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Equipment & Gear => All Other Gear => Topic started by: jackelope on April 22, 2014, 04:04:28 PM
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Most likely I'll end up hunting in a treestand with my bow in the late archery season for whitetails and mule deer. It'll be something different for me and I'm looking forward to it. I'm curious to know preferences when it comes to hang on stands or ladder stands. A climber won't be an option so I'm personally not too interested in the in's and out's of them, but they can be included in the discussion for the sake of other folks who might be interested.
So....who likes what and why?
I'm a big guy, 6'4" and 225# so that's a consideration I guess, and being high in a tree is not exactly my favorite place to be. I'll power through it but I'm not going to be able to handle not being able to move my feet at all because of a tiny little platform.
Also we should include safety harness talk in this thread also.
The last time I hunted out of a tree stand, we built it out of 2x4's and plywood and safety harnesses weren't even invented yet(I don't think).
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How far are you planning on being away from the road or can you at least take a quad or something to bring your stand in? The main downfall of the ladder stand is they are big and bulky and can take many loads to get in to your spot. I used one for the first time last year and liked it but my spot wasn't too far of a pack in so that helped. This year I plan on using a hang on stand because the spot I want to go is much farther back in.
I also would recommend getting the nice upgraded fall restraint vests. Most stands include a basic fall restraint set up but they aren't the best or most comfortable. I will be upgrading that this year as well.
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I too am a large guy. I used a Gorilla King Kong hang on stand (if I remember correctly, it may have been an XL). I added the arms to my seat. Good thing, don't know how many times I dozed off. Only once did I start to fall forward but my harness stopped me. I always wore a harness. I used the Hunter Safety System vest type so I could put range finder, granola bar etc in the pockets. I had my strap anchored above my head when I sat down. It was shortened up to I could barely touch my toes when seated. But if I stood I had room to move to make a shot. The stand I have has a slightly larger platform. If you move slow and deliberate there's no problem.
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Even with the small platform on my hang on stand Im still able to stand up and move my feet.....quit being a sissy!!! :chuckle:
Also I'm about your size :dunno:
Ladder stands do provided a little more foot room and a lot more seat room though..... I find my ladder stand to be more comfortable. Probably a little more comfortable for a guy who doesn't like heights to climb also.
I only own the cheap stands I find on sale for under $50......
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Even with the small platform on my hang on stand Im still able to stand up and move my feet.....quit being a sissy!!! :chuckle:
I'll have enough trouble sitting still for long enough to actually shoot something.
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Even with the small platform on my hang on stand Im still able to stand up and move my feet.....quit being a sissy!!! :chuckle:
I'll have enough trouble sitting still for long enough to actually shoot something.
That's the main reason I hate hunting out of a stand.
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I've got a Tree Lounge that is a climber with the bolt on foot platform. I fall asleep in that quite regularly and it's also very comfortable. I've got a couple of other stands also but this is the most reliable and most comfortable along with the safety of it.
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I've got a Tree Lounge that is a climber with the bolt on foot platform. I fall asleep in that quite regularly and it's also very comfortable. I've got a couple of other stands also but this is the most reliable and most comfortable along with the safety of it.
I think I won't be able to use a climber. I've got 1 specific tree I'm going to put it onto and it's a big tree.
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I've got a Tree Lounge that is a climber with the bolt on foot platform. I fall asleep in that quite regularly and it's also very comfortable. I've got a couple of other stands also but this is the most reliable and most comfortable along with the safety of it.
I think I won't be able to use a climber. I've got 1 specific tree I'm going to put it onto and it's a big tree.
Climbers are nice but tough if you want to get in quietly before daylight. If you want to stay mobile and hunt different locations then they are solid but sounds like a hang on is your best bet.
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I have a big two person ladder stand you can use to see if you like it, I have good climber but from the sounds of it you wouldn't be to comfortable in it... the ladder stand is awesome and you want to get it in place sooner the better, good thing is also you can put a top above it and wrap the rails to keep wind and rain out, with a small heater they can be really warm
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Haven't hunted out of a climber yet but I bought one this year due to the long hike in to a new area 28lbs. I have a 2 person ladder stand. Big game brand from sportsmans guide. Really like it big and bulky but sturdy only goess where ATV can get to at most 100 yds away. So far my favorite is a tripod tree stand. Works great to get above the brush in places where are no trees to hang a stand on.
Just keep in mind falling into a harness can very easily be fatal. Fall prevention is key when adjusting harness to tree and ur self. 6' of fall can give thousands of ft lbs of force to your body. At very least ,you will be extremely sore. Maybe look into a shock absorber.
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I can get right to the tree on a 4 wheeler.
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Is this private or public?
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Is this private or public?
Why?
It's private.
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I've never shot a deer from a stand but I shot a handful of elk from stands. I really like hang on stands for the fact that you can sneak in and out without make a bunch of noise. I highly recommend a tree stand harness like the hunter safety system.
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Private means more security and options in my mind. I'm about your size and have hunted from a 10x12 platform sitting in a lawn chair as well as a climber. The climber is more secure than you would think. Also, take some effort ( equals sweat) to go up and down, takes some getting used to, and makes a bit noise getting in. Since it is private and you have atv access I would get a two man bench seat ladder stand. Plenty of room to be able to shuffle your feet, plenty stable, and not as spendy as you would think. For a harness I suggest quality. It will fit better and be more comfy, especially with a vest. Just enough slack on your safety line and you are good to go.
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I have both types of stands. If you can get to the tree with a 4 Wheeler then I believe the ladder stand is for you.
I use my hang on stands with sticks when I'm going far back in. They are lighter than a ladder but not as comfortable.
A harness is a must in my opinion. Spend the few extra $ and get a comfortable one.
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Ladder stands are so much nicer to climb. Most have an angled ladder which is better than climbing straight up. Get one with arm rests, they feel way more secure or if you fall asleep they help keep you in.
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I prefer a hanging stand too but I have also hunted out of a climber more than my hanging stand ...just have to get in earlier but what stinks is you have to come down later ...Hanging stand like a Gorilla stand is just fine .. :twocents:
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I love a climber bc of mobility ur not stuck in one place but hang on stands are pretty cool bc it's easy to get up and down and requires a lot less work
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ladder stand or hang on. Ladder stand will be more comfortable. i have a climber and it is a pain to pack in to the spots I want to get too. I use it every other year for one day and remember why I don't like packing it.
I am also not capable of sitting still. I have only made it for about 3 hours, but hope to make better use of my time in the stand over the next couple of years.
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Millennium hammock style stand. Most comfortable tree stand you will ever sit in. Period.
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You guys must be hunting in nicer weather than me!! Anytime Ive sat in a stand it was waaaay to cold to worry about falling asleep!! I actually felt like an epileptic when it came time to draw my bow back!! Damn frozen numb body!
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you are not wearing enough clothes... I can doze off in single digit weather :chuckle: I have a complete wardrobe that is only used and worn during november December bow hunts.
How big is this tree? I will not hang hang on stands is giant diameter trees. Most ladder sticks wont go around them and usually large trees have thick bark which u will have to shave down if you using screw in spikes.
i use hang on stands only...I will never use a ladder for whitetails..they dont get high enough and mature bucks are not to keen on them
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The tree I plan to use is 30" across I think. Thick bark.
I could use a ground blind I suppose.
Which is more effective? There's good ground cover around. Just only a couple trees here and there.
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Pop up ground blind with some natural veg brushed in can work extremely well. Look at the turkey hunters. They use them quite a bit and I'd say turkeys have just as good if not better vision than deer. These days you can get a good one for a reasonble price. No climbing, no harness, quiet, keeps your scent in.
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Don't know if I agree with a blind keeping your scent in. If that were true, they really would be effective! That's the biggest advantage a tree stand has over a blind. It keeps your scent above the ground so the animals are much less likely to smell you.
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I agree with you as far as blinds i have used them, but I haven;t had much success unless i am using it on a food plot with distance where i can set up with natural vegatation like you said. but i would recommend the Code Blue Blind Scent killer for it. before you set it up and i would have it out for a while to so the deer get use to seeing it... I like the Ameristep blinds and i like the Pentagon blind for a deer blind
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I use a hang on (Kong) and a climber (summit). A 30" tree would be fine with the climber as long as it's a branch free trunk (or branches that can be easily trimmed). As for noise, once the climbers in place at the base of the tree, the actual climbing can be done very quietly. I've snuck into my stand before light, climbed and had animals showing up within the hour. There are several guys in our camp who are over 250# and they've been using their climbers successfully for years.
Also, the climbers are way more comfortable than my hang-ons. I've had many a fine nap in my climber. I use a harness with both. With the climber it allows me to hang over the edges with confidence.
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I should have said helps keep your scent in more than an open blind.
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Your welcome to use my ladderstand jackelope, that way you don't waste your money until you see if its worth it. They break down easy, the only tool you need is a small cresent wrench, the best part is you can enclose it as much as you want, it has a ton of room and it will take a couple trips to get it packed in unless you have someone to help, it isn't something someone can just up and walk off with either, and you can ways have a climber near by incase you want to relocate for a few hours
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May be a stupid question, but do any of you guys use hang on stands on public land? With as much stuff that gets stolen I would worry about it but maybe not :dunno:
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I use my climber on public land, you just want to have your trees that you plan to use set up right and then I hide my stand in the bushes when not in use
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ive seen several stands left on public. i do it but i try to find really good spot where nobody else goes. chain it to the tree and hope for the best.
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Your vision is much better 14 feet up compared to sitting in a ground blind. B u t ground blinds are great for rainy days
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Most likely I'll end up hunting in a treestand with my bow in the late archery season for whitetails and mule deer. It'll be something different for me and I'm looking forward to it. I'm curious to know preferences when it comes to hang on stands or ladder stands. A climber won't be an option so I'm personally not too interested in the in's and out's of them, but they can be included in the discussion for the sake of other folks who might be interested.
So....who likes what and why?
I'm a big guy, 6'4" and 225# so that's a consideration I guess, and being high in a tree is not exactly my favorite place to be. I'll power through it but I'm not going to be able to handle not being able to move my feet at all because of a tiny little platform.
Also we should include safety harness talk in this thread also.
The last time I hunted out of a tree stand, we built it out of 2x4's and plywood and safety harnesses weren't even invented yet(I don't think).
Hey Josh,
I have three tree stands, two different kinds. I think I also have a buddy's stand stored in my barn (third type). If you want to come by and
look at any of them, just give me a shout this week or later this weekend.
But, I'd get as big a platform as you can find. My size 13's don't like the small ones either. I'd also get the ones with the suspension seat, which are more comfortable and less pressure points. Even with my suspension type stands, I still bring a foam pad too. It allows me to sit longer. Don't buy a climber. Climbers are a pain. Much easier to use a ladder and hang on stand, especially if you can drive a four-wheeler to the location (i.e., less packing).
Most of the nicer stands come w/a cheap harness. But, I'd buy a nice harness separately and keep the one that comes w/the stand as a backup. Aluminum stands & ladders are nice and light, but expensive. I have one alimunum and two steel tree stands. So, you can look at both and determine if the weight savings is worth the extra cash. I'd also get a safety line, as most accidents happen getting into or out of the stand, rather than falling while sitting or standing.
Regarding ladders, get the 20'+ version, rather than the 16' length. I like to get my stands up at least 20 to 25 feet (i.e., my feet are at 20', not my butt). So, I also have screw in steps or strap on steps to get above my 20" ladders. But, most of the ladders also have the option of buying and additional 4 or 5' length to add on. FYI, since I'm a big fella too, I usually get extra ratchet straps for both the stands and my ladders. Some of the straps that come w/the ladders are pretty cheap.
I've never had any of my stands or cameras messed with, even on public land. But, you can also buy a cable lock for the stand if you think it might be at risk.
Take care and talk to you soon.
ET
P.S., Heck, if I'm done by early season, you could even use one of mine.
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Thanks Ed. I might swing up and check out what you've got one of these days. Gonna be a busy weekend though. We'll be in touch soon.
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The gorilla stands work great.Ive hunted out of stands for years you will get over your fear of hights.Just remember take a small camera and a bottle to pee in. :)
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:yeah: exept i took a milk jug and cut it into a urinal and plumbed a drain from the lid, and ran a chunk of garden hose to the ground and then dug a pretty deep hole and filled it halfway with rocks, you can use whatever chunks of wood or whatever will leave big voids, cover with a garbage bag and fill with dirt, no odor and you dont have to worry about over flowing your urinal, another awesome part about huntin out of a treestand, especially when its pissing down rain or snow is you bring a big thermos with smoking hot soup and another one with coffee or hot coco, its great when you feel that chill starting to get into your bones, i have a blanket from when i was in the service, i doubt it even weighs a pound that i can fit in the side pocket of my bdu's it is super warm, what it all boils down to is how comfortable you want to be, and if i aint still huntn and just sittin in a blind i like comfort it makes you pay way better attention, if your thinkn about how miserable you are you can easily miss a flick of an ear or a twitch of a tail :tup:
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someday I will try a tree stand
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Pop up ground blind with some natural veg brushed in can work extremely well. Look at the turkey hunters. They use them quite a bit and I'd say turkeys have just as good if not better vision than deer. These days you can get a good one for a reasonble price. No climbing, no harness, quiet, keeps your scent in.
they DO NOT keep scent in...wind is worng your busted
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I will never slide a climber up and down a tree every time to hunt!!! nor will I pack it in or out everytime I hunt! holy cow. not to include you have to remove all the cover to hide you in the tree with a climber!! :yike: have fun with a big whitey. All climbers have a rail around them.this makes shooting a deer with a bow even harder...u have to stand! All the deer I have shot from my stand are sitting I bet I woulda got none of them if I were forced to stand
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:yeah: exept i took a milk jug and cut it into a urinal and plumbed a drain from the lid, and ran a chunk of garden hose to the ground and then dug a pretty deep hole and filled it halfway with rocks, you can use whatever chunks of wood or whatever will leave big voids, cover with a garbage bag and fill with dirt, no odor and you dont have to worry about over flowing your urinal, another awesome part about huntin out of a treestand, especially when its pissing down rain or snow is you bring a big thermos with smoking hot soup and another one with coffee or hot coco, its great when you feel that chill starting to get into your bones, i have a blanket from when i was in the service, i doubt it even weighs a pound that i can fit in the side pocket of my bdu's it is super warm, what it all boils down to is how comfortable you want to be, and if i aint still huntn and just sittin in a blind i like comfort it makes you pay way better attention, if your thinkn about how miserable you are you can easily miss a flick of an ear or a twitch of a tail :tup:
I used to pee in a bottle to keep any human scents to a minimum, but I've read too many studies and had experiences support it that deer and elk just don't react to human pee like they do human scent in the wind. I've let it fly from the treestand and an hour later watched deer and or elk come in down wind and not notice it.
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May be a stupid question, but do any of you guys use hang on stands on public land? With as much stuff that gets stolen I would worry about it but maybe not :dunno:
I have but when the season is over i take the ladders down. like last year i did even though i was on deployment... but when i leave the area i take the seat cushion and i lock the seat in the up position when i am not there which if anyone did get up there they would have to cut the lock off or if they managed to get up there then they would have to stand up there an not sit... but i do leave it 20 ft up so if someone is looking for it then they might see it... but over all it has been safe just a tad bit of rush on the screws etc...
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I will never slide a climber up and down a tree every time to hunt!!! nor will I pack it in or out everytime I hunt! holy cow. not to include you have to remove all the cover to hide you in the tree with a climber!! :yike: have fun with a big whitey. All climbers have a rail around them.this makes shooting a deer with a bow even harder...u have to stand! All the deer I have shot from my stand are sitting I bet I woulda got none of them if I were forced to stand
my thought was to scout it hard find several good trees in different locations climb them way before season to clear the brush and depending on wind patterns and game movement then pick your location for that day. i will be packing my climber in once and leaving it stashed in the bushes as to not pack it in and out all the time.
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I will never slide a climber up and down a tree every time to hunt!!! nor will I pack it in or out everytime I hunt! holy cow. not to include you have to remove all the cover to hide you in the tree with a climber!! :yike: have fun with a big whitey. All climbers have a rail around them.this makes shooting a deer with a bow even harder...u have to stand! All the deer I have shot from my stand are sitting I bet I woulda got none of them if I were forced to stand
I don't know about stashing one in the bushes.... i think if someone else hunted the area you would end up with out a climber..... i don't care if my hang on gets stolen b/c they are like 89 bucks but for a climber some of them are high dollar
my thought was to scout it hard find several good trees in different locations climb them way before season to clear the brush and depending on wind patterns and game movement then pick your location for that day. i will be packing my climber in once and leaving it stashed in the bushes as to not pack it in and out all the time.
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thats the problem..clearing the tree of limbs! thats the cover to conceal you. U will look like a man sitting on a power pole.
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thats why you find a couple trees one to put your stand in and another to conceal you, but either way, deer and elk dont walk around lookn up in trees, with being camoed out and slow movements when the quarry isnt lookn you will be good to go :tup:
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then u sir havent hunted whitetails :rolleyes:
I have been hid in trees with limbs around me and had whitetails see fingers move! I dont look for trees to hang my stands I look for where the game is first and where I SHOULD be sitting and hang there in any tree. Go put your stand in a tamrack 20ft up and tell how that goes with a whitetail deer :chuckle:
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well i can say i have never hunted whitetail, only blacktail and elk, there are plenty of ways to camo out a treestand, you can tie limbs to it, or use a camo burlap, that way it dont make noise, deer are use to seeing movements up in trees, birds and squirrels and what not, i would think even with whitetail with slow movement at the right time you would be ok..... hell they show guys in treestands on those huntn shows all the time, and if its on the huntn channel then it must be ok :dunno: right? :chuckle: :chuckle: