Post by: Special T on April 08, 2014, 01:46:18 PM
Can anyone give me a direction or a basic break down of what calibers and what firarm componets would be different?
For example I know that a 300 blackout uses everything but the barrel a .223 does.
It however does not pack the kind of punch/range for hunting say deer sized targets.
Is there a .223 necked up to .243? how would that compare say to the .243wsm?
If you can break it all down for me and others that would be great, OR you could point me to another forum that has already done so. Thx
Post by: JohnVH on April 08, 2014, 01:53:35 PM
Barrel, bolt, mag.
Post by: jeffro on April 08, 2014, 01:55:47 PM
West side, east side? Deer, elk, bear, coyote.
The possibilities are almost end less.
My choices:
Wet side- http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,150722.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,150722.0.html)
Dry side- Look into the 6.5 grendel or creedmoor, or the 6.8
spc
Post by: dontgetcrabs on April 08, 2014, 02:03:28 PM
Post by: nocklehead on April 08, 2014, 02:08:16 PM
Post by: JohnVH on April 08, 2014, 02:09:09 PM
.308 ? :dunno:
That's not an AR15 caliber.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 08, 2014, 02:12:21 PM
Post by: Special T on April 08, 2014, 03:25:31 PM
What are the different caliber options for each senerio.
1 new barrel only
2 new barrel & bolt
3 New Barrel, bolt & mag
I hunt west side so not really too far, however I am mostly thinking a predator gun. Calling coyotes, bobcat, cougar and bear... I would imagine that if i can kill a cougar i can kill a black tail. The caliber for bear could just be for an "Ideal" shot realitivley close in. I guess what I'm saying is lay it out for me the bare minimum I need and what isn't too hard to get my hands on for ammo and parts. I have acess to a reloading press but really like the Idea of only having to get a non standard barrel. That way if i come acros a great deal on an AR I only need to factor in the cost of the barrel. :twocents:
Post by: AWS on April 08, 2014, 03:39:27 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on April 08, 2014, 04:33:08 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on April 08, 2014, 05:10:37 PM
Post by: AWS on April 08, 2014, 06:58:05 PM
left to right
6x45, 6mm-204, 25-204
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi6.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy222%2FBrowndaug%2F6x456mm-20425-204002.jpg&hash=26d764b5455970f095b9aff151d671575f94ec37) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Browndaug/media/6x456mm-20425-204002.jpg.html)
Post by: Special T on April 08, 2014, 07:22:39 PM
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Post by: Biggerhammer on April 08, 2014, 07:28:31 PM
25x45
6.5 Grendel
6.5 LBC
6x6.8 SPC
25x6.8 SPC
6.5x6.8 SPC
6.8 SPC II
6.5 PCC not PPC.
I'm a big fan of the 6.5-Grendel.
Call Blackhole Weaponry they will make you anything you please, twist, contour, gas length, muzzle threading. The sky is the limit all for the same price excluding custom fluting.
Post by: Special T on April 08, 2014, 07:50:47 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 08, 2014, 07:51:47 PM
Post by: Special T on April 08, 2014, 07:53:28 PM
Camp meat, If i was going to go big i think i'd have to purchase the AR in 300 win mag...
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 08, 2014, 08:03:55 PM
Of those calibers listed which ones are based on "common" cased brass just necked up or down?
Camp meat, If i was going to go big i think i'd have to purchase the AR in 300 win mag...
Me too..............!! But I don't have $5000 laying around.
Post by: Special T on April 08, 2014, 08:10:23 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 08, 2014, 08:12:48 PM
If i could drop $2k on an 06 AR I could find a way to drop $5k! :chuckle:
I'm retired..... :tup:
Post by: Special T on April 08, 2014, 08:15:11 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on April 08, 2014, 08:21:51 PM
Of those calibers listed which ones are based on "common" cased brass just necked up or down?All of the ones I've listed, except the Grendel, are 100% compatible with 5.56 bolts and mags.
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 08, 2014, 08:35:00 PM
All the 6.8 based cartridges require a 6.8 bolt.
The grendel and 6.8 based cartridge can be run through a 17.00 ASC magazine that fits any standard AR lower and are readily available pretty much anywhere. I purchase mine through Rainier Arms.
Post by: Blacklab on April 09, 2014, 09:08:37 AM
6x45
25x45
6.5 Grendel
6.5 LBC
6x6.8 SPC
25x6.8 SPC
6.5x6.8 SPC
6.8 SPC II
6.5 PCC not PPC.
I'm a big fan of the 6.5-Grendel.
:yeah:
Lilja Barrels :tup: :twocents:
My first ar build 6.5 AA Grendel
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 09, 2014, 11:34:21 AM
6x45
25x45
6.5 Grendel
6.5 LBC
6x6.8 SPC
25x6.8 SPC
6.5x6.8 SPC
6.8 SPC II
6.5 PCC not PPC.
I'm a big fan of the 6.5-Grendel.
:yeah:
Lilja Barrels :tup: :twocents:
My first ar build 6.5 AA Grendel
That's very purty.......
Post by: AWS on April 09, 2014, 02:43:39 PM
Post by: Blacklab on April 10, 2014, 08:47:25 AM
6x45
25x45
6.5 Grendel
6.5 LBC
6x6.8 SPC
25x6.8 SPC
6.5x6.8 SPC
6.8 SPC II
6.5 PCC not PPC.
I'm a big fan of the 6.5-Grendel.
:yeah:
Lilja Barrels :tup: :twocents:
My first ar build 6.5 AA Grendel
That's very purty.......
Thank you.
Post by: Atroxus on April 10, 2014, 11:01:55 AM
6x45
25x45
6.5 Grendel
6.5 LBC
6x6.8 SPC
25x6.8 SPC
6.5x6.8 SPC
6.8 SPC II
6.5 PCC not PPC.
I'm a big fan of the 6.5-Grendel.
Call Blackhole Weaponry they will make you anything you please, twist, contour, gas length, muzzle threading. The sky is the limit all for the same price excluding custom fluting.
Of those options are any suitable for for killing an elk? If so, which are the most readily available as factory ammo, or reloading components?
Post by: Blacklab on April 10, 2014, 01:52:55 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on April 10, 2014, 02:13:47 PM
6x45
25x45
6.5 Grendel
6.5 LBC
6x6.8 SPC
25x6.8 SPC
6.5x6.8 SPC
6.8 SPC II
6.5 PCC not PPC.
I'm a big fan of the 6.5-Grendel.
Call Blackhole Weaponry they will make you anything you please, twist, contour, gas length, muzzle threading. The sky is the limit all for the same price excluding custom fluting.
Of those options are any suitable for for killing an elk? If so, which are the most readily available as factory ammo, or reloading components?
6.5 grendel,6.5x6.8 and 6.8 SPC just to start with
Post by: luvmystang67 on April 10, 2014, 02:15:04 PM
A quick word on new bolts... its like a $40-60 swap on your BCG. Really NOT a big deal at all. I would not let a bolt swap make or break your build. Swapping a bolt out is approximately 1000x easier than installing a new barrel. The mags are just an afterthought. For grendel specifically, when I hold the "grendel" mags I have up next to my aluminum 5.56 mags they are IDENTICAL. The 5.56 mags have the same size and shape follower on the ones I got as well... I haven't tried my grendel rounds in the 5.56 mags yet, but I anticipate they'll work just fine in the particular ones that I have.
+1 for the grendel, its a sweet round.
Post by: GLShooter on April 19, 2014, 09:17:06 PM
6x45
25x45
6.5 Grendel
6.5 LBC
6x6.8 SPC
25x6.8 SPC
6.5x6.8 SPC
6.8 SPC II
6.5 PCC not PPC.
I'm a big fan of the 6.5-Grendel.
:yeah:
Lilja Barrels :tup: :twocents:
My first ar build 6.5 AA Grendel
Lilja doesn't chamber many of those. You forgot one of the best in the 243LBC.
The 6X45 and 25X45 use same 223 mags and bolt. They need just a barrel
The others take barrel, bolt and magazines.
All are available from BHW. I own and shoot all but the 25X45. I designed the 25X6.8 and helped on the 6X6.8 and the 6.5X6.8 as built by BHW. Heads up the 6.8 variants out run the same bore size Grendel/LBC choices thanks to the higher operating pressures.
Greg
Post by: 6.8mmARHunter on April 21, 2014, 12:46:39 PM
No one would swap barrels and bolts back and forth to shoot one cal (example 5.56mm) vs. another (example 6.8mm SPC II), they would just build a complete second upper. Then, you just swap out the whole upper (takes less then 60 seconds) and you're shooting something different.
The 6.8mm SPC II and the 6.5 Grendel seem to be about the most common of the list that Bighammer posted. You'd probably be good with either.
Here are the forums for both:
http://68forums.com/forums/ (http://68forums.com/forums/)
http://www.65grendel.com/forum/ (http://www.65grendel.com/forum/)
Good luck. Let us know what you decide. Post pictures of the rifle...
sam
Post by: webbspinner on April 27, 2014, 11:37:16 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on April 28, 2014, 09:38:42 PM
I recently got a 6.8 spc in a RRA mid length specifically for hunting deer on the wetside. Impressed by the accuracy and its fun to shoot, I have some 115 fusion and 120 sst and 110 vmax, shoots all real well. quite a few options for loads and of course loading your own. think I prefer my 338 for elk but with the right range and right shot I am certain it would drop a elk. They get great reviews on hogs, deer and even bear. will be picking up a 5.56 soon so I can shoot more and become more familiar with the platform but very happy so far.
You will find that there is very little difference in the recoil of your 6.8 and the 5.56. I have both, and like them. I recently built an AR in 6mmX6.8 SPC, and it's a screamer! Plus, it's still legal for deer hunting--(6mm=.243cal.) :tup:
Post by: crazysccrmd on July 17, 2014, 02:15:06 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 17, 2014, 06:17:13 PM