Post by: bradslam on February 26, 2014, 03:28:34 PM
http://www.ginkandgasoline.com/fly-fishing-tips-technique/14-ways-to-prevent-fish-mortality/ (http://www.ginkandgasoline.com/fly-fishing-tips-technique/14-ways-to-prevent-fish-mortality/)
Post by: singleshot12 on February 26, 2014, 03:47:36 PM
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Post by: singleshot12 on February 26, 2014, 03:56:34 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on February 26, 2014, 03:58:50 PM
Are we directing C&R to a specific species or just C&R to any fish? Just want to clarify before I make a comment here. Thanks
I would think it would only or should be endangered native salmon,steelhead and sturgeon
Post by: bradslam on February 26, 2014, 04:02:29 PM
Are we directing C&R to a specific species or just C&R to any fish? Just want to clarify before I make a comment here. Thanks
I just put it on here as general education for any fish. I know where you are probably going with this regarding native steelhead populations, but if people are going to C&R native steelhead the same principles apply.
Post by: Bullkllr on February 26, 2014, 04:04:20 PM
Post by: wapiti hunter2 on February 26, 2014, 04:23:47 PM
Let the people keep what they catch or close the fishery.
Post by: Bullkllr on February 26, 2014, 04:41:25 PM
The only time I believe in catch and release is for barbless hook fly fishing. it doesn't work for any kind of bait or other lure (treble hook) fishing because the mortality is to high.
Let the people keep what they catch or close the fishery.
Probably why fresh water selective fisheries rules allow only single-hooked artificial lures.
Post by: BigGoonTuna on February 27, 2014, 09:31:06 AM
CNR is the best band aid for the situation, the impact isn't big enough to warrant closing it down totally so we can still have some opportunity. as far as bait goes, i've caught hundreds of steelhead over the years(hatchery and wild) and i can think of about a handful that have swallowed the hook, and it was about equally bait and artificial. the only technique that tends to commonly result in deep hookups is backtrolling divers and bait.
it seems to me that a lot of the anti-CNR guys out there are clinging to some romanticized notion of providing food for their families. get over it, this isn't the 1930s, and one fish isn't going to sustain your family. if you're that desperate, you shouldn't be burning gas to go out fishing, especially not driving all the way out to the peninsula.
Post by: Bullkllr on February 27, 2014, 09:38:24 AM
if it wasn't for catch and release opportunity, steelhead fishing would be limited to areas with hatchery releases and only when those fish are in the river. don't think for a second that we'll ever see increased sport seasons on any wild steelhead in this state...it just ain't gonna happen. close fishing, and the number will still decline. when you close it down, people cease to give a damn, and you lose your advocates for the fish.BGT- Thanks for your well-informed and thoughtful post. It reaffirms my faith that the conversation can be based on something other than pure emotion.
CNR is the best band aid for the situation, the impact isn't big enough to warrant closing it down totally so we can still have some opportunity. as far as bait goes, i've caught hundreds of steelhead over the years(hatchery and wild) and i can think of about a handful that have swallowed the hook, and it was about equally bait and artificial. the only technique that tends to commonly result in deep hookups is backtrolling divers and bait.
it seems to me that a lot of the anti-CNR guys out there are clinging to some romanticized notion of providing food for their families. get over it, this isn't the 1930s, and one fish isn't going to sustain your family. if you're that desperate, you shouldn't be burning gas to go out fishing, especially not driving all the way out to the peninsula.
Your 1st paragraph is a great synopsis of the reality of the situation.
The sentence I highlighted is a vital and IMO unrecognized (by many) part of the argument for C&R.
Folks, if it's shut down it ain't likely to open again in our lifetimes.
Post by: singleshot12 on February 27, 2014, 12:09:37 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on February 27, 2014, 12:46:45 PM
Fish(steelhead) were created to sustain man for the long term.
But clearly not the technology and civilization that man has created, true?
Of coarse it's not the 1930's- but the main mind set and goal should be to restore wild runs to what they once were. And it would happen faster if we can get past all the political mire.
I wish there was more evidence of things at least moving in that direction.
Wild strains can be established again if nets are banned and more spawning streams become restored.
And chiefly if we as a society have the will to make this happen.
C&R may be a privilege but only feeds ego's and keeps tackle businesses in business which I guess is important too :dunno:.
See point above and BigGoonTuna's post
Post by: singleshot12 on February 27, 2014, 01:33:46 PM
Fish(steelhead) were created to sustain man for the long term.
But clearly not the technology and civilization that man has created, true?
Of coarse it's not the 1930's- but the main mind set and goal should be to restore wild runs to what they once were. And it would happen faster if we can get past all the political mire.
I wish there was more evidence of things at least moving in that direction.
Wild strains can be established again if nets are banned and more spawning streams become restored.
And chiefly if we as a society have the will to make this happen.
C&R may be a privilege but only feeds ego's and keeps tackle businesses in business which I guess is important too :dunno:.
See point above and BigGoonTuna's post
I think things are slowly moving towards a more positive future. Some of the salmon runs have made quite a come back and are spawning naturally again. Man I think is finally waking up and working on ways so that civilization and technology can adapt to more fish friendly ways. Unfortunately it costs businesses and corporations more doe to keep operating. I think it is very possible to have harvestable numbers(sport cuaght) of wild steelhead in the near future. Once the steelhead is de-commercialized and the environment cleaned up a little more :twocents:.
Post by: GEARHEAD on February 27, 2014, 01:38:01 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on February 27, 2014, 01:40:55 PM
banning fly gear in a native catch and release area, would increase survival. those fish are on the hook twice as long as with gear.
And ultra light gear.. what ever method it's still hard on them and stresses them especially when they're near their redds.
Post by: Shane54 on February 27, 2014, 05:36:37 PM
The only time I believe in catch and release is for barbless hook fly fishing. it doesn't work for any kind of bait or other lure (treble hook) fishing because the mortality is to high.Not trying to be rude but there is a lot of holes in this post. A siawash hook is single point and can be used on most lures. #2 flyfishing can be harder on fish a lot of times due to fighting them to long. #3 if you catch an endangered species should you keep it? #4 barbs can be pinched on any hook, and hooks can be purchased w/o barbs. :twocents:
Let the people keep what they catch or close the fishery.