Post by: whackmaster on March 29, 2014, 06:18:52 PM
broadside when the arrow left the bow the animal jumped forward and down causing
my shot to be back and high boy did this head make me look good a not so good shot ended up with him going 40yds Love these new heads
Thanks RADSAV you the man :tup:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 29, 2014, 06:28:56 PM
Post by: demontang on March 29, 2014, 09:44:02 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on March 29, 2014, 09:44:50 PM
Post by: lokidog on March 29, 2014, 09:47:00 PM
AND just how did you go about getting your hands on the new Savora heads already? I thought they weren't available for retail yet?
RadSAV is magical. :chuckle:
Post by: sakoshooter on March 29, 2014, 10:24:34 PM
AND just how did you go about getting your hands on the new Savora heads already? I thought they weren't available for retail yet?
RadSAV is magical. :chuckle:
I'll be PM'ing that boy asap.
Post by: MLBowhunting on March 29, 2014, 10:27:46 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 29, 2014, 10:34:21 PM
I feel left out. :'(Isn't that what killed the bull in your avatar pic? Your like one of the chosen ones :chuckle: :bow:
Post by: soccerftw123 on March 29, 2014, 10:57:50 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 30, 2014, 12:10:37 AM
Whackmaster likes a smaller, quieter, insanely accurate and super deep penetrating head as compared to Del who puts a larger emphasis on massive entry holes. Although that entry hole in Whackmaster's 'yote looks pretty darn impressive to me!!!
MLBowhunting and Whackmaster spent the past few years assisting me in testing my own preferred configuration. That prototype is very different from Del and Whackmaster's signature heads as I prefer a more moderate blade angle and don't worry much about the size of entry wounds in hide. After getting to know MLBowhunting these past few years I expect he will be switching to Whackmaster's configuration as soon as the machinists put their crack pipes down and complete our production parts.
We have cards, blisters and about 600,000 blades here just waiting for ferrules and screws. Report last Thursday was it's going to be another five to seven weeks before we start seeing the new Titanium and TripleSec ferrules. The Madman ferrule should be here within 3 to 4 weeks.
I have attached Del, Whackmaster and my heads so you can see the differences. Del and Whackmasters heads share a common ferrule while my TiCon does not.
Post by: RadSav on March 30, 2014, 12:30:06 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 30, 2014, 06:34:32 AM
Post by: whackmaster on March 30, 2014, 06:46:27 AM
Is your profile picture a coyote with an arrow in its head?Yes went through the back of his head and out between his eye.
Post by: furiouzgeorge on March 30, 2014, 06:48:03 AM
:drool:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 30, 2014, 07:34:41 AM
Post by: bullfisher on March 30, 2014, 08:12:47 AM
Post by: RG on March 30, 2014, 09:41:16 AM
Post by: scottcrb on March 30, 2014, 09:53:50 AM
Post by: bearpaw on March 30, 2014, 10:16:18 AM
Those heads look really nice. radsav.. :tup:
Post by: lokidog on March 30, 2014, 10:40:50 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 30, 2014, 11:19:42 AM
Post by: demontang on March 30, 2014, 12:05:19 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 30, 2014, 01:06:49 PM
WHUH!? Are you resurecting savora broadheads?
Well I'm going to try :chuckle:
We/RAD, Inc. bought the assets of Savora/Archer-Ammo a number of years ago. Since then we have been rebuilding equipment and testing different designs to bring a bit more modern profile to the old Savora concept. Our delays have been many and frustrations have run high. But the end results have been outstanding!
A lot of our designs have proven too difficult to machine in a production setting without costs being $100 per head. So it's taken a bit longer to make it to market than we had hoped. Even now the Titanium signature heads and the TripleSec heads are beyond the limits of what normal screw machines can handle. That makes our pool of available vendors quite small. Trying to purchase Martin Archery last year also put us behind by about five months. But, I think bowhunters are going to appreciate the efforts once we finally get them available.
Luckily for us, MLBowhunting, "Del" DelMastro, the Angry Squaw and Whackmaster have given us great reporting and put a very good number of animals on the ground through the testing phases. Some products have passed the field testing and some have needed modifications to improve durability. All have proven to be very accurate and lethal. We could never have come to this point where we are about to release product to the public had it not been for their skill and input. Of course we could have been like other manufacturers and just put product on the market and let paying customers test it for us. However, with this great bunch we've had the luxury of doing things the right way not just the profitable way.
But, as you can see in some of the posts...it's been a challenge of patience. I hope you and others will see the wait was worth it!
Post by: RadSav on March 30, 2014, 01:21:47 PM
Is your profile picture a coyote with an arrow in its head?Yes went through the back of his head and out between his eye.
Are you sure that's between the eyes :chuckle:
Post by: earlmarne on March 30, 2014, 01:37:04 PM
Post by: kisfish on March 30, 2014, 01:56:05 PM
Post by: bullfisher on March 30, 2014, 02:03:46 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 30, 2014, 02:24:12 PM
But I've always wondered how much easier machining a 3piece riser would be over a conventional method.
It's more convenient from a machining stand point, but not any easier IMO. Though I believe the three piece riser will be a thing of the past with the new owners. Last I spoke with them nearly everything made here in the USA was going to be machined from a one piece forging. I personally don't think it makes much of a difference in the end result, but it does reduce labor and less things to go wrong in the manufacturing process. These new Martin owners seem to be sparing nothing in their attempt to improve quality and shootability. To me that's exciting!
If their efforts remain as focused as they appear now I think Martin Archery will be back in play with the big boys in no time at all. While I wish I could have been the one making the changes, it's nice to know these guys are making good on the family tradition, the people of Walla Walla and the future archers that will purchase these bows! I personally think they are a perfect answer for Martin Archery. They definitely have more money than Darren and I would have had so I expect improvements to come much more rapidly than if we had been able to make it work. 2015 Martin Archery is going to be REALLY exciting from what I've seen!!
Post by: whackmaster on March 30, 2014, 02:49:31 PM
:chuckle:Is your profile picture a coyote with an arrow in its head?Yes went through the back of his head and out between his eye.
Are you sure that's between the eyes :chuckle:
Post by: bullfisher on March 30, 2014, 03:34:30 PM
Post by: Slimdog350 on March 30, 2014, 03:44:40 PM
Post by: MLBowhunting on March 30, 2014, 03:52:14 PM
Post by: buckfvr on March 30, 2014, 04:23:25 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 30, 2014, 04:37:03 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 30, 2014, 04:40:39 PM
Sick ...How could you :yike: :chuckle:Is your profile picture a coyote with an arrow in its head?Yes went through the back of his head and out between his eye.
Post by: RadSav on March 30, 2014, 05:01:26 PM
What models come in an 85 grain option?
There will be two 85 grain options. Both will have a 1" cutting diameter and vented blades. They will be available in the Madman series and the TripleSec. series.
I don't recommend 85 grain heads for very many users. Need awful short arrows or extremely light arrows to get the FOC correct. Although these things fly so nice with their compact profile you can get away with using Blazer X2 or AAE pro Max vanes and not be under fletched. That will save a little bit in the FOC issue.
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 30, 2014, 05:19:34 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 30, 2014, 05:29:11 PM
Look good to me.
That TripleSec is just flat out unreal! Same basic profile as Del and Whackmasters signature series, but aluminum and stainless instead of one piece titanium. TripleSec comes from Triple Security - (1) blades lock under the collar, (2) under the point, and (3) in the center using a Savora style foot. Dang difficult head to manufacture and assemble, but once it makes it into a package it's the easiest, most secure and simplest blade assembly one could imagine. It's quickly becoming a favorite of mine among those ferrules that share the common blades.
Post by: JJB11B on March 30, 2014, 05:32:39 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 30, 2014, 05:36:24 PM
Im looking forward to ordering some of these...You gonna make some carp fishing rigs too?
We have some ideas, but we are going to take a little time off from the chaos before coming out with a salad shooter.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 30, 2014, 05:59:00 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 30, 2014, 06:58:57 PM
BH 45 Likes the looks of the Madman ...sweeeeet .. I being having some of those ...hopefully they will replace my WASP :yike: :dunno: :chuckle:
It's sort of odd how we progressed in this design. Most at the ATA show thought we had used the WASP as the base for our design. But that really was not the case. I did not want to design a head myself and then tell "Del" to put his name on it. I really wanted "Del" to tell me everything he wanted in a broadhead and I would put a unique spin and Savora touch to it. As many know Del had been a Muzzy staffer for many years. The last few years with Muzzy he used the MX-75. Del wanted the same cutting diameter and blade angles of the MX-75 plus thicker sharper blades, 100 grains, a slightly longer point that aligned with the blades, titanium ferrule and super easy blade replacement. It was also a must that we machined it with a lot more precision than the often roughly produced Muzzy.
Our first design was so expensive to build we knew we could not offer it as a production head. And that design did not lend itself to more economically priced non-titanium versions. So we concentrated on the Savora center locking system first and went from there. We could not use the typical Savora spring and foot with these short steep blades unless we locked the tip of the blade under a point. But the process for doing that in a solid one piece titanium ferrule was too time consuming and expensive. So we made the foot smaller, replaced the spring with a solid stationary pin and scalloped the ferrule so we could easily place the pin in exactly the right position.
Once we had the locking system, ferrule length and blade configuration completed for the titanium head we then started work on the aluminum version. When I anodized the first one black and got it assembled we both said, "Dang, that looks a lot like a WASP :chuckle:" So instead of change everything once again, we embraced the similarities and applied the same "Tuck Under" blade tip instead of the industry standard 45 degree taper. I'm glad we did as it makes a much stronger nicer end product and the blades still work with the one piece titanium ferrule.
So a project that started as a way to improve upon the Muzzy MX-75 ended up being, by complete accident, an improved WASP with a Savora twist.
We felt the TripleSec was still going to be a little too expensive for the majority of bowhunters. And since we were going to get blamed as copy cats anyway we made a non-scalloped price conscious version without the center locking pin. While the special point shape and the thicker blades on the MadMan make it unique it still ended up costing us more money to produce than we had originally guessed. I really wanted it to be dirt cheap for the bowhunter on a budget, but we missed that target by a little bit. Most dealers should still be able to sell it for a little less than the WASP and a good bit less than the Muzzy.
Post by: bullfisher on March 30, 2014, 07:09:22 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 30, 2014, 07:13:48 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 30, 2014, 07:34:41 PM
I can see why Radsav ...when I look at all the broadheads you have up The Madman instantly got my attention ..it looks just like the Wasp Boss ...If it was black you may have fooled me :chuckle: I like the low profile blades ...They just penetrate bone better ...I am really looking forward to getting some from you ... :tup: :tup: Some want those bigger blades but in my opinion I will take the smaller blades any day ..if they are sharp and you hit them right its lights out .. NOW WHAT IS THE COST FOR 6 ...? :chuckle:
Unlike the WASP Boss you have the option of low profile solid blades (Whackmaster's configuration) or the high profile 1 3/16" version (Del's configuration) in addition to the low profile vented version. Configuration is closer to the WASP Bullet than the WASP Boss.
With marketing requirements the 6 pack is about a thing of the past. And while I really wanted a six pack that sold for $19.95 those days are gone too :'( Here is what we have listed as MAP on three packs;
Titanium Signature = $53.99
Ti-Con = $53.99
TripleSec = $39.99
MadMan = $32.99
9/PK replacement blades = $12.99
We are currently working on a couple additional products that will hopefully reach that $18-20.00 three pack MAP price. I'm also working with a few local dealers that will help us offer an introductory Hunt-Washington special getting these to members at a down and dirty price! RAD, Inc. is a wholesale manufacture so we are unable to sell direct at this time.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 30, 2014, 07:51:13 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 30, 2014, 08:05:02 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 30, 2014, 08:21:01 PM
Whats your favorite head in a 125 Rad, and why? :chuckle: I just wanted to ask a question because I feel smarter after reading your comments! :bow:
Well, since we only have one 125 grain head for 2014 (Ti-Con 125) I guess that makes it easy and self explanatory :chuckle:
My other choices in 125 grain heads would be Slick Trick and G5 Stryker. Reason for me is they both have good blade sharpness and good blade material.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 30, 2014, 08:53:43 PM
Haha! For some reason I thought you were making a couple diff 125's. Ti-Con 125 it is! :chuckle:Whats your favorite head in a 125 Rad, and why? :chuckle: I just wanted to ask a question because I feel smarter after reading your comments! :bow:
Well, since we only have one 125 grain head for 2014 (Ti-Con 125) I guess that makes it easy and self explanatory :chuckle:
My other choices in 125 grain heads would be Slick Trick and G5 Stryker. Reason for me is they both have good blade sharpness and good blade material.
Post by: RadSav on March 30, 2014, 08:58:57 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 30, 2014, 09:16:31 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 31, 2014, 12:52:29 AM
Awsome thread, Good shot Larry.
Larry (whackmaster) might be able to correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe we started bowhunting together in '86 or '87. :dunno: During that time I've come to believe he just might be one of the very best "In The Field" shooters in the northwest. Even before he began carrying a range finder those difficult shots seemed to find there mark. Head shots on 'yotes, heart shots on elk, peekaboo shots on deer and the occasional long shot leave me thinking there are few things he can not do with a bow. And it's a good thing he's one of the best shots out there too...since he is a terrible blood trailer :chuckle:
One of the first elk hunts we went on was a short one. Larry took a cow with a 7/8" diameter solid three blade broadhead. I think that elk started it all in his desire for the configuration that now bares his name. Of course the shot was spot on perfect, the elk traveled an extremely short distance and almost threw itself on the ground in front of us. We just looked at each other and said, "Wholly S*&t that was fast!"
I simply could not in good conscious design a signature line of heads without his input and making one called the VanDyke! Being that good of shot, that good of bowhunter and that good of friend for 28 years should have it's benefits :tup: It might not be the most popular configuration on the market, but as soon as guys start putting animals in the freezer with it they will start to agree...great things don't always have to come in big packages!
Post by: dreamingbig on March 31, 2014, 07:13:03 AM
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Post by: MLBowhunting on March 31, 2014, 07:16:42 AM
Post by: stromdiddily on March 31, 2014, 11:59:14 AM
Have a bunch of die hard bow hunting relatives in Michigan with birthdays coming up :tup:
Post by: whackmaster on March 31, 2014, 12:09:14 PM
Rad the heads are gonna do great. Couldn't have two better people for your heads. Congrats Del and Larry. :tup:Thanks ML
Post by: RadSav on March 31, 2014, 01:56:03 PM
Rad - do you have a list of retailers that will be selling these and/or a date when they will hit the shelves?
Have a bunch of die hard bow hunting relatives in Michigan with birthdays coming up :tup:
I think the interest is getting to a point we need to become Hunt-WA sponsors before I post too much more about "How to" and "Where to" buy our commercial products. I've sent Dale a message and should get details on getting that taken care of soon. Once that is complete I think I will need to release most of that information in the Sponsor Classified section. At least if I understand correctly.
We are still nearly a month out on having anything shipped into dealers. And I don't want to break the rules or take unfair advantage of Hunt-WA. So please bare with me while I get things set up the right way. And thank you very much for all the support.
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 31, 2014, 02:24:03 PM
Post by: stromdiddily on March 31, 2014, 02:43:25 PM
:tup: :tup:
Post by: Gobble Doc on March 31, 2014, 08:06:09 PM
Post by: MLBowhunting on March 31, 2014, 10:20:17 PM
Post by: RadSav on April 01, 2014, 12:34:53 AM
Rad - do you have a list of retailers that will be selling these and/or a date when they will hit the shelves?
We have not gotten a lot of pre orders in house yet for these heads. We do have verbal commitments with a lot of the local stores and Sportsman's Warehouse. With all the difficulties we have experienced in getting production rolling we focused on what we are calling a "Soft Launch". So at this time we haven't done much in promotion or strong sales presentations. Once we know for certain we can ship on a particular date I will personally be contacting our close working partners here in the northwest and things should progress quite rapidly.
Currently the only Washington State dealers to formally commit in stocking the heads are Grizzly Archery, Yakima and Steve's Archery, Walla Walla. And of course that means they will be the first in the state to receive them. However, the verbal commitment list is a very long one that includes most the major archery shops in Idaho, Oregon and Washington!
I will definitely advise Hunt-Washington members when we are ready to ship as the final ferrules come in and pass quality control. At that time I will try to keep everyone posted as who is receiving stock and who can ship direct or who will have us drop ship direct.
We are currently working on a proposal with a number of shops eastside and westside where we will drop ship directly to Hunt-Washington members at a special introductory discount rate for a set period of time. In the next week or two we will iron out all the legalities, rules and restrictions of this program.
Post by: nw_bowhunter on April 01, 2014, 07:37:31 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 01, 2014, 07:47:35 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 01, 2014, 07:49:12 AM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on April 01, 2014, 08:45:00 AM
See post above.I replied on a quick post. Hadn't see the post prior to asking") woops
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 01, 2014, 08:52:52 AM
kinda what I thought :tup:See post above.I replied on a quick post. Hadn't see the post prior to asking") woops
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 01, 2014, 08:53:07 AM
Post by: et1702 on April 01, 2014, 09:27:22 AM
Any plans for some 150gr heads in the future? If not, might have to use some brass inserts and give the 125's a try.
Thanks,
ET
Post by: JJB11B on April 03, 2014, 03:43:50 PM
Let me know when you ship to Steves will you? Id like to get a few packs of them... I live less than 5 minutes from his shopRad - do you have a list of retailers that will be selling these and/or a date when they will hit the shelves?
We have not gotten a lot of pre orders in house yet for these heads. We do have verbal commitments with a lot of the local stores and Sportsman's Warehouse. With all the difficulties we have experienced in getting production rolling we focused on what we are calling a "Soft Launch". So at this time we haven't done much in promotion or strong sales presentations. Once we know for certain we can ship on a particular date I will personally be contacting our close working partners here in the northwest and things should progress quite rapidly.
Currently the only Washington State dealers to formally commit in stocking the heads are Grizzly Archery, Yakima and Steve's Archery, Walla Walla. And of course that means they will be the first in the state to receive them. However, the verbal commitment list is a very long one that includes most the major archery shops in Idaho, Oregon and Washington!
I will definitely advise Hunt-Washington members when we are ready to ship as the final ferrules come in and pass quality control. At that time I will try to keep everyone posted as who is receiving stock and who can ship direct or who will have us drop ship direct.
We are currently working on a proposal with a number of shops eastside and westside where we will drop ship directly to Hunt-Washington members at a special introductory discount rate for a set period of time. In the next week or two we will iron out all the legalities, rules and restrictions of this program.
Post by: RadSav on April 03, 2014, 04:40:25 PM
Any plans for some 150gr heads in the future? If not, might have to use some brass inserts and give the 125's a try.
We actually do have some plans for a more traditional Savora type head in the future. The one I have been playing with is basically a Savora Champion 125 with a Titanium ferrule similar to the Ti-Con that comes out at 145 grains. I had spoken with Boneaddict about doing some testing on it, but then we had to put efforts in other areas for the moment. But, sometime in the next year or so we will return to this project. That blade design is a special one. While it is a bit larger in blade profile it is a great penetrator and is durable in a thinner blade material. Thinner blade material means easier cutting.
When I first brought Duke Savora's Champion 125 to market back in the early 90's I went on an absolute terror tagging animals. Of course our arrow speeds were 230-260 back then and we used 4" vanes as standard. But I've shot it up to 295 fps with four blazer vanes on the ACC 3-60 and still had consistent accuracy in some wind and rain out to 100 yards. Just have to be smart about how you fletch your arrows. For traditionalists, like Boneaddict, that might not want to constantly be sharpening old world broadheads it should be a real winner! One might consider it a modern replaceable blade option to the Wensel Woodsman as blade angles are almost identical. And, since Duke designed the first one back in the mid seventies...it's a lot more traditional than many of the hand sharpened so called "Traditional" versions available today.
I doubt we will see much of a market to support a short profile/steep blade angle 150 grain version. Some companies are trying to gain traction selling some as "Crossbow" approved broadheads, but that has not yet proven a successful marketing strategy. If things change and we think we can recover the huge amount of startup capitol it takes to bring one to market we will certainly do so. However, as the market is right now that project would probably lose 50 - 100K that could produce greater returns elsewhere as we return to the broadhead market gradually. When we are about 250K in the hole right now and have yet to sell a single broadhead some things have to wait. Even if they are great products and good ideas for many with FOC issues.
Post by: bullfisher on April 03, 2014, 05:22:37 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 03, 2014, 08:52:30 PM
Post by: RadSav on April 04, 2014, 04:57:07 AM
Couldn't have two better people for your heads. Congrats Del and Larry. :tup:
We've talked about Larry here, but not much about Del. Figured I would post a few pictures so guys can see why Del is such a large focus of what we are doing. Besides being a very close personal friend Del is one of the best internationally known bowhunters out there. And as you can see from these pictures he rarely ever does things in a small way. These are not ranch or canned hunts either. He is a true bowhunter and when he said what he wanted in a broadhead we definitely listened!
These are just a few of the dozens of quality animals he has taken over the years. We are so glad he decided to leave Muzzy and work with us. He is a great asset to RAD and even a better friend!
Post by: bullfisher on April 04, 2014, 06:13:43 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 04, 2014, 06:21:01 AM
Post by: bullfisher on April 04, 2014, 07:29:12 AM
I'd be happy with just killing one of those animals in my life time.:yeah:
Post by: whackmaster on April 06, 2014, 04:12:18 PM
Post by: RadSav on April 06, 2014, 04:40:25 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 06, 2014, 05:07:10 PM
I know your eye sight is going, but maybe a hint will help you...the shoulder is located on the other end :chuckle::chuckle:
Post by: MLBowhunting on April 06, 2014, 09:09:39 PM
Post by: de0827 on April 10, 2014, 02:37:34 PM
Post by: RadSav on April 10, 2014, 02:48:30 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 10, 2014, 02:56:30 PM
Vented blades are lighter, look cool and sell better. That's about where the benefits stop.
:chuckle: a heck of a lot noisier is what they are.
Post by: RadSav on April 10, 2014, 05:59:26 PM
By the time Savora changed blade length to the Swept-Wing, vented blades were starting to show up nearly everywhere. And while the Swept-Wing became the industry leader in sales volumes the competition and still some writers were pushing the belief that vented blades were easier to tune disregarding that the smaller WASP and most of the vented competition were still much heavier.
Over time the repetition of published articles and fancy verbiage in advertisements started imprinting on consumers minds. So when a guy had some poor flight with a solid blade broadhead it was a thought free reaction to simply blame the solid blades. On the other hand if a guy were to have difficulties getting his vented blades to fly well the thought free reaction was to blame the arrow, the rest, or both. Soon the NAP Razorbak4, the Savora Swept-Wing and the Satellite Aero would fall victim to this effective imprinting. Leading the way for WASP, Rocky Mountain and the NAP Thunderhead to take the popular lead and further progress the assumption that vented blades flew better.
Then to even further the decay of factual based decisions about blade configuration the compound bow began making leaps and bounds improvements in function and efficiency. With this came our "Need For Speed!" Soon bow and arrow combinations were breaking the impossible 200 AMO barrier! The popular 2016, 2018, 2117, 2216 and 2219 arrows were being replaced with "Super-Lite" 2013, 2114, 2213 and 2413 shafts. Everything needed to be light weight and that included points, inserts, vanes. 7% FOC was considered a perfect goal when making a perfect hunting arrow. Even target shooters were abandoning the 9% Nibb and switching to the 7%.
Writers began pushing even harder and advertisers began imprinting even more effectively when the large broadheads attached to these Super-Lites just couldn't handle the blistering 225 - 235 fps speeds we were getting from our over draw bows and light arrows. The modern broadhead started getting smaller and vent holes started getting larger! Broadhead tuning started getting a little easier and so the imprinting led us to more thought free conclusions that solid blades were evil and vented blades only flew poor because of "Tuning Issues". The imprinting during this time even led some to believe that rolling the windows down in your car could increase your gas mileage and improve it's aerodynamics :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on April 11, 2014, 12:32:26 AM
Never is there ever an advantage to a vented blade in terminal ballistics. As long as the profile, sharpness, hardness and thickness of the blades are identical the solid blade will always beyond scientific doubt perform more favorably than a vented option. However, the key to quick kills is still upon the blade sharpness and it's ability to stay sharp throughout the penetration cycle. Better to have a vented blade that is sharp and stays sharp than a dull or easily damaged solid blade.
As with just about anything related to hunting equipment, compromise is often the optimal solution.
Post by: sakoshooter on April 12, 2014, 09:50:37 PM
I know your eye sight is going, but maybe a hint will help you...the shoulder is located on the other end :chuckle:
Post by: sakoshooter on April 12, 2014, 09:56:08 PM
Good info on broadheads ol timer. I'm surprised at your age you can remember all that, LOL.
Post by: RadSav on April 12, 2014, 10:06:39 PM
Rad,
Good info on broadheads ol timer. I'm surprised at your age you can remember all that, LOL.
It's the "Where did I put my glasses, car keys and hunting license" that I have a hard time remembering. :chuckle:
From about the age of eleven to the time I got married I remember like it was yesterday. But, from what I am told, I haven't done anything right since I got married. So I guess my mind doesn't store those memories in the "easy to retrieve" file locations. :rolleyes:
Post by: MLBowhunting on April 12, 2014, 10:20:59 PM
Post by: de0827 on April 29, 2014, 03:57:04 PM
Post by: RadSav on April 29, 2014, 04:27:16 PM
I'm kicking this one back to the top as I don't want to miss out on when these blades are available! :chuckle:
Blades are also my company. So I have lots of those ready :chuckle: We just have no ferrules for them to go into >:(
My brother and I are looking for property so we can start a swiss machining business as well. I guess that's what is needed to get things done on time in this country. I could have gone to China and had delivery last December :bash:
I apologies to everyone for all the delays. Hopefully I don't have a fuming stroke before we start to ship. That would probably delay things further. Hopefully just a couple more weeks!
Post by: AudiDat on April 30, 2014, 08:46:14 AM
Post by: JJB11B on May 01, 2014, 06:36:52 PM
Post by: RadSav on May 01, 2014, 08:51:33 PM
Ive got a lot of Montecs to replace :chuckle: hurry up and get them to Steves! Im excited! BTW what practice blades, Are you going to have replacement blades immediately available as well?
Problem with having too much time to sit around and stare at things. I decided I didn't like my replacement blade cards. So I redesigned it! Should be here before the ferrules do, but might be a week later. Not sure. Won't be long though! There will be extra blades in the main package.
Post by: Lingcod on May 01, 2014, 09:43:07 PM
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Post by: earlmarne on May 04, 2014, 01:43:02 PM
Post by: AudiDat on May 05, 2014, 09:50:05 AM
o man, i am excited to get ahold of some of these heads
No Doubt.
RADSAV, do you have a good guess as to when these will ship to the early adopters (retailers)? I'll be visiting Yakima a few times over the next month or 2, and would love to have a good excuse to drop into Grizzly while I'm there.
Post by: TriggerMike on July 15, 2014, 12:54:32 PM
Post by: RadSav on July 15, 2014, 01:24:27 PM
It's been a couple months since I've heard anything about these. Any new updates or news as far as a timeline of when they'll be available?
I am on the third machine shop supplier. Just received 3,500 ferrules and am having to go through each and every one sorting rejected ferrules for slot width issues. Right now the rejection rate is about 75%. If I do not have enough to set up and run through anodizing :dunno: Might not happen until I get my own machines and run them myself.
The Titanium ferrules were suppose to be done by now too. But, after they were due the vendor informed me they ran out of money and could not afford to purchase the material. :bash: WTF - you wait until due date to tell me this! I wrote a check for material that day. Last shop waited until after due date to tell me he no longer wanted to participate in the project :bash: I lose when I hound them and I lose when I don't. Has gotten a little ridiculous!
We have decided we will buy the machines and make them ourselves. As much as I detest paying the penalties applied to employers for hiring employees in this state. And that to make a few thousand I must go into debt half a million dollars (currently we work at zero debt) bothers me A LOT. We are in the process of purchasing the machines now. Just have to find a building we can put them in. Our available space is the reason we did not do this in the first place. We thought we would be in the Martin facility and would have had the machines in and completed parts already >:( ;) >:(
So, while I feel bad we have been unable to get guys broadheads that want them. I would feel much worse getting broadheads out into the market place that are not up to our standards. I will surely let H-W members know as soon as they are available. And, I will let H-W members know on here how this latest sorting goes. Should have it completed in just a few days.
Thank you to all who have given their support. We appreciate it very much. And deeply apologies for our unseen delays.
Post by: KFhunter on July 15, 2014, 03:31:42 PM
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 15, 2014, 08:54:50 PM
All joking aside, hope you get everything up and running, for your own sanity at least. I know this has been a headache for you. I think I speak for most when I say, great things are worth waiting for. :yeah:
Post by: bowguy on July 17, 2014, 07:01:53 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 17, 2014, 07:21:41 PM
Post by: whackmaster on July 17, 2014, 07:50:33 PM
good job RADSAV :tup:
Post by: MLBowhunting on July 17, 2014, 08:01:10 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on July 17, 2014, 10:23:33 PM
Post by: whackmaster on August 10, 2014, 07:32:17 PM
Radsav :tup:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 10, 2014, 07:59:06 PM
These heads fly so good wow cant wait to shoot a big bull with my hunting partnerWhat a tease!!!!!!!! Not cool man! :chuckle:
Radsav :tup:
Post by: sakoshooter on August 10, 2014, 10:11:05 PM
Post by: RadSav on August 10, 2014, 11:39:24 PM
Hey Rad, do ya have any updated info on these broadheads? Gettin close to season ya know.
All 6,000 of the last parts I received were rejected. Last update I got was that they should be replaced using the correct dimensions and tooling next week.
I had thought about putting some of the rejected parts out for an insanely cheap price rather than throw them all in the trash. Ferrule length/Slot length on about 2,500 were only about .0025" too long, but that leaves loose blades that probably won't fly as well as they should. Would kill stuff fine, but it's just not what I wanted for first impressions. I'll probably keep those ones around for a while as I expect CL & I will use them for shooting coyotes, turkey and vermin. Might take us a while to whack that many vermin...sounds like fun :chuckle:
I still have no completion date for the titanium heads and the TripleSec. Been told they are set to run in two weeks every two weeks for the past couple months. So your guess is as good as mine :bash:
We are still working on finding property to build a shop to run these ourselves since no one seems to be able to get it done. I am also talking with a couple shops that have the capability and desire, but not the right equipment. Best scenario would be for us to buy the $500K worth of machines and have one of those shops run them for us. That would be a win/win in my book! But we have not gotten past any of the negotiation stages yet.
Meanwhile I'll just keep flushing more money down the toilet. And hope someone might want them once all the bugs in the supply chain are complete.
Post by: bowguy on August 11, 2014, 05:18:27 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on August 11, 2014, 11:06:21 PM
Post by: DoubleJ on August 13, 2014, 11:45:01 AM
Meanwhile I'll just keep flushing more money down the toilet. And hope someone might want them once all the bugs in the supply chain are complete.
Just save out some money to pay a big time TV personality to use them. That'll get them moved off the shelf when they go to market