Post by: jbeaumont21 on March 06, 2014, 08:44:28 AM
http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/wgrs.htm (http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/wgrs.htm)
Post by: Pygmy on March 06, 2014, 12:31:26 PM
Hey Pygmy, not sure what happened to your original thread but I was trying to add a comment and it froze up. Anyway, I wanted to comment on your FP question and suggest the Williams WGRS receiver sight with the fire sight ghost ring. This is the set up I use on my Knight and have been very happy with it. Obviously the FP sight gives you more range to adjust the sight for elevation and wind but for hunting here in WA I'm not taking many shots beyond 100 yds so there is no reason for it. Plus I don't like all that extra junk hanging from my gun to snag on tree branches, etc.
http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/wgrs.htm (http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/wgrs.htm)
jbeaumont21, I saw that thread die last night too. Thanks for the feedback on the peep sight. Also appreciate the great pictures as it gives me more perspective of size, alignment etc. WGRS may be the best option to get me off the ground - at least until Williams makes an adjustment to the FP Legend. Thanks again!
Post by: Sabotloader on March 06, 2014, 04:50:14 PM
Hey Pygmy, not sure what happened to your original thread but I was trying to add a comment and it froze up. Anyway, I wanted to comment on your FP question and suggest the Williams WGRS receiver sight with the fire sight ghost ring. This is the set up I use on my Knight and have been very happy with it. Obviously the FP sight gives you more range to adjust the sight for elevation and wind but for hunting here in WA I'm not taking many shots beyond 100 yds so there is no reason for it. Plus I don't like all that extra junk hanging from my gun to snag on tree branches, etc.
http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/wgrs.htm (http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/wgrs.htm)
jbeaumont21, I saw that thread die last night too. Thanks for the feedback on the peep sight. Also appreciate the great pictures as it gives me more perspective of size, alignment etc. WGRS may be the best option to get me off the ground - at least until Williams makes an adjustment to the FP Legend. Thanks again!
I went a slightly different route than jb21...
I went with the Williams FP peep sight. It has 1/4" increment adjustments just like a regular scope. So it is really easy to adjust the sight both for windage and elevation.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FP1010002a.jpg&hash=a8c01d3ac26b53cfa02d856ff4d1213e112df7aa) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/P1010002a.jpg.html)
On the front I used a Williams ramp, fiber optic front sight and a fire sight hood.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FWhite%2520Lightening%2FFSSight-Hood.jpg&hash=e60ca78b002076022f93743f9ae2ef795dcb8ef6) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/White%20Lightening/FSSight-Hood.jpg.html)
The hood kinda sets the whole thing off... when you look through the peep and the hood it looks like you are looking through a 1X scope.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FArchive%2FIMG_1339.jpg&hash=d164db6cf7f8d4c09e12e1a1f7bab341358f5d87) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/Archive/IMG_1339.jpg.html)
Post by: Pygmy on March 06, 2014, 04:58:24 PM
I'm also interested in using a KNS dovetailed crosshair front sight in combination with the rear FP Legend.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/108805/kns-sight-3-8-dovetail-hooded-625-high-duplex-crosshair-reticle-matte?cm_vc=ProductFinding (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/108805/kns-sight-3-8-dovetail-hooded-625-high-duplex-crosshair-reticle-matte?cm_vc=ProductFinding)
Would a Williams front ramp be required for this front sight - 3/8"? It's .625" high which may work for raising the rear peep for bolt clearance - hopefully not too much.
Post by: Sabotloader on March 06, 2014, 07:33:53 PM
Sabotloader, I've read one of your posts from 2012 talking about the new bolts on the Knight Disc and LRH's. You had been saying that once the rear peep is raised to it's sighted position it was likely the bolt would clear - only really making contact when at it's zeroed point. That's worth a try for me since I would like to use the micro adjustments available with the FP legend. Trimming the lower right corner of the FP is also an option.
I'm also interested in using a KNS dovetailed crosshair front sight in combination with the rear FP Legend.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/108805/kns-sight-3-8-dovetail-hooded-625-high-duplex-crosshair-reticle-matte?cm_vc=ProductFinding (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/108805/kns-sight-3-8-dovetail-hooded-625-high-duplex-crosshair-reticle-matte?cm_vc=ProductFinding)
Would a Williams front ramp be required for this front sight - 3/8"? It's .625" high which may work for raising the rear peep for bolt clearance - hopefully not too much.
The sight you have provided the link to, would appear to require a 3/8" dove tail ramp or dove tail in the barrel. For a Knight you would need to use the Williams 3/16" Streamlined ramp. I am really thinking the vertical height of the sight you have found might be to tall. If you had a dovetail built in to the barrel that sight might work very well, but in combination with the height of the ramp and the height of the sight - it would be awful tall.
Just guessing understand...
Post by: Pygmy on March 06, 2014, 08:01:40 PM
The sight you have provided the link to, would appear to require a 3/8" dove tail ramp or dove tail in the barrel. For a Knight you would need to use the Williams 3/16" Streamlined ramp. I am really thinking the vertical height of the sight you have found might be to tall. If you had a dovetail built in to the barrel that sight might work very well, but in combination with the height of the ramp and the height of the sight - it would be awful tall.
Just guessing understand...
Thought it might be but being new to the Muzzy/Peep setups I needed an experienced opinion. Thanks Sabotloader. Really appreciate your posts and pictures.
These Lyman or Taylor front globe sights might be a better profile option.
http://www.midwayusa.com/find?userSearchQuery=globe+front (http://www.midwayusa.com/find?userSearchQuery=globe+front)
Post by: bowhunterforever on March 06, 2014, 10:49:28 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on March 07, 2014, 07:47:01 AM
The sight you have provided the link to, would appear to require a 3/8" dove tail ramp or dove tail in the barrel. For a Knight you would need to use the Williams 3/16" Streamlined ramp. I am really thinking the vertical height of the sight you have found might be to tall. If you had a dovetail built in to the barrel that sight might work very well, but in combination with the height of the ramp and the height of the sight - it would be awful tall.
Just guessing understand...
Thought it might be but being new to the Muzzy/Peep setups I needed an experienced opinion. Thanks Sabotloader. Really appreciate your posts and pictures.
These Lyman or Taylor front globe sights might be a better profile option.
http://www.midwayusa.com/find?userSearchQuery=globe+front (http://www.midwayusa.com/find?userSearchQuery=globe+front)
Remember I do not actually know but that Taylor looks like it might be low enough to work. The base of a Williams Ramp measures .0975 in height + the recommended blade is .343N in height - so you might be really close..
Post by: TopOfTheFoodChain on March 07, 2014, 01:53:22 PM
Williams shorty dovetail ramp, 1/8"(.12") height. Make sure to check your barrel diameter as there are different ramps for different barrel diameters. You may also need a different screw to attach to barrel. Thread pitches can vary.
Lyman 17AHB front globe sight. It's .404" from dovetail to center.
Lee Shaver globe sight inserts(the sight inserts that come with the Lyman globe leave a bit to be desired for hunting purposes). These can be stacked in any combo you like. Mine if set up to look like a duplex crosshair.
http://www.brownells.com/shotgun-parts/sights/sight-parts/front-sight-parts/shotgun-shorty-ramps-prod16150.aspx (http://www.brownells.com/shotgun-parts/sights/sight-parts/front-sight-parts/shotgun-shorty-ramps-prod16150.aspx)
http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/sights/series-17a.php (http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/sights/series-17a.php)
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/sight-parts/sight-inserts/globe-sight-inserts-prod12372.aspx?avs|Manufacturer_1=LEE SHAVER (http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/sight-parts/sight-inserts/globe-sight-inserts-prod12372.aspx?avs|Manufacturer_1=LEE SHAVER)
Post by: Pygmy on March 07, 2014, 02:18:56 PM
Just set a buddy up with this for his muzzy. Total combined height from barrel to center of sight is .524" I use this setup and it works very well. I target shoot to 300 yards with enough accuracy to make me happy. Hunting wise, well, lets not start that argument yet again. ;)
Thanks for posting this detailed info. What rear peep sight are you using for shooting 300yds?
Post by: TopOfTheFoodChain on March 07, 2014, 03:29:01 PM
http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/sights/57-receiver-peep.php (http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/sights/57-receiver-peep.php)
Post by: jbeaumont21 on March 07, 2014, 08:25:18 PM
Just set a buddy up with this for his muzzy. Total combined height from barrel to center of sight is .524" I use this setup and it works very well. I target shoot to 300 yards with enough accuracy to make me happy. Hunting wise, well, lets not start that argument yet again. ;)
Williams shorty dovetail ramp, 1/8"(.12") height. Make sure to check your barrel diameter as there are different ramps for different barrel diameters. You may also need a different screw to attach to barrel. Thread pitches can vary.
Lyman 17AHB front globe sight. It's .404" from dovetail to center.
Lee Shaver globe sight inserts(the sight inserts that come with the Lyman globe leave a bit to be desired for hunting purposes). These can be stacked in any combo you like. Mine if set up to look like a duplex crosshair.
http://www.brownells.com/shotgun-parts/sights/sight-parts/front-sight-parts/shotgun-shorty-ramps-prod16150.aspx (http://www.brownells.com/shotgun-parts/sights/sight-parts/front-sight-parts/shotgun-shorty-ramps-prod16150.aspx)
http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/sights/series-17a.php (http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/sights/series-17a.php)
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/sight-parts/sight-inserts/globe-sight-inserts-prod12372.aspx?avs|Manufacturer_1=LEE SHAVER (http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/sight-parts/sight-inserts/globe-sight-inserts-prod12372.aspx?avs|Manufacturer_1=LEE SHAVER)
Do you have any pictures of this setup that you can share?
Post by: Sabotloader on March 08, 2014, 08:14:25 AM
The Lyman 57 is a great sight but I am not sure they make one that will fit a Knight receiver and hole pattern.
http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/sights/57-receiver-peep.php (http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/sights/57-receiver-peep.php)
This is an example of a Lyman 57 peep mounted on a tang
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FLyman0Stop.jpg&hash=e571fcd6372c56fc6d8e6d28397515a79148a08e) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/Lyman0Stop.jpg.html)
Post by: jbeaumont21 on March 08, 2014, 01:01:32 PM
jbeaumont21
The Lyman 57 is a great sight but I am not sure they make one that will fit a Knight receiver and hole pattern.
http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/sights/57-receiver-peep.php (http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/sights/57-receiver-peep.php)
This is an example of a Lyman 57 peep mounted on a tang
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FLyman0Stop.jpg&hash=e571fcd6372c56fc6d8e6d28397515a79148a08e) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/Lyman0Stop.jpg.html)
Mike,
I'm more curious about the Lyman globe with the duplex crosshair insert. At times I wish the fiber optic sight that I have was smaller and wondering if the Lyman globe with crosshair insert would give me a more pinpoint aim.
Thanks,
Jesse
Post by: TopOfTheFoodChain on March 13, 2014, 07:53:58 AM
Post by: scottcrb on March 13, 2014, 08:07:45 AM
Post by: Pygmy on March 13, 2014, 05:14:21 PM
Pygmy where are u located ? I have a knight disc .50 withe the will isms peep and front ramp and hood. I did gave to do substantial modifying of the peep to clear the bolt . I am near Seattle if u want to check it out.
Out near Enumclaw. I appreciate the offer though. Any chance you can post a photo? I've ordered my parts and am waiting for delivery.
Post by: jbeaumont21 on March 13, 2014, 10:56:13 PM
Post by: Pygmy on March 14, 2014, 09:36:17 AM
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Post by: TopOfTheFoodChain on March 14, 2014, 06:35:25 PM
The globe sight is a bit wider at the base than my ramp but it holds steady. I have been using this setup for about 8 years now.
Sabot loader is correct on the Lyman 57 rear sight being made for select guns. I would think a good gunsmith could drill and tap most receivers to use it. Just would want to make sure the diameter matches close enough to attach securely, and mount on appropriate side of gun for bolt clearance.
Post by: jbeaumont21 on March 15, 2014, 03:18:43 PM
Jesse
Post by: Pygmy on March 16, 2014, 08:00:55 AM
Awesome! Thanks for posting Pygmy. I'm thinking of giving this a try to see if it gives me better pinpoint sight than the fiber optic. I'll let you know if I do and how it compares.
Jesse
Please do.
Post by: scottcrb on March 16, 2014, 08:42:52 AM
Post by: Pygmy on March 16, 2014, 02:05:28 PM
Mine is the exact setup that sabotloader posted earlier. If you want to see how I modified the rear peep to clear the bolt I can take a pic and pm you.
Yes, please. I have one shot at doing it the right way...