Post by: LDennis24 on March 27, 2014, 10:35:19 PM
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Post by: JLS on March 28, 2014, 02:18:52 PM
about the only place you can get seed is in montana it is very winter hardy and an excellant sourse of protien it is a legume so it will produce it's own nitrtogen
:yeah:
Deer love it.
Post by: REHJWA on March 28, 2014, 04:43:00 PM
Post by: DeerThug on March 28, 2014, 05:24:55 PM
http://www.bing.com/search?q=sainfoin&pc=conduit&ptag=ACF06F750DFB44225AFF&form=CONBDF&conlogo=CT3210127 (http://www.bing.com/search?q=sainfoin&pc=conduit&ptag=ACF06F750DFB44225AFF&form=CONBDF&conlogo=CT3210127)
Copy this and click on the plant guide.
Post by: Whitpirate on March 28, 2014, 07:48:59 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on March 28, 2014, 10:32:44 PM
Cost: $1.50-$6+ a pound for seed depending on variety and where you buy itCost:$1.50-$6+ a pound
Planted at around 20+ lbs to the acre
PLANTING QUICK FACTS:
Depth of 1⁄2 to 1⁄4 inch
Drills with depth bands work good
Sainfoin does not emerge from deep planting May be seeded as solid stand in 7-12 inch rows or in wide rows (22 in).
May be planted with grain drill
Recommended seeding rates may vary
Can be broadcasted then raked in
No till drill will work
The higher the PH level the soil the better/ thrives between 7-8
Roundup Resistant, spray 4-6 ounces per acre on new seeding, 8-12 ounces as needed every year after that
Must be inoculated with a special inoculant
Can be done dry or dampened
Plant as early in the spring as possible. Can also be planted in early fall, for a better first year stand
www.sainfoinseed.net (http://www.sainfoinseed.net)
www.montanaseeds.com (http://www.montanaseeds.com)
Post by: mkcj on March 29, 2014, 12:17:08 AM
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Brian
Post by: LDennis24 on April 02, 2014, 04:14:16 PM
Post by: time2hunt on April 02, 2014, 07:18:34 PM
Not sure how big the bags were probably 50lbs it was differently cheaper to buy bulk at a 1.50lbs and pay flat rate shipping on a pallet of $250
Post by: bearpaw on April 02, 2014, 07:40:46 PM
http://montanaseeds.com/montana_seeds/Welcome.html (http://montanaseeds.com/montana_seeds/Welcome.html)
Not sure how big the bags were probably 50lbs it was differently cheaper to buy bulk at a 1.50lbs and pay flat rate shipping on a pallet of $250
I'm definitely interested in several bags. How much more do you need for an order at the good price? How much per bag do we need to plan on for shipping?
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RW
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tag, and tag again, and tag again,.... yes, we are all interested in how the original experiment went.....???
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https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_PLANTMATERIALS/publications/mtpmctn12043.pdf
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 06, 2019, 01:10:01 PM
Post by: Wsucoug on December 06, 2019, 05:53:55 PM
Now for the negative. Sainfoin is not very browse tolerant. It's considered a single cut hay in most applications. This is because it just doesn't bounce back after being consistently grazed. This can lead to weed issues, as lack of regrowth really allows for weeds to "fill in" the plot. So if you are in an heavily grazed area or already have lots of weeds, I'd suggest red clover, or even alfalfa. Sainfoin will most likely disappoint if this is the case.
The niche for sainfoin is that it is a big draw for deer especially when everything else is dry, but this is also its downfall. If you have good moisture I would stick with clovers. If you do plant, make sure your soil is well drained and in good shape. Also make sure you get the newest variety "Delaney Sainfoin" as its supposed to be more of a double cut variety, but I have not planted that type personally.
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Post by: Jonathan_S on July 16, 2020, 10:52:22 AM
It's seems a bit more drought tolerant and a richer green in the thinner soils. Deer clip it off the same as the falfa plants
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Post by: bearpaw on July 23, 2020, 06:03:50 PM
Maybe but I've got some areas that are getting watered regularly and are doing exceedingly well
Good, there's the answer he was looking for! :tup:
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Post by: bearpaw on July 23, 2020, 06:13:30 PM
Maybe but I've got some areas that are getting watered regularly and are doing exceedingly well
Good, there's the answer he was looking for! :tup:
Well maybe, just noticed you are located in Medical Lake, that's more like MT/WY than western WA.
Post by: jrebel on July 23, 2020, 09:44:52 PM
Maybe but I've got some areas that are getting watered regularly and are doing exceedingly well
Good, there's the answer he was looking for! :tup:
Well maybe, just noticed you are located in Medical Lake, that's more like MT/WY than western WA.
Dale
Where do you buy your oat that you are planting? Do you have to plant them every year or do they come back? I've been looking at planting some. I have great success with sucragrass (sp?) that comes back year after year and the deer appear to love it. I will be replanting most of my food plot this fall with it but would be interested in pockets of oats to see how they grow.
Post by: cem3434 on July 23, 2020, 10:48:19 PM
Post by: bearpaw on July 26, 2020, 07:20:28 AM
Maybe but I've got some areas that are getting watered regularly and are doing exceedingly well
Good, there's the answer he was looking for! :tup:
Well maybe, just noticed you are located in Medical Lake, that's more like MT/WY than western WA.
Dale
Where do you buy your oat that you are planting? Do you have to plant them every year or do they come back? I've been looking at planting some. I have great success with sucragrass (sp?) that comes back year after year and the deer appear to love it. I will be replanting most of my food plot this fall with it but would be interested in pockets of oats to see how they grow.
Oats are the easiest thing to grow that you can plant, if you spill them in your truck bed they will sprout and grow! :chuckle:
I buy some oat seed from the country store in Colville, I also buy some from local farmers when available for about half the price of retail oat seed. Oats must be planted every year, usually in the spring, you can plant in the fall, but they will not withstand fall frost and die off after heavy frost. For a fall planting I would recommend winter cereal rye or winter wheat, both grow almost as easy as oats, will provide fall green forage, spring forage, and will seed out in the summer. With grains you will need to plant every year, they are not perennial like grasses.
You could over seed your grass with some grain? It will sprout when it rains.
You could also plant a few patches of tetraploid rye grass (by itself or overseed) it comes in quickly after it rains and is very attractive to deer in the fall.
There are some seed mixtures called "throw and grow" and a couple others with similar names for fall planting, it's mostly tetraploid ryegrass, you can buy 25 lb bags of tetraploid ryegrass at the country store, it's much cheaper than buying several little 7 lb "throw and grow".
Post by: Ridgeratt on July 26, 2020, 07:37:12 AM
https://landmarkturfandnativeseed.com/products
They will custom blend anything you desire.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on July 26, 2020, 01:31:15 PM
https://www.connellwa.com/tri-state-seed/