Post by: Bullets_n_Octane on March 24, 2014, 11:03:52 PM
During deer season last year, I saw 0 deer, 0 elk and a dead bear cub, and TONS of Wolf prints West of 97. East of 97 was obviously torched by the Table Mountain fire. BUT, wouldn't birds move back into a formerly burned area, and ARE Turkeys as easy a target as Deer?.. with the flight thing and all...? Just a few questions I have been hesitating to ask, but I figured why not...
Post by: Bullets_n_Octane on March 27, 2014, 11:29:04 PM
I realize there is a post prior to mine regarding a similar question, but I asked questions that were not addressed in that post.... Do birds reurn to wildfire areas once regrowth has come in? Are birds as pressured by wolves as Deer/Elk..etc... anyone?
Also, slightly off topic... is there as many birds up in the Chewawa unit as there are in Teannaway and other nearby units? I've seen tracks around Fish Lake, but never any birds...
Post by: turkeydancer on March 28, 2014, 07:04:27 AM
Deer are easier than turkeys IMO as they are very wary knowing everything out there wants a free turkey dinner
Yes, they will move back into burned areas when they green up ...
Yes, they do get pressures by wolves as well as coyotes and everything else out there ....
Post by: jackelope on March 28, 2014, 07:58:21 AM
I did not shoot in hopes of finding a longbeard, which didn't happen.
Post by: kevinp16 on March 28, 2014, 09:05:02 AM
This year will be my first Spring season with my bow.
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Post by: Bullets_n_Octane on April 02, 2014, 11:30:28 PM
Post by: Fishnfowler on April 03, 2014, 12:35:29 AM
As for this year, I would plan on burning a lot of boot leather and spending tons of time to get a mature bird.
Post by: kevinlisa06 on April 03, 2014, 07:58:27 AM
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Post by: klickman on April 07, 2014, 07:21:52 AM
I live on the Cle Elum ridge and know the Cle Elum and Teanaway valley as good as anybody and better than most. Living and working in Cle Elum gives me plenty of contacts. I have a small property on the ridge and have around a hundred birds on my lot most winters. This year I had the fewest mature Toms of any winter yet. We generally have 15-20 longbeards, the most was 51 and before this year the least was 8. This year I had 4. I've been scouting both sides of the Cle Elum valley along with the Teanaway and Hidden Valley. What I'm seeing on my place is consistent with the rest of my hunting areas. The mature birds are few and far between. We have a healthy crop of jakes and with two more years of good nesting, we might have something.
As for this year, I would plan on burning a lot of boot leather and spending tons of time to get a mature bird.
I'm seeing the same thing. Been a tough few years for broods up until last year. Give Cle Elum a rest this year boys and it should start to rebound fast. I will be heading to Klickitat.
Post by: MADMAX on April 07, 2014, 07:26:17 AM
2 things
1) Turks on the roadway right of way
2) probably shouldnt teach your kids that technique huh ?
Other than those never saw another all day in the hills
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Post by: PA BEN on April 07, 2014, 04:58:06 PM
Was tough on the youth hunt, saw and heard nothing. Usually pretty decent this time of year. Liberty seems to have been tough the past few years. Been able for most part to find birds in both areas. I too am curious what the Wolf will do, never seen much study on wolf predating Turkeys but if they predate everything else to where other Predators like Bobcat, cougar have to turn to turkeys more than usual???? Those birds do seem to migrate quite a bit, though. Couldn't tell if the already moved higher than normal for this time of year or not.Watched a coyote rush a flock yesterday, they jumped and flew off so fast it made my head spin. He didn't get one and messed up our hunt. I don't think wolfs or coyotes get many this time of the year. Now when they are young is a different story.
Post by: turkeydancer on April 08, 2014, 07:34:48 AM
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Post by: kevinlisa06 on April 09, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
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Post by: Tom Tamer on April 10, 2014, 10:16:55 PM
Many years ago I monitored radioed hens in northern New England. Almost no coyote mortality - EXCEPT - 75% of our nesting hen mortality was by coyotes. I've hunted toms in burned areas in the WY/SD/NE Black Hills, they like the burns very well in the spring.
Interesting. Makes some sense, being opportunistic and smart, they waste a lot more energy on chasing one down than finding one hunkered down on her nest. Would bet Wolves would follow the same mold to a degree.
Post by: teanawayslayer on April 13, 2014, 08:18:06 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 14, 2014, 03:04:23 PM
Not to thread jack but what is the snow like up around liberty? We have 10 acres up there and I would like to get in there soon but not sure what the snow depths are looking like. I don't hunt turkeys but if I find some birds on there I might be able to get talked into letting a guy in to take one or two. They usually come through our place every spring.
Aunt and uncle were at our property this weekend. Guess there is still snow in the shady areas and the road is greasy getting in. They said there was deer, elk and turkey sign in camp as well as they heard some turkeys chirping and gobbling up above camp. Bet a guy could call a tom in to our meadow with a few decoys and some good calling.
Post by: bigtex on April 15, 2014, 01:36:28 PM
Post by: Bullets_n_Octane on April 16, 2014, 03:10:17 AM
A) Up until 2 years ago, the Roslyn side of Teannaway had LOTS of animals in it. In some places, harder to get at because of terrain and such, but still thick with Deer and Elk. However, the last two years in the Roslyn area, have been an economical drain on my Hunting dollars. Both years, Wolf tracks everywhere I go throughout the unit, from Pac Crest, to foothills to the West of US97.
B) Foothills East of US97 all the way to the Colockum have been scorched here and there, however in that same week of scouting each year, I have seen tons of grouse on the East side of 97 and alot more hooved animal prints/sign. If Turkeys dig regreen areas within old fire areas, I would think that any birds to be found in the area, would be Liberty or East to the Columbia...
I am starting to think that the hills above Roslyn is just becoming Wolf Central, cuz I literally have not even seen anything edible up there in years now...
Post by: smittyJ on April 19, 2014, 07:06:19 AM
Post by: Bullets_n_Octane on April 21, 2014, 01:46:23 AM
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Post by: teanawayslayer on April 21, 2014, 06:58:59 AM
These last two posts have me thinkin now.two years ago we were headed to our spot in the dark and a wolf crossed the road just up the road from where we were driving. about 500 yards down the road there were 8 cow elk. Gee I wonder what the wolf was up to? Very true statement when you say there aren't as many animals up there. It's sad
A) Up until 2 years ago, the Roslyn side of Teannaway had LOTS of animals in it. In some places, harder to get at because of terrain and such, but still thick with Deer and Elk. However, the last two years in the Roslyn area, have been an economical drain on my Hunting dollars. Both years, Wolf tracks everywhere I go throughout the unit, from Pac Crest, to foothills to the West of US97.
B) Foothills East of US97 all the way to the Colockum have been scorched here and there, however in that same week of scouting each year, I have seen tons of grouse on the East side of 97 and alot more hooved animal prints/sign. If Turkeys dig regreen areas within old fire areas, I would think that any birds to be found in the area, would be Liberty or East to the Columbia...
I am starting to think that the hills above Roslyn is just becoming Wolf Central, cuz I literally have not even seen anything edible up there in years now...
Post by: Zuus on April 21, 2014, 05:01:25 PM
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Post by: Bullets_n_Octane on April 21, 2014, 10:38:43 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 22, 2014, 09:29:32 AM
Man that's crazy. Nothing like a Bear that close... Something I love and focus on yearly is Bear Hunting, but never in those areas because I haven't seen any Bearover there in YEARS... so it's good to hear you seen one. Although when I did see Bears in those areas they were pretty gnarly Boars...
I hang a camera on our property and usually get 3-4 different bears a year. Have seen some really nice ones and had a few last year that came by my camera almost daily.
Post by: Tom Tamer on April 22, 2014, 05:08:50 PM
Post by: dr.derek on April 22, 2014, 09:30:08 PM