, I left my name and number with her husband (?), asked to have her call. No call back. sent emails and and left messages, no response. I stopped by her house again February 2016, again left message with her husband(?). He said I'll have her call you on Monday. No call back. I have again left a phone message and email. No response. I'd just like the hide back, what ever stage it is in.
Why would an already tanned hide be in the "wet stage" at all? Maybe I don't know how it all works, but if the hide is already tanned...isn't it pretty much ready to go?
I just learned how to do a pheasant and that was part of the process.
Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk
Post by: jackelope on March 10, 2016, 10:00:15 AM
For whatever it's worth, she's definitely ignoring messages she gets on Facebook as well, so that apparently does no good either.
Post by: h20hunter on March 10, 2016, 10:31:54 AM
If you have a trophy with her I would strongly suggest you get your stuff back, kiss your deposit goodbye, and find a reputable taxidermist finish the job. The fact that she ignores clients, brags about delaying work, lost her moderator status here for deleting threads just like this one shows her character.
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 10, 2016, 03:33:23 PM
Post by: h20hunter on March 10, 2016, 03:36:55 PM
Post by: Bob33 on March 10, 2016, 04:07:47 PM
http://research.lawyers.com/washington/wa-collecting-the-judgment.html
Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2016, 08:23:32 PM
Post by: runamuk on March 10, 2016, 08:37:11 PM
Anyone ever wonder why she left Florida?
I thought it was Georgia :dunno:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 10, 2016, 08:44:29 PM
Anyone ever wonder why she left Florida?
I thought it was Georgia :dunno:
North Port, Florida........
Post by: 92xj on March 10, 2016, 08:48:35 PM
Post by: Wazukie on March 10, 2016, 08:59:15 PM
Post by: Becky on March 10, 2016, 09:01:23 PM
I just did a google search on this business and found it interesting that the only place I could even find a review was right here. Even the BBB gives it an A+ rating. Also interesting that our own BearPaw endorses the business by advertising for it. :dunno:She was removed from advertisements and site ad sponsorships a long time ago.
Post by: Wazukie on March 10, 2016, 09:03:26 PM
Post by: Becky on March 10, 2016, 09:06:37 PM
I didn't say that Hunt-Wa endorsed her, I said that BearPaw Outfitters did and I'm pretty sure that they are one in the same, but then again, I could be wrong.Bearpaw/Dale does own hunt WA.. what exactly do you mean he endorses her then? Previously before issues were known she was a moderator and advertised here but since all the issues and bad reviews she was removed.
*Just seen his website, looks like it hasn't been updated in a long time. I'm not sure he even knows that link is still there :chuckle: :dunno:
Post by: Wazukie on March 10, 2016, 09:11:05 PM
Post by: bearpaw on March 10, 2016, 09:23:10 PM
I didn't say that Hunt-Wa endorsed her, I said that BearPaw Outfitters did and I'm pretty sure that they are one in the same, but then again, I could be wrong.Bearpaw/Dale does own hunt WA.. what exactly do you mean he endorses her then? Previously before issues were known she was a moderator and advertised here but since all the issues and bad reviews she was removed.
*Just seen his website, looks like it hasn't been updated in a long time. I'm not sure he even knows that link is still there :chuckle: :dunno:
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I didn't realize that link was still there. I can assure you that after the experience my hunters had with MNT I do not endorse her. I will get that removed asap, thanks again. :tup:
Post by: Wazukie on March 10, 2016, 09:28:13 PM
Post by: Becky on March 10, 2016, 09:37:11 PM
I figured that was the case Dale, I was just saying :tup: Got's to update the site every now and again I reckon. Still interesting that this is the only place that I see any kind of review.If you're quick and view her Facebook page you'll see reviews once in a while... then some seem to disappear :dunno:
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1676859215860049&id=100006079604573&set=o.1377723129217660
I find it strange that's one of the first business pages that doesn't have an option to review. Usually there's a star rating 1-5 system.
Post by: Lucky1 on March 10, 2016, 10:08:09 PM
I just did a google search on this business and found it interesting that the only place I could even find a review was right here. Even the BBB gives it an A+ rating. Also interesting that our own BearPaw endorses the business by advertising for it. :dunno:The BBB rating is interesting. Evidently her dissatisfied customers are not filing complaints with them. If she is a member of BBB they will work with both parties to resolve the issues.
Post by: Taco280AI on March 10, 2016, 11:28:19 PM
Problem is you can't get in contact with her to even get your stuff back. I tried calling again today and left a message. I have tried 3 times now in a week to contact her with no response. I would gladly take my animal back at this point and eat the 400 deposit I gave her just can't seem to reach her. I'm sure a lot of the problem is she spends the deposits and then has to wait for someone else to bring some money in to get previous clients work done.
That is my point there, from previous posts. She will not quit doing this if people let her get away with it. If they let her just keep $400 at a time. There is no reason, other than ethics which obviously don't apply to her, for her to change.
Give her money and animal, don't see either back... Make a few dozen calls, and then just want the animal back and keep the money. Sounds like a steady income for her.
I blame her for theft and fraud but also blame customers for not pursuing further action that allows to to keep doing it. :twocents:
That's all, I'm out.
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 11, 2016, 07:40:03 AM
Anyone ever wonder why she left Florida?
MNT is like the Terrell Owens of Taxidermy. Wherever it goes, drama is soon to follow.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 11, 2016, 08:34:24 AM
I just did a google search on this business and found it interesting that the only place I could even find a review was right here. Even the BBB gives it an A+ rating. Also interesting that our own BearPaw endorses the business by advertising for it. :dunno:The BBB rating is interesting. Evidently her dissatisfied customers are not filing complaints with them. If she is a member of BBB they will work with both parties to resolve the issues.
She has an F rating at current address BBB but had an A+ in her old Olympia address and this one shows up first on google. I just filed a heads up complaint through that one to point potential victims to the current info.
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 11, 2016, 09:36:27 AM
Post by: buckhorn2 on March 11, 2016, 10:03:13 AM
Post by: Spuddieselwwu on March 11, 2016, 10:37:51 AM
Let me know how that goes my fingers are sore from messaging her I am not a person who gets riled up very easy but feel something coming on. If anyone does get a message through to her let me know. :bash:
Have you tried messaging the FB page "Washington Bear Hunting?" She's an admin on there - and is very active on it.
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 11, 2016, 11:18:52 AM
Let me know how that goes my fingers are sore from messaging her I am not a person who gets riled up very easy but feel something coming on. If anyone does get a message through to her let me know. :bash:
Have you tried messaging the FB page "Washington Bear Hunting?" She's an admin on there - and is very active on it.
I didn't try that yet however I tried her taxidermy page twice and it shows you if she has read the messages or not. She's read mine and still will not make contact. I have also been leaving voicemails the last week in a half or so with no response.
Post by: h20hunter on March 11, 2016, 11:45:50 AM
Post by: jkthomps on March 11, 2016, 02:11:22 PM
According to facebook she replies with in minutes...
Post by: Bob33 on March 11, 2016, 02:45:04 PM
- Complaining about her on Hunt WA. She hasn't been active on here for weeks and may never again.
- Leaving phone messages for her and expecting her to return the call.
- Leaving Facebook messages.
If you have overdue work with her, you will be ignored. She's made it abundantly clear that is her modus operandi.
"Insanity" - doing the same thing over and over, and expecting results to be different.
I'd be looking at different alternatives: legal actions and trying to get law enforcement involved are two things I would explore. :twocents:
Post by: sirmissalot on March 11, 2016, 03:02:46 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 11, 2016, 04:55:33 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 11, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
That lady must have about 5 acres worth of freezers to keep that many years worth of hides in! :chuckle:
This made me laugh because last I saw, she only had a tiny chest freezer. I was always telling her to get a bigger one but she wouldn't.
Post by: sled on March 11, 2016, 05:53:12 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 11, 2016, 05:58:57 PM
As moderator on the FB page I doubt she will allow anulything negative to be posted about her.
She left a post from me up telling her to contact such and such about so and so's elk. But she posted back that I could private message her about her personal business. Probably gone now though.
Post by: Becky on March 11, 2016, 06:24:09 PM
The most recent Facebook thread is now deleted. Boooo....I think it was only left up because she had a few people agreeing with her... his bear was dropped off in 2009!!
Post by: jackelope on March 11, 2016, 07:55:11 PM
Sure is.
Was it you that started it originally?
Post by: skagitsteel on March 11, 2016, 11:40:18 PM
Post by: skagitsteel on March 11, 2016, 11:42:10 PM
Post by: BigD on March 12, 2016, 12:22:30 AM
Post by: Wea300mag on March 12, 2016, 07:02:56 AM
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on March 12, 2016, 07:11:06 AM
For what it is worth the rug turned out nice except some permanent creases from it being folded for close to 3 years. She has a room full of tanned hides stacked to the ceiling she isn't working on.
Post by: bearpaw on March 12, 2016, 07:17:33 AM
About 30 years ago a very well known taxidermist in Spokane closed shop and disappeared. Many hunters lost their trophies, bucks, bears, alaskan, african, you name it! This really happened!
I Would Be Concerned!
With so many people not getting their mounts I would strongly suggest that you folks who cannot get a reply back from Michelle should go see Michelle and either get a satisfactory reply in person or get your trophies. She moved before, with so many hunters not getting their mounts and no answer or reply from her, what if she moves again? I have refrained from this type of comment because I do not like to cause trouble, but I am increasingly concerned after hearing so many people are still waiting and cannot get a reply!
Post by: billythekidrock on March 12, 2016, 07:35:14 AM
I had the same dealings many of you have had, I decided to just show up and politely demand my cape and antlers back. Ended up talking with whom I assume was her husband, and he seemed like a stand up dude, he made arrangements and I had my items back the next day. I would highly recommend just showing up to claim your stuff or you may never get it back.
Yes, he is a stand up guy And for the record, other than being her husband he has absolutely zero to do with her taxidermy business. He is not a hunter and is not really interested in the outdoors. Unfortunately it sounds like he is the one dealing with most of the disgruntled customers.
Post by: HntnFsh on March 12, 2016, 07:37:00 AM
Post by: BNAElkhntr on March 12, 2016, 07:43:13 AM
I had the same dealings many of you have had, I decided to just show up and politely demand my cape and antlers back. Ended up talking with whom I assume was her husband, and he seemed like a stand up dude, he made arrangements and I had my items back the next day. I would highly recommend just showing up to claim your stuff or you may never get it back.
I'd Second This, Although I didn't Lose my trophies only a crap load of money When Cascade went out of Business I wish now I had kept up and headed the Warnings!
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 12, 2016, 09:28:15 AM
Post by: sled on March 12, 2016, 09:36:17 AM
yes, I did but didn't mean to start a s storm. I've seen her post on there and figured she would see it for sure since she doesn't come on here anymore.Sure is.
Was it you that started it originally?
Post by: sled on March 12, 2016, 09:39:30 AM
True Story
About 30 years ago a very well known taxidermist in Spokane closed shop and disappeared. Many hunters lost their trophies, bucks, bears, alaskan, african, you name it! This really happened!
I Would Be Concerned!
With so many people not getting their mounts I would strongly suggest that you folks who cannot get a reply back from Michelle should go see Michelle and either get a satisfactory reply in person or get your trophies. She moved before, with so many hunters not getting their mounts and no answer or reply from her, what if she moves again? I have refrained from this type of comment because I do not like to cause trouble, but I am increasingly concerned after hearing so many people are still waiting and cannot get a reply! Solid advise there
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 12, 2016, 09:42:37 AM
Post by: sled on March 12, 2016, 09:59:39 AM
I just left another message with her myself. Told her if I do not hear back soon I'm going to do whatever I have to in order to get my deer back.. I would take the above advice. Got there and get your animal back. I'd hate to hear that everyone lost their animals if she bails. From what I've read it sounds like she could be the kind of person that says the hell with it and takes off!
Post by: JakeLand on March 12, 2016, 10:59:49 AM
I had the same dealings many of you have had, I decided to just show up and politely demand my cape and antlers back. Ended up talking with whom I assume was her husband, and he seemed like a stand up dude, he made arrangements and I had my items back the next day. I would highly recommend just showing up to claim your stuff or you may never get it back.
I'd Second This, Although I didn't Lose my trophies only a crap load of money When Cascade went out of Business I wish now I had kept up and headed the Warnings!
Where was cascade taxidermy located?
Post by: Bean Counter on March 12, 2016, 11:34:49 AM
Post by: JakeLand on March 12, 2016, 11:56:25 AM
Puyallup.
There was a cascade taxidermy up her in sultan years ago and they disappeared and a lot of un happy customers there too hmmmm one in the same or ??? I've had Moro taxidermy do my work and Sean is always upfront about everything and does good work
Post by: skagitsteel on March 12, 2016, 12:51:11 PM
Seriously though. Everyone with an animal there you want to get back we should all get together and plan a day to truck down there and camp in her driveway until things are worked out. If anyone's interested pm me and we will make a trip down there.
I am limited in time to drive all the way down there, but would be interested.
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 12, 2016, 01:08:21 PM
Seriously though. Everyone with an animal there you want to get back we should all get together and plan a day to truck down there and camp in her driveway until things are worked out. If anyone's interested pm me and we will make a trip down there.
I am limited in time to drive all the way down there, but would be interested.
I usually have one day a weekend I can do it on. If you come up with a day you know you will be free let me know.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 12, 2016, 01:14:47 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on March 12, 2016, 01:21:45 PM
Seriously though. Everyone with an animal there you want to get back we should all get together and plan a day to truck down there and camp in her driveway until things are worked out. If anyone's interested pm me and we will make a trip down there.
I am limited in time to drive all the way down there, but would be interested.
I usually have one day a weekend I can do it on. If you come up with a day you know you will be free let me know.
Just be cautious. With too big of a group the rhetoric and actions can escalate and turn out not as you planned.
It might be better to use small claims court to achive your goals. At some point the sheriffs could be used to help you reclaim your goods, versus telling a group of you to leave her property.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 12, 2016, 02:21:31 PM
Post by: skagitsteel on March 12, 2016, 02:35:22 PM
Post by: PolarBear on March 12, 2016, 02:36:43 PM
Better make sure you are legal on what you intend to do ..Going somewhere in a group without proper paper work may end up in trespassing and harassment ! Just saying ! I know where you are coming from but unfortunately it doesn't work that way !:yeah:
Post by: The scout on March 12, 2016, 02:46:42 PM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 12, 2016, 02:51:48 PM
I'm not interested in starting anything and don't want to go as a big group, just want to get my hide back. If I can carpool with someone to make it happen, then great. I wouldn't go without notifying her first and making arrangements to pick it up
My exact intentions as well. It's a haul down there and if a couple of us can get our stuff back then great. Unfortunately I have tried getting ahold of her for going on 2 weeks now and a week straight with no response.
Post by: billythekidrock on March 12, 2016, 02:54:38 PM
Post by: skagitsteel on March 12, 2016, 03:03:57 PM
Seriously though. Everyone with an animal there you want to get back we should all get together and plan a day to truck down there and camp in her driveway until things are worked out. If anyone's interested pm me and we will make a trip down there.
I am limited in time to drive all the way down there, but would be interested.
I usually have one day a weekend I can do it on. If you come up with a day you know you will be free let me know.
Just be cautious. With too big of a group the rhetoric and actions can escalate and turn out not as you planned.
It might be better to use small claims court to achive your goals. At some point the sheriffs could be used to help you reclaim your goods, versus telling a group of you to leave her property.
I accidentally quoted the wrong post in my response. I have no interest in causing a stir or posting up outside her house. I would be happy to ride with someone else or help facilitate a time to try and get my hide back. The only way I'm willing to do this is with a pre arrangement that I'm coming to pick it up. If it works that a few guys can get hides back all at the same time, then great. With all these stories and trouble I have lost faith that it will ever get completed if I just let it be.
Post by: skagitsteel on March 12, 2016, 03:06:59 PM
I'm not interested in starting anything and don't want to go as a big group, just want to get my hide back. If I can carpool with someone to make it happen, then great. I wouldn't go without notifying her first and making arrangements to pick it up
My exact intentions as well. It's a haul down there and if a couple of us can get our stuff back then great. Unfortunately I have tried getting ahold of her for going on 2 weeks now and a week straight with no response.
I have been trying for about 3 months. At different times throughout the process she did actually call back and was courteous, it just seems as if she goes through these phases of total radio silence. I will try again this week as well
Post by: The scout on March 12, 2016, 03:55:27 PM
Post by: Bango skank on March 12, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 12, 2016, 05:16:58 PM
If shes so backlogged how did she have time to send us all game bags? Seems kind of weird :dunno:
Just to set the record straight... I did not receive any bags
Post by: jackelope on March 12, 2016, 05:31:41 PM
If shes so backlogged how did she have time to send us all game bags? Seems kind of weird :dunno:
Just to set the record straight... I did not receive any bags
Oh thank goodness.
Post by: Bango skank on March 12, 2016, 05:33:12 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 12, 2016, 07:39:16 PM
Post by: sled on March 12, 2016, 08:09:53 PM
I didn't get one.probably won't for sure now! Haha
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 12, 2016, 08:26:52 PM
Post by: Bango skank on March 12, 2016, 09:42:10 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 13, 2016, 03:42:16 PM
Nobody wants your dirty bag
:'( what if I don't mail it out for five years? Then would you want it?
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 13, 2016, 11:32:44 PM
Michelle has a bear hide of mine as well. Dropped off spring of 2012, it was tanned. I stopped back and choose mounting for a rug.
I Stopped by Michelle's end of December 2014, she advised the hide was in the "wet stage" and ready for the next batch. Sent email May 2015 and was advised again, it was in the next batch. No more contact since, so I stopped by August 2015, she was not there, I left my name and number with her husband (?), asked to have her call. No call back. sent emails and and left messages, no response. I stopped by her house again February 2016, again left message with her husband(?). He said I'll have her call you on Monday. No call back. I have again left a phone message and email. No response. I'd just like the hide back, what ever stage it is in.
Alpinegus, you sir have posted inaccurate information. I am sure it was intentional considering you were given a copy of the paperwork that YOU signed and received a copy of before leaving. You also were the one that shot these Bears and prepped the hides and froze them before I got them.
You brought in 2 Bears at the same time on 1/28/2012. One was a Black (#238) and had been salted by you and frozen 8 months before I received it (I still have the paperwork for this Bear). The second was a Chocolate(#239) that had been rubbed down with pounds of BORAX and frozen 4 months before I received it. I sent you photos of the slippage on one of the ears. You wanted me to have both of them Dry Tanned. You NEVER brought me any Bears that were already TANNED! ! !
Alpinegus can you please tell me what date you picked up your Dry Tanned Black Bear #238? The one that had a huge scar where the tail was? The Date was 12/10/12, roughly 10 months after dropping it off. At which point you changed the paperwork requesting I do a Rug with the Chocolate Bear#239.
I have never used the term in the "Wet-Stage". That's not even a Taxidermy term. It's referred to has re hydrated, or wet tanned. In your case I would have informed you that the Head on your Bear was re hydrated and that it was in the freezer awaiting the head to be put in.
Now onto the subject of communication. We discussed Felt through E-mail. I asked you to look at my Website and look at the different color options. You chose some colors that were not what normally gets requested for Color Phase Bears. When I was ready to work on the rugging portion of your Bear I went back into my E-mail to get the Colors so I could assemble the Felt. I could not find the E-mail. I sent you an E-mail requesting you send me a copy or again tell me what colors you had chosen (multiple times). I never received a reply. The Last time you came by the house and I wasn't here, you left your contact info. Since then:
On 2/26/16 We called and left another Voice Message asking for the E-mail.
On 2/29/16 we called you again and left a Voice Message asking for the same information.
I am still waiting for a return Phone Call or and E-mail from you containing the information I HAVE NEEDED. It has been 14 Days since you were called the last time asking for the information.
I intentionally blocked out Alpinegus's Name and Personal information along with where he killed the Chocolate Bear #239. Also the majority of the Phone Number. The public has no right to this info and I won't give it out unless Alpinegus posts it first. That is a standard in my shop.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 14, 2016, 12:29:57 AM
I have posted every FB Message / Conversation we have had on FB bellow, so youcan see what i am seeing on my screen. Which has been our main source ( 95% ) of our communication, outside of the day you and your Son dropped off the Bull. This is everything I have received and sent to you since you were here dropping off the Bull. I haven't received anything recently from you. If I had I would have replied. I have always replied to your messages in the past and sent you updates.
I did not know my Inbox on Hunting Washington was full. I don't think it has ever been full. I guess I am use to having unlimited room as a mod. Didn't even think about it. This is the first I knew about it being full. I will work on going through some of the messages and getting them cleared out. Though I do not get on here often to check them.
You said you've tried calling and that my Voice Mail was full. I do not remember exactly what month it was. It was probably between October and December. My VM was full twice. Two Days and back to back but they were only full for about an hour each day. I hadn't the time the first day to go through all my old Messages and delete them, I went through the new ones and a few old but it wasn't enough. That would have to have been the day you tried to call me. It must have just been that one time (?) because I don't remember seeing any of your Phone Numbers on my caller ID before or after that. :dunno:
I've made multiple Calls and Texts to your Son (who shot the Bull) and he has never returned any of them. I know he runs a fishing/crab operation and totally understand he can be very difficult to get a hold of as a result of being on the Ocean. I've left messages and Texts. I didn't feel the need to call him every day and leave messages because I didn't want to fill up his Voice Mail. Same reasoning for sending him Text's it doesn't fill his Voice Mail.
You guys gave me $300 when you guys dropped off the Bull. I've got roughly $1000 into the mount as of right now. Between the Replacement Cape, Salt, Shipping to and from the Tannery, the Form, and Supplies. That's not including my labor up to this point.
Please tell me why it is I would ignore a message or call from you if I had seen a message or a Call? :dunno: If you would have been able and had left me a Voice Message I would have called you back. I always have in the past. It's not as if the Horns could have fallen apart so there really isn't anything that could have been going on to prevent me from returning the messages. Other than I haven't received any additional FB Messages since I sent you the message about Africa.
08/03/2012 1:08PM
Buckhorn2: are you healing up.
Michelle: Ohh yes.
Buckhorn2: Good that looked like it hurt.
Michelle: It deffinitaly tickled a little. 5 stitches
Buckhorn2: Be careful hunting season coming
Michelle: I know. Not sure I am 100% ready, lol
Michelle: You guys been bear hunting yet?
Buckhorn2: Saw about a 150 pound one up a tree last night we have seen 4 but no shooters yet.
09/23/2012 9:02AM
Buckhorn2: when is your elk hunt.
09/24/2012 3:27PM
Michelle: I don't have one schedualed. I have the Multi Season Tag. Not sure if I am going to get any time to use it.
12/11/2012 5:15PM
Michelle: Howdy
Buckhorn2: How are things
Michelle: Things are going alright.
Buckhorn2: Been some rain over here people out clam digging tonight.
Michelle: I've never been clam digging.
Buckhorn2: more fun in the summer.
Michelle: well I bought a Bison cape a littl while back. Real nice cape. but it is borderline as far as if it will be big enough
Buckhorn2: If not hope Dale comes through.
Michelle: but I talked to another taxidermist a few months ago that has 2 at the tannery. One he thinks might fit the bll. He won't know until he gets them back some time in January
Buckhorn2: Thanks Michelle
Michelle: How old was the bull your son shot?
Buckhorn2: They never said
Michelle: I was guessing between 7 and 9 y/o I just wanted to check and see if they told you.
I measured the neck on your bull and it was 48". The cape I bought is around 48", but whether it stays 48" after it is tanned will be the question. Do you have any pictures of the bull after you killed it that you can E-mail me?
Buckhorn2: I will look.
02/09/2013 5:59PM
Michelle: Hey Del
02/10/2013 8:42AM
Buckhorn2: Hi how you doing did you get over the flu.
02/10/2013 1:10PM
Michelle: Pretty much. Still hacking though.
Michelle: I wanted to give you an update on the bison, but some things may have changed today so I will have to get back to you as soon as I hear back from this other taxidermist. I might have access to 2 more Bison Capes. I know one is roughy the right size but it has a brown head. The other one he said is WAY HUGE (not sure on measurments) but I believe has a black head. Both are mid september capes though.
Michelle: Problem is I think he may have sold one. He sent me a message and I didn't get it til today about someone else being interested in one of them. So I am checking back with him.
02/10/2013 3:46PM
Buckhorn2: Thanks Michelle we know it;s hard for you to find one just wish ours was;nt bad.
Michelle: I wish it wasn't either. It deffinitally would make this a lot easier. I honestly didn't think it was going to be this difficult to find one. Your son asked for one with a black head and I want to do everything I can to find it or him. People that kill big bulls like that tend to want them mounted so there are not a whole lot of capes available. I promise you your cape was in really bad shape from all the rubbing that bull had done. You will be able to see the diference I hope once Your sons bull has a new one. I have 1/2 dozen Cape suppliers on the look out for a Cape. I am also checking the taxidery Clasifieds every few days for listings on capes. One of my main concerns is not getting scammed by someone who claims to have one and I either pay for it and not get one or it end up being junk. If it were just a deer cape and $125 that not a big deal but when we are talking $400-$1000 for a bison cape that a hard leason to learn. Plus I want to find you a quality cape.
01/15/2014 6:06PM
Michelle: Been trying to get ahold of your son. Ive tried calling a couple times and his voice mail is full and wont accept messagesm. Sent him a text and havnt heard from him. Figgure he is busy fishing or crabing. Im ready to get a form ordered I just need to go over poses with him.
01/16/2014 9:22AM
Buckhorn2: He has been out in the ocean crabbing. When he comes in I will have him call you.
01/16/2014 7:09PM
Michelle: Yeah I figured he was busy. No worries. Thanks for letting him know.
02/25/2014 5:47PM
Buckhorn2: Do you ever feel like strangling someone. You control your temper better than I could what an ass hat.
02/26/2014 5:45AM
Michelle: How much proof do I have to post in that thread before people will see the guy is lying? I logged off and I don't have any plans to return until I want to. I can not believe people believed him. Its BS. Trust me it is taking everything g I have not to go on there and cuss him.
BTW, I still have not heard from your son. :) I figgure he is real busy. Don't want to add any undo stress on him.
04/17/2014 9:13PM
Michelle: Want to go to Africa in May 2015?
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 14, 2016, 12:58:36 AM
For what it is worth the rug turned out nice except some permanent creases from it being folded for close to 3 years. She has a room full of tanned hides stacked to the ceiling she isn't working on.
Where exactly did you come up with the 3 year thing? At most your Bear would have been folded for a couple weeks, maybe a couple months depending on how long it took you to come get it after I told you it was done. When I mount is completed the customer is notified with in days. Once a Bear is rehydrated and stretched it is not folded until it has been asembled and finnished out. They lay flat on one of my stretching tables.
I pointed out the creases if there were some when you came and got it. I do it for every customer that has a Bear Rug. Because every Bear Rug gets folded and placed on the Shelf until it is picked up. This is standard practice in every Taxidermy Shop I have been in. How many Shops have room to hang a dozen Bears on there walls along with all the shoulder Mounts?
I also instructed you on how to remove the wrinkles. Did you bother to follow my instructions or did you just hang it up? I told you that you can lay the Bear Flat and place a couple Books or flat items over the crease for a few days to week. Depends on the thickness of the leather on the Bear. That will get rid of the creases. I also instructed you on how to properly hang, care for, and clean your Rug. I also told you of the disclaimer that Bear Rugs are NOT actual RUGS, you can't wash them in the Washing Machine.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 14, 2016, 01:21:21 AM
I would be very interested in hearing your detailed account of the Services you received at my shop on 9/7/11. I remember it pretty clear.
How you were unable to get it to Charlie because he was hunting his Nooksack Elk Tag. How I got a Phone call requesting my services to cape out the Head on your Elk in your Avatar because you we in a bind. NO PROBLEM, bring it right over I'll help you out. Did Charlie have any complaints about the Cape or the job I did capping it out for him? NOPE! I even offered to show you step by step how to do it so that if you were ever in a bind again you could do it. You showed very little interest in learning. :dunno: You were walking around my shop and chatting.
Another thing I remember was my offer to put your cape in my freezer. You lived an hour plus away from Charlie. I offered to hold your Cape in my freezer until Charlie got back from his hunt. That I would deliver your cape to him personally the day he got back. Before you left, you asked me what you owed me for doing all this for you. Do you remember what I charged you? Absolutly NOTHING!
The next day I drove over to Charlies Shop and delivered your cape.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 14, 2016, 01:34:22 AM
squeaky wheel gets the grease - I would be squeakin every week until she delivered or begged me to come and pick it up.
Well depending on when you started squeaking would depend on how long you squeak. You would be told the same thing I tell everyone. Your animal doesn't get worked on until the one in front of it does. I'm not pushing anyone's work ahead of anyone else unless I have a very good reason other than the fact you can't wait in line.
Are you saying that if someone complains that there work isn't done yet that you give your taxidermist permission to bump your stuff back and move theirs ahead? Or does this just apply to everyone else when it doesn't involve you? What do you think other people think about the squeaky wheel idea when it is there mount being pushed back for the squeaker? :dunno:
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 14, 2016, 01:43:28 AM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 14, 2016, 02:20:32 AM
Here is the bottom line for anyone considering taking her future work. I'm a past one time client. Michelle does great work when she feels like putting in time on the work. She is willing to take deposits and work knowing full well she can't meet quoted time frames. She will putt off, postpone, and ignore clients and their work that either irritate, bother, or get on her bad side in anyway. She will further make excuses, pass on the blame, and ignore those who she deems needing ignored. Upon picking up my work she openly bragged about how long she had people's animals as well as the fact that they would not get worked on until she decided she was ready. My own experience resulted in good work that was explained multiple times and in the end rushed to be completed in just the nick of time. I had to stay in constant contact and the entire process was exhausting.
If you have a trophy with her I would strongly suggest you get your stuff back, kiss your deposit goodbye, and find a reputable taxidermist finish the job. The fact that she ignores clients, brags about delaying work, lost her moderator status here for deleting threads just like this one shows her character.
Your full of absolute BS. in everything that you said.
I didn't delete any threads. There is a spot behind the scenes that only Admin and Moderators can access, the Trash Bin. If we remove a thread or post from the main Forum it goes into this area. At that point we can either delete it permanently, or leave it in there for future reference, or we can decide to put it back in the Open Forum.
One of my friends decided it would be funny to start a thread "Asking me to get a hold of him". He thought it was funny. I did too but knew, knowing the dingbats on this site, someone would use it as an excuse to create un-needed drama for Me and the Mods. So I removed it from the Main Forum. In which case it is supposed to go into the area I just talked about. One of the Admin sent me a message asking about a Thread that was deleted. I told them it was in the Trash Bin. They said it wasn't, it had been deleted. I went and checked and it wasn't in there. So someone went in and deleted it permanently. At which point no one can see the content, only that it had existed.
I removed it from the Main Forum and put it in the Trash Bin. That way any of the Admins or Mods that questioned it's removal could see the contents and know that it was justified and if they felt so inclined put it back on the Main Forum. Other than that I have never deleted or modified a thread on this site that a customer started to complain. I challenge any Admin to prove me a liar in this reguard. As a Mod I only had limited power. Even if I had deleted something permanently the Admin could still see that something had been deleted and I believe what the title of the topic was.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 14, 2016, 02:22:50 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on March 14, 2016, 05:23:40 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 14, 2016, 07:05:44 AM
Post by: 92xj on March 14, 2016, 07:16:26 AM
Now, wake up this morning, sit down in front of your phone and call every single one of these people back, ask them what time they would like to don't get their animals and get on with your life. It's pretty easy to get all this talk about you to stop.
Post by: sirmissalot on March 14, 2016, 07:29:14 AM
Post by: Bob33 on March 14, 2016, 07:35:04 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 14, 2016, 07:54:53 AM
Buckhorn2,
I have posted every FB Message / Conversation we have had on FB bellow, so youcan see what i am seeing on my screen. Which has been our main source ( 95% ) of our communication, outside of the day you and your Son dropped off the Bull. This is everything I have received and sent to you since you were here dropping off the Bull. I haven't received anything recently from you. If I had I would have replied. I have always replied to your messages in the past and sent you updates.
I did not know my Inbox on Hunting Washington was full. I don't think it has ever been full. I guess I am use to having unlimited room as a mod. Didn't even think about it. This is the first I knew about it being full. I will work on going through some of the messages and getting them cleared out. Though I do not get on here often to check them.
You said you've tried calling and that my Voice Mail was full. I do not remember exactly what month it was. It was probably between October and December. My VM was full twice. Two Days and back to back but they were only full for about an hour each day. I hadn't the time the first day to go through all my old Messages and delete them, I went through the new ones and a few old but it wasn't enough. That would have to have been the day you tried to call me. It must have just been that one time (?) because I don't remember seeing any of your Phone Numbers on my caller ID before or after that. :dunno:
I've made multiple Calls and Texts to your Son (who shot the Bull) and he has never returned any of them. I know he runs a fishing/crab operation and totally understand he can be very difficult to get a hold of as a result of being on the Ocean. I've left messages and Texts. I didn't feel the need to call him every day and leave messages because I didn't want to fill up his Voice Mail. Same reasoning for sending him Text's it doesn't fill his Voice Mail.
You guys gave me $300 when you guys dropped off the Bull. I've got roughly $1000 into the mount as of right now. Between the Replacement Cape, Salt, Shipping to and from the Tannery, the Form, and Supplies. That's not including my labor up to this point.
Please tell me why it is I would ignore a message or call from you if I had seen a message or a Call? :dunno: If you would have been able and had left me a Voice Message I would have called you back. I always have in the past. It's not as if the Horns could have fallen apart so there really isn't anything that could have been going on to prevent me from returning the messages. Other than I haven't received any additional FB Messages since I sent you the message about Africa.
08/03/2012 1:08PM
Buckhorn2: are you healing up.
Michelle: Ohh yes.
Buckhorn2: Good that looked like it hurt.
Michelle: It deffinitaly tickled a little. 5 stitches
Buckhorn2: Be careful hunting season coming
Michelle: I know. Not sure I am 100% ready, lol
Michelle: You guys been bear hunting yet?
Buckhorn2: Saw about a 150 pound one up a tree last night we have seen 4 but no shooters yet.
09/23/2012 9:02AM
Buckhorn2: when is your elk hunt.
09/24/2012 3:27PM
Michelle: I don't have one schedualed. I have the Multi Season Tag. Not sure if I am going to get any time to use it.
12/11/2012 5:15PM
Michelle: Howdy
Buckhorn2: How are things
Michelle: Things are going alright.
Buckhorn2: Been some rain over here people out clam digging tonight.
Michelle: I've never been clam digging.
Buckhorn2: more fun in the summer.
Michelle: well I bought a Bison cape a littl while back. Real nice cape. but it is borderline as far as if it will be big enough
Buckhorn2: If not hope Dale comes through.
Michelle: but I talked to another taxidermist a few months ago that has 2 at the tannery. One he thinks might fit the bll. He won't know until he gets them back some time in January
Buckhorn2: Thanks Michelle
Michelle: How old was the bull your son shot?
Buckhorn2: They never said
Michelle: I was guessing between 7 and 9 y/o I just wanted to check and see if they told you.
I measured the neck on your bull and it was 48". The cape I bought is around 48", but whether it stays 48" after it is tanned will be the question. Do you have any pictures of the bull after you killed it that you can E-mail me?
Buckhorn2: I will look.
02/09/2013 5:59PM
Michelle: Hey Del
02/10/2013 8:42AM
Buckhorn2: Hi how you doing did you get over the flu.
02/10/2013 1:10PM
Michelle: Pretty much. Still hacking though.
Michelle: I wanted to give you an update on the bison, but some things may have changed today so I will have to get back to you as soon as I hear back from this other taxidermist. I might have access to 2 more Bison Capes. I know one is roughy the right size but it has a brown head. The other one he said is WAY HUGE (not sure on measurments) but I believe has a black head. Both are mid september capes though.
Michelle: Problem is I think he may have sold one. He sent me a message and I didn't get it til today about someone else being interested in one of them. So I am checking back with him.
02/10/2013 3:46PM
Buckhorn2: Thanks Michelle we know it;s hard for you to find one just wish ours was;nt bad.
Michelle: I wish it wasn't either. It deffinitally would make this a lot easier. I honestly didn't think it was going to be this difficult to find one. Your son asked for one with a black head and I want to do everything I can to find it or him. People that kill big bulls like that tend to want them mounted so there are not a whole lot of capes available. I promise you your cape was in really bad shape from all the rubbing that bull had done. You will be able to see the diference I hope once Your sons bull has a new one. I have 1/2 dozen Cape suppliers on the look out for a Cape. I am also checking the taxidery Clasifieds every few days for listings on capes. One of my main concerns is not getting scammed by someone who claims to have one and I either pay for it and not get one or it end up being junk. If it were just a deer cape and $125 that not a big deal but when we are talking $400-$1000 for a bison cape that a hard leason to learn. Plus I want to find you a quality cape.
01/15/2014 6:06PM
Michelle: Been trying to get ahold of your son. Ive tried calling a couple times and his voice mail is full and wont accept messagesm. Sent him a text and havnt heard from him. Figgure he is busy fishing or crabing. Im ready to get a form ordered I just need to go over poses with him.
01/16/2014 9:22AM
Buckhorn2: He has been out in the ocean crabbing. When he comes in I will have him call you.
01/16/2014 7:09PM
Michelle: Yeah I figured he was busy. No worries. Thanks for letting him know.
02/25/2014 5:47PM
Buckhorn2: Do you ever feel like strangling someone. You control your temper better than I could what an ass hat.
02/26/2014 5:45AM
Michelle: How much proof do I have to post in that thread before people will see the guy is lying? I logged off and I don't have any plans to return until I want to. I can not believe people believed him. Its BS. Trust me it is taking everything g I have not to go on there and cuss him.
BTW, I still have not heard from your son. :) I figgure he is real busy. Don't want to add any undo stress on him.
04/17/2014 9:13PM
Michelle: Want to go to Africa in May 2015?
You can say you didn't get any messages from Del, which I doubt to be the case, but I know for sure you got messages from me telling you he was looking to speak with you since at least March 6th. Did you acknowledge any of those messages I sent and call him or message him back?
What about the messages you received from 180-Grain? Facebook and voicemails? Surely you got those?
Post by: h20hunter on March 14, 2016, 08:31:05 AM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 14, 2016, 08:55:52 AM
Buckhorn2,
I have posted every FB Message / Conversation we have had on FB bellow, so youcan see what i am seeing on my screen. Which has been our main source ( 95% ) of our communication, outside of the day you and your Son dropped off the Bull. This is everything I have received and sent to you since you were here dropping off the Bull. I haven't received anything recently from you. If I had I would have replied. I have always replied to your messages in the past and sent you updates.
I did not know my Inbox on Hunting Washington was full. I don't think it has ever been full. I guess I am use to having unlimited room as a mod. Didn't even think about it. This is the first I knew about it being full. I will work on going through some of the messages and getting them cleared out. Though I do not get on here often to check them.
You said you've tried calling and that my Voice Mail was full. I do not remember exactly what month it was. It was probably between October and December. My VM was full twice. Two Days and back to back but they were only full for about an hour each day. I hadn't the time the first day to go through all my old Messages and delete them, I went through the new ones and a few old but it wasn't enough. That would have to have been the day you tried to call me. It must have just been that one time (?) because I don't remember seeing any of your Phone Numbers on my caller ID before or after that. :dunno:
I've made multiple Calls and Texts to your Son (who shot the Bull) and he has never returned any of them. I know he runs a fishing/crab operation and totally understand he can be very difficult to get a hold of as a result of being on the Ocean. I've left messages and Texts. I didn't feel the need to call him every day and leave messages because I didn't want to fill up his Voice Mail. Same reasoning for sending him Text's it doesn't fill his Voice Mail.
You guys gave me $300 when you guys dropped off the Bull. I've got roughly $1000 into the mount as of right now. Between the Replacement Cape, Salt, Shipping to and from the Tannery, the Form, and Supplies. That's not including my labor up to this point.
Please tell me why it is I would ignore a message or call from you if I had seen a message or a Call? :dunno: If you would have been able and had left me a Voice Message I would have called you back. I always have in the past. It's not as if the Horns could have fallen apart so there really isn't anything that could have been going on to prevent me from returning the messages. Other than I haven't received any additional FB Messages since I sent you the message about Africa.
08/03/2012 1:08PM
Buckhorn2: are you healing up.
Michelle: Ohh yes.
Buckhorn2: Good that looked like it hurt.
Michelle: It deffinitaly tickled a little. 5 stitches
Buckhorn2: Be careful hunting season coming
Michelle: I know. Not sure I am 100% ready, lol
Michelle: You guys been bear hunting yet?
Buckhorn2: Saw about a 150 pound one up a tree last night we have seen 4 but no shooters yet.
09/23/2012 9:02AM
Buckhorn2: when is your elk hunt.
09/24/2012 3:27PM
Michelle: I don't have one schedualed. I have the Multi Season Tag. Not sure if I am going to get any time to use it.
12/11/2012 5:15PM
Michelle: Howdy
Buckhorn2: How are things
Michelle: Things are going alright.
Buckhorn2: Been some rain over here people out clam digging tonight.
Michelle: I've never been clam digging.
Buckhorn2: more fun in the summer.
Michelle: well I bought a Bison cape a littl while back. Real nice cape. but it is borderline as far as if it will be big enough
Buckhorn2: If not hope Dale comes through.
Michelle: but I talked to another taxidermist a few months ago that has 2 at the tannery. One he thinks might fit the bll. He won't know until he gets them back some time in January
Buckhorn2: Thanks Michelle
Michelle: How old was the bull your son shot?
Buckhorn2: They never said
Michelle: I was guessing between 7 and 9 y/o I just wanted to check and see if they told you.
I measured the neck on your bull and it was 48". The cape I bought is around 48", but whether it stays 48" after it is tanned will be the question. Do you have any pictures of the bull after you killed it that you can E-mail me?
Buckhorn2: I will look.
02/09/2013 5:59PM
Michelle: Hey Del
02/10/2013 8:42AM
Buckhorn2: Hi how you doing did you get over the flu.
02/10/2013 1:10PM
Michelle: Pretty much. Still hacking though.
Michelle: I wanted to give you an update on the bison, but some things may have changed today so I will have to get back to you as soon as I hear back from this other taxidermist. I might have access to 2 more Bison Capes. I know one is roughy the right size but it has a brown head. The other one he said is WAY HUGE (not sure on measurments) but I believe has a black head. Both are mid september capes though.
Michelle: Problem is I think he may have sold one. He sent me a message and I didn't get it til today about someone else being interested in one of them. So I am checking back with him.
02/10/2013 3:46PM
Buckhorn2: Thanks Michelle we know it;s hard for you to find one just wish ours was;nt bad.
Michelle: I wish it wasn't either. It deffinitally would make this a lot easier. I honestly didn't think it was going to be this difficult to find one. Your son asked for one with a black head and I want to do everything I can to find it or him. People that kill big bulls like that tend to want them mounted so there are not a whole lot of capes available. I promise you your cape was in really bad shape from all the rubbing that bull had done. You will be able to see the diference I hope once Your sons bull has a new one. I have 1/2 dozen Cape suppliers on the look out for a Cape. I am also checking the taxidery Clasifieds every few days for listings on capes. One of my main concerns is not getting scammed by someone who claims to have one and I either pay for it and not get one or it end up being junk. If it were just a deer cape and $125 that not a big deal but when we are talking $400-$1000 for a bison cape that a hard leason to learn. Plus I want to find you a quality cape.
01/15/2014 6:06PM
Michelle: Been trying to get ahold of your son. Ive tried calling a couple times and his voice mail is full and wont accept messagesm. Sent him a text and havnt heard from him. Figgure he is busy fishing or crabing. Im ready to get a form ordered I just need to go over poses with him.
01/16/2014 9:22AM
Buckhorn2: He has been out in the ocean crabbing. When he comes in I will have him call you.
01/16/2014 7:09PM
Michelle: Yeah I figured he was busy. No worries. Thanks for letting him know.
02/25/2014 5:47PM
Buckhorn2: Do you ever feel like strangling someone. You control your temper better than I could what an ass hat.
02/26/2014 5:45AM
Michelle: How much proof do I have to post in that thread before people will see the guy is lying? I logged off and I don't have any plans to return until I want to. I can not believe people believed him. Its BS. Trust me it is taking everything g I have not to go on there and cuss him.
BTW, I still have not heard from your son. :) I figgure he is real busy. Don't want to add any undo stress on him.
04/17/2014 9:13PM
Michelle: Want to go to Africa in May 2015?
You can say you didn't get any messages from Del, which I doubt to be the case, but I know for sure you got messages from me telling you he was looking to speak with you since at least March 6th. Did you acknowledge any of those messages I sent and call him or message him back?
What about the messages you received from 180-Grain? Facebook and voicemails? Surely you got those?
:yeah:? I was completely overlooked here. I have left atleast 5 voicemails and 3 facebook messages in the last 2 weeks with no response :dunno: Whats up?
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on March 14, 2016, 09:05:16 AM
And the record is set straight again. Nothing is Michelle Nelson's fault, it's all her customers faults and they lie about everything!!!
:tup: +1 get out while you can.
Post by: jackelope on March 14, 2016, 09:10:37 AM
Thanks.
Post by: luvmystang67 on March 14, 2016, 09:21:53 AM
It's 2:30 am and I am going to bed.
LIES!
Technically it was 2:22....
Post by: Gringo31 on March 14, 2016, 09:44:36 AM
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LIES!
Technically it was 2:22....
:chuckle:
Michelle has never appeared to be in a pinch for getting business. It seems as tho it would be fairly simple for people to come up with some sort of resolution. This might include anything from doing nothing and completing the process already started to meeting up to pick up your capes/mounts as is....to anything in between.
I'd love for this public forum to be an example of this situation being worked out to the satisfaction of the customer. (No, you can't ask for it yesterday) A lot of eyes seem to be on this. For the benefit of all involved, as well as for others who may read this years from now, the quicker there is an agreement the better.
I wish all parties a quick resolution whatever that may be.
Keep us posted. I think the whole real situation will be very clear in 30 days.
:tup:
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 14, 2016, 09:47:53 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 14, 2016, 09:48:28 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on March 14, 2016, 09:48:47 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 14, 2016, 09:55:05 AM
I guess I will check back in 30 days on this one.
That's being pretty eager, don't you think?
Post by: Gringo31 on March 14, 2016, 10:01:09 AM
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Why do you think something that has gone on for years. Will be very clear in 30 days?
Well.....let me try it this way.
There are some customers on here that claim they can't get a hold of her. She has shown some proof of some communication as well as encouraged folks to contact her.
So far, so good!
I think with the attn on communication, 30 days should be enough to get an agreement sorted out with those customers who can't get an answer. If the mods would allow, as well as control the folks piling on, I think customers who are looking for communication can just post they are attempting to get a hold of her, she will then know and it can be followed up with the customer saying an agreement has been made.
In the end, there should be no excuses.
It's my hope that the MNT bashing threads go extinct. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, just saying get it sorted out and only continue to "squeek" if you can't get a reasonable resolution.
Just my .02
Gringo
Post by: Rainier10 on March 14, 2016, 10:12:10 AM
I was assuming Gringo31's comment that it would be very clear in 30 days was hinting that he knew of something that would have this all resolved. By his latest post I am thinking that he is just hopeful that it will be resolved and doesn't have anything concrete saying that it will.I guess I will check back in 30 days on this one.
That's being pretty eager, don't you think?
Post by: Gringo31 on March 14, 2016, 10:48:53 AM
Here is something new to try.....
Get it resolved.
Post by: Timberstalker on March 14, 2016, 11:05:49 AM
Seems like a fair statement.QuoteWhy do you think something that has gone on for years. Will be very clear in 30 days?
Well.....let me try it this way.
There are some customers on here that claim they can't get a hold of her. She has shown some proof of some communication as well as encouraged folks to contact her.
So far, so good!
I think with the attn on communication, 30 days should be enough to get an agreement sorted out with those customers who can't get an answer. If the mods would allow, as well as control the folks piling on, I think customers who are looking for communication can just post they are attempting to get a hold of her, she will then know and it can be followed up with the customer saying an agreement has been made.
In the end, there should be no excuses.
It's my hope that the MNT bashing threads go extinct. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, just saying get it sorted out and only continue to "squeek" if you can't get a reasonable resolution.
Just my .02
Gringo
Post by: HntnFsh on March 14, 2016, 11:14:41 AM
Seems like a fair statement.QuoteWhy do you think something that has gone on for years. Will be very clear in 30 days?
Well.....let me try it this way.
There are some customers on here that claim they can't get a hold of her. She has shown some proof of some communication as well as encouraged folks to contact her.
So far, so good!
I think with the attn on communication, 30 days should be enough to get an agreement sorted out with those customers who can't get an answer. If the mods would allow, as well as control the folks piling on, I think customers who are looking for communication can just post they are attempting to get a hold of her, she will then know and it can be followed up with the customer saying an agreement has been made.
In the end, there should be no excuses.
It's my hope that the MNT bashing threads go extinct. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, just saying get it sorted out and only continue to "squeek" if you can't get a reasonable resolution.
Just my .02
Gringo
I agree. Hopefully everything can be resolved!
Post by: Knocker of rocks on March 14, 2016, 11:46:01 AM
Wack a mole on a forum or social media is never a good method of problem resolution
Post by: luvmystang67 on March 14, 2016, 11:55:35 AM
I also had challenges getting in contact with Michelle to status my items and to talk about options when I deemed it had taken too long. This led to me wanting my things back to take them elsewhere. Getting in contact for this was also somewhat challenging and its an action that I would likely not have taken had there been good communication to begin with earlier on.
That being said and with some perceived communication games aside, when I did get in touch with her she treated me respectfully and fairly. I was also treated fairly with respect do deposits and work done. I was able to get my items back and we both went our ways without issue. I tried to act in a respectful manner as well, even though these actions were taking place due to frustrations I had.
Everyone on both sides of this does need to realize that everyone is human. You are much more likely to come out well on the end if each side gives some compassion to the other.
For those of you looking to get your things back, be kind but direct. Give a little (flexibility and understanding) and be kind. Michelle is a very nice person and I'm confident you'll all receive the kind of resolution you're looking for, although it may take some time. Good luck.
Post by: TheHunt on March 14, 2016, 12:00:59 PM
Post by: HntnFsh on March 14, 2016, 12:08:44 PM
So, in our efforts to be more civil I can say this:
I also had challenges getting in contact with Michelle to status my items and to talk about options when I deemed it had taken too long. This led to me wanting my things back to take them elsewhere. Getting in contact for this was also somewhat challenging and its an action that I would likely not have taken had there been good communication to begin with earlier on.
That being said and with some perceived communication games aside, when I did get in touch with her she treated me respectfully and fairly. I was also treated fairly with respect do deposits and work done. I was able to get my items back and we both went our ways without issue. I tried to act in a respectful manner as well, even though these actions were taking place due to frustrations I had.
Everyone on both sides of this does need to realize that everyone is human. You are much more likely to come out well on the end if each side gives some compassion to the other.
For those of you looking to get your things back, be kind but direct. Give a little (flexibility and understanding) and be kind. Michelle is a very nice person and I'm confident you'll all receive the kind of resolution you're looking for, although it may take some time. Good luck.
Very well put! I agree completely. Ive always gotten better results by being polite and direct. Rather than being rude and condescending..
Post by: cavemann on March 14, 2016, 12:31:55 PM
Post by: westside bull on March 14, 2016, 02:49:43 PM
ITs ALIVE ! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: buckhorn2 on March 14, 2016, 03:09:25 PM
Post by: westside bull on March 14, 2016, 03:42:28 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 14, 2016, 03:50:40 PM
Glad to see you on her Michell The reason I brought the bull to you was because of the work that I saw you have done. Yes my son is hard to get ahold of I just thought when you had it done you would call me. I did message you many times on facebook but somehow did,nt connect. I do have 85 percent hearing loss and talking on the phone is hard I get just every few words/ Glad you have been working on it just excited to see it. My E-mail is deldungey@hotmail.com let me know if I should send money. Hope we can get together so things work out I feel a lot better knowing your on here. DEL
Yes, I remember us discussing your hearing. That is why I've always sent you messages and updates on FB or on here in the past. I don't frequent this site any more. Havn't been on for months. I didn't realize my Inbox was even full. How it got to 138% Full is beyond me.
I know he is difficult to get ahold of. He's out of service a lot when he is working. I try not to leave him to many VM in a short period of time because I don't want to fill his VM. That's why I sent him Text Messages too. If an Emergency comes up Family should be able to leave a message if he is out of service.
I will try sending you a FB Message here this afternoon. Let's see if we can figure out why I havn't gotten your recent messages. I will also put your E-mail on your paperwork so I have it.
Post by: Band on March 14, 2016, 06:42:55 PM
Band,Happy to oblige your request, especially since we need to set the record straight on your claims. My business was with Charlie, NOT with you, and you did not bail ME out of a bind. Per Charlie's standard business practice he had subcontracted with you for his customers to drop off their work to you in his absence for caping and freezer storage until his return. Any favor you did was for him. And I would have to assume that your business arrangement included reimbursement for any work, freezer storage, and delivery on your part. If your efforts did not include compensation, that's on you, not me. Now the record is straight.
I would be very interested in hearing your detailed account of the Services you received at my shop on 9/7/11. I remember it pretty clear.
How you were unable to get it to Charlie because he was hunting his Nooksack Elk Tag. How I got a Phone call requesting my services to cape out the Head on your Elk in your Avatar because you we in a bind. NO PROBLEM, bring it right over I'll help you out. Did Charlie have any complaints about the Cape or the job I did capping it out for him? NOPE! I even offered to show you step by step how to do it so that if you were ever in a bind again you could do it. You showed very little interest in learning. :dunno: You were walking around my shop and chatting.
Another thing I remember was my offer to put your cape in my freezer. You lived an hour plus away from Charlie. I offered to hold your Cape in my freezer until Charlie got back from his hunt. That I would deliver your cape to him personally the day he got back. Before you left, you asked me what you owed me for doing all this for you. Do you remember what I charged you? Absolutly NOTHING!
The next day I drove over to Charlies Shop and delivered your cape.
As for your caping work, no complaints at all. But that is not the point of my weighing in on this topic, is it? The point is that even after I offered some excellent and sorely needed business advice to you (over 2 years ago) in this very topic, you still choose to ignore that advice and carry on with your despicably poor business practices to customer after customer time and again. And then, when among the numerous complaints you find a small inaccuracy, you waste an inordinate amount of time providing more excuses and half truths to try to make it look like your customers are the problem.
Let me just finish with this thought: had I brought my elk to you for the shoulder mount I doubt seriously that I would have it back by now and I would be among the many dissatisfied customers that you have. But unlike so many others I would have taken you to court by now. Hopefully some of these folks will finally decide to take that course so they can get their stuff back and move on with their lives.
Post by: RELV on March 14, 2016, 07:06:21 PM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 14, 2016, 08:01:41 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 14, 2016, 08:21:22 PM
Band,Happy to oblige your request, especially since we need to set the record straight on your claims. My business was with Charlie, NOT with you, and you did not bail ME out of a bind. Per Charlie's standard business practice he had subcontracted with you for his customers to drop off their work to you in his absence for caping and freezer storage until his return. Any favor you did was for him. And I would have to assume that your business arrangement included reimbursement for any work, freezer storage, and delivery on your part. If your efforts did not include compensation, that's on you, not me. Now the record is straight.
I would be very interested in hearing your detailed account of the Services you received at my shop on 9/7/11. I remember it pretty clear.
How you were unable to get it to Charlie because he was hunting his Nooksack Elk Tag. How I got a Phone call requesting my services to cape out the Head on your Elk in your Avatar because you we in a bind. NO PROBLEM, bring it right over I'll help you out. Did Charlie have any complaints about the Cape or the job I did capping it out for him? NOPE! I even offered to show you step by step how to do it so that if you were ever in a bind again you could do it. You showed very little interest in learning. :dunno: You were walking around my shop and chatting.
Another thing I remember was my offer to put your cape in my freezer. You lived an hour plus away from Charlie. I offered to hold your Cape in my freezer until Charlie got back from his hunt. That I would deliver your cape to him personally the day he got back. Before you left, you asked me what you owed me for doing all this for you. Do you remember what I charged you? Absolutly NOTHING!
The next day I drove over to Charlies Shop and delivered your cape.
As for your caping work, no complaints at all. But that is not the point of my weighing in on this topic, is it? The point is that even after I offered some excellent and sorely needed business advice to you (over 2 years ago) in this very topic, you still choose to ignore that advice and carry on with your despicably poor business practices to customer after customer time and again. And then, when among the numerous complaints you find a small inaccuracy, you waste an inordinate amount of time providing more excuses and half truths to try to make it look like your customers are the problem.
Let me just finish with this thought: had I brought my elk to you for the shoulder mount I doubt seriously that I would have it back by now and I would be among the many dissatisfied customers that you have. But unlike so many others I would have taken you to court by now. Hopefully some of these folks will finally decide to take that course so they can get their stuff back and move on with their lives.
You haven't set any records straight. They were correct to begin with. I am better aware of any agreement between Charlie and I than you are. I am not Charlies "Shop Sitter" and he didn't "contract" with me to cape or store anything before he left on his hunt. He has a wife that is fully capable of putting stuff in the freezer for him. He also knows if he needs something short notice I'm here to help. I have also only caped and stored one item for him. That was your Bull. Feel free to inquire with him.
You were planning to take your Elk Cape with you when I put the offer on the table to hold and deliver it to him to help you out by not having to make another long trip back down to his shop to drop it off.
If it was his responsibility to compensate me why did you ask how much you owed before leaving?
Post by: Knocker of rocks on March 14, 2016, 08:25:39 PM
Band,Happy to oblige your request, especially since we need to set the record straight on your claims. My business was with Charlie, NOT with you, and you did not bail ME out of a bind. Per Charlie's standard business practice he had subcontracted with you for his customers to drop off their work to you in his absence for caping and freezer storage until his return. Any favor you did was for him. And I would have to assume that your business arrangement included reimbursement for any work, freezer storage, and delivery on your part. If your efforts did not include compensation, that's on you, not me. Now the record is straight.
I would be very interested in hearing your detailed account of the Services you received at my shop on 9/7/11. I remember it pretty clear.
How you were unable to get it to Charlie because he was hunting his Nooksack Elk Tag. How I got a Phone call requesting my services to cape out the Head on your Elk in your Avatar because you we in a bind. NO PROBLEM, bring it right over I'll help you out. Did Charlie have any complaints about the Cape or the job I did capping it out for him? NOPE! I even offered to show you step by step how to do it so that if you were ever in a bind again you could do it. You showed very little interest in learning. :dunno: You were walking around my shop and chatting.
Another thing I remember was my offer to put your cape in my freezer. You lived an hour plus away from Charlie. I offered to hold your Cape in my freezer until Charlie got back from his hunt. That I would deliver your cape to him personally the day he got back. Before you left, you asked me what you owed me for doing all this for you. Do you remember what I charged you? Absolutly NOTHING!
The next day I drove over to Charlies Shop and delivered your cape.
As for your caping work, no complaints at all. But that is not the point of my weighing in on this topic, is it? The point is that even after I offered some excellent and sorely needed business advice to you (over 2 years ago) in this very topic, you still choose to ignore that advice and carry on with your despicably poor business practices to customer after customer time and again. And then, when among the numerous complaints you find a small inaccuracy, you waste an inordinate amount of time providing more excuses and half truths to try to make it look like your customers are the problem.
Let me just finish with this thought: had I brought my elk to you for the shoulder mount I doubt seriously that I would have it back by now and I would be among the many dissatisfied customers that you have. But unlike so many others I would have taken you to court by now. Hopefully some of these folks will finally decide to take that course so they can get their stuff back and move on with their lives.
You haven't set any records straight. They were correct to begin with. I am better aware of any agreement between Charlie and I than you are. I am not Charlies "Shop Sitter" and he didn't "contract" with me to cape or store anything before he left on his hunt. He has a wife that is fully capable of putting stuff in the freezer for him. He also knows if he needs something short notice I'm here to help. I have also only caped and stored one item for him. That was your Bull. Feel free to inquire with him.
You were planning to take your Elk Cape with you when I put the offer on the table to hold and deliver it to him to help you out by not having to make another long trip back down to his shop to drop it off.
If it was his responsibility to compensate me why did you ask how much you owed before leaving?
Stop playing wack a mole, you would be doing yourself an incredible favor.
Post by: Band on March 14, 2016, 08:31:38 PM
Now, instead of wasting more time responding to me, spend a minute answering 180-GRAIN's request and give him his deer back.
Post by: skagitsteel on March 14, 2016, 09:04:00 PM
I'll let the folks reading this be the judge of how truthful you are. As I told you back in 2014, credibility is extraordinarily important, particularly for a business owner. You've shown you'll never "get" that.
Now, instead of wasting more time responding to me, spend a minute answering 180-GRAIN's request and give him his deer back.
Or my 2012 bear? I am anxious to get it finished, its been 3 years and 4 months, with an original estimated completion of 18 months. If it could be 100% completed within the next two months I would be willing to wait for it one last time. If it going to be another 3 months, 6 months or longer I want to come pick it up and take it elsewhere to be completed.
Post by: Gringo31 on March 15, 2016, 09:37:10 AM
Then we can have them checked off as Michelle gets back to them...
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 15, 2016, 09:49:03 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on March 15, 2016, 11:52:19 AM
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This is getting beyond frustrating at this point. There is absolutely no denying she didn't see myself and atleast skagitsteel trying to get ahold of her on this post in itself. Let alone voicemails and facebook messages that I was told by other members on here she said she received. Its obvious to me she is dodging a couple of us for no reason other than she wants nothing to do with us or shes covering something up. My wife dam near has me talked into getting something started legally to get this situation handled, my patients have been worn pretty thin with this situation. I keep giving Michelle the benefit of the doubt because we have done good business in the past. I don't know how much longer I will be able to hold out before I reach the breaking point and move on this.
There is a "hide" feature on Hunt Wa, so I quoted it to remove the chance that that is the case....
Post by: Band on March 15, 2016, 11:53:52 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on March 15, 2016, 03:35:48 PM
I'd love to allow this time and space for Michelle to address these things, come up to an agreement and settle up. It's not like it's going away. Hoping this is seen as a gift to move forward with everyone feeling a bit better (future customers included)
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 16, 2016, 09:48:13 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on March 16, 2016, 09:51:17 AM
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Just an update Michelle made contact with me last night on facebook
:tup: :tup: :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on March 16, 2016, 10:26:41 AM
Before we get too nasty....
I'd love to allow this time and space for Michelle to address these things, come up to an agreement and settle up. It's not like it's going away. Hoping this is seen as a gift to move forward with everyone feeling a bit better (future customers included)
Thank you for being level headed. There's nothing I would rather see than for Michelle to make good with everyone and be able to build her business. I am an optimist and want to hope for the best for everyone involved.
Glad to hear she is communicating with 180-grain, I hope that communication occurs with everyone involved! :tup:
Post by: buckhorn2 on March 16, 2016, 10:33:57 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on March 16, 2016, 10:39:44 AM
Is there anyone one here that has still hasn't been able to contact her or that she hasn't contacted?
Post by: skagitsteel on March 16, 2016, 11:38:59 AM
Progress!
Is there anyone one here that has still hasn't been able to contact her or that she hasn't contacted?
Not yet for me. I am sending an email today
Post by: skagitsteel on March 20, 2016, 12:58:36 PM
Progress!
Is there anyone one here that has still hasn't been able to contact her or that she hasn't contacted?
Not yet for me. I am sending an email today
Another voicemail, an email and a hunt wa message..... Still no response
Post by: jackelope on March 20, 2016, 03:25:50 PM
Progress!
Is there anyone one here that has still hasn't been able to contact her or that she hasn't contacted?
Not yet for me. I am sending an email today
Another voicemail, an email and a hunt wa message..... Still no response
Are you on Facebook? She seems pretty responsive there.
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 21, 2016, 07:56:17 AM
Progress!
Is there anyone one here that has still hasn't been able to contact her or that she hasn't contacted?
Not yet for me. I am sending an email today
Another voicemail, an email and a hunt wa message..... Still no response
Maybe she went out of town again? That was what I was told when she finally got back to me. She had been out of town for 2 weeks.
Post by: Gringo31 on March 21, 2016, 08:11:04 AM
Post by: Skunk Trapper on March 21, 2016, 07:38:48 PM
Post by: skagitsteel on March 21, 2016, 08:27:14 PM
Progress!
Is there anyone one here that has still hasn't been able to contact her or that she hasn't contacted?
Not yet for me. I am sending an email today
Another voicemail, an email and a hunt wa message..... Still no response
Maybe she went out of town again? That was what I was told when she finally got back to me. She had been out of town for 2 weeks.
Yeah I don't know..... 3 months of just trying to get an update. Facebook didn't get a response either, atleast not yet.
Post by: skagitsteel on March 31, 2016, 09:16:46 PM
Post by: Elkrunner on April 01, 2016, 06:44:41 AM
Post by: hiway_99 on April 01, 2016, 07:05:59 AM
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Post by: skagitsteel on April 01, 2016, 07:22:37 AM
I would also send a certified letter to her. That way she has to sign for the letter. And you get a receipt from the post office that she signed and received the letter.
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That's a good idea. I have no desire to use the legal action option, but once I start it there will be a cost associated and I will have to follow through with it in attempt to recover the legal fees. At this point I'm still hoping she gets in touch with me and straightens things out before I have to do anything further.
Post by: Gringo31 on April 01, 2016, 09:31:44 AM
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At this point I'm still hoping she gets in touch with me and straightens things out before I have to do anything further.
Me too!
If anyone is in touch with her and can remind her to try and get back to this customer.....that would be great.
Post by: Bob33 on April 01, 2016, 09:34:13 AM
Well 3 emails, 2 Facebook, hunt wa message, 7 voicemails and still no response :bash: I must say this is getting beyond frustrating. In my last email I gave her a deadline of next Monday to contact me with a firm timeline on when my bear would be completed before I consult legal advice on getting my deposit or my bear back. I wonder if I will get a response? I have documented my emails and verified she has logged in to hunt wa since I sent my message, she would have to be pretty ignorant to say she hasn't gotten them. I am posting this here if for some reason she decides to respond to this instead of all the other methods I have used to contact her. This is literally a last resortShe's ignored scores of customers over the last several years.
I read somewhere what the definition of insanity is...
Post by: skagitsteel on April 01, 2016, 10:03:15 AM
Well 3 emails, 2 Facebook, hunt wa message, 7 voicemails and still no response :bash: I must say this is getting beyond frustrating. In my last email I gave her a deadline of next Monday to contact me with a firm timeline on when my bear would be completed before I consult legal advice on getting my deposit or my bear back. I wonder if I will get a response? I have documented my emails and verified she has logged in to hunt wa since I sent my message, she would have to be pretty ignorant to say she hasn't gotten them. I am posting this here if for some reason she decides to respond to this instead of all the other methods I have used to contact her. This is literally a last resortShe's ignored scores of customers over the last several years.
I read somewhere what the definition of insanity is...
yeah I hear ya..... doing the same thing over and over seems to produce the same result: a really long wait that is atleast twice as long as the original timeline.
I noticed stuff along these line start popping up the year after I dropped mine off. I certainly would have never taken it to her if I knew it would be this long
Post by: Stein on April 01, 2016, 11:59:33 AM
I would also send a certified letter to her. That way she has to sign for the letter. And you get a receipt from the post office that she signed and received the letter.
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That's a good idea. I have no desire to use the legal action option, but once I start it there will be a cost associated and I will have to follow through with it in attempt to recover the legal fees. At this point I'm still hoping she gets in touch with me and straightens things out before I have to do anything further.
Have you thought about small claims court? It would be an easy and cost effective way to at least get your deposit back.
Post by: buckhorn2 on April 05, 2016, 10:14:32 AM
Post by: skagitsteel on April 05, 2016, 05:00:40 PM
Post by: Band on April 05, 2016, 06:31:03 PM
Post by: luvmystang67 on April 06, 2016, 06:51:52 AM
She did finally respond via Facebook, but only to tell me To set up a voicemail (I always have had an active voicemail) Still Has not answered my question about when my bear will be done
The only way you can be sure of the time that your stuff is done is to get it back and take it to someone who isn't going to play that game with you. This is the same thing that has been done to pretty much everyone. Make sure to leave a review somewhere (Google, Yelp, Facebook, something) so that other people might avoid this headache.
Post by: Bob33 on April 06, 2016, 08:53:20 AM
She did finally respond via Facebook, but only to tell me To set up a voicemail (I always have had an active voicemail) Still Has not answered my question about when my bear will be done
"Your bear is done and may be picked up at any time. I'm sorry for the delay. It looks great. Thanks!"
Why do you think that wasn't her Facebook reply?
Post by: ICEMAN on April 06, 2016, 10:55:47 AM
Are hunters just patient in general? I doubt this would be dealt with this way if it was your car or truck left in a shop for repairs....
Would we treat her differently if she was a dude?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 06, 2016, 10:58:37 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on April 06, 2016, 11:42:12 AM
Well 3 emails, 2 Facebook, hunt wa message, 7 voicemails and still no response :bash: I must say this is getting beyond frustrating. In my last email I gave her a deadline of next Monday to contact me with a firm timeline on when my bear would be completed before I consult legal advice on getting my deposit or my bear back. I wonder if I will get a response? I have documented my emails and verified she has logged in to hunt wa since I sent my message, she would have to be pretty ignorant to say she hasn't gotten them. I am posting this here if for some reason she decides to respond to this instead of all the other methods I have used to contact her. This is literally a last resortShe's ignored scores of customers over the last several years.
I read somewhere what the definition of insanity is...
Yeah. Why do you guys keep bringing her work?
Post by: Rainier10 on April 06, 2016, 12:29:03 PM
:dunno:She did finally respond via Facebook, but only to tell me To set up a voicemail (I always have had an active voicemail) Still Has not answered my question about when my bear will be done
"Your bear is done and may be picked up at any time. I'm sorry for the delay. It looks great. Thanks!"
Why do you think that wasn't her Facebook reply?
I am not a facebook guy, is that what she posted? Is his bear really done?
Post by: skagitsteel on April 06, 2016, 12:56:46 PM
:dunno:She did finally respond via Facebook, but only to tell me To set up a voicemail (I always have had an active voicemail) Still Has not answered my question about when my bear will be done
"Your bear is done and may be picked up at any time. I'm sorry for the delay. It looks great. Thanks!"
Why do you think that wasn't her Facebook reply?
I am not a facebook guy, is that what she posted? Is his bear really done?
I have not heard it is done, if it is this would be the 1st I've heard.
Post by: Becky on April 06, 2016, 01:46:50 PM
I read somewhere what the definition of insanity is...
Yeah. Why do you guys keep bringing her work?
I don't think anyone from here is, and by the sounds of it a lot of these were dropped off many years ago before any problems were even known.
Post by: skagitsteel on April 06, 2016, 02:10:52 PM
I read somewhere what the definition of insanity is...
Yeah. Why do you guys keep bringing her work?
I don't think anyone from here is, and by the sounds of it a lot of these were dropped off many years ago before any problems were even known.
Exactly
Post by: Bob33 on April 06, 2016, 02:16:51 PM
Of course it isn't, otherwise she could have posted what I wrote. Instead, she posts something about you not having voicemail so she can put the blame elsewhere.:dunno:She did finally respond via Facebook, but only to tell me To set up a voicemail (I always have had an active voicemail) Still Has not answered my question about when my bear will be done
"Your bear is done and may be picked up at any time. I'm sorry for the delay. It looks great. Thanks!"
Why do you think that wasn't her Facebook reply?
I am not a facebook guy, is that what she posted? Is his bear really done?
I have not heard it is done, if it is this would be the 1st I've heard.
Post by: Rainier10 on April 06, 2016, 02:26:57 PM
Got it. ;) :tup:Of course it isn't, otherwise she could have posted what I wrote. Instead, she posts something about you not having voicemail so she can put the blame elsewhere.:dunno:She did finally respond via Facebook, but only to tell me To set up a voicemail (I always have had an active voicemail) Still Has not answered my question about when my bear will be done
"Your bear is done and may be picked up at any time. I'm sorry for the delay. It looks great. Thanks!"
Why do you think that wasn't her Facebook reply?
I am not a facebook guy, is that what she posted? Is his bear really done?
I have not heard it is done, if it is this would be the 1st I've heard.
Post by: skagitsteel on April 11, 2016, 06:33:18 PM
Post by: buckhorn2 on April 15, 2016, 04:48:31 PM
Post by: skagitsteel on May 18, 2016, 11:19:50 AM
Post by: Cascade on May 18, 2016, 12:11:24 PM
I have not seen any picture of progress or been given a deadline to completion, I am still being strung along. :bash: :bash: :bash: Has anyone on here actually gotten a mount back since this whole thread started?
I picked up my 2012 spring bear last November.
Post by: skagitsteel on May 18, 2016, 12:56:22 PM
I have not seen any picture of progress or been given a deadline to completion, I am still being strung along. :bash: :bash: :bash: Has anyone on here actually gotten a mount back since this whole thread started?
I picked up my 2012 spring bear last November.
I am still waiting for my 2012 bear
Post by: Cascade on May 18, 2016, 01:00:29 PM
Post by: Miles on May 18, 2016, 01:20:06 PM
If she can stay afloat and in business this way, I don't see how any taxidermist could ever go out of business...
Post by: Taco280AI on May 19, 2016, 11:11:56 AM
Post by: Bango skank on May 19, 2016, 11:15:00 AM
At this point anyone from hw would have to be a complete idiot to bring any work her way.
I took my bear to her this year
Post by: Bango skank on May 19, 2016, 11:15:29 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 19, 2016, 12:23:34 PM
If nobody holds her accountable in court to get their property and money back there is no reason for her to change. I've read how some just want their property back and she can keep the money - free income to keep her going
Enabling the chaos...
Post by: birddogdad on May 19, 2016, 12:48:23 PM
If nobody holds her accountable in court to get their property and money back there is no reason for her to change. I've read how some just want their property back and she can keep the money - free income to keep her going
Enabling the chaos...
jackelope, you sir, are just plain evil :chuckle:
Post by: Becky on May 19, 2016, 02:03:49 PM
Post by: luvmystang67 on May 19, 2016, 02:48:58 PM
We now have a working Trade Count for buyer and seller reviews. Any legitimate customers of hers (and any taxidermy on the site) I urge you to utilize this feature.
I wish people would utilize online sources for people outside of the hunt-wa community, such as yelp, google reviews and the BBB... I dont understand why everyone sits quietly by if they're unhappy with the service they receive from a business.
Post by: sled on May 19, 2016, 02:50:56 PM
Post by: Becky on May 19, 2016, 03:43:15 PM
Oh for sure those too, I think I have several posts already in this thread about doing that.We now have a working Trade Count for buyer and seller reviews. Any legitimate customers of hers (and any taxidermy on the site) I urge you to utilize this feature.
I wish people would utilize online sources for people outside of the hunt-wa community, such as yelp, google reviews and the BBB... I dont understand why everyone sits quietly by if they're unhappy with the service they receive from a business.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on May 19, 2016, 03:55:06 PM
Apparently Michelle is a mod on Washington bear hunting and I belive she banned me for telling her she was rude for making a comment. Lol.
Link to site? :dunno:
Post by: Kazekurt on May 19, 2016, 03:58:54 PM
I have not seen any picture of progress or been given a deadline to completion, I am still being strung along. :bash: :bash: :bash: Has anyone on here actually gotten a mount back since this whole thread started?
I picked up my 2012 spring bear last November.
I am still waiting for my 2012 bear
Be sure and include the bear in your will that way if you die of old age before it's finished at least your grandkids can enjoy it.😬
Post by: Miles on May 19, 2016, 04:00:17 PM
Apparently Michelle is a mod on Washington bear hunting and I belive she banned me for telling her she was rude for making a comment. Lol..
Mods don't do that... It's never personal. :chuckle:
Post by: Gringo31 on June 06, 2016, 11:02:35 AM
Glad you got your deer back.
Post by: 92xj on June 06, 2016, 11:27:24 AM
180....
Glad you got your deer back.
Too bad it wasn't complete.
But that is great that he has it back in hand.
Post by: Rainier10 on June 06, 2016, 11:30:18 AM
Should be a simple enough fix, probably should have been done at the taxi but at least he has it back. Looking forward to the pics.180....
Glad you got your deer back.
Too bad it wasn't complete.
But that is great that he has it back in hand.
Post by: buckhorn2 on June 09, 2016, 12:11:53 PM
Post by: 92xj on June 09, 2016, 12:15:52 PM
Get your lawyer involved now.
Get your belongings back, a police escort could be needed.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on June 09, 2016, 12:18:05 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 09, 2016, 12:25:56 PM
Post by: buckhorn2 on June 09, 2016, 12:28:15 PM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on June 09, 2016, 12:47:46 PM
I payed her 300 to start and she had to get a cape mine wasn't good. Now she says she has put a thousand dollars of work on it and then find out it just sits in the corner with nothing done.
I was there a few weeks ago and I can say I seen a buffalo form in the corner with horns on it and that was it. Did not see a mount drying anywhere in the shop. She may have a drying room elsewhere I guess but not positive :dunno:
Post by: Rainier10 on June 09, 2016, 12:51:47 PM
Did your hanger bracket arrive yet? Might need until tomorrow or Monday depending on the mail but was curious.I payed her 300 to start and she had to get a cape mine wasn't good. Now she says she has put a thousand dollars of work on it and then find out it just sits in the corner with nothing done.
I was there a few weeks ago and I can say I seen a buffalo form in the corner with horns on it and that was it. Did not see a mount drying anywhere in the shop. She may have a drying room elsewhere I guess but not positive :dunno:
Post by: 180-GRAIN on June 09, 2016, 01:06:09 PM
Did your hanger bracket arrive yet? Might need until tomorrow or Monday depending on the mail but was curious.I payed her 300 to start and she had to get a cape mine wasn't good. Now she says she has put a thousand dollars of work on it and then find out it just sits in the corner with nothing done.
I was there a few weeks ago and I can say I seen a buffalo form in the corner with horns on it and that was it. Did not see a mount drying anywhere in the shop. She may have a drying room elsewhere I guess but not positive :dunno:
Not yet
Post by: Spuddieselwwu on June 09, 2016, 01:07:12 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on June 09, 2016, 01:13:14 PM
Post by: gasman on June 09, 2016, 01:38:11 PM
You have been much more understanding then I would have been Del.
Post by: jackelope on June 09, 2016, 01:39:06 PM
Knock on her door and get your stuff back. Take the sheriff with you if you have to.
You have been much more understanding then I would have been Del.
:yeah:
Post by: bearpaw on June 10, 2016, 03:12:04 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 10, 2016, 03:17:24 PM
Post by: h20hunter on June 10, 2016, 03:20:06 PM
Post by: bearpaw on June 10, 2016, 03:25:50 PM
Post by: Band on June 10, 2016, 03:36:28 PM
Post by: HntnFsh on June 11, 2016, 06:25:53 AM
Post by: Taco280AI on June 11, 2016, 10:07:17 AM
Take her to small claims court.
Is there any kind of proof that the hide he took in wasn't good or is that something she just claims to get more $$$?
Post by: skagitsteel on June 11, 2016, 09:48:44 PM
Post by: Muleyslyr on June 12, 2016, 07:45:34 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on June 12, 2016, 07:48:16 PM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on June 13, 2016, 09:28:24 AM
Post by: JODakota on June 13, 2016, 11:15:12 AM
Post by: skagitsteel on June 13, 2016, 01:24:02 PM
Why do people keep giving her business? :yike:
I don't think anyone has been. I dropped mine of in 2012 there were no bad threads previous to that point that I could find. I saw the first one pop up about 6 months after I dropped my bear off
Post by: lastmk8 on June 13, 2016, 02:17:21 PM
Why do people keep giving her business? :yike:
I don't think anyone has been. I dropped mine of in 2012 there were no bad threads previous to that point that I could find. I saw the first one pop up about 6 months after I dropped my bear off
Ed Zackery.......
Post by: 7t9cobra on October 28, 2019, 10:33:11 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on October 28, 2019, 11:56:47 PM
Seems it is the safe Harbor for those with questionable business practices...
That's why I like this forum, however, if you want results you might seek a larger audience.
She still advertises for business, hit her where it counts.
Can't spend new money if you don't have new customers.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 29, 2019, 05:12:06 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 29, 2019, 06:21:03 AM
Post by: huntnfmly on October 29, 2019, 07:41:35 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 29, 2019, 07:57:31 AM
Seems pretty simple have a friend contact her for buisness so she'll be home thinking something is being dropped off and have your folks show up and just tell her they want thier stuff back
Great idea. :tup:
Post by: h20hunter on October 29, 2019, 08:00:55 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on October 29, 2019, 08:28:34 AM
Post by: Stein on October 29, 2019, 08:50:19 AM
It's tough because each person doesn't have a big financial stake but as a group they do. If I was one of the unlucky, I would be headed to small claims court to get my money and force her to return the unfinished work. Better yet, get 5-10 or more people to all file the same day and go to court together which would substantially improve the story told to the judge.
Post by: boneaddict on October 29, 2019, 08:52:07 AM
Legal action is my suggestion. You already went the Google review route. I would include Yelp as well as BBB. I've had work done years ago and yes the work is quality no doubt but the business practices are beyond atrocious and likely, I'm no expert. illegal, only my opinion.
She likes big blacktails, you should help them set up a sting :chuckle:
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on October 29, 2019, 10:47:14 AM
Post by: h20hunter on October 29, 2019, 10:49:49 AM
Post by: Jpmiller on October 29, 2019, 11:28:03 AM
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on October 29, 2019, 11:44:54 AM
How long ago? Any excuse, info, etc you can share with others who are dealing with this?
I dropped the hide off in June 2012. Once the warnings started showing up here I started trying to contact her to find out what was going on phone & emails. I got no response for 6 months, wrote her an email in Sept 2014 that I wanted my hide back due to her non response. I didn’t hear from her again. In January of 2015 my brother found pictures of my rug on her Facebook page. I called and emailed several more times, no response, by March 2015 I had enough and just drove down there. She had all the usual excuses health, people being mean to her on and on. When I asked why she didn’t return any of my contact attempts she said she didn’t like the tone of one of my messages.
I wouldn’t have cared about a long turn around time, we discussed that when I dropped it off. It was the complete radio silence that was unacceptable and really pissed me off. She does real nice work when she works but I am afraid there may be some mental illness going on. I feel bad for her, she is very nice in person she just sucks at running a business.
Post by: jackelope on October 29, 2019, 12:06:37 PM
Post by: 2MANY on October 29, 2019, 12:32:46 PM
She would get none from me.
Post by: 7t9cobra on October 29, 2019, 01:08:08 PM
Post by: boneaddict on October 29, 2019, 01:10:35 PM
Post by: 2MANY on October 29, 2019, 02:18:50 PM
Pathetic.
Post by: jackelope on October 29, 2019, 02:20:48 PM
She hasnt been on huntwa since January 2018. unless she is doing it anonymously or under a different alias
You don't have to be logged in to read this thread.
Post by: 2MANY on October 29, 2019, 02:27:03 PM
Post by: dwils233 on October 29, 2019, 03:51:05 PM
Post by: Caseyd on October 29, 2019, 04:18:22 PM
She hasnt been on huntwa since January 2018. unless she is doing it anonymously or under a different alias
You don't have to be logged in to read this thread.
Should be able to tell if her IP accessed the forum. Logged in or not
Post by: jackelope on October 29, 2019, 04:30:05 PM
She hasnt been on huntwa since January 2018. unless she is doing it anonymously or under a different alias
You don't have to be logged in to read this thread.
Should be able to tell if her IP accessed the forum. Logged in or not
How so? Anyone can see this thread without logging in. I know of no way to track peoples' IP addresses that have randomly visited the forum. And really it doesn't matter enough to me for any of us to take the time to track her IP.
Post by: bobcat on October 29, 2019, 04:44:59 PM
She hasnt been on huntwa since January 2018. unless she is doing it anonymously or under a different alias
You don't have to be logged in to read this thread.
Should be able to tell if her IP accessed the forum. Logged in or not
Yeah, that's not possible. Except for maybe someone who is an FBI Agent.
Post by: jackelope on October 29, 2019, 05:08:37 PM
She hasnt been on huntwa since January 2018. unless she is doing it anonymously or under a different alias
You don't have to be logged in to read this thread.
Should be able to tell if her IP accessed the forum. Logged in or not
Yeah, that's not possible. Except for maybe someone who is an FBI Agent.
Post by: jmscon on October 29, 2019, 07:04:05 PM
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on October 29, 2019, 10:04:11 PM
Just read 42 pages of......wow
Started this morning at work on page one. Just finished. Best work of non-fiction I've read in awhile and I didn't even need the library. I wonder what @Hoyt_Alaska is doing these days?
Post by: Bango skank on October 30, 2019, 02:31:41 AM
Looking at her google reviews, every one is the same story with 3 exceptions, and those all say local guide. So are these "guides" that are providing positive reviews receiving kickbacks for bringing her fresh suckers, i mean customers? They have to know... i sure wouldnt trust a guide that would recommend her, id assume theyre shady ass scammers.
Post by: Rainier10 on October 30, 2019, 08:04:20 AM
This link would show all the IP address's and what they are viewing. You can click the tab on the right and switch it up to just show guest IP address's if someone really wanted to dig into it.
I think it is safe to say she is either viewing this thread or someone is reporting back to her about this thread.
Post by: KFhunter on October 30, 2019, 08:09:22 AM
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=who
This link would show all the IP address's and what they are viewing. You can click the tab on the right and switch it up to just show guest IP address's if someone really wanted to dig into it.
I think it is safe to say she is either viewing this thread or someone is reporting back to her about this thread.
logout then look
Post by: Rainier10 on October 30, 2019, 08:50:09 AM
IP's don't show up when I log out. Are you saying that only mods can see the IP's on that page?https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=who
This link would show all the IP address's and what they are viewing. You can click the tab on the right and switch it up to just show guest IP address's if someone really wanted to dig into it.
I think it is safe to say she is either viewing this thread or someone is reporting back to her about this thread.
logout then look
Post by: 92xj on October 30, 2019, 08:54:09 AM
But why do we even care if her IP address is looking at a thread or not. The answer, we don't care.
Post by: bobcat on October 30, 2019, 09:12:40 AM
Who cares.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 30, 2019, 09:17:41 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on October 30, 2019, 09:19:02 AM
I personally don't want to and I would think most don't care either. Waste of time and energy IMO.
Post by: 2MANY on October 30, 2019, 09:19:27 AM
Sleep in it.
Good night.
Post by: bobcat on October 30, 2019, 09:35:10 AM
That's what I was referring to when I said it wasn't possible.
Post by: Rainier10 on October 30, 2019, 09:47:49 AM
Current users can be seen online, and the IP addresses, but there's no way to search the history to see if a particular IP address was ever on the forum as a guest.Gotcha, I can't find where that is possible either. I can see which guests are online now, what their IP addresses are and that her IP address isn't being used online now.
That's what I was referring to when I said it wasn't possible.
You would have to just keep checking throughout the day to see if she was logging on as a guest and I just don't see the point. If it is important to someone I think it could be done though.
Post by: Caseyd on October 30, 2019, 11:17:59 AM
Current users can be seen online, and the IP addresses, but there's no way to search the history to see if a particular IP address was ever on the forum as a guest.Gotcha, I can't find where that is possible either. I can see which guests are online now, what their IP addresses are and that her IP address isn't being used online now.
That's what I was referring to when I said it wasn't possible.
You would have to just keep checking throughout the day to see if she was logging on as a guest and I just don't see the point. If it is important to someone I think it could be done though.
Or log them
But like mentioned who cares
Post by: Rainier10 on October 30, 2019, 11:42:53 AM
I thought you did and that is why I explained how it could be done.Current users can be seen online, and the IP addresses, but there's no way to search the history to see if a particular IP address was ever on the forum as a guest.Gotcha, I can't find where that is possible either. I can see which guests are online now, what their IP addresses are and that her IP address isn't being used online now.
That's what I was referring to when I said it wasn't possible.
You would have to just keep checking throughout the day to see if she was logging on as a guest and I just don't see the point. If it is important to someone I think it could be done though.
Or log them
But like mentioned who cares
Post by: Caseyd on October 30, 2019, 11:46:41 AM
I thought you did and that is why I explained how it could be done.Current users can be seen online, and the IP addresses, but there's no way to search the history to see if a particular IP address was ever on the forum as a guest.Gotcha, I can't find where that is possible either. I can see which guests are online now, what their IP addresses are and that her IP address isn't being used online now.
That's what I was referring to when I said it wasn't possible.
You would have to just keep checking throughout the day to see if she was logging on as a guest and I just don't see the point. If it is important to someone I think it could be done though.
Or log them
But like mentioned who cares
I appreciate that :tup:
I don’t have any skin in the game or antlers I should say. I was just trying to point out we can figure out it’s she’s accessing if really wanted to
Post by: Knocker of rocks on October 30, 2019, 11:51:56 AM
Should be able to tell if her IP accessed the forum. Logged in or not
Some ISPs, in fact most I would guess, are not fixed anymore.
Post by: Alchase on October 30, 2019, 12:16:32 PM
Should be able to tell if her IP accessed the forum. Logged in or not
Some ISPs, in fact most I would guess, are not fixed anymore.
Plus some of us use multiple devices, iPhone, multiple laptops, Work laptop, iPad, if I was not logged in, good luck determining which device or IP was used.
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 30, 2019, 12:38:41 PM
Post by: 7t9cobra on November 02, 2019, 09:02:54 AM
I forgot to mention that when she called the other day she said she has been trying to call but we must have blocked her number and that several other customers had the same problem. Nothing but lies and excuses. Funny how I leave a review and the very next day she calls. If anyone here has this problem just start the legal process and get your stuff back. Being patient doesn't work with her.
Post by: Jpmiller on November 02, 2019, 09:22:30 AM
Post by: Taco280AI on November 02, 2019, 09:36:32 AM
Post by: KFhunter on November 02, 2019, 10:43:30 AM
This is exactly why people should drop names in all these taxidermy issue threads. So other people don't end up wasting years and still not having anything back.
They want to use the threat of blasting them on social media (which includes HW) as leverage against the taxidermist.
"get my mount done or else"
If they blast away before they get their mounts, then leverage is gone and the taxi is now peeved (and still has their mount)
Post by: Taco280AI on November 02, 2019, 10:59:57 AM
Post by: Bango skank on November 02, 2019, 12:02:39 PM
I forgot to mention that when she called the other day she said she has been trying to call but we must have blocked her number and that several other customers had the same problem.
Shes clearly out of her mind. How can you think you can lie and accuse somebody of doing something that they know they didnt do? Does she think you will believe that you blocked her number when you know you didnt? Thats akin to being in an elevator with one other person, cutting a fart, and telling them they did it. You cant expect them to believe you if youre halfway sane. And several customers who want their stuff back all blocked her number? Yeah, okay. Sounds legit.
Post by: KFhunter on November 02, 2019, 12:07:50 PM
So who cares about those that are thinking of going to these unnamed taxidermists? :rolleyes:Exactly
Some customers are also just difficult, even for the best of the best. If they bully the taxi enough, make enough stink, maybe they can cut to the front of the line.
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Post by: Bango skank on November 02, 2019, 12:11:30 PM
So who cares about those that are thinking of going to these unnamed taxidermists? :rolleyes:Exactly
Some customers are also just difficult, even for the best of the best. If they bully the taxi enough, make enough stink, maybe they can cut to the front of the line.
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I cut to the front of the line with my bear shoulder mount this year by dropping by with a load of fresh picked huckleberries. Whats the saying, you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar? ;)
Post by: Blacktail135 on November 15, 2019, 09:52:11 PM
Post by: millerwheeler on November 15, 2019, 10:03:27 PM
Does she live in Shelton? Does she go by an alias? I've got 4 birds in Shelton that have been there for 8-10 years. Down to calling once a year now instead of twice a year. If she's the flaming liberal on the political thread of Taxidermy.net, she's bat guano crazy! Glad your family got their animals back!
8 TO 10 YEARS ????????? BUD I HOPE YOU NEVER THINK YOJR GETTING THOSE BACK THERE GONE . That sucks but is just crummy
Post by: Blacktail135 on November 16, 2019, 04:49:11 AM
Post by: jackelope on November 16, 2019, 09:38:14 AM
Post by: Odell on November 17, 2019, 10:45:23 AM
This is exactly why people should drop names in all these taxidermy issue threads. So other people don't end up wasting years and still not having anything back.
They want to use the threat of blasting them on social media (which includes HW) as leverage against the taxidermist.
"get my mount done or else"
If they blast away before they get their mounts, then leverage is gone and the taxi is now peeved (and still has their mount)
I can only speak for myself but that wasn't my motivation. I really wanted to hear what options I had, if anyone else had taken their stuff back and commiserate a little as the whole process is frustrating and the taxidermist holds all the cards. When a taxidermist lies to you and then ignores you it's pretty frustrating.