Post by: Ripper on February 27, 2014, 06:45:40 AM
http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/how-wolves-change-rivers/#.Uw5ggflgwfA.facebook (http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/how-wolves-change-rivers/#.Uw5ggflgwfA.facebook)
Post by: quadrafire on February 27, 2014, 07:26:43 AM
Post by: wence5 on February 27, 2014, 09:23:49 AM
What a load of bull!
Post by: Northway on February 27, 2014, 09:48:13 AM
This piece of propaganda has been going around on Facebook. I don't know if it's been on here or not but I thought I'd share it. I think it's a joke, but who am I. It states that with the introduction of wolves to Yellowstone, the deer and elk have moved into the mountains and now the river bottoms are more secure and furtle. This creates better habitat for frogs and beavers. Well enjoy the frogs and beavers because the deer and elk are dead! Like the wolves simply moved the deer and elk elsewhere, like they are river bottom police. Give me a break! Enjoy, it is a beautifully made piece.
http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/how-wolves-change-rivers/#.Uw5ggflgwfA.facebook (http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/how-wolves-change-rivers/#.Uw5ggflgwfA.facebook)
But from your perspective, who cares whether it's true or not? Is not your preference either way going to be for more deer and more elk? In my opinion, at least there's honesty in that argument as opposed to both sides continuously trying to discredit anything that either shows that wolves are helping an ecosystem or that they are negatively affecting ungulate numbers.
Post by: Hornseeker on February 27, 2014, 09:55:44 AM
by the way, Beavers are Gooo-ooood for the system in general... they are tough in areas where they cause probs with human development... but in the wilds they are so incredibly beneficial to riverine health...
Parting statement: Shoot Wolves, Trap Wolves... Kill Wolves.
Post by: bearpaw on February 27, 2014, 10:21:57 AM
The only reason wolves may have had any effect in Yellowstone is because they didn't allow hunters to hunt the elk. Now we have an overpopulation of wolves removing excessive numbers of elk from not only Yellowstone but from numerous states. :twocents:
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 27, 2014, 10:29:12 AM
Once they've changed the circumstances, they can re-write history.
People eat that crap up when they hear it (I don't mean knowledgeable outdoors people).
Post by: bearpaw on February 27, 2014, 10:36:18 AM
Post by: Ripper on February 27, 2014, 11:03:54 AM
Post by: kentrek on February 27, 2014, 11:06:09 AM
And when vegitation grows other animals take advantage of it ? This makes so much sense to me know :rolleyes:
I still missed the part where they say these new creatures taking advantage of the extra vegetation are much much more important than the other..natural animals that used to take advantage of the same vegitation...
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 27, 2014, 11:11:00 AM
I still missed the part where they say these new creatures taking advantage of the extra vegetation are much much more important than the other..natural animals that used to take advantage of the same vegitation...
Along those same lines: how come there is no enviro group concerned with the Caribou population in NE Washington and N Idaho? All this love for the non-endangered wolves and one of the most precarious species in existence now has to share home-range with wolves :dunno:
I know this is a rhetorical question. Of course they're uninterested because they don't really care about any species. They want to end hunting and logging. The ends justify the means for them. Screw the caribou, screw the elk, but watch out for that bat.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 27, 2014, 11:16:59 AM
:yeah: Until the Caribou elk and deer are endangered and hunting is done, by then the GP is propagandized into believing the 2 A was meant for hunting and it isn't needed eitherI still missed the part where they say these new creatures taking advantage of the extra vegetation are much much more important than the other..natural animals that used to take advantage of the same vegitation...
Along those same lines: how come there is no enviro group concerned with the Caribou population in NE Washington and N Idaho? All this love for the non-endangered wolves and one of the most precarious species in existence now has to share home-range with wolves :dunno:
I know this is a rhetorical question. Of course they're uninterested because they don't really care about any species. They want to end hunting and logging. The ends justify the means for them. Screw the caribou, screw the elk, but watch out for that bat.
Post by: kentrek on February 27, 2014, 11:24:15 AM
They all seem to disappear after wolves move in..and I can tell you that from first hand experience
Idk why we dont bring back more species :dunno: wooly mammoth ? Sabor tooth ? Why not right ? I know lets introduce tigers into north america aswell...just think of the creatures we could save :bash:
Post by: Wilderness Addict on February 27, 2014, 12:03:47 PM
Bison don't hurt the river beds. If you've ever fished Slough Creek or Yellowstone River, you probably watched bison in the water. We so are losing the fight.
Post by: vandeman17 on February 27, 2014, 12:09:02 PM
Post by: seth30 on February 27, 2014, 12:19:56 PM
Post by: stuckalot on February 27, 2014, 12:29:06 PM
Post by: wolfbait on February 27, 2014, 04:14:06 PM
My dad sent me this video about a week ago. I see the merit behind it but don't agree how they try to tie it all into wolves being the "solution". I am all about a balanced ecosystem between predator and prey but I would love to see what these yahoos have to say down the road when there are too few deer, elk and other critters because of all the predators. I also lost a lot of respect for it as soon as I heard them say "deer calves". :bash:
More wilderness-with corridors will be the new USFS, USFS, WDFW talking points. The main reasons for predators, and their prey survival. Watch and see!
Post by: quadrafire on February 27, 2014, 06:21:38 PM
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Post by: bearpaw on February 28, 2014, 07:18:21 AM
I heard that when a wolf licks you, it cures all that ails you! And wolves save the economy too--wolves extirpated in 1929...stock market crashed and Great Depression began, then wolves introduced into Yellowstone in the mid 90's and shortly thereafter the economy was strongest ever...coincidence? I think not! Also, the real reason that the British lost the Revolutionary War was because wolves drove them out.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: wence5 on February 28, 2014, 08:29:02 AM
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I think you hit the nail on the head. Wolves are just a piece of a much larger and more sinister puzzle. Most lib's and people that don't own firearms have attached the 2A to hunting. Do away with hunting, why would anyone need a gun, so let's do away with the 2A.
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 28, 2014, 10:36:00 AM
Why has no one addressed the obvious impact this has on toad-licking and toad-lickers?
:yeah: :yeah:
listen to the man!
Post by: seth30 on February 28, 2014, 10:43:27 AM
On the bright side there should be lots of families flocking to Yellowstone to check out the willows, frogs and beavers! Who'd want to go and look at a bunch of deer, elk and moose anyway...I was wondering where I could go to see some willows :tup:
Post by: denali on March 01, 2014, 08:29:16 PM