Post by: Come Get Some on March 26, 2014, 07:17:35 AM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 26, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
Post by: jackmaster on March 26, 2014, 08:20:20 AM
Post by: viva_che1363 on March 26, 2014, 08:33:25 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 26, 2014, 09:55:40 AM
I just thought of something funny... Your brother could have held that 26 pounder and with it, he'd weigh what he did less than 2 months ago :yike:
Good for both of you guys, those elk don't stand a chance ;)
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 27, 2014, 08:03:10 AM
That one fish is a TANK! :tup:
I just thought of something funny... Your brother could have held that 26 pounder and with it, he'd weigh what he did less than 2 months ago :yike:
Good for both of you guys, those elk don't stand a chance ;)
And neither do the steelhead they catch! :rolleyes:
Post by: bullchaser on March 27, 2014, 08:34:02 AM
Post by: TheHunt on March 27, 2014, 08:41:43 AM
Post by: Ripper on March 27, 2014, 09:38:18 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on March 27, 2014, 09:46:32 AM
Nice fish :tup: I'm glad you and you brother had a good day on the river. Don't let the haters and mightier than thou bother you. It's lonely up on that pedestal and they need to knock others down to maintain their position above all the rest of us.
Theres a HUGE difference between being high on your soapbox/mightier than thou, and legally handling a wild steelhead that is being released. These fish were caught on a river where wild fish have to be released and therefore legally cannot be removed from the river. Black and white, clear as day. Can't argue this one.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 27, 2014, 10:02:47 AM
Nice fish :tup: I'm glad you and you brother had a good day on the river. Don't let the haters and mightier than thou bother you. It's lonely up on that pedestal and they need to knock others down to maintain their position above all the rest of us.For a guy who seems legit and loves to fish and help others. Your comment shows your true side. Like 7mm said. This is blatent against the law activity.
You must be ok with that.
Post by: snowpack on March 27, 2014, 10:15:13 AM
Post by: bullchaser on March 27, 2014, 10:33:53 AM
If you had a guide he should be fined for taking this pic and not showing you the right way to do this.
Post by: sirmissalot on March 27, 2014, 11:55:26 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on March 27, 2014, 01:30:44 PM
I didn't see where they were released, or what river they came from. Still seven coastal rivers open to retention for another month.
You are right, so lets clarify. I know where these fish were caught because I was there as well. All fish were caught between Hartzel's and the Clearwater bridge on the Queets River, which is not open for wild retention. Anyone who knows the river will recognize the runs in the pictures.
I hate to pull away from the great fish and sky high feeling of catching them, but there was blatant illegal activity and p*** poor judgment on the handling of those fish, especially the one in the boat. By all appearances, his forward hand is in the gills on the back side of that fish.
I love to look at fish pictures online as much as the next guy, I just wish people would use better judgement when posting them. Make sure their legal, to cover your own rear end if nothing else.
Post by: h20hunter on March 27, 2014, 01:34:21 PM
Regardling the legality it seems that those that know have made that clear. I would never post pictures of this online.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 27, 2014, 01:38:43 PM
Post by: snowpack on March 27, 2014, 02:22:00 PM
I didn't see where they were released, or what river they came from. Still seven coastal rivers open to retention for another month.
You are right, so lets clarify. I know where these fish were caught because I was there as well. All fish were caught between Hartzel's and the Clearwater bridge on the Queets River, which is not open for wild retention. Anyone who knows the river will recognize the runs in the pictures.
I hate to pull away from the great fish and sky high feeling of catching them, but there was blatant illegal activity and p*** poor judgment on the handling of those fish, especially the one in the boat. By all appearances, his forward hand is in the gills on the back side of that fish.
I love to look at fish pictures online as much as the next guy, I just wish people would use better judgement when posting them. Make sure their legal, to cover your own rear end if nothing else.
Okay, I was thinking it was Clearwater up by the cow pasture. If on the Queets, though, retention isn't allowed; but I don't know that the fish have to be legally kept in the water if released. I know it is a park recommendation, but is it law? I know you don't even need a fishing license, just a catch card.
Post by: 7mmfan on March 27, 2014, 02:33:08 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on March 27, 2014, 02:43:27 PM
Despite that, it still doesn't make it ok to manhandle fish that are meant to be released. I don't see how anyone can argue that.
I started a seperate thread on fish handling, so lets divert to that for management and ethical issues and give Come Get Some a little breathing room. They caught some great fish and I don't want to take away from that any more than we already have.
Post by: Come Get Some on March 27, 2014, 04:31:00 PM
Post by: steeleywhopper on March 27, 2014, 04:49:26 PM
On a side note, Nice fish and it looks like it was one of those trips a guy will never forget.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 27, 2014, 04:51:08 PM
We need a head-shaking smiley for this thread.
Post by: beave on March 27, 2014, 06:00:16 PM
Post by: tmike on March 27, 2014, 06:14:29 PM
Post by: bankwalker on March 28, 2014, 07:20:43 PM
It's obvious extra time was not taken for the pic. Looks to me more like a quick snap as the fish was in the beginning of being Released.
I still am completely disgusted though with the comments of those who feel it's ok to handle wild steelhead out of water and so poorly on such a regular basis.
It's illegal to remove them from the water, even if legal to keep....IF you do NOT intend to keep them.
It's in the regs.
There are very few exceptions and the second pic/situation is one where the fish would and could have been injured far worse if it was to sit in a net thrashing around while trying desperately to remove hooks.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 28, 2014, 08:28:14 PM
I can excuse the boat pic. If the fish was netted, and hooked on a plug...it's a pain in the butt to get the hooks out of the net and the fish without a lot of unnecessary handling.
It's obvious extra time was not taken for the pic. Looks to me more like a quick snap as the fish was in the beginning of being Released.
I still am completely disgusted though with the comments of those who feel it's ok to handle wild steelhead out of water and so poorly on such a regular basis.
It's illegal to remove them from the water, even if legal to keep....IF you do NOT intend to keep them.
It's in the regs.
There are very few exceptions and the second pic/situation is one where the fish would and could have been injured far worse if it was to sit in a net thrashing around while trying desperately to remove hooks.
I agree with most of your points Bankwalker :tup:. The plug issue is why the hooks on plugs should be replaced with singles- even if it's not required- which it clearly is on that stretch of river. Releasing a fish with a single-hooked plug is no different than any other lure. Taking the fish to the bank, as suggested in the thread this one spawned, generally makes for a more efficient release, whether a net is involved or not. And based on the background in the pic, that would not have been too difficult.
Post by: Come Get Some on March 30, 2014, 06:41:00 AM
I can excuse the boat pic. If the fish was netted, and hooked on a plug...it's a pain in the butt to get the hooks out of the net and the fish without a lot of unnecessary handling.
It's obvious extra time was not taken for the pic. Looks to me more like a quick snap as the fish was in the beginning of being Released.
I still am completely disgusted though with the comments of those who feel it's ok to handle wild steelhead out of water and so poorly on such a regular basis.
It's illegal to remove them from the water, even if legal to keep....IF you do NOT intend to keep them.
It's in the regs.
There are very few exceptions and the second pic/situation is one where the fish would and could have been injured far worse if it was to sit in a net thrashing around while trying desperately to remove hooks.
I agree with most of your points Bankwalker :tup:. The plug issue is why the hooks on plugs should be replaced with singles- even if it's not required- which it clearly is on that stretch of river. Releasing a fish with a single-hooked plug is no different than any other lure. Taking the fish to the bank, as suggested in the thread this one spawned, generally makes for a more efficient release, whether a net is involved or not. And based on the background in the pic, that would not have been too difficult.
These fish were caught in February. Another case where someone who doesnt have a clue running their mouth again. I have been catching steelhead since before most of you were born. Responses like this is why some of the other forumns have a bad reputation. If you have a comment that you need to share and is just your opinion not backed up by FACT try a PM. And yes I am tired of idots running their mouths. I am sure that will get a favorable response.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 30, 2014, 07:37:59 AM
With all due respect to your fishing skills and history, don't you think you opened yourself up for some negative reactions to your post just a bit. And it's the "facts" relating to the situation that have brought on speculation and on-going discussion. And I would add that veteran and accomplished fishermen such as yourself need to maintain a higher standard to help educate those that are new and/or simply don't know any better.I can excuse the boat pic. If the fish was netted, and hooked on a plug...it's a pain in the butt to get the hooks out of the net and the fish without a lot of unnecessary handling.
It's obvious extra time was not taken for the pic. Looks to me more like a quick snap as the fish was in the beginning of being Released.
I still am completely disgusted though with the comments of those who feel it's ok to handle wild steelhead out of water and so poorly on such a regular basis.
It's illegal to remove them from the water, even if legal to keep....IF you do NOT intend to keep them.
It's in the regs.
There are very few exceptions and the second pic/situation is one where the fish would and could have been injured far worse if it was to sit in a net thrashing around while trying desperately to remove hooks.
I agree with most of your points Bankwalker :tup:. The plug issue is why the hooks on plugs should be replaced with singles- even if it's not required- which it clearly is on that stretch of river. Releasing a fish with a single-hooked plug is no different than any other lure. Taking the fish to the bank, as suggested in the thread this one spawned, generally makes for a more efficient release, whether a net is involved or not. And based on the background in the pic, that would not have been too difficult.
These fish were caught in February. Another case where someone who doesnt have a clue running their mouth again. I have been catching steelhead since before most of you were born. Responses like this is why some of the other forumns have a bad reputation. If you have a comment that you need to share and is just your opinion not backed up by FACT try a PM. And yes I am tired of idots running their mouths. I am sure that will get a favorable response.
Cases in point (hopefully some is fact-relevant):
1. Pics of fish that don't appear follow WA state regulations. Sure there could have been a logical explanation for what appear to be wild fish out of the water- like you were in Oregon- but you posted you went to "the coast" and this is HuntWASHINGTON. Or you could have been on a river where wild steelhead retention is allowed and just chose to keep those fish. But from the posing of the pictures it looks like they were being released. And from what was posted later, no retention is allowed where you were at. True- the ONP regs may not be as specific as the state regs on fish out of the water, but aren't we splitting hairs there...
2. See above as it relates to what is commonly known as best fish-handling practice regardless of legality.
3. The area where it appears you caught the fish has been open since March 1st with single-hook artificial lure only regulations. You claim to have brought the largish buck into the boat because it took a plug and there was a struggle to get the "hooks" out (your wording). I'm picturing a mag-wart or kwikfish with double trebles. The title of your thread was "Good Spring Weekend..." and was posted on March 26. Spring began the weekend previous to the posting, not in February. For those who know the regs on that river, that wasn't much of a leap...
And yes, if you posted this on Ifish or PiscPursuits, etc. the overall reaction would likely have been much more negative from the get go. Initially I posted simply "nice fish" until further (and let's be honest- questionable) details and defense started to emerge. I really don't want to question your knowledge or credibility here. But I think we all have some standards to uphold.
Post by: Come Get Some on March 30, 2014, 08:10:04 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 30, 2014, 08:16:53 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on March 30, 2014, 08:31:02 AM
The other thread mentioned the proper way to release fish. He also mentioned there is no hurry to release a fish floating in the net. Go ahead and let him rest. Come on. No one talked about that little tidbit. If you are going to hurry to land a fish that has to be released and not fully play it out as mentioned why would you not release it in the same speedy time frame.
So decades of successful broodstock programs where fish are placed in aerated fish holds is different than a fish in a net in water how? If you're not using a good knotless net maybe. Otherwise, it's the same thing.
Get Some, you are right. Pictures are a very poor way for people to judge a situation. We don't know the backstory, we don't know how long the fish was out of the water, we don't know what kind of hooks you were using, etc... There are to many unknowns. If you tell me that the fish were taken good care of and released in good condition, then I'm probably going to believe you.
The point trying to be made here is that an apparently illegal action was made by lifting multiple wild fish out of the water. That was clear as day in the pictures. There are people that come to these sites to browse around and try to learn a little about steelhead fishing and when they see pictures of fish after fish being held high out of the water, they think its ok. Those guys could end up killing fish accidently. or get a ticket for doing what they assumed was ok.
How many years before I was born that you were catching steelhead has absolutely nothing to do with this situation. Its about the resource, and our opportunity to continue using it, not YOU. The more it gets abused (or apparently since we honestly don't have all the facts), the more likely it is that our opportunities to use it will go away. If you fish as much as you do, and catch as many steelhead as you say you do, and apparently love the sport like the rest of us, then I'm sure you can get behind that ideal.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 30, 2014, 08:44:47 AM
Post by: Come Get Some on March 30, 2014, 09:44:52 AM
I agree. There is a diplomatic way to ask questions and deliver information. If it would have been done that way there may not have been a problem. There are alot of viewers looking for fault and information to learn from as well as question. No different than a guy using the 2 hen mallards to fill his limit. Although the regulations allow it some do not feel it should be so. Individual preference come in to play when all the facts are not known.
Many times you see a fish played out laying in a net belly up , although not dead I do not believe it is the proper way to handle a fish that needs to be released quickly and un efffected. The condition of my gear is far less important than the life or condition of the fish. I was making a point as to critisizm of a thread. I am sure you do not let a belly up fish set in the net for 10 minutes while you re-tie , bait up , wash your net and hands. Just making a point as to the negative comments flying around without knowing all of the facts. I see alot of threads on here from beginners and expierenced sportsman that could be commented on both in a positive or negative way. I choose not to rain on a guys parade because he may of quoted something wrong or been misunderstood. Until you walk in someone elses shoes or live the path they are leading at that time it is not for us to judge their behavior. I agree it is sometimes necessary to point out the blatent activities to help educate those who do not know. When there is more times than not grey area involved, Be DIPLOMATIC. It will get better results and more respect for your own opinion.
Post by: 7mmfan on March 30, 2014, 10:13:49 AM
I will admit that I get pretty fired up over this subject because its so close to my heart and the memories I've made pursuing these fish with my Dad all my life. I will make a concerted effort in the future to be a little more diplomatic and less confrontational.
I also agree on your observation of my suggestion on letting a fish rest in the net. I can see how without further explanation, it could be misunderstood by some who would let a fish sit belly up and die, not knowing any different. I'll make an adjustment to that so its clearer.
Post by: Come Get Some on March 30, 2014, 10:20:27 AM
Thanks
See you on the river
Jim
Post by: Bullkllr on March 30, 2014, 10:27:55 AM
I finally thought of a good analogy for this thread- one that I think is more accurate than your "2 hen mallards" example Get Some (which is a purely ethical- as opposed to ethical and legally questionable):
Say I post a picture on this site. I'm holding a dead spike mule deer. Lying across the torso of the deer is a
Ruger 10/22. I post it right after opening weekend of deer season in Eastern Washington. The title of the thread is "Opening Day Success". In the thread I say we went "east of the mountains". Would it not be fair to say it would draw some ethical and/or legal concerns from the members of this site? I think it extremely naive to think otherwise.
Then it might come out later that, oh yeah- it was awhile ago when spikes were legal. Oh yeah- we didn't shoot it with the 22- it just happened to be lying there...
...Get my drift...?
Edit: And as experienced as you are, I agree you had to have known this would get attention of one kind or another. So be careful what you wish for; as far as keeping all comments positive or via pm- I think that ship sailed with your original post.
Post by: tmike on March 30, 2014, 10:47:32 AM
Post by: HuntandFish on March 30, 2014, 11:58:45 AM
I am glad you had a good day on the water, where is the pic of the 26lb fish? That's what we would really like to see! Or is the pic of that one with your buddy holding it by the gills :chuckle:
Regards,
H&F
Post by: Come Get Some on March 30, 2014, 01:10:23 PM
One more comment ;)
I finally thought of a good analogy for this thread- one that I think is more accurate than your "2 hen mallards" example Get Some (which is a purely ethical- as opposed to ethical and legally questionable):
Say I post a picture on this site. I'm holding a spike mule deer. Lying across the torso of the deer is a
Ruger 10/22. I post it right after opening weekend of deer season in Eastern Washington. The title of the thread is "Opening Day Success". In the thread I say we went "east of the mountains". Would it not be fair to say it would draw some ethical and/or legal concerns from the members of this site?
Then it might come out later that, oh yeah- it was awhile ago when spikes were legal. Oh yeah- we didn't shoot it with the 22- it just happened to be lying there...
Get my drift...?
No I do not, Your analogy is in my opinion quite diffferent. These fish were not in a fish box or gutted and there is no hook and release on mule deer. I see your point but I do consider February early spring. For years it was the first nice month of the year. Always sunny and cold. Winter has definately turned in the northwest by Middle of Feb.
Post by: Taco280AI on March 30, 2014, 01:19:39 PM