Post by: RightPlace-RightTime on March 12, 2014, 03:05:23 AM
First I always use a stinger hook in the back for the shy fish :-)
The fly is weighted and the body is a rainbow lightbright i make with a wire dubbing tool. and you can see the rest. I have fished this fly in clear water/dirty water/dark days/sunny days. Works really well and most important fishes really well. I tie my marabou sparse.
This is just my FAV and go to weapon, Just wanted to share
Post by: boneaddict on March 12, 2014, 06:00:51 AM
Post by: RadSav on March 12, 2014, 06:50:26 AM
I had never heard of guys using muddlers for steelhead, but these things looked cool. And with the metallic green body it matched up with what the upper Siletz likes...Green and Gold! He later told me these were not muddlers at all, but "After Dinner Mints". It wasn't until years later I found out he wasn't pulling my leg. There really is a fly called the After Dinner Mint! All that time I thought he just had a pet name for them to daze and confuse ignorant plug guides like myself. ;)
It ended up being that this guy was a steelhead genius!! We had a seven fish to the boat day and lost three more right after hookset. He pulled fish out of water I would never have imagined to fish. I grew up fishing that river and on my last professional guide trip I learned I didn't know nothing!! I was schooled in such a way I was beginning to feel violated. It remains one of the most impressive displays of steelhead mastery I've ever witnessed. Never thought I would have ever said that about a fly flipper with a box full of candy. :chuckle:
Post by: jackmaster on March 12, 2014, 06:56:31 AM
Post by: RadSav on March 12, 2014, 07:10:30 AM
i like that one rad-sav, cool story.... did you end up floating him for free :dunno: :chuckle:
As I remember it I did try and swing him a deal since all I did was row and cook. He refused and gave me the full rate plus some. He said he had never fished out of a wood drifter and that was worth the whole deal. Wish I could remember his last name. I remember his first name as being Todd. He was a nice guy and amazing to watch fish. I usually never got to just sit back and watch a guy. And the really cool thing was I didn't have to untangle a single backlash :chuckle: It was a very nice day!
Post by: boneaddict on March 12, 2014, 08:30:37 AM
Post by: boneaddict on March 12, 2014, 08:33:04 AM
Post by: RadSav on March 12, 2014, 08:55:04 AM
I've used that fly before (After dinner mint) I have caught more steel with the purple version than the green) I have caught a couple coho with the green version especially those that I had gone heavy with the gold when tyeing it.
Like I mentioned I'm not much of a fly guy. But when it comes to lures I've noticed certain rivers like certain colors. In the Siletz/Drift Creek system the upper river is green/gold, but the lower river is peach and red. Just north of us the Wilson, one of my favorites, is peach, peach & more peach. ...That's winter fish. Summer fish seem to all like black, skunk and Michael Jackson no matter the coastal water. Not sure if that translates into flies or not :dunno:
Post by: boneaddict on March 12, 2014, 10:05:15 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on March 12, 2014, 11:13:35 AM
I have also taken a huge leap of faith and streamlined my boxes over the last few years. Now, when I hit the river knowing I will only be wielding my spey rod, I bring 4 fly patterns with me to cover all spectrums of water conditions and locations. I've become so much more productive by limiting my choices to the ones that I KNOW will produce in the given circumstances.
Now I'm trying to do this with my plug box... definitely a little harder!
Post by: RadSav on March 12, 2014, 11:24:26 AM
Post by: boneaddict on March 12, 2014, 11:42:47 AM
That's a cool fly 7mm. I have one similar with a bit different materials. Trying to think of the name of the pattern... Icelander maybe....seems like something like that.
4 patterns. DANG that's some serious restraint. :chuckle: I think I have 4 boxes. :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on March 12, 2014, 11:54:49 AM
I fished a similar articulated fly up in Canada not long ago. The dollies killed it! I've heard there is a helicopter service up there that will take you to a number of good dolly rivers in a single day. I haven't done the trip because it's fly only. But after the success on the St Mary I've been thinking about it a lot.
Time to man up, Rad...get going with the fly rod and you'll never look back.
:chuckle:
The first steelhead I ever caught swinging a fly was a Mack's Canyon on the Deschutes in Oregon.
Post by: Curly on March 12, 2014, 11:58:21 AM
:)
Post by: Pathfinder101 on March 12, 2014, 12:07:50 PM
I keep coming back to this thread to see if a pic of this fly has been posted yet. Rightplace-rightTime- is just a tease......
:)
:yeah: :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on March 12, 2014, 12:17:44 PM
Time to man up, Rad...get going with the fly rod and you'll never look back.
:chuckle:
But than I'd have to buy a Range Rover, $1,000 waders and be a pompas ass, wouldn't I? Or is that only required if I'm fishing central Oregon? :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on March 12, 2014, 12:27:09 PM
Time to man up, Rad...get going with the fly rod and you'll never look back.
:chuckle:
But than I'd have to buy a Range Rover, $1,000 waders and be a pompas ass, wouldn't I? Or is that only required if I'm fishing central Oregon? :chuckle:
Not in my camp.
:dunno:
Post by: boneaddict on March 12, 2014, 12:38:07 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 12, 2014, 12:39:50 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on March 12, 2014, 12:42:17 PM
Time to man up, Rad...get going with the fly rod and you'll never look back.
:chuckle:
But than I'd have to buy a Range Rover, $1,000 waders and be a pompas ass, wouldn't I? Or is that only required if I'm fishing central Oregon? :chuckle:
No you don't and don't let anyone tell you otherwise!
I guided fly fishing trips for many years. I drive a Silverado, I do wear nice waders when waders are needed because they make ALL the difference, and I don't think I'm a pompas ass. Other may though :chuckle: I also have as many gear rods as fly rods, kill all hatchery fish, and when legal, my boat smells like garlic and anise and has egg goo smeared all over it from time to time.
Fly fishing is just FUN, and thats the whole point. I didn't see eye to eye with a few of my clients over the years because of the fact that I was not a "purist", which apparently all fly fishing guides are supposed to be. Many really didn't like it when I told them I used chunks of salmon bigger than that trout for halibut bait when I guided in AK :chuckle:
Post by: 7mmfan on March 12, 2014, 12:42:36 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 12, 2014, 01:09:33 PM
And NO we aren't thread jacking, we are just all patiently waiting for the photo of this fly.
OP must have gone to bed at 3:06 after his first post. Or maybe he thinks anticipation will increase the impact and drama. Either way...I'm intrigued! Hope he posts it soon.
Post by: RadSav on March 12, 2014, 01:52:01 PM
No you don't and don't let anyone tell you otherwise!
Fly fishing is just FUN, and thats the whole point. I didn't see eye to eye with a few of my clients over the years because of the fact that I was not a "purist", which apparently all fly fishing guides are supposed to be.
I was offered an opportunity to bring my drifter over to the 'Chutes and row for a service. The idea was I'd drive over and spend a week drifting with one of the other guides. Once I got to know the river and working with fly flippers I'd bring my boat over and work their overflow. After the week was over I didn't think I would ever speak with a fly hole again. You could tell before these jack wagons even got on the boat they were nothing but trouble. Usually one must hang out with longbow shooters, stone sheep hunters or country club members to find that level of self superiority. I apologized for wasting their time, sold them my drifter, entered the archery industry and never drifted as a guide again.
Guess I should thank them...this gig I've got now is pretty sweet :chuckle: Though I sure miss drifting for winter chrome when the banks are frozen and the snow is falling. I dream of ice on my gloves, snow in my eyes, sound of oars dripping after cutting through the rising mist and the smell of chocolate cake cooking between my ankles! :'( It's those dreams and memories that make me think of retirement at 55. While I'm still young enough to go it solo on the river again.
Bone', you are one unique character. You break all the rules! Next thing I know you'll tell me you've joined a country club and golf in tennis sneakers and sweat pants. :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on March 12, 2014, 03:25:50 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 12, 2014, 03:27:36 PM
:chuckle: waiting
Post by: Bullkllr on March 12, 2014, 04:29:12 PM
"fly hole"
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Guess I should thank them...this gig I've got now is pretty sweet :chuckle: Though I sure miss drifting for winter chrome when the banks are frozen and the snow is falling. I dream of ice on my gloves, snow in my eyes, sound of oars dripping after cutting through the rising mist and the smell of chocolate cake cooking between my ankles! :'( It's those dreams and memories that make me think of retirement at 55. While I'm still young enough to go it solo on the river again.
Ain't that the truth. Once you get hooked on good steelhead fishing, little else can fill it's shoes. Been my main passion/downfall my whole life. Course it's hard to find it like it was...
Post by: RadSav on March 12, 2014, 05:16:28 PM
Course it's hard to find it like it was...
Yep, even the coastal water is getting crowded. I'd drift every day for a month straight on the middle Siletz and never see another boat on the water. Miles and miles of water all to ourselves. Sometimes drifting past a few retired plunkers with a bank shack, but that would be about it until we dropped below Euchre Creek. And you could drift Moonshine to Sam's Creek all dang season and not see another boat. That's quite the hot drift these days.
I move to Seattle and some guys want to take me fishing. "Steelies are biting good" they say. So I grab my gear and we are on our way...this is going to be GREAT!!! NOT...elbows to keyholes isn't my idea of fun fishing. I spent three hours on a rock watching the masses fight, bicker and kill black fish. I pretty much gave up fishing for a lot of years after moving to Seattle. Wasn't until CL turned me on to fishing Dollies that I started up again.
The years Maxima was putting my mug in their catalog I began to fish a bit more with the crowds. But these crowded rivers are a hard pill for me to swallow. I had a few ten fish days, but I worked ten times as hard for them too. And to think the old timers use to tell me I was wasting my time fishing in the 80's since the glory days were long gone :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on March 12, 2014, 05:46:45 PM
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Post by: RightPlace-RightTime on March 12, 2014, 11:13:14 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 13, 2014, 03:53:24 AM
Somewhere I've got a fly very similar to that. A friend of mine went to Alaska for the silver runs and he wanted me to know what they were using. I think he said they called it an articulated hairball leech :dunno: Something like that anyway. Guess they just hammered the coho with it. I will have to do some digging and see if what I remember it looking like is really what it looks like ;) And how similar they are.
Looks like a rather heavy fly. What line and rod weight are you using when you work that?
Post by: RightPlace-RightTime on March 13, 2014, 05:42:14 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 13, 2014, 05:47:27 AM
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on March 13, 2014, 06:01:32 AM
Post by: RightPlace-RightTime on March 13, 2014, 08:37:29 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on March 13, 2014, 09:06:02 PM
-Steve
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on March 13, 2014, 09:13:15 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 13, 2014, 11:18:55 PM
Im using a 8wt 10 ft rod and a yancy line system with a 15 foot I think t11 or t14. All of it fishes great.
15' of T14! Isn't that more of a spey setup? I always thought a single handed 10' rod was like 8 or 10' of weighted tip. Maybe that's why I always make sure guys know I'm not so bright on the fly.
All this steelhead fly talk makes me regret giving away all my Penn 2.0s. I think if I dig enough I've got a 1.5 somewhere. What are you guys using as far as reels for winter fish?
Post by: 7mmfan on March 14, 2014, 07:31:15 AM
Some Sage reels are good, but I don't think they're great. Same with Orvis. Step up and order a Hatch or Nautilus reel and you won't regret it. Great drag systems.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 15, 2014, 10:16:43 AM
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Saltwater:
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Small water trout:
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One for indicator fishing, one for swinging:
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They also make great backdrops for my hand tied fly close ups:
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Salty sea run cutty:
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Saltwater dolly:
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On ice:
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Post by: 7mmfan on March 15, 2014, 12:01:20 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 15, 2014, 12:02:47 PM
Definitely not an elitist or purist :chuckle:
That looks like Sealion candy to me :nono:
Post by: Bullkllr on March 15, 2014, 12:05:40 PM
Now wrap a little schlappen around the top of the hook and call it a fly :chuckle:
Post by: Bullkllr on March 15, 2014, 12:14:34 PM
Definitely not an elitist or purist :chuckle:
That looks like Sealion candy to me :nono:
Might give that a try!
Post by: 7mmfan on March 15, 2014, 12:15:39 PM
Those eggs are a nice touch.
Now wrap a little schlappen around the top of the hook and call it a fly :chuckle:
Halibut on the fly baby! :tup:
Post by: 7mmfan on March 15, 2014, 12:16:41 PM
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Post by: Gobble Doc on March 20, 2014, 10:43:15 PM
Post by: wafisherman on March 20, 2014, 10:47:31 PM
I miss the chum runs on Sky and other local rivers. Hardly worth fishing for anymore :bash:
Used to catch them until my arms wore out using my 8wt.
Post by: splitshot on March 21, 2014, 11:12:45 PM
Post by: Dhoey07 on March 22, 2014, 10:02:09 AM
am going to the ronde in 2 weeks and will give the mint a go. purple is good. I luv the boggans to schumaker trip. sheeps, eagles and otters, awesome. mike w
Are you going to float it?