Post by: villageidiot on March 19, 2014, 06:25:40 AM
Post by: Special T on March 19, 2014, 06:46:36 AM
Post by: jackmaster on March 19, 2014, 07:00:10 AM
Post by: AspenBud on March 19, 2014, 07:03:02 AM
"Seven cougars have been shot by wildlife enforcement officers in the Methow Valley since December following attacks on domestic animals. At least five dogs have been attacked, including a dog killed on Christmas day."
http://methowvalleynews.com/2014/03/12/cougar-shot-after-killing-dog-at-home-west-of-twisp/ (http://methowvalleynews.com/2014/03/12/cougar-shot-after-killing-dog-at-home-west-of-twisp/)
Agree people should have the right to defend what's theirs and themselves from wolves however.
Post by: bhawley76 on March 19, 2014, 07:40:59 AM
Post by: wafisherman on March 19, 2014, 07:52:35 AM
Post by: BullMagnet76 on March 19, 2014, 08:17:36 AM
I'm glad I was not in that predicament 40 yards. I THINK I would have had to break the law. :sry:
:yeah:
Post by: Hunter Dug on March 19, 2014, 08:19:06 AM
Pretty simple really... Shoot both coyotes for attacking your pets. Call and report directly to Fitkin who will confirm the coyote attack. :tup:
Bingo winner winner. No question what I would do.
Post by: bearkautz on March 19, 2014, 08:32:26 AM
Post by: Fowlweather25 on March 19, 2014, 08:55:49 AM
Post by: Old Dog on March 19, 2014, 08:58:19 AM
Shoot them, and tell the biologist to pound sand. :tup:
Post by: inchtowntracking on March 19, 2014, 09:15:08 AM
Pretty simple really... Shoot both coyotes for attacking your pets. Call and report directly to Fitkin who will confirm the coyote attack. :tup:
That's when they would turn back into wolves and he wouldn't need a specialist to confirm.
Post by: boneaddict on March 19, 2014, 09:49:20 AM
Post by: timberfaller on March 19, 2014, 09:52:44 AM
It is time to "re-locate" some wolves and release them in downtown Seattle and Olympia!!
Post by: mulehunter on March 19, 2014, 09:54:12 AM
Shoot first, ask questions later.
:yeah: Thats what we all supposed to do..... :tup: I really support Cal more than any other GD in Okanagon County.
http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2014/mar/19/dog-injured-by-two-wolves/ (http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2014/mar/19/dog-injured-by-two-wolves/)
TWISP — Wildlife officials say a bulldog was injured by two wolves outside its home west of Twisp Tuesday morning.
The incident was not likely an actual attack, but an effort to get the bulldog to submit, said Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife Sgt. Dan Christensen.
Post by: Southpole on March 19, 2014, 09:56:01 AM
Post by: boneaddict on March 19, 2014, 09:57:05 AM
From all I hear, he(Cal) isn't for any agenda, but is fair and calls it like it is. That's very Respectful
Post by: kentrek on March 19, 2014, 10:01:19 AM
I'm surprised the FW officers/specialists didn't tell her she should have had her dogs inside the house or a fenced yard. :rolleyes:
Thats what they tell you if a bald eagle attacks your puppy..."should have had a roof on your kennal"
Post by: bhawley76 on March 19, 2014, 10:19:16 AM
Post by: wolfbait on March 19, 2014, 11:49:48 AM
I'm surprised the FW officers/specialists didn't tell her she should have had her dogs inside the house or a fenced yard. :rolleyes:
I think the "specialist" started in 2013, and told Fitkin that lying about wolf predations on livestock and pets would not fly anymore. It would appear Fitkin does not listen too well.
Post by: woodswalker on March 19, 2014, 11:54:56 AM
fitkin needs some wall to wall counseling until he sees it right.... i wonder what the pro wolfers think about this :dunno: move them wolves to olympia and seattle
Motion seconded and carried.
Post by: Southpole on March 19, 2014, 11:56:08 AM
Glad to hear the specialist has a good strong spine.I'm surprised the FW officers/specialists didn't tell her she should have had her dogs inside the house or a fenced yard. :rolleyes:
I think the "specialist" started in 2013, and told Fitkin that lying about wolf predations on livestock and pets would not fly anymore. It would appear Fitkin does not listen too well.
Post by: AspenBud on March 19, 2014, 11:57:09 AM
I'm surprised the FW officers/specialists didn't tell her she should have had her dogs inside the house or a fenced yard. :rolleyes:
Every west sider who lives under city dog ordinances and the threat of lawsuits if their dogs bite someone will ask why she didn't have a fence. Actually I can think of quite a few dogs that were allowed to "live free" that I'd have liked to have used a .38 on when walking by.
Post by: notellumcreek on March 19, 2014, 12:01:41 PM
S S S !:yeah: :mgun:
Don't forget to pick up your casings when using the SSS method!
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 19, 2014, 12:14:55 PM
Post by: Killmore on March 19, 2014, 03:26:16 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 19, 2014, 03:41:36 PM
Pretty simple really... Shoot both coyotes for attacking your pets. Call and report directly to Fitkin who will confirm the coyote attack. :tup:That would be my approach! :tup:
Post by: wolfbait on March 19, 2014, 06:29:09 PM
HAINES -- A Haines woman beat back a wolf with a ski pole but was unable to keep it from killing and devouring one of four dogs she was walking with during a midday ordeal near 40 Mile Haines Highway.
Hannah Bochart, 24, said she never felt threatened during the attack and said the wolf looked tired and desperate but determined. "She was making a wide circle, and she was able to move faster than us in the snow," she said.
From her family home at 39 Mile, Bochart set out on snowshoes at around noon March 5 for her daily walk across the Klehini River. She usually takes two family dogs, Mason and Tuphor, but on this trip also was accompanied by her sister's two smaller dogs, Okum and Little Bear.
While crossing the river, Bochart spotted a large, gray wolf with a black mask and black stripe down its back, about a half-mile downriver. The wolf spotted them, trotted toward them a distance in a snowmachine track and sat down in the snow. "I was going to give (the wolf) her space. I was thinking of protecting her (from the dogs), so I headed back (to the house)."
Alerted by a dog's bark, she turned and found the wolf had approached to within about 20 feet, although she had been looking out for it, Bochart said. "As soon as we saw her, she laid down. She looked weak and wobbly and was panting a lot. I was thinking it was a wolf that was really hungry, or old, or had just had pups."
Working the perimeter, the wolf was able to lunge and pin each of the dogs momentarily, before the other dogs and Bochart chased it off. Four times it pinned 16-year-old Mason, a husky-lab-rottweiler mix that was the largest of the four pets. Still, it was smaller than the wolf Bochart estimated at the shoulder would stand about as tall as her hip.
"She was physically pretty imposing, but she was totally silent. She didn't snarl or make any noise," Bochart said.
Bochart said during the scuffles she hit the wolf with her ski pole two or three times. "She looked really scared and desperate. She kept looking at me, but she never made a move for me, even when I was away from the dogs. This wasn't a human killer or a rabid animal. It was obvious she was very scared."
Also, the wolf's fatigue was noticeable when it couldn't keep up with Tuphor, a "fat little husky" that escaped after the wolf separated it from the others.
After about 20 minutes of skirmishes, the wolf pinned Little Bear, a bearded collie mutt.
"Mason exploded and attacked her. That was the first real dogfight. ... The wolf got him by the throat and killed him in an instant. It was done in a second. Without ever looking at us, she began eating his body, with us standing right there," Bochart said.
Bochart, who was yelling during the ordeal, trying to attract help, turned and got the other dogs home. When she returned to the attack site the next day, there was almost nothing left of Mason's carcass, she said. "She'd eaten all of him. It leads me to think it's been a hard winter and that she was starving."
A wolf matching the description of the one that attacked her dogs was photographed the next day near the U.S. Customs Station, about two miles from the site of the attack. Bochart said she's heard of no other sightings of the animal.
Bochart, who grew up at 39 Mile, said her family saw wolf packs across the river occasionally when she was a child "but since the neighborhood grew, we just don't see them anymore." There are stories of encounters between wolves and dogs allowed to run at night, but no recent ones there about wolves approaching people during the day, she said.
Bochart said the attack rattled the surviving dogs and made her more cautious about going outdoors with pets, but she's not making any big changes, like carrying a gun on her hikes, as someone has suggested.
"I don't want it to make me fearful. Ninety-nine percent of the time you can move through the wilderness and be safe if you're respectful of large animals. It's a one-in-a-million occurrence when you meet an animal that's desperate and willing to take a chance."
"I really wouldn't want this to end with the wolf getting shot. I'd rather she just leave and live a full life somewhere else," Bochart said.
Area wildlife biologist Ryan Scott described the incident as odd. "The fact that it was so brazen it would go up to people like that is the biggest head-scratcher. Generally speaking, wolves avoid people and only go after dogs when nobody is around."
It's possible that the wolf was an old one that was no longer with a pack and struggling to hunt, Scott said. A hungry, aging wolf in Skagway a few years ago made an attempt on a leashed dog, he said.
"The fact that it started eating the dog without paying attention to (Bochart) suggests that it was just so hungry that it abandoned its fear of people and other dogs and just went for it," Scott said.
Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2014/03/17/3379165/wolf-kills-eats-dog-after-battle.html#storylink=cpy (http://www.adn.com/2014/03/17/3379165/wolf-kills-eats-dog-after-battle.html#storylink=cpy)
I wonder if Ryan Scott went to the same school as Fitkin? :dunno:
"I don't want it to make me fearful. Ninety-nine percent of the time you can move through the wilderness and be safe if you're respectful of large animals. It's a one-in-a-million occurrence when you meet an animal that's desperate and willing to take a chance."
I bet the Alaskan school teacher wished she would have had a gun. There's a difference between fearful and prepared. Which could be dead or alive or badly mangled.
Post by: Special T on March 19, 2014, 08:50:16 PM
Post by: AspenBud on March 20, 2014, 07:18:00 AM
You r a sucker if you go into the woods without a gun, especially after something like that happening... Guess she is OK with having her dog killed and eaten... I'm not, nor am i as passive as this dumb broad. :bash:
Who walks into the great outdoors in Alaska without a gun anyhow? Seriously. Hello finger, meet light socket. :rolleyes:
Post by: wolfbait on March 20, 2014, 08:25:50 AM
Dog injured by two wolves
TWISP — Wildlife officials say a bulldog was injured by two wolves outside its home west of Twisp Tuesday morning.
The incident was not likely an actual attack, but an effort to get the bulldog to submit, said Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife Sgt. Dan Christensen.
http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2014/mar/19/dog-injured-by-two-wolves/ (http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2014/mar/19/dog-injured-by-two-wolves/)
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I wonder if the wolf that "attacked" Steives dog last spring was just trying to get her to submit also? Or was that an attack? I suppose if you shoot one of WDFW's wolves while it is trying to kill one of your pets, their answer will now be the wolf/wolves didn't mean any harm, they just need more submission from your animals.
How stupid will WDFW's excuses become?
Post by: magnanimous_j on March 20, 2014, 08:56:46 AM
It is time to "re-locate" some wolves and release them in downtown Seattle and Olympia!!
As someone who lives in Seattle, I think a couple wolf packs would go a long way in thinning out the junkies in Belltown and Capitol Hill.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 20, 2014, 09:11:45 AM
Post by: eastsidemallard74 on March 20, 2014, 09:17:27 AM
Post by: AspenBud on March 20, 2014, 09:25:15 AM
Dog injured by two wolves
TWISP — Wildlife officials say a bulldog was injured by two wolves outside its home west of Twisp Tuesday morning.
The incident was not likely an actual attack, but an effort to get the bulldog to submit, said Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife Sgt. Dan Christensen.
http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2014/mar/19/dog-injured-by-two-wolves/ (http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2014/mar/19/dog-injured-by-two-wolves/)
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I wonder if the wolf that "attacked" Steives dog last spring was just trying to get her to submit also? Or was that an attack? I suppose if you shoot one of WDFW's wolves while it is trying to kill one of your pets, their answer will now be the wolf/wolves didn't mean any harm, they just need more submission from your animals.
How stupid will WDFW's excuses become?
My fingers burn writing this, but on this one I have to agree with you. It's almost like they gave a veiled warning with that, "if you defend your dog, don't call us or we'll find a way to tack you to the wall for it."
Post by: wolfbait on March 20, 2014, 01:23:14 PM
Dog injured by two wolves
TWISP — Wildlife officials say a bulldog was injured by two wolves outside its home west of Twisp Tuesday morning.
The incident was not likely an actual attack, but an effort to get the bulldog to submit, said Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife Sgt. Dan Christensen.
http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2014/mar/19/dog-injured-by-two-wolves/ (http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2014/mar/19/dog-injured-by-two-wolves/)
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I wonder if the wolf that "attacked" Steives dog last spring was just trying to get her to submit also? Or was that an attack? I suppose if you shoot one of WDFW's wolves while it is trying to kill one of your pets, their answer will now be the wolf/wolves didn't mean any harm, they just need more submission from your animals.
How stupid will WDFW's excuses become?
My fingers burn writing this, but on this one I have to agree with you. It's almost like they gave a veiled warning with that, "if you defend your dog, don't call us or we'll find a way to tack you to the wall for it."
I bet they did> WDFW will have hard time defending their BS lies, do to the history of wolves in ID, MT and Wyoming. But it does give a new prospective of how low they really are as they lie for their environmental friends.
Post by: boneaddict on March 20, 2014, 01:29:07 PM
Post by: bearpaw on March 20, 2014, 02:01:10 PM
You r a sucker if you go into the woods without a gun, especially after something like that happening... Guess she is OK with having her dog killed and eaten... I'm not, nor am i as passive as this dumb broad. :bash:
In nature it's "Survival of the fittest!"
Possible Darwin Award entry in the future? :dunno:
Post by: wolfbait on March 20, 2014, 03:23:14 PM
You r a sucker if you go into the woods without a gun, especially after something like that happening... Guess she is OK with having her dog killed and eaten... I'm not, nor am i as passive as this dumb broad. :bash:
In nature it's "Survival of the fittest!"
Possible Darwin Award entry in the future? :dunno:
Sounds more like WDFW stupidity, which I'm sure those who have ended up at the teeth end of wolves would or will agree with>Chomp-chomp.
Post by: mkcj on March 20, 2014, 04:00:33 PM
I'm surprised the FW officers/specialists didn't tell her she should have had her dogs inside the house or a fenced yard. :rolleyes:
That's what it's come to in the Methow, when something like this happens all the liberals come out screaming, you need to keep your pets and livestock fenced so a cougar or wolf can't get at them. One of them actually told me it should be considered baiting if a predator can get to your animals. :bash:
Post by: wadu1 on March 20, 2014, 04:13:53 PM
I like the idea, but what would happen if they cleaned out a bunch of junkies. You may end up with a bunch of junked up wolves. Better idea move them to Mercer Island where all the liberals live, pure wussie protein.It is time to "re-locate" some wolves and release them in downtown Seattle and Olympia!!
As someone who lives in Seattle, I think a couple wolf packs would go a long way in thinning out the junkies in Belltown and Capitol Hill.
Post by: buckfvr on March 20, 2014, 04:22:59 PM
I'm surprised the FW officers/specialists didn't tell her she should have had her dogs inside the house or a fenced yard. :rolleyes:
That's what it's come to in the Methow, when something like this happens all the liberals come out screaming, you need to keep your pets and livestock fenced so a cougar or wolf can't get at them. One of them actually told me it should be considered baiting if a predator can get to your animals. :bash:
It shocks me that these so called professionals will go along with a program that clearly makes them appear completely ignorant and idiotic.........its shameful. If one of them told you that, he is a complete turd AND idiot.........not to be trusted for anything. And these guys wonder why no one calls them for anything..........bunch of flippin drones................
Post by: wolfbait on March 20, 2014, 05:00:45 PM
So now theirs a "Specialist" to tell the WDFW what animals are attacking? Wow, and these are paid Gov. officials, double wow. No wonder our country has no money!!!!! :twocents:
Scott Fitkin who has been with WDFW/defenders of Wildlife and now CNW from the 1990's can't seem to tell what killed anything especially if it concerns wolves.
The wolf "Specialist" told Scott Fitkin that lying about wolves killing livestock/pets would only piss the public off, which is where we are today. And now we have Sgt. Dan Christensen lying to everyone who knows better.
WDFW will be the most disliked agency in WA before long. I pity the people who work there and know they only have ten years left till retirement.
Post by: wolfbait on March 20, 2014, 05:10:22 PM
I'm surprised the FW officers/specialists didn't tell her she should have had her dogs inside the house or a fenced yard. :rolleyes:
That's what it's come to in the Methow, when something like this happens all the liberals come out screaming, you need to keep your pets and livestock fenced so a cougar or wolf can't get at them. One of them actually told me it should be considered baiting if a predator can get to your animals. :bash:
Thats probably where Sgt. Dan Christensen got the idea! Wouldn't you just love to be him tonight with WA state seeing what dumb is all about?
Post by: idahohuntr on March 20, 2014, 05:40:44 PM
It's almost like they gave a veiled warning with that, "if you defend your dog, don't call us or we'll find a way to tack you to the wall for it.":yeah:
Even if you can't technically defend your pets, you are certainly entitled to defend yourself. Shoot the wolf attacking your pet, call your lawyer and SAY NOTHING TO WDFW or anyone else! Its up to them to prove that you are guilty and self-defense is a legitimate legal defense. I certainly would not tolerate a wolf attacking my dog, mule, or any other animal I own. :twocents:
As others mentioned, a jury trial in NE Wa should work out just fine :chuckle: If the prosecutor gets the trial moved West however...you may be executed :yike:
Post by: sakoshooter on March 21, 2014, 02:41:27 AM
fitkin needs some wall to wall counseling until he sees it right.... i wonder what the pro wolfers think about this :dunno: move them wolves to olympia and seattle
Motion seconded and carried.
All in favor say "I". I.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on March 21, 2014, 05:06:56 AM
Post by: boneaddict on March 21, 2014, 05:52:05 AM
http://methowvalleynews.com/2013/08/07/dogs-caught-in-wolf-traps-set-on-forest-service-land/ (http://methowvalleynews.com/2013/08/07/dogs-caught-in-wolf-traps-set-on-forest-service-land/)
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 21, 2014, 05:58:11 AM
Post by: villageidiot on March 21, 2014, 06:02:33 AM
Post by: mulehunter on March 21, 2014, 06:33:03 AM
BUT....its an extension of their backyard....... :chuckle:
http://methowvalleynews.com/2013/08/07/dogs-caught-in-wolf-traps-set-on-forest-service-land/ (http://methowvalleynews.com/2013/08/07/dogs-caught-in-wolf-traps-set-on-forest-service-land/)
Sorry dogs, Trust me if it was my hounds. :yike:
Wolf. :bfg:
Post by: Northway on March 21, 2014, 09:26:30 AM
It is time to "re-locate" some wolves and release them in downtown Seattle and Olympia!!
As someone who lives in Seattle, I think a couple wolf packs would go a long way in thinning out the junkies in Belltown and Capitol Hill.
Or the Rainier Valley. I'll take the predators in Twisp over the predators around here any day of the week.
Post by: wolfbait on March 21, 2014, 12:12:10 PM
http://www.omakchronicle.com/news/2014/mar/20/wolves-attack-family-dog-twisp/ (http://www.omakchronicle.com/news/2014/mar/20/wolves-attack-family-dog-twisp/)
"In the wake of yesterday’s attack, Christensen said he has asked a wolf research biologist to find out more about the wolves’ condition, from age and sex to their overall health.
#Meanwhile, he said the Fish and Wildlife will continue to monitor the area.
#“We will take whatever measures necessary to protect the public,” he said.
#Christensen said the public should report wolf or cougar sightings to the Wildcom dispatch center by calling 877-933-9847.
#Attacks in progress should be reported via 911."
I wonder how many wolf sightings WDFW have ignored in the last 20 years, telling people there are no wolves in the area, or they were hybrids, domestic dogs, or coyotes, and later are forced to come out with first wolf pack in 70 years BS? :bash: :bash: :bash:
Yep, thats what I'm going to do, call 911 while WDFW's wolves practice their submission tactics on my dogs. :rolleyes:
Post by: Jingles on April 03, 2014, 12:41:28 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 22, 2014, 08:28:25 AM