Post by: tmike on March 03, 2014, 09:45:34 PM
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Post by: Smossy on March 03, 2014, 09:47:47 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 03, 2014, 09:50:57 PM
Post by: tmike on March 03, 2014, 09:51:53 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 03, 2014, 09:51:56 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 03, 2014, 09:54:43 PM
Post by: wildweeds on March 03, 2014, 09:56:36 PM
Post by: rtspring on March 03, 2014, 10:00:04 PM
Post by: Damnimissed on March 03, 2014, 10:05:13 PM
Post by: tmike on March 03, 2014, 10:07:15 PM
Post by: tmike on March 03, 2014, 10:09:14 PM
Post by: wildweeds on March 03, 2014, 10:12:04 PM
Better safe than sorry!!! Nice fish..
Post by: huntnphool on March 03, 2014, 10:15:03 PM
Post by: tmike on March 03, 2014, 10:21:11 PM
Post by: _TONY_ on March 03, 2014, 10:53:38 PM
The Queets has the credit card rule for the dorsal, at least it used to. That was a joke.
They still do.
The rule is, if you can pinch the adipose fin between your index finger and thumb, it's gotta go back... Its a pretty crappy rule when you absolutely know it's a hatchery fish and not a wild fish with a misshapened adipose...
Post by: Fishaholic on March 03, 2014, 11:38:12 PM
Post by: PolarBear on March 04, 2014, 12:12:20 AM
Post by: Fishaholic on March 04, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
Had that happen to me on the Hump last month. The fish was obviously a brat but still had it's fins intact so back it went.
the hump hatchry was having problems with reliable clippers for a week or so when I was clipping.
Post by: huntnphool on March 04, 2014, 09:36:47 AM
Infiltration of tree huggers?Had that happen to me on the Hump last month. The fish was obviously a brat but still had it's fins intact so back it went.
the hump hatchry was having problems with reliable clippers for a week or so when I was clipping.
Post by: Fishaholic on March 04, 2014, 09:45:12 AM
Infiltration of tree huggers?Had that happen to me on the Hump last month. The fish was obviously a brat but still had it's fins intact so back it went.
the hump hatchry was having problems with reliable clippers for a week or so when I was clipping.
Haha no when you clip fish your hands are in cold water and people dont finish the whole cut or they are just lazy or there had to be so many fish clipped in a day and they had to stay late and was in a hurry. It all comes down to being lazy.
Post by: huntnphool on March 04, 2014, 09:57:17 AM
Or having a different agenda! :twocents:It all comes down to being lazy.Infiltration of tree huggers?Had that happen to me on the Hump last month. The fish was obviously a brat but still had it's fins intact so back it went.
the hump hatchry was having problems with reliable clippers for a week or so when I was clipping.
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 04, 2014, 09:58:42 AM
We have caught a lot of unclipped hatchery fish on the Queets, the Indian hatchery on the Salmon puts out a ton of them.
Several years ago out at Ilwaco we caught live 8-10 fish in a row that were unclipped :bash:
Post by: Bullkllr on March 04, 2014, 06:41:52 PM
Post by: Shane54 on March 05, 2014, 08:46:13 PM
That's pretty bad that I can tell exactly where you're at by the log jam in the background lolThat log jam is always fishy!
Post by: dreamunelk on March 05, 2014, 09:00:47 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 05, 2014, 09:16:13 PM
Seeing as how that there is a 21.34 pounder it's likely that this is his third or fourth spawning run and my money says that some jackhole cut off part of his fin on one of his prior runs...or not. It's a theory.
Post by: GurrCentral on March 05, 2014, 09:42:27 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 06, 2014, 06:29:44 AM
Have caught quite a few misclip's in central WA rivers the last couple years.... (and yes I am talking about misclips, not hatchery origin fish that have not been clipped at all)..kind of frustrating..Bet they weren't 26 pounders like this one!!
Post by: arees on March 06, 2014, 06:39:29 AM
RT your purty gunshy after the rifle hosing ain't ya!Seriously though my buddy says that the help they get for minimum wage on the fish clipping ain't that great and after about 5 hours of it the quality goes WAAAAY downhill.Not much pride of a good job goes into it I guess.He said he absolutely hates doing it.Lets raise the minimum wage. I know some guys who designed a machine for clipping the fins. If minimum wage is high enough it makes the machine a good buy. :chuckle:Better safe than sorry!!! Nice fish..
Post by: GurrCentral on March 06, 2014, 07:28:38 AM
Have caught quite a few misclip's in central WA rivers the last couple years.... (and yes I am talking about misclips, not hatchery origin fish that have not been clipped at all)..kind of frustrating..Bet they weren't 26 pounders like this one!!
26 pounder :chuckle:.......
Post by: boneaddict on March 06, 2014, 07:46:59 AM
My :twocents:
Seeing as how that there is a 21.34 pounder it's likely that this is his third or fourth spawning run and my money says that some jackhole cut off part of his fin on one of his prior runs...or not. It's a theory.
Kind of wondering the same thing..... Gorgeous fish!!!
Post by: tmike on March 06, 2014, 11:51:57 AM
Post by: GurrCentral on March 06, 2014, 12:14:27 PM
16-18 pounds and the dorsal didn't look "wild" either. Kind of worn down around the edges.
Kinda what I was thinking... altho his coat/arm may be pressing down on the dorsal...
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 06, 2014, 02:06:32 PM
Post by: wildweeds on March 06, 2014, 05:48:50 PM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on March 06, 2014, 07:37:12 PM
Post by: wildweeds on March 06, 2014, 08:07:53 PM
well, how does that work in places that have been closed for long periods of time, like the nisqually? no steelhead season(even CNR) in 20 years and it's still not recovering.
Post by: ICEMAN on March 06, 2014, 08:19:50 PM
Post by: wildweeds on March 06, 2014, 08:28:06 PM
Wildweeds, up there don't they let the rivers fill up with spawners before allowing any river netting?
Post by: tmike on March 06, 2014, 08:28:45 PM
Post by: tmike on March 06, 2014, 08:30:46 PM
Post by: wildweeds on March 06, 2014, 08:33:32 PM
Post by: WSU on March 06, 2014, 08:36:38 PM
Wildweeds, up there don't they let the rivers fill up with spawners before allowing any river netting?
Alaska overharvests their fish and ours.
Post by: wildweeds on March 06, 2014, 08:37:10 PM
I'm not sure what this has to do with a couple steelhead pictures, one of which happened to be a misclipped hatchery fish, but I'm interested which rivers those were in Alaska?
Post by: tmike on March 06, 2014, 08:39:47 PM
Post by: wildweeds on March 06, 2014, 08:55:18 PM
I think I've heard about what your talking about. Not sure it was salmon or steelhead though. When you find out let us know.
Post by: ICEMAN on March 06, 2014, 09:08:36 PM
Wildweeds, up there don't they let the rivers fill up with spawners before allowing any river netting?
Alaska overharvests their fish and ours.
Thanks Wildweeds.
WSU, if the fish are returning to rivers......we are talking rivers here arent we? How do they over harvest WA fish in Alaska rivers? :dunno:
Post by: snowpack on March 06, 2014, 09:27:12 PM
Only a fraction of the fish return, large percentage are caught by the fleet. Most Washington salmon go to Alaska to grow before returning. I think most of the salmon off the Washington coast are actually Idaho salmon and California salmon.Wildweeds, up there don't they let the rivers fill up with spawners before allowing any river netting?
Alaska overharvests their fish and ours.
Thanks Wildweeds.
WSU, if the fish are returning to rivers......we are talking rivers here arent we? How do they over harvest WA fish in Alaska rivers? :dunno:
Post by: ICEMAN on March 06, 2014, 09:29:51 PM
Post by: tmike on March 06, 2014, 09:32:57 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on March 06, 2014, 09:36:47 PM
Regulating the health of a fishery sounds pretty simple to me. I would close all fishing in the salt. Open salt fishing only within so many miles of said river once it was at capacity. Then close it. Open it. close it...all based upon the river condition. If the river can take more spawners, close the fishery and let them in. If the river is pretty full of spawners, open the adjoining area to fishing.
Post by: GurrCentral on March 06, 2014, 09:43:54 PM
I think he means fish intercepted in the salt headed for Washington rivers.
:yeah:
Post by: wildweeds on March 06, 2014, 09:51:28 PM
Wildweeds, up there don't they let the rivers fill up with spawners before allowing any river netting?
Alaska overharvests their fish and ours.
Thanks Wildweeds.
WSU, if the fish are returning to rivers......we are talking rivers here arent we? How do they over harvest WA fish in Alaska rivers? :dunno:
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 06, 2014, 10:11:45 PM
Now back on topic. As far as clipping goes it is pretty well done but when you are clipping hundreds of millions of fish each year there is bound to be some error. Hand clipping is pretty good but prone to human error while mechanical clipping has its own issues. I think it is a waste of time and effort though, the whole idea that there is a supposedly superior wild, untainted stock is complete garbage. Fish have been intensively cultured in this country for well over a hundred years and there were no, or very little, genetic controls until relatively recently.
Nice fish, bummer you had to release it. Hopefully it will end up spawning naturally or in a hatchery to spread those genes.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 07, 2014, 04:10:13 PM
Yeah, i understand that for sure....
Regulating the health of a fishery sounds pretty simple to me. I would close all fishing in the salt. Open salt fishing only within so many miles of said river once it was at capacity. Then close it. Open it. close it...all based upon the river condition. If the river can take more spawners, close the fishery and let them in. If the river is pretty full of spawners, open the adjoining area to fishing.
If only it were that simple. Problem is almost all fisheries decisions are based on politics and big business more than science or even common sense. Always have been- and that has gotten us where we are today.
Washington State could close all salt water, but for it to have any effect BC and Alaska would have to follow suit. I'll look for data- but for Columbia and WA coastal chinook for example- I believe the big majority of the harvest occurs in BC and Alaska. Throw in tribes, commercials, sporties...Problem is everyone demands their piece of the pie.
EDIT: I concur that most current management is needlessly complicated, inefficient, and in the end not very effective.
Post by: TheHunt on March 07, 2014, 04:24:35 PM