Post by: denali on March 12, 2014, 09:52:20 AM
A large domestic guard dog that took a month-long romp on the wild side in Pend Oreille County forced Washington Fish and Wildlife officials to capture and spay an endangered female gray wolf on Saturday.
“Our goal is restoration of a native wolf population not in producing a generation of hybrids we'd have to take care of in another way later,” said Donny Martorello, the department's carnivore manager in Olympia.
The wolf was one of two females in the new Ruby Creek Pack that biologists have been tracking with GPS collars since July.
The unusual action came after biologists learned that an Akbosh sheep dog climbed a 7-foot-tall fence from its yard near Ione and disappeared with the two female wolves for more than a month during February when wolves go into heat.
“If there had been a male wolf in the group, the dog would have been killed instantly,” Martorello said. But the two females tolerated him and breeding occurred, he said.
Biologists easily tracked the GPS signal and used a helicopter to shoot tranquilizers and capture the wolves. One female was pregnant; the other was not, he said. Both were released in the Pend Oreille River area.
“Spaying (the pregnant wolf) was a better alternative than trying to go out and kill all the pups after they're born,” he said.
The dog had run off with the wolves for about a week in early January, but biologists were able to monitor the wolves and tell the dog's owner when they were back near the home. The homeowner was able to call the dog in.
“We were already suspicious,” Martorello said. “Dogs and wolves usually don't mix.”
Wildlife officials advised the dog owner to restrain the dog for the rest of the winter. While dogs can come into heat throughout the year, wolves generally come into estrus only in January and February, Martorello said.
“But when those females came back in a few days, one must have been in estrus because that big, intact dog climbed a seven-foot orchard fence and took off with them from mid-January through February,” he said.
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2014/mar/11/state-spays-wild-wolf-after-its-bred-loose-dog/ (http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2014/mar/11/state-spays-wild-wolf-after-its-bred-loose-dog/)
Wildlife officials advised the dog owner to restrain the dog for the rest of the winter- hey... WDF and wolves how about you restrain your "dogs" , sorry could not resist :rolleyes:
Post by: boneaddict on March 12, 2014, 10:00:01 AM
Post by: timberfaller on March 12, 2014, 10:03:58 AM
Sad thing is they get paid to act the way they do!! at our expense! :bash:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 12, 2014, 10:25:05 AM
Post by: huntnphool on March 12, 2014, 10:32:36 AM
A bullet would have been cheaper.Or two!
Post by: snowpack on March 12, 2014, 11:13:44 AM
Post by: FC on March 12, 2014, 11:23:10 AM
Post by: Curly on March 12, 2014, 11:34:38 AM
How do the tranquilize a wolf, perform surgery, and not affect the pups?
I agree that a bullet or two would have been the best solution.
I need to quit reading this crap, I don't know how much more by blood pressure can handle. >:(
Post by: AspenBud on March 12, 2014, 11:49:34 AM
when the wolves are snatching up golden-labradoodle-puggles
That would actually be a good thing for the dog world. :chuckle:
Post by: AspenBud on March 12, 2014, 11:52:33 AM
How do the tranquilize a wolf, perform surgery, and not affect the pups?
At a lot of shelters pups from spays are euthanized during the procedure. I have no idea why anyone would want to save the pups in this case.
Post by: Oldguy on March 12, 2014, 11:54:47 AM
Post by: bearpaw on March 12, 2014, 12:27:00 PM
Brings to mind a new way to reduce the wolf population.... :chuckle:
Post by: headshot5 on March 12, 2014, 12:32:32 PM
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I thought the same thing initially. But then I realized that the wolf is going to have a bunch of hybrid puppies. Then there will be a bunch of hybrids out there killing wildlife and eventually breeding more and creating more hybrids. Unless I'm totally reading the article wrong, and I very well could be since it doesn't make any sense. Why would they allow hybrids to be born?
Pretty sure the wolf won't have the pups.
Post by: Curly on March 12, 2014, 12:34:34 PM
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“Spaying (the pregnant wolf) was a better alternative than trying to go out and kill all the pups after they're born,” he said.
They must have aborted the fetuses when they spayed the wolf. None of it makes much sense, but I guess having a spayed female out there isn't that bad. It would have been better to put a bullet in her though.
Post by: Curly on March 12, 2014, 12:36:26 PM
QuoteI thought the same thing initially. But then I realized that the wolf is going to have a bunch of hybrid puppies. Then there will be a bunch of hybrids out there killing wildlife and eventually breeding more and creating more hybrids. Unless I'm totally reading the article wrong, and I very well could be since it doesn't make any sense. Why would they allow hybrids to be born?
Pretty sure the wolf won't have the pups.
Yeah. That is good news.
I realized that right after I posted and deleted it.
Post by: wolfbait on March 12, 2014, 05:40:43 PM
Native Wolf? If Donny was really interested in restoring the native wolves, he would recommend killing the wolves the USFWS illegally introduced.
Isn't Donny the WDFW guy who said WDFW would pay the vet bill on John's dog, that one of their planted wolves attack> and then he had to renege once it hit the net?
Post by: Bullkllr on March 12, 2014, 05:47:26 PM
QuoteI thought the same thing initially. But then I realized that the wolf is going to have a bunch of hybrid puppies. Then there will be a bunch of hybrids out there killing wildlife and eventually breeding more and creating more hybrids. Unless I'm totally reading the article wrong, and I very well could be since it doesn't make any sense. Why would they allow hybrids to be born?
Pretty sure the wolf won't have the pups.
Yeah. That is good news.
I realized that right after I posted and deleted it.
Yeah, but is the fact that this happened at all more laughable or perverse? I can't decide...
Post by: billythekidrock on March 12, 2014, 06:28:14 PM
Spend a bunch of money to spay the wolf? What was the point? It will not help in getting closer to delisting. Now you have two wolves that are getting habituated to pets. Killing the wolf would have been cheaper and safer in the long run.
Post by: pd on March 12, 2014, 06:39:47 PM
ENDANGERED SPECIES — The saga of wolf recovery in Washington has taken a strange tryst.
“But when those females came back in a few days, one must have been in estrus because that big, intact dog climbed a seven-foot orchard fence and took off with them from mid-January through February,” he said.
I am not purposely daft. But what exactly is an intact dog?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 12, 2014, 06:41:23 PM
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Post by: TheHunt on March 12, 2014, 06:47:38 PM
Post by: wolfbait on March 12, 2014, 06:48:00 PM
They advised the owner of the dog to restrain his dog, it was behind a 7 foot fence, I would have said wait tell I sent you a stud service bill. ;)
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: billythekidrock on March 12, 2014, 06:48:16 PM
ENDANGERED SPECIES — The saga of wolf recovery in Washington has taken a strange tryst.
“But when those females came back in a few days, one must have been in estrus because that big, intact dog climbed a seven-foot orchard fence and took off with them from mid-January through February,” he said.
I am not purposely daft. But what exactly is an intact dog?
Means his junk works.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 12, 2014, 06:48:52 PM
Post by: bearkautz on March 12, 2014, 06:54:40 PM
A bullet would have been cheaper.
:yeah: :tup:
Post by: wolfbait on March 12, 2014, 06:58:00 PM
Sooo WDFW's new wolves aren't dogs? I thought they said a wolf is a wolf? Are wolves dogs or are they something special? Or is everyone mixed up except Donny?
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on March 12, 2014, 07:39:04 PM
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Post by: bearpaw on March 13, 2014, 08:00:44 AM
I wonder if the WDFW (planned parenthood mobile unit) would castrate a young dispersing male wolf if it was hanging around a farm/ranch looking for love? :tung:
:yeah: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Killmore on March 13, 2014, 08:24:05 AM
Post by: flatbkman on March 13, 2014, 08:28:49 AM
Post by: kentrek on March 13, 2014, 08:35:57 AM
This doesn't quite fit with them telling us for years that only alpha males and alpha females breed. Do you think they were telling us a lie?
:yeah:
Post by: nwwanderer on March 13, 2014, 08:54:02 AM
Post by: mulehunter on March 13, 2014, 09:16:02 AM
:yeah:A bullet would have been cheaper.
:yeah: :tup:
:hunter:
Post by: bearpaw on March 13, 2014, 09:20:56 AM
:yeah:A bullet would have been cheaper.
:yeah: :tup:
:hunter:
:yeah: But that makes too much sense for WDFW to do that. This spayed wolf is of no good to the wolf population, to help get wolves delisted, or for any other reason. We simply have one wolf out there eating deer, elk, and moose.
The only good thing is that there won't be hybrid pups growing up, but a bullet sure could have taken care of that.
Post by: Broker on March 13, 2014, 01:34:32 PM
This doesn't quite fit with them telling us for years that only alpha males and alpha females breed. Do you think they were telling us a lie?AHEM, somebody figure it out. Be careful flatbkman, if black helicopters start circling your home, WDFW may be on their way to "educate" you to their version of reality! :yike:
I'm completely with you here, Wolves are wild dogs, I've never believed only the Alpha's bred.
Even if what they say is true, all it would take is one beta or below female to wander off and BAM we have another breeding pair.
This guard dog scaled a 7 ft fence to get to a female.
My old duck hunting lab once chewed through a chain link fenced kennel to get to the neighbors lab that was in heat.
There's no way only the Alpha female breeds.
Post by: Expedition Scout on March 13, 2014, 05:03:18 PM
Post by: steen on March 13, 2014, 06:35:47 PM
“Our goal is restoration of a native wolf population not in producing a generation of hybrids we'd have to take care of in another way later,” said Donny Martorello, the department's carnivore manager in Olympia."It seems to me if the female was willing to mate with a domestic dog (that was in a high fence) then the female wolf should be exterminated instead of telling the owner to restrain his dog (that was in a high fence situation). It would have saved a lot of tax payer's money unless you want to foot the bill, I don't!!!!!
Native Wolf? If Donny was really interested in restoring the native wolves, he would recommend killing the wolves the USFWS illegally introduced.
Isn't Donny the WDFW guy who said WDFW would pay the vet bill on John's dog, that one of their planted wolves attack> and then he had to renege once it hit the net?
Just sayin
Post by: wolfbait on March 13, 2014, 07:34:10 PM
“Our goal is restoration of a native wolf population not in producing a generation of hybrids we'd have to take care of in another way later,” said Donny Martorello, the department's carnivore manager in Olympia."It seems to me if the female was willing to mate with a domestic dog (that was in a high fence) then the female wolf should be exterminated instead of telling the owner to restrain his dog (that was in a high fence situation). It would have saved a lot of tax payer's money unless you want to foot the bill, I don't!!!!!
Native Wolf? If Donny was really interested in restoring the native wolves, he would recommend killing the wolves the USFWS illegally introduced.
Isn't Donny the WDFW guy who said WDFW would pay the vet bill on John's dog, that one of their planted wolves attack> and then he had to renege once it hit the net?
Just sayin
Or WDF&Wolves can pay to extend the fence, but then they would look stupid agin. In the Yellowstone the USFWS documented wolf packs that had up to four litters per pack, so a pack of six or seven wolves grew to a pack of thirty over night. When WDFW make statements like they just did they are still trying to snow those who believe the lies and don't know any different or brain-wash the ones who are bran new.
Post by: wolfbait on March 13, 2014, 07:44:47 PM
The USFWS introduced wolves into the three hardest states first, states that would never have allowed wolves once the truth was known. And now you need to look at WDFW and their own state ESA protected wolf program, and ask yourself if WDFW has your hunting opportunities in mind?
Post by: Brianshounds on March 15, 2014, 07:03:48 AM
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Post by: denali on May 08, 2014, 10:48:35 PM
Ware reports it was hit by a car and killed recently.
:chuckle: :chuckle: karma
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/editors-blog/washington-cougars-seriously-dont-like-wolves/ (http://nwsportsmanmag.com/editors-blog/washington-cougars-seriously-dont-like-wolves/)
Post by: ICEMAN on May 09, 2014, 07:27:21 AM
I would have told wildlife to cram it up their cram hole. Keep your trashy wolves where they belong.
Where are the liberals on this? How dare wildlife get involved in crushing the natural beauty of genetic diversity!
Post by: Axle on May 09, 2014, 07:53:25 AM
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A large domestic guard dog that took a month-long romp on the wild side in Pend Oreille County forced Washington Fish and Wildlife officials to capture and spay an endangered female gray wolf on Saturday.
Well, this part of the article is wrong. The gray wolf is not - nor ever has been endangered. They were unlawfully brought here though.
Post by: nwwanderer on May 09, 2014, 08:47:56 AM
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Post by: wolfbait on May 09, 2014, 08:33:04 PM
I don't understand why they would waste money spaying the wolf. They removed it from the gene pool by sterilizing it, so I don't see the purpose of releasing. They should have just put it down and called it a day. I bet it would have been cheaper, and I can't see any benefit to releasing a sterile wolf if their goal is "restoration of a native wolf population" :bash: If it was an Alpha female, and it rejoins a pack are the males still going to try to breed her? Or will they just breed females that are not sterile?
"I don't understand why they would waste money spaying the wolf."
Headlines>>>See now WDFW wouldn't try to snow people would they? After all WDFW have been in the wolf business since the 1980's at least. I think WDFW would like the people of WA to know, that they will not allow any of their wolves to mate with anything but the "alpha" male. It is another way of covering for all of the hybrid wolves.
True wolf management will have to come from the public. WDFW and Honesty is just like WDFW and wolf management. Shot full of holes.
Post by: Oldguy on May 19, 2014, 12:39:28 PM
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