Post by: sled on April 03, 2014, 03:27:17 PM
Post by: h20hunter on April 03, 2014, 03:33:53 PM
If you are bored you should stop by tomorrow for a beer...we can chat bear.
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 03, 2014, 03:55:13 PM
What are you trying to determine this for?
Post by: sled on April 03, 2014, 04:01:48 PM
Average is kind of a difficult term to wrap your head around. Boars and sows vary greatly in their shape and an "average bear" could weigh 100 lbs less than another "average bear"I Sighted One Of My Rifles In At 200 Yards. At 300 It Drops About 8 Inches. Trying To Get An Idea Of Point Of Aim At 300. My Guess Would Be Just Below Top Of Back At 300. I Know IM Over Thinking it.
What are you trying to determine this for?
Post by: Eli346 on April 03, 2014, 04:05:09 PM
Post by: sled on April 03, 2014, 04:11:07 PM
No idea. Anyway....We Need To Get Together Soon. I Work Tommorow, Then Pick Up My Daughter After That. Maybe This Weekend?
If you are bored you should stop by tomorrow for a beer...we can chat bear.
Post by: h20hunter on April 03, 2014, 04:12:36 PM
Post by: sled on April 03, 2014, 04:18:52 PM
Family coming home from a week in Orlando...going to busy with family time.We Will Get It soon :tup:
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 03, 2014, 04:26:45 PM
There's a thread on here in the bear section. I actually try to take out the shoulder and blow up the heart at the same time. A disected view from the side shows the heart is a little further forward than on deer and elk. I just want to break them down so I don't have to track them as they have a tendency to clot up fairly quickly with the long hair and fat there.
:yeah:
That's the main takeaway with bear hunting - that the vitals are farther forward. Very easy to gut shoot a bear if you're not knowing what you're doing.
Post by: JohnVH on April 03, 2014, 04:29:43 PM
No idea. Anyway....
If you are bored you should stop by tomorrow for a beer...we can chat bear.
:chuckle: awesome
I know a few people with the 'break down the bear' idea, they loose a lot of bear....
Post by: Timberstalker on April 03, 2014, 04:41:43 PM
No idea. Anyway....
If you are bored you should stop by tomorrow for a beer...we can chat bear.
:chuckle: awesome
I know a few people with the 'break down the bear' idea, they loose a lot of bear....
Do you suggest a behind the shoulder shot vs an in the shoulder shot?
Post by: Woodchuck on April 03, 2014, 04:44:43 PM
That's because the caliber they shoot sucks. :chuckle:No idea. Anyway....
If you are bored you should stop by tomorrow for a beer...we can chat bear.
:chuckle: awesome
I know a few people with the 'break down the bear' idea, they loose a lot of bear....
Post by: RadSav on April 03, 2014, 05:00:06 PM
I know a few people with the 'break down the bear' idea, they loose a lot of bear....
I think it's all about shot angle. Many forget when they are trying to break a bear down that you still need to be aware of bullet path beyond busting the shoulder. You want to get that bullet into some vitals even if you break the shoulder. Shoulder can be a hard target to hit when you want to hit it :chuckle:
Post by: JohnVH on April 03, 2014, 09:01:10 PM
That's because the caliber they shoot sucks. :chuckle:
Oh. Your one of those!
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Post by: RadSav on April 03, 2014, 09:08:01 PM
That's because the caliber they shoot sucks. :chuckle:
Oh. Your one of those!
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Woodchuck on April 04, 2014, 06:34:13 AM
:chuckle: :chuckle: Yes I like to stir people once in a while. I mean nothing by it, just lamenting some of the fine debates on here from time to time.
That's because the caliber they shoot sucks. :chuckle:
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Post by: ICEMAN on April 04, 2014, 06:40:24 AM
There's a thread on here in the bear section. I actually try to take out the shoulder and blow up the heart at the same time. A disected view from the side shows the heart is a little further forward than on deer and elk. I just want to break them down so I don't have to track them as they have a tendency to clot up fairly quickly with the long hair and fat there.
I think Billythekidrock had a great bear cut a way picture in one of those threads which shows the vitals really well..... Hope my memory isn't fading...
Post by: headshot5 on April 04, 2014, 06:42:43 AM
Iceman your sharp as a tack.
Post by: jackmaster on April 04, 2014, 06:49:19 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on April 04, 2014, 06:58:20 AM
Post by: boneaddict on April 04, 2014, 07:17:32 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 04, 2014, 08:08:24 AM
I know a few people with the 'break down the bear' idea, they loose a lot of bear....
I think it's all about shot angle. Many forget when they are trying to break a bear down that you still need to be aware of bullet path beyond busting the shoulder. You want to get that bullet into some vitals even if you break the shoulder. Shoulder can be a hard target to hit when you want to hit it :chuckle:
:chuckle: easy to hit if you're shooting a bow and don't want to hit it eh?
Rad I remember you talking about the Mrs. and how she's killed plenty of bear with high velocity, low caliber bullets.
It seems to me there is a lot of focus on big horsepower rifles and "breaking them down" but a fast .257/.270 will do it everytime. I thnk some folks overestimate the thickness of a black bear's hide. A medium sized, fast, well-constructed bullet will make jelly out of a bear's lungs the same as a deer's.
I hunt with a .25-06 for bear and .45/70 for the brush hunts.
Post by: h20hunter on April 04, 2014, 08:31:45 AM
Pick your shot and make it count I suppose is pretty good general advice.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 04, 2014, 08:41:24 AM
Granted it does help to take out some running gear... best advice is to shoot for the heart and lungs and they will die.
Post by: skagitsteel on April 04, 2014, 11:31:42 AM
Post by: jackmaster on April 04, 2014, 12:08:35 PM
It is not necessary to break a bear down in order to kill it. How many bears are killed by archery hunters every year?thats good advice, it is always good to take out the lungs and any other vitals, problem though is bear do not bleed that great especially in the fall, ALOT of people lose bear and never say anything on sites such as these, i would bet my paycheck that there are more lost bear every year than any other animal, yes there are more deer and elk hunters but when it come to hunter/ animal being hunted ratio i bet bear would win :twocents: if your a good shot and can control your excitement the high shoulder shot is about the best you can make on a bear because it breaks them right down and they go NOWHERE....
Granted it does help to take out some running gear... best advice is to shoot for the heart and lungs and they will die.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 04, 2014, 12:44:02 PM
agreed. I have shot 2 bears with a rifle both intended high shoulder one was drt and the other finally died after following claw marks on the ground and blood smears on trees... very difficult trail... then it was close quarter finishing shots at 4 yards with both front paws and teeth trying desperately to get at me... this bear was spiked behind the shoulders amd was not happy about it. Both archery bears were one shot kills and neither went more than 50 yards... one was a great blood trail and the other not a drop... just grid searched general area we heard the death moans.It is not necessary to break a bear down in order to kill it. How many bears are killed by archery hunters every year?thats good advice, it is always good to take out the lungs and any other vitals, problem though is bear do not bleed that great especially in the fall, ALOT of people lose bear and never say anything on sites such as these, i would bet my paycheck that there are more lost bear every year than any other animal, yes there are more deer and elk hunters but when it come to hunter/ animal being hunted ratio i bet bear would win :twocents: if your a good shot and can control your excitement the high shoulder shot is about the best you can make on a bear because it breaks them right down and they go NOWHERE....
Granted it does help to take out some running gear... best advice is to shoot for the heart and lungs and they will die.
Post by: ICEMAN on April 04, 2014, 06:50:58 PM
Easy to track.
Post by: Romulus1297 on April 04, 2014, 09:23:53 PM
Post by: RadSav on April 05, 2014, 12:37:42 AM
There is a little place along the back called the spine. Find that they have no legs or lungs :dunno:
That little place had better be way forward of where most think it is. I know of at least a dozen bear I have witnessed that covered ground with only two legs like a healthy mule being stung by bees! Every single follow up shot I had to make as a guide and every single bite I had to sew up on my dog was the result of that shot. And not a single one of these follow ups were anywhere near where the first shot landed. Get close to the neck and it's a great shot! Get behind the shoulder blade and it's nothing but trouble.
Post by: Romulus1297 on April 05, 2014, 01:22:47 AM
Post by: RadSav on April 05, 2014, 01:26:59 AM
Some other bears with a .300sm through the lung can do circles and really scare turds out of you :yike:
Getting a little scared is half the fun of bear hunting, isn't it?
Post by: Romulus1297 on April 05, 2014, 01:35:07 AM