Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 21, 2014, 10:04:01 AM
I don't really want to:
a. Pack up 15# of water
b. Hike back down every two days
Thoughts?
Post by: cbond3318 on March 21, 2014, 10:11:32 AM
Post by: baldopepper on March 21, 2014, 10:12:19 AM
Post by: washelkhunter on March 21, 2014, 10:13:11 AM
Post by: cvandervort on March 21, 2014, 12:26:06 PM
My pack for a few days is around 45 lbs, but I could go lower...if you can cut to 45, plus a couple gallons, you'd be right at 60.
Just a thought.
Post by: jackmaster on March 21, 2014, 12:31:03 PM
Post by: snowpack on March 21, 2014, 12:35:52 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on March 21, 2014, 12:53:01 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 21, 2014, 01:15:58 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 21, 2014, 01:28:38 PM
15# of water would be less than 2 gallons (approx. 8#/gal) Don't know how much hiking you've done at that altitude, but keep in mind that if you're coming from sea level it's going to take a lot of your stamina away. Not much of an alternative if your dry camping other than packing it in. I'd sure look at a drop camp situation if you can afford it and it's available.I was up there yesterday. I'll be up there plenty between now and then, that doesn't mean that I want to pack 20# of water up there every time I go on a hike...
I'll be investigating a packer/local friend to get our stuff up there. I'll also scour the earth (Goolge Earth) to try and find a water source up there but I don't have high hopes.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 21, 2014, 01:31:36 PM
Get a filtering straw. Take a few liters with you and get the rest on the road.Proof that some people don't read posts. Use the filtering straw to filter what? Dirt? Pine needles?
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 21, 2014, 01:34:50 PM
Jackmaster. The 30 gallon drum idea is genius!! Maybe even a 20 gallon drum. Better yet I'll get my partner to buy it for me!!!
Post by: cbond3318 on March 21, 2014, 01:42:52 PM
Post by: baldopepper on March 21, 2014, 01:52:59 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 21, 2014, 01:54:22 PM
Get a filtering straw. Take a few liters with you and get the rest on the road.Proof that some people don't read posts. Use the filtering straw to filter what? Dirt? Pine needles?
I read your post. I don't believe there's absolutely no standing water anywhere or there wouldn't be any critters. You don't have to be a jerk.
Post by: lostbackpacker on March 21, 2014, 02:02:24 PM
Post by: WSU on March 21, 2014, 02:03:12 PM
Really. Thanks for all of your ideas guys. My partner just called me soft, he can piss off, it's my hunt and I can do what I want :chuckle:
Jackmaster. The 30 gallon drum idea is genius!! Maybe even a 20 gallon drum. Better yet I'll get my partner to buy it for me!!!
I'd get the packer to haul a nice comfy camp in for me and tell my partner to piss off and let him be thirsty/uncomfortable. Easy decision!
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 21, 2014, 04:56:33 PM
Now's your time to strike pianoman...I've never had a chance to explore the north side of the mountain, think there's some H2O over there?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 21, 2014, 05:08:39 PM
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on March 21, 2014, 06:06:05 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on March 21, 2014, 06:43:22 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 21, 2014, 06:45:58 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on March 21, 2014, 08:03:21 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 21, 2014, 09:18:51 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on March 21, 2014, 10:15:56 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 21, 2014, 10:26:03 PM
10 4. I apologize pianoman. I was outta line but I have to go on the assumption that there is no water since I haven't found any before. But animals...oh yeah there's animals!! On the other hand this is a location that I don't ever have time to explore fully and I'll hunt it for a week and still not cover half the area I want to.We're good.
Now's your time to strike pianoman...I've never had a chance to explore the north side of the mountain, think there's some H2O over there?
If you're finding animals, there's water somewhere. Happy hunting.
Post by: Expedition Scout on March 22, 2014, 06:53:44 AM
Get a filtering straw. Take a few liters with you and get the rest on the road.Proof that some people don't read posts. Use the filtering straw to filter what? Dirt? Pine needles?
I read your post. I don't believe there's absolutely no standing water anywhere or there wouldn't be any critters. You don't have to be a jerk.
I was thinking the same thing (what are you hunting that doesn't need water?)
Post by: jackmaster on March 22, 2014, 08:12:06 AM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 22, 2014, 08:30:15 AM
PS: This hunt used to be called "Idaho Man Hunt" but I'm thinking about calling it "Softie Hunt 2014" :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 22, 2014, 08:41:27 AM
Post by: baldopepper on March 22, 2014, 09:35:15 AM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 22, 2014, 09:48:17 AM
However due to the realization that I'm to soft and weak for this hunt I will be signing up for a high fence hunt instead, and not one of those 10,000 acre high fence hunts either, more like the kind where they put em in a cattle chute... :chuckle:
Post by: JM on March 22, 2014, 09:56:57 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 23, 2014, 02:18:46 PM
1. I don't want to do a 3000' climb every morning to start the hunt
1a. Kills energy
1b. Kills time
2. Part of the fun is camping right in the middle of it all
**Exactly 7 months away and I'm starting to iron out the details, I'm proud of myself now but there'll be plenty of room for epic failure down the road :chuckle:
Post by: fillthefreezer on March 23, 2014, 02:44:07 PM
It's about time somebody believed me!!i thought the fact mule deer dont drink water was common knowledge? :chuckle:
However due to the realization that I'm to soft and weak for this hunt I will be signing up for a high fence hunt instead, and not one of those 10,000 acre high fence hunts either, more like the kind where they put em in a cattle chute... :chuckle:
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 23, 2014, 03:28:02 PM
Post by: JM on March 23, 2014, 07:28:11 PM
I know it doesn't answer your question, but it could be a solution to your problem.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 23, 2014, 08:59:09 PM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on March 24, 2014, 08:27:25 AM
I agree that sleeping in the backcountry is half of the fun, but if water is that big of a concern then 2 miles and 3000' of elevation gain should only take 30 minutes tops even with gear and not trying to break a serious sweat.
I know it doesn't answer your question, but it could be a solution to your problem.
I never doubt someone's physical abilities (see my bear thread last year), but that's a pretty ambitious pace with no load.
For example, Mt Peak in Enumclaw is 1 mile 1050 ft of elevation gain, my personal record is 15:40, fastest I've heard was 14 min. That's practically running. I did 75 lbs up it last week and it took 35 min.
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Post by: romaknows on March 24, 2014, 09:12:20 AM
I agree that sleeping in the backcountry is half of the fun, but if water is that big of a concern then 2 miles and 3000' of elevation gain should only take 30 minutes tops even with gear and not trying to break a serious sweat.
I know it doesn't answer your question, but it could be a solution to your problem.
WOW, 3000 ft and 2 miles in under 30 minutes, I guess I am in really bad shape.
Post by: Timberstalker on March 24, 2014, 01:33:29 PM
I agree that sleeping in the backcountry is half of the fun, but if water is that big of a concern then 2 miles and 3000' of elevation gain should only take 30 minutes tops even with gear and not trying to break a serious sweat.
I know it doesn't answer your question, but it could be a solution to your problem.
Can you help me pack this Fall? I could use you. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: JM on March 24, 2014, 05:11:31 PM
I agree that sleeping in the backcountry is half of the fun, but if water is that big of a concern then 2 miles and 3000' of elevation gain should only take 30 minutes tops even with gear and not trying to break a serious sweat.
I know it doesn't answer your question, but it could be a solution to your problem.
WOW, 3000 ft and 2 miles in under 30 minutes, I guess I am in really bad shape.
I guess so
Post by: JM on March 24, 2014, 05:15:35 PM
I agree that sleeping in the backcountry is half of the fun, but if water is that big of a concern then 2 miles and 3000' of elevation gain should only take 30 minutes tops even with gear and not trying to break a serious sweat.
I know it doesn't answer your question, but it could be a solution to your problem.
I never doubt someone's physical abilities (see my bear thread last year), but that's a pretty ambitious pace with no load.
For example, Mt Peak in Enumclaw is 1 mile 1050 ft of elevation gain, my personal record is 15:40, fastest I've heard was 14 min. That's practically running. I did 75 lbs up it last week and it took 35 min.
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Post by: Holg3107 on March 24, 2014, 05:26:53 PM
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I agree that sleeping in the backcountry is half of the fun, but if water is that big of a concern then 2 miles and 3000' of elevation gain should only take 30 minutes tops even with gear and not trying to break a serious sweat.
I know it doesn't answer your question, but it could be a solution to your problem.
This is hilarious!!!! 30 minutes tops :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: JM must be some kind of mountain god or something. 2 miles and 3000' without gear is at least an hour and that's moving pretty good. Normal walking pace is 20 minutes per mile on flat land.
There has to be water access somewhere.
If not I would pack in water and store it during scouting trips. Or do a pre-trip water run. One guy could take 6 gallons up in one trip and come back down in the same day. If you and your hunting partner did that once and stored it you would be good to go.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 24, 2014, 08:21:07 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 24, 2014, 08:26:21 PM
Be willing to put quite a bit of money on JM being able to walk most on this forum into the ground............just sayin.
I don't know the guy and I'd never doubt him, but thinking everyone should be able to keep that pace is sort of over the top. That's a ridiculous speed. I'm not very fast but I dont think I'm too slow either. I do 2.5-3 mph on an average hike.
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on March 24, 2014, 08:28:19 PM
Be willing to put quite a bit of money on JM being able to walk most on this forum into the ground............just sayin.
I don't know the guy and I'd never doubt him, but thinking everyone should be able to keep that pace is sort of over the top. That's a ridiculous speed.
This...I think he misunderstood my post, while I was trying to be crystal clear I wasn't doubting him per say. But 99% of the hunters in the world, maybe more, couldn't maintain that pace. I'm sure there's one or two floating around on Hunt Wa who can, maybe JM is it.
I know I'm not.
Post by: JM on March 24, 2014, 08:29:09 PM
Be willing to put quite a bit of money on JM being able to walk most on this forum into the ground............just sayin.
Thanks for sticking up for me, but don't worry about it. I have no reason to try and argue anything with the mob on this site. Besides you know that nothing could bother me right now. I've been on cloud 9 since Friday
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 24, 2014, 08:58:24 PM
standard maternity leave. Stare at baby until baby falls asleep, then get on huntwa until baby wakes up, repeat process! :chuckle:Be willing to put quite a bit of money on JM being able to walk most on this forum into the ground............just sayin.
Thanks for sticking up for me, but don't worry about it. I have no reason to try and argue anything with the mob on this site. Besides you know that nothing could bother me right now. I've been on cloud 9 since Friday
Post by: Watimberghost on March 24, 2014, 09:05:53 PM
There have been multiple years where I have packed in water to high country elevations that I was less than confident in the water supply. The pre season trips were brutal, but day 3 of my hunt I was beyond grateful. Good luck on your hunt!
Post by: BLUEBULLS on April 26, 2014, 09:12:41 PM
I agree that sleeping in the backcountry is half of the fun, but if water is that big of a concern then 2 miles and 3000' of elevation gain should only take 30 minutes tops even with gear and not trying to break a serious sweat.
I know it doesn't answer your question, but it could be a solution to your problem.
Ridiculous statement. Yeah it can be done but I surely wouldn't say 30 minutes "TOPS".
That's 4 mph and I'd honestly bet my left n$# that 90+% of backcountry hunters don't do that on flat ground with pack on.
Post by: BLUEBULLS on April 26, 2014, 09:16:16 PM
30 min :yike::yike: please see previous posts... me S-O-F-T :hello: I think I'm gonna try for the melt snow into a jog approach in a few weeks.
Hey bud, you need to relax. You're going to hurt yourself with this water stress. I'll just have my wife carry yours in for you. She's not a softy.
:chuckle:
Post by: Mr Mykiss on April 27, 2014, 09:48:39 AM
I had another thought. Not sure if'n the locals told me there was water up there because...
a. There's water up there.
or
b. There's no water up there and they want us to wither and die or just leave and get the hell outta their cash money huntin spot...
Post by: Mr Mykiss on May 15, 2014, 05:51:41 AM
I agree that sleeping in the backcountry is half of the fun, but if water is that big of a concern then 2 miles and 3000' of elevation gain should only take 30 minutes tops even with gear and not trying to break a serious sweat.
You were right, I guess I underestimated myself. I'm fat, outta shape and sick and I made it in just under 28 minutes yesterday. I had about 20# on me but I reckon with a full pack and a little working out I should be right around 30 min.
Post by: dmv9 on May 15, 2014, 07:21:13 AM
I agree that sleeping in the backcountry is half of the fun, but if water is that big of a concern then 2 miles and 3000' of elevation gain should only take 30 minutes tops even with gear and not trying to break a serious sweat.
I know it doesn't answer your question, but it could be a solution to your problem.
Sorry, guy, but for normal out of weight people, 30 mins is not close. I use 2 mi/hr at around 1000-2000 elevation gain. And yes, I am sweating and probably will drink most of the water on the way up.
Post by: Stein on June 08, 2014, 11:44:07 AM
2. Sell half at ballpark prices to your buddy to pay for the packer.
Outside that, the best idea would be to take 1-2 gallons up and stash them each scouting trip. Or, take up empty containers and a stove and melt that snow that is up there now. I have seen plenty of places where you can't easily get at water. Animals can go up and down 3000 feet without much trouble. It takes me more effort, plus all that time is minutes and hours I am not hunting.
Post by: JM on June 08, 2014, 07:34:15 PM
So how about just over a mile with 2200' of gain and a 55 pound pack in 40 minutes? How's this sound?
Post by: jackelope on June 08, 2014, 08:19:03 PM
Just saw this again and noticed you guys were still taking shots at my post?
So how about just over a mile with 2200' of gain and a 55 pound pack in 40 minutes? How's this sound?
The last comment about your post was almost a month ago.
:dunno:
Post by: kentrek on June 08, 2014, 08:34:56 PM
Just saw this again and noticed you guys were still taking shots at my post?
So how about just over a mile with 2200' of gain and a 55 pound pack in 40 minutes? How's this sound?
Still alil out of reach for the average guy
In general its one hour per 1000 feet regardless of distance to an extent....guys in shape can cut that in Half....thats not with out a heavy pack
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on June 08, 2014, 10:44:10 PM
Just saw this again and noticed you guys were still taking shots at my post?
So how about just over a mile with 2200' of gain and a 55 pound pack in 40 minutes? How's this sound?
Still alil out of reach for the average guy
In general its one hour per 1000 feet regardless of distance to an extent....guys in shape can cut that in Half....thats not with out a heavy pack
What trail are you doing this on? Not being a smart ass, just legitimately curious. I'd like to test my metal against it.
Post by: kentrek on June 08, 2014, 10:56:43 PM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on June 08, 2014, 11:24:33 PM
Me ?
No sorry JM. He was talking about 2200 vert in 1 mile. Just curious where he's finding that at.
Post by: kentrek on June 09, 2014, 12:03:20 AM
Post by: jdb on June 09, 2014, 06:09:05 AM
Not many people can probably stay up to speed with JM on them hills.your age is showing
And 2200 feet in elevation gain is not an exaggeration. I know of a few places here that you can go to to fit that criteria. Heck, if you start at the sheep feeding station and go to the right of meystre and head up, that is over a 2,000 vertical hike. The sheep station is 1700 feet and the tallest part of clemans above the sheep feeding station (the point on top) is over 4000 feet.
Bottom line, a person under the age of 45 should be able to hike a 2000+vertical mile in less than 40 min with at least 50 lbs on. If you cant, get off the couch and lose a few pounds.
Post by: Jingles on June 09, 2014, 06:31:20 AM
Post by: Stein on June 09, 2014, 09:55:45 AM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on June 09, 2014, 11:56:09 AM
Also I've cut my 2 mile, 3000 ' climb time down to just under 14 minutes by using a pair of rollerblades...
Post by: jackelope on June 09, 2014, 12:02:54 PM
Also I've cut my 2 mile, 3000 ' climb time down to just under 14 minutes by using a pair of rollerblades...
Never thought of that.
Post by: boneaddict on June 09, 2014, 12:13:47 PM
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Bottom line, a person under the age of 45 should be able to hike a 2000+vertical mile in less than 40 min with at least 50 lbs on. If you cant, get off the couch and lose a few pounds.
That's funny :chuckle:
Post by: Timberstalker on June 09, 2014, 12:22:12 PM
Post by: Curly on June 09, 2014, 12:25:37 PM
I'd love to see a video of that. :chuckle:
Post by: Bill W on June 09, 2014, 12:32:32 PM
Older hunters have the advantage of hunting smarter than the young ones.
I had a youngster in on the High Hunt with me. He was a "graduate" of the Seattle Mountaineers. I was a graduate of the la-z boy couch. I gave him a hunting spot to check out and told him to let me know when he was done. He was back in camp by lunch and said he didn't see any thing. I was told by others that he was spotted running across the open areas and jumping from rock to rock. It took me three more years to teach him "The Way of the Snail". I had intended for him to take the whole day to hunt that area and move slowly.
He initially wondered why I was so lazy and sat with my back against a rock, holding my binoculars. He learned.