Post by: Palmer on November 18, 2008, 09:41:17 PM
Post by: 270Shooter on November 19, 2008, 03:18:50 PM
I missed an elk and had 3 legal mulies within 100 yards of public land, but they thought that they would stay put :bash:. Then in the NE corner I had a nice whitetail run in front of me, but he was long gone by the time I went after him :'(. But overall it was a good season, I got to check out a few new areas, and found some really good spots. I ready for next year already :yike:.
Post by: mossback91 on November 19, 2008, 05:41:59 PM
Post by: Charlie on November 30, 2008, 10:12:18 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on December 01, 2008, 05:36:54 AM
Post by: Palmer on December 01, 2008, 05:43:33 AM
6+ does, anterless Whitetail
1 buck 1 yo 2x3 point WT
2 bucks 2 yo 4 point and 5 point WT
3 bucks app. 5 yo 4 pt, and 5 pt WT
1 buck app. 8 yo 3 pt WT
Last year we saw 25+ does, anterless and 2 that were a year and a half old as well as 3 mature bucks 4 - 5 years old.
Post by: Triplebrow on December 01, 2008, 05:47:32 AM
This still has me laughing.....................................
Post by: billythekidrock on December 01, 2008, 05:54:49 AM
What exactly does a "miss" sound like?
This still has me laughing.....................................
You don't know the difference between a hit and a miss?
Post by: Triplebrow on December 01, 2008, 05:58:09 AM
Not in reference to the sound of gun shots going off in the distance...............
Post by: billythekidrock on December 01, 2008, 06:01:52 AM
Post by: Triplebrow on December 01, 2008, 06:07:15 AM
I can see if you are very close, or watching someone shoot. Beyond that, there are just too many variables IMO. The whole impact before report would depend on where you are standing in relation to the shot and it's target..........
I'm not buying it.
Post by: billythekidrock on December 01, 2008, 06:09:31 AM
I'm not buying it.
Then you must be too broke to pay attention.
Post by: Triplebrow on December 01, 2008, 06:16:29 AM
I'm not believing it.........
In the years of hunting whitetails in the NE corner, I can tell you that you hear the report of a rifle off in the distance now and again, but to claim that they sound like "misses" is just a little much IMO.... I guarantee that the bullet hit something..
Post by: KillBilly on December 01, 2008, 06:34:15 AM
Often there is a significant difference in sound upon impact. Usually the impact is heard before the report.
TripleBrow.. there is most definately a very definate sound made upon impact and quite often it can be heard at long distances. And just how many years is it you,ve hunted in the NE corner? And what would the location have to do with it?
Post by: Triplebrow on December 01, 2008, 06:58:04 AM
Often there is a significant difference in sound upon impact. Usually the impact is heard before the report.
TripleBrow.. there is most definately a very definate sound made upon impact and quite often it can be heard at long distances. And just how many years is it you,ve hunted in the NE corner? And what would the location have to do with it?
Sound upon impact that is heard at long distances.......... Ok, so how do you know what in fact the bullet impacted?
How many years have I hunted the NE corner........ Many, what does that have to do with hearing "misses".
What would location have to do with it........... Well I'm sure in the desert a prominent "thump" or sound of impact might be audible. In the north east corner where it is heavily wooded and mountainous, sometimes you're lucky to hear a gunshot a mile or two away, let alone the "impact".
So Killbilly, please enlighten me as too your fail proof method for accounting whether or not distant shots impacted their intended targets.......
Also could you include how you differentiate through soundwaves that are audible to the human ear as to the difference of a bullet impacting an animal, tree, rotten stump, and dirt bank.
Post by: 270Shooter on December 01, 2008, 07:06:23 AM
Post by: Triplebrow on December 01, 2008, 07:08:11 AM
If it goes thump boom, it hit what?? ;)
Post by: mossback91 on December 01, 2008, 09:50:59 AM
Post by: KillBilly on December 01, 2008, 10:14:18 AM
Often there is a significant difference in sound upon impact. Usually the impact is heard before the report.
TripleBrow.. there is most definately a very definate sound made upon impact and quite often it can be heard at long distances. And just how many years is it you,ve hunted in the NE corner? And what would the location have to do with it?
Sound upon impact that is heard at long distances.......... Ok, so how do you know what in fact the bullet impacted?
How many years have I hunted the NE corner........ Many, what does that have to do with hearing "misses".
What would location have to do with it........... Well I'm sure in the desert a prominent "thump" or sound of impact might be audible. In the north east corner where it is heavily wooded and mountainous, sometimes you're lucky to hear a gunshot a mile or two away, let alone the "impact".
So Killbilly, please enlighten me as too your fail proof method for accounting whether or not distant shots impacted their intended targets.......
Also could you include how you differentiate through soundwaves that are audible to the human ear as to the difference of a bullet impacting an animal, tree, rotten stump, and dirt bank.
I have been hunting for 51 years and I can tell when a bullet impacts something within the 90 percentile. First you have to hear the shot....
I have hunted the NE corner NorthPort (grass mountain) and it is still possible to tell when a shot impacts something or just goes off into space somewhere. Sure if it misses and goes for a mile or more you won't hear the impact a mile away, but let's be reasonable, that's not what we are arguing. In addition, I never claimed to tell the difference between a deer or a stump, just that it impacted something. If you believe everyone is a bad shot, then who knows what it hit, but you can still hear an impact. This is not a myth, there are many hunters that have been brought up using this method. I won't even attempt to infer that we are all crazy.
You were the one that seemed to think it was different in the NE corner.. not me. As far as the number of years, I just wondered how many of my 51 years of hunting I have been wrong.
Let's move on and add some value because we will probably never agree on this one. And if it helps, I will say you won this one.
This is a Poll, not an argument
Post by: youngchristof on December 01, 2008, 11:38:28 AM
Post by: tlbradford on December 01, 2008, 01:41:41 PM
Post by: Triplebrow on December 01, 2008, 09:41:28 PM
Often there is a significant difference in sound upon impact. Usually the impact is heard before the report.
TripleBrow.. there is most definately a very definate sound made upon impact and quite often it can be heard at long distances. And just how many years is it you,ve hunted in the NE corner? And what would the location have to do with it?
Sound upon impact that is heard at long distances.......... Ok, so how do you know what in fact the bullet impacted?
How many years have I hunted the NE corner........ Many, what does that have to do with hearing "misses".
What would location have to do with it........... Well I'm sure in the desert a prominent "thump" or sound of impact might be audible. In the north east corner where it is heavily wooded and mountainous, sometimes you're lucky to hear a gunshot a mile or two away, let alone the "impact".
So Killbilly, please enlighten me as too your fail proof method for accounting whether or not distant shots impacted their intended targets.......
Also could you include how you differentiate through soundwaves that are audible to the human ear as to the difference of a bullet impacting an animal, tree, rotten stump, and dirt bank.
I have been hunting for 51 years and I can tell when a bullet impacts something within the 90 percentile. First you have to hear the shot....
Looks like you and BTKR have conflicting ideas...... He say's you will hear the impact first, and you say that you must first hear the shot........
So you can tell within the 90th percentile when a bullet impacts something? Have you always gone around and played CSI at the scene of every shot you heard or is this just a number you threw out there? I'm thinking the latter, or else your 51 years of hunting weren't actually hunting, they were playing detective......
On a side not if you want to go that route, I can tell when a bullet impacts something 100 percent of the time. Our good friend gravity takes care of that for us ;).
I fail to see how in the original post by Palmer that he feels he can accurately judge how many deer were taken out of the area he was hunting just by hearing shots in the distance.
BTKR, If you can differentiate between a hit and a miss as well as you claim, than why did you continue to shoot rounds into the bear you got this year? Also how did you not know whether or not MichelleNelson hit the deer she shot if you can hear it?
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on December 02, 2008, 12:00:00 AM
BTKR, If you can differentiate between a hit and a miss as well as you claim, than why did you continue to shoot rounds into the bear you got this year? Also how did you not know whether or not MichelleNelson hit the deer she shot if you can hear it?
Well I can answer this one for you. He was in his truck with his music on driving to my location when I shot my deer. How could he have heard it? He didn't even hear me shoot. Though if you would have read His or my version of the hunt you ould have known that.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on December 02, 2008, 12:01:08 AM
I noticed the population of deer was down in the Northeast and I was wandering how other hunters did this year. I added options for more than one deer since some hunters hunt Idaho, Montana, and Oregon, etc.
Now I am making the recomendation that this topic about "Hearing Hits" be dropped befor it gets out of hand! Lets get back to the original topic started by Palmer in the first place.
Post by: Triplebrow on December 02, 2008, 02:52:57 AM
BTKR, If you can differentiate between a hit and a miss as well as you claim, than why did you continue to shoot rounds into the bear you got this year? Also how did you not know whether or not MichelleNelson hit the deer she shot if you can hear it?
Well I can answer this one for you. He was in his truck with his music on driving to my location when I shot my deer. How could he have heard it? He didn't even hear me shoot. Though if you would have read His or my version of the hunt you ould have known that.
Sorry michelle, I had read your story and might say it's confusing as to whether or not he heard it...... Here's your quote.
"So I look at him like he is completely off his rocker and ask didn't you just hear me shoot?
Was that you?
Uhh yeah, you didn't hear it?
No, I was in my truck and had my music on."
The "was that you", statement leads one to believe that he heard a shot................ misunderstanding that's all.
The question about the bear still stands.
Post by: Triplebrow on December 02, 2008, 03:01:42 AM
I noticed the population of deer was down in the Northeast and I was wandering how other hunters did this year. I added options for more than one deer since some hunters hunt Idaho, Montana, and Oregon, etc.
Now I am making the recomendation that this topic about "Hearing Hits" be dropped befor it gets out of hand! Lets get back to the original topic started by Palmer in the first place.
GETS OUT OF HAND? there are a lot of threads that get side tracked, but I don't see anyone jumping up and saying get back to the original point. In fact there are 3 moderators that have partook in the "sidetracking" of this post. This is a forum and a place to discuss things. There is no one slamming, or degrading anyone, and I do not see any "objectionable material". It is just a good debate/argument as to whether or not you can "hear misses". Palmer hasn't even been back to try to explain his theory on hearing misses. I think if you are going to moderate this discussion because it took a turn from the original topic, then you should correct/recommend this on all topics that have done the same.
Post by: ICEMAN on December 02, 2008, 04:37:15 AM
Ya know....some folks claim they can hear what they perceive as an impact "thump" if game is struck. Others doubt it. I percieve shots I hear in the woods a different way entirely.
I believe that this world is full of jack asses and idiots. Personally I believe that for every five shots I hear in the woods, either single shots, or multiple successive shots, that only one of them is actually taken at game. I believe that four of the five are shots into the ground at the truck as some dufus accidently slips when loading that POS carbine. I believe that others forgot their safety was crappy and touched one off into the air as they settle down on a stump ten yards from thier truck. I believe that others still are guys unloading their rifle as they walk back to the truck from thier miserable piss poor attempt to locate game from walking to the end of a landing and looking for deer with their rifle scope. Others are simply guys making sure their gun still shoots from last year, they take a shot or two at first light after they finish wiping their butt as they finish crapping on the road. Others are trying to just clip the head off a grouse with their magnum rifle, as true hunters are trying to hunt deer and elk nearby. One of the five may actually be at game. Maybe.
So when I hear shooting in the woods, I dont listen for the thump, I dont need to. I know it is just some *censored* dicking around in the woods without a clue. But that is just my opinion, I really dont feel like arguing about it.
Post by: Triplebrow on December 02, 2008, 06:05:13 AM
I like the way you worded your response, mostly the use of the word "perceive".
Post by: billythekidrock on December 02, 2008, 06:31:26 AM
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BTKR, If you can differentiate between a hit and a miss as well as you claim, than why did you continue to shoot rounds into the bear you got this year? Also how did you not know whether or not MichelleNelson hit the deer she shot if you can hear it?
You can be skeptical if you want, but I am getting tired of your nit picking. It is not 100% 100% of the time.
I continued shooting because the bear never moved and I didn't want to pack my rifle all the way down there. I believe that I stated I even knew I missed by sound on that one. On my second bear this year I heard the impact before the report. I even told Michelle that when she asked if I hit it.
No, I did not even hear Michelle shoot her deer.
Actually both bears this year. Yes, usually you will hear it before the report. Sometimes it will be like a POP..POW. It can depend on distance, terrain and other variables, but it can often be heard over long distances. This summer I could tell both a hit and a miss on two different days from the same location. The same shooter, using the same rifle shot from the same place to the same place at a bear one day and a coyote the next. I could hear the hit one day and the miss the next day from almost 1.5 miles as the crow flies even though there were hills and timber between us.
Just depends. If you are shooting a little gun at a long distance you will hear the report then the hit.
If you hit a deer or elk in the shoulder you might hear a "whack" but if you hit it in the stomach you might hear something like a "wump" or "plop".
Post by: Triplebrow on December 03, 2008, 06:25:47 AM
Post by: Palmer on December 03, 2008, 09:37:24 PM
We also saw a couple of hunters shoot and miss. One was driving threw the clearcut adjacent to my cousin. He saw them shoot from their truck, look for the deer that they missed and then drive around chasing the game into the deep woods.
Post by: Intruder on December 04, 2008, 03:49:29 PM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on December 04, 2008, 04:03:03 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 04, 2008, 04:51:15 PM
3x3 bull elk
4xbusted wt buck
wt doe
Post by: fc2038 on December 05, 2008, 12:03:12 PM
I noticed a lower number of deer this year high. winterkill, oh and by the way you can hear a bullet miss
Yea I have heard a bullet miss.... It missed my head, not a fun day >:(
Post by: Kent Hunter on December 06, 2008, 12:35:29 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on December 06, 2008, 04:39:46 AM
I was a "Patches Pal" for many years in my younger days and I can tell you without a doubt that a "hit" goes "DING" and a "miss" makes a very dull "Bonk" sound. :chuckle:
LMAO :chuckle: Awesome! Brings back great memories....but also dates us... :'( Damn whippersnappers around here arent going to get it!
Post by: Palmer on December 17, 2008, 05:17:52 AM