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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: hogslayer on April 23, 2014, 02:50:51 PM

Title: Is this a legal spike?
Post by: hogslayer on April 23, 2014, 02:50:51 PM: I know the rules for a spike unit not a true spike unit are one side has to have "1" point. And the eye guards don't count if they originate within the first 4" of the antler. So would you shoot this elk in a spike unit?
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Post by: h20hunter on April 23, 2014, 02:53:09 PM: BOOM!
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Post by: 6x6in6 on April 23, 2014, 02:53:52 PM: Absolutely!!!
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Post by: D-Rock425 on April 23, 2014, 02:53:56 PM: I was going to post this yesterday too.
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Post by: kirkl on April 23, 2014, 02:54:22 PM: BOOM
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Post by: Buckmark on April 23, 2014, 02:54:48 PM: How close to the road is he?? :chuckle:
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Yep..
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Post by: D-Rock425 on April 23, 2014, 02:55:43 PM: I just don't know anymore about this spike rule.
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Post by: hogslayer on April 23, 2014, 02:57:14 PM: Quote from: D-Rock425 on April 23, 2014, 02:55:43 PM
I just don't know anymore about this spike rule.

We'll I'll shoot him and you can shoot one of the cows bedded down.
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Post by: CP on April 23, 2014, 02:58:35 PM: The only question is whether to shoot him now or wait for him to turn broadside.
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Post by: Skillet on April 23, 2014, 02:58:43 PM: Looks like a slight chance the top of that right side might blade out and there might be a sticker pointing straight back, so I'd wait to confirm that - but the junk on the bottom is clearly not going to make him illegal.
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Post by: Bob33 on April 23, 2014, 03:00:24 PM: I wouldn't. There appears to be a small branch off the top of the right antler.
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Post by: Bullkllr on April 23, 2014, 03:01:27 PM: :yeah: was just going to mention that...
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Post by: C-Money on April 23, 2014, 03:01:47 PM: I'd look him over........:bfg: If he's clean on the spike side.... Let'um have it!!! The branch from this angle looks just like a tree branch.
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Post by: h20hunter on April 23, 2014, 03:02:31 PM: Quote from: Bob33 on April 23, 2014, 03:00:24 PM
I wouldn't. There appears to be a small branch off the top of the right antler.

Saw that to Bob.....for the sake of the pic I believe we are assuming that it is clean up top.
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Post by: luvmystang67 on April 23, 2014, 03:04:30 PM: Nothing a hacksaw cant fix.
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Post by: CP on April 23, 2014, 03:08:58 PM: He's fine now:
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Post by: Bob33 on April 23, 2014, 03:15:39 PM: Quote from: CP on April 23, 2014, 03:08:58 PM
He's fine now:
Antlerectomy. Boom.
Title: Re: Is this a legal spike?
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2014, 03:26:24 PM: (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.tapatalk.com%2Fd%2F14%2F04%2F24%2F4yga4yte.jpg&hash=ccd0522bb92f92874208badd3f6a77b7e695f7b0)

He's got a 2nd point up top.
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Post by: Bob33 on April 23, 2014, 03:33:15 PM: Quote from: jackelope on April 23, 2014, 03:26:24 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.tapatalk.com%2Fd%2F14%2F04%2F24%2F4yga4yte.jpg&hash=ccd0522bb92f92874208badd3f6a77b7e695f7b0)

He's got a 2nd point up top.
CP took it off for us. I already shot the elk after the antlerectomy.

Grab a knife and help me.
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Post by: Buckmark on April 23, 2014, 03:41:24 PM: Quote from: jackelope on April 23, 2014, 03:26:24 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.tapatalk.com%2Fd%2F14%2F04%2F24%2F4yga4yte.jpg&hash=ccd0522bb92f92874208badd3f6a77b7e695f7b0)

He's got a 2nd point up top.
I blew up the photo to 400% and yes it does appear that the top of that antler sweeps back, but for the sake of argument is it a point growing back or just a funky way the antler grew and still just the main beam?? :dunno:
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Post by: CP on April 23, 2014, 03:49:21 PM: I blew the original way up and it looks more like part of the tree in the background than part of the antler. I say he is legal but Bob's suggestion to wait for him to move to confirm is a good one.
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Post by: xxlx7 on April 23, 2014, 03:52:13 PM: Does that eye guard count as a point? I dont hunt those units .
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Post by: vandeman17 on April 23, 2014, 03:53:12 PM: Unless he is spooked, I bet he will turn his head for you to confirm the top and if there is no sticker then that is a dead bull.
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Post by: johnnyaustin44 on April 23, 2014, 03:57:54 PM: I almost posted this as well.... how about this guy?
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Post by: mkcj on April 23, 2014, 03:58:55 PM: You better have a REALLY good look at him before pulling the trigger
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Post by: washelkhunter on April 23, 2014, 04:17:28 PM: I think it's a legal spike.
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Post by: runamuk on April 23, 2014, 04:19:45 PM: Quote from: Bob33 on April 23, 2014, 03:00:24 PM
I wouldn't. There appears to be a small branch off the top of the right antler.
yeah I was gonna say is that a sticker up top?
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Post by: bowhunterwa87 on April 23, 2014, 04:39:04 PM: This is an easy one...ground check him :peep:
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Post by: Bullkllr on April 23, 2014, 05:01:32 PM: Quote from: johnnyaustin44 on April 23, 2014, 03:57:54 PM
I almost posted this as well.... how about this guy?

That's just weird. Remarkably symmetrical. Spike legal, I think.
Don't know if I'd shoot it. Looks like an elk from the same planet Predator came from...
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Post by: rtspring on April 23, 2014, 05:51:14 PM: BS answer-bang!!!!!

Truth answer- that elk is not worth your rifle and lawyer if you are wrong. It so is not even worth the risk! He turns his head so you can get another look, he'd probably take a long nap
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Post by: Nice Racks on April 27, 2014, 09:03:46 PM: When Whitetails have one side of their antlers deformed, it usually means that the opposite side of the animal had some type of injury. Not sure if that applies to elk, but does that look like an injury to his rear leg?
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Post by: BIGDOG253 on April 28, 2014, 10:35:55 AM: Does the eye guard count as a point?
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Post by: blindluck on April 28, 2014, 12:39:09 PM: in 2005 Had this happen to me 6 x spike at 40 yards, spike side had 2 brow tines I watched it at 40 yards for 10 minutes. Later back at camp reading the laws I realized that was a legal spike because it didn't branch above the ears. I totally *****d that one up. I read the laws now!!!
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Post by: starbailey on April 28, 2014, 01:06:56 PM: Boom!
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Post by: Moose Master on April 28, 2014, 06:41:38 PM: Cull the herd Yes
Title: Re: Is this a legal spike?
Post by: BNAElkhntr on April 28, 2014, 06:54:11 PM: Quote from: Bob33 on April 23, 2014, 03:00:24 PM
I wouldn't. There appears to be a small branch off the top of the right antler.

Exactly right side looks to fork better have good glass and wait just a second more
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Post by: cryder on April 28, 2014, 08:58:32 PM: just another reason for fish n feathers to collect more fine money to help wolves survive ,just another ,hurdle in life of a Washington state hunter,after some of the things I've seen there probably following him around,just waiting for a chance to ruin some body's day,like I said before shoot till the chamber is empty,get in the truck and come back the next day,at least the woods would be a little less gray,if you catch my drift,or am I using my imagination to much again ??? :bash: :bash: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
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Post by: Mtn.Ghost on April 29, 2014, 02:13:08 PM: That bull is a legal visit to the courts :chuckle: He has a sticker up top and no the eye guard is not considered a point if it's not branched above the ears. If that kicker measures over an inch your busted.

I got nailed for a buck in 2008 that had a third point that only measured 7/8" according to the wdfw. They refused to measure from the longest side of the point which is the outside of the point from the main beam and by doing so it actually measured 1-1/4 "legal".

I fought it in okanogan county court with a "Public Pretender". I used the "how to measure a legal point" as pictured and explained in the reg book. I was told by the judge that the description in the regulations was not accurate and did not apply, I voiced my opinion on the fact that the regulation book is a legal document of rules for sportsmen to follow so how could it not apply? He accused me of contempt, ruled me guilty, confiscated my bow, slapped me with a $5000.00, suspended jail time, gave me probation, took my animal and made sure to shame me for being from the west side.

The system is corrupt when it want's to be especially some small town courts that need to generate revenue. I screwed up by going with the bench trial because I knew my animal measured legal according to the regulation book and I fully expected the judge to do the rite thing and reprimand his game officer for bringing it to the courts.

Well I was sure wrong for trusting the system :chuckle: I will never take a bench trial if I'm ever in another trial situation :bdid: it will be a jury of my peers if ever again :tup:
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Post by: jstone on April 29, 2014, 07:35:14 PM: No shoot
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Post by: jason stevens on April 29, 2014, 08:26:07 PM: If that side is clean with no kickers put him in the freezer all day long. Any spurs its not worth it.
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Post by: gun-dog on May 04, 2014, 11:13:07 PM: as long as there are no kickers that weird lookin thing is DEAD!