Post by: deltaops on April 30, 2014, 09:15:43 PM
Just by reading the info below what is your opinion of this AR?
Would you buy it for around 1200? If yes, why? if no, why not?
I will be buying an AR soon and I am very interested in this one. So with out given the manufacture at this time, your input would be appreciated. Thank you for your time.
Weight: 7.025 Lbs. (without magazine)
Length Overall: 36.125 (32.375 with Telestock collapsed)
Caliber: .223 Rem. / 5.56mm NATO
Type: Rifle
Action: Semi-Automatic, Gas Impingement System
Capacity: 30 + 1- Ships with one 30 Round Magazine ( accepts all std. sizes)
Safety: Manual Lever with Indicator Markings on Both Sides of Receiver
Receiver: M4A4 Type Flat Top Upper Receiver
Receiver Material: Forged 7075 T6 Aircraft Aluminum with Aluminum Trigger Guard
Receiver Finish: Hardcoat Black Anodize Finish
Bolt Material: Carpenter 158 Steel
Barrel: 16 M4 Profile, Chrome Lined with Vortex Flash Suppressor
Barrel Material: 4150 Chrome Moly Vanadium 11595E Steel w. M4 Feed Ramps
Rifling: 1 Turn in 9 - Right Hand Twist
Stock: Magpul MOE 6-Position Telescoping Buttstock
Forend / Pistol Grip: Diamondhead Free-float Forend w. Magpul AFG Angled Grip /
Magpul MOE Black Pistolgrip w. Storage Compartment
Rear Sight: Diamondhead Dual Aperture Flip-up Sight
Front Sight: Diamondhead Front Flip-up Sight
Packaging: Hard Plastic Gun Case with Black Web Sling & Operators Manual
lifetime warranty on the rifle covering defects in material and workmanship. What sets this warranty apart is the fact that it is transferable to a subsequent owner of the firearm.
The results for ten 3-shot groups were as follows:
Manufacturer Cartridge Wt Bullet Min Max Average
Barnes VOR-TX 55 TSX-FB 1.1 2.4 1.9
Black Hills Remanufactured 55 Soft Point 0.5 1.2 0.9
Cor-Bon Urban Response 55 JHP 0.6 1.5 1.0
Federal Fusion 62 Fusion 1.5 1.7 1.6
Hornady Match 75 BTHP 1.1 1.7 1.3
Hornady Varmint Express 55 V-Max 0.9 1.6 1.3
Winchester Target 55 FMJ 1.3 2.3 1.9
Wolf Polyformance (steel) 55 FMJ 2.4 3.3 3.0
Post by: Jburke on May 01, 2014, 01:27:15 AM
Post by: Maligator on May 01, 2014, 03:21:24 AM
Not a huge fan of the 1/9 myself but if your going to feed it primarily lighter projectiles i.e. 40gr to 62gr you should be fine. I know each weapon has its own range of ammo it "likes" due to barrel harmonics. The groups listed below are acceptable: I am guessing they were 100 yard groups? I prefer to use 5 to 10 shot groups for a more accurate representation of grouping ability but that's just me.
You also didn't mention if it was a carbine, mid - length or rifle length gas system and what buffer it was using. I know it says " type: rifle" but I took that to mean type of firearm and not gas system.
I would also want to know what will the primary function of the weapon be? Plinker, SHTF/HD, hunting?
For the majority of users in the general population the rifle appears to be just fine given the information you provided.
Post by: deltaops on May 01, 2014, 09:17:12 AM
The bolt is not stamped MPI.
The bolt carrier is marked JC, manufactured by J.C. Machine of Phoenix, Arizona. The bolt carrier is a M16 type.
Type is a Carbine
This AR would be an all purpose AR for me, something that I would use in any given situation.
Here is what is bothering me on this AR and am having some second thoughts. Main reason I posted on here to get some opinions.
1:9 twist is a issue for me.
Being that it is a carbine is another issue.
The only other issue is that it is not stamped MP on the bolt and the Manufacturer that makes it does not have the full specs either.
This AR has mixed reviews but for the most part it has far more good than bad. I will post the Manufacturer here in a few.
Post by: Fowlweather25 on May 01, 2014, 09:39:02 AM
Post by: hollymaster on May 01, 2014, 09:48:23 AM
Post by: biggfish on May 01, 2014, 09:59:01 AM
Post by: deltaops on May 01, 2014, 10:00:40 AM
Building one on your own using quality components could cost you less. :twocents:
It is still an option for me right now and I may end up going that route.
Post by: deltaops on May 01, 2014, 10:04:11 AM
I would say no, I believe the .223/5.56 round to be sub par for threat suppression and being as you can't hunt big game in this state with it, it would imo fail to meet all around standards. I would be willing to budge more if it were a 6.8 or 7.62/.308 that's just my take. Its a fine caliber for small game and predators reaching out to where a .22 or can't.
That is my other option as well. I have been looking into some of the AR10's as well. The only thing for me at this time would be the cost per round.
Post by: deltaops on May 01, 2014, 10:06:54 AM
Post by: Fowlweather25 on May 01, 2014, 10:07:02 AM
Post by: Fowlweather25 on May 01, 2014, 10:08:30 AM
Post by: Maligator on May 01, 2014, 11:10:29 AM
For $1200 you could get a Colt, BCM, Daniel Defense, and a few other not so commonly known but exceptional ARs. All the previously mentioned brands closely reflect the TDP in the manufacturing process.
I am not going to discuss other calibers because you stated your interests were in that type weapon system. I will also not argue the merits of a 223 as others may.
The part that classifies it as a carbine is the barrel length, which is standard on most factory ARs. 1:9 twist is also fairly standard. You can always swap to a longer barrel with a different twist ratio. For an all purpose AR this would seem to fit the bill.This is incorrect...what classifies it as a carbine on an AR 15 platform is the length of the gas tube which in different lengths allows for a softer or stiffer felt recoil. Barrel length is irrelevant for this weapon platform when describing a "carbine".
The traditional AR was equipped with a rifle length gas system and a 20 inch barrel, it has progressed to the current M4 configuration with a 14.5 inch barrel and pinned flash hider or comp for civilian usage unless you get the 16 inch barrel thereby allowing for the easier switching of flash hider or comps without the need to file NFA paperwork.
Post by: deltaops on May 01, 2014, 01:22:43 PM
I have done a lot of research and reviews on different ARs for civilian use and I will continue to do more. In a few months I will make my purchase and go with what I am wanting and what will work for what I am looking for.
I am leaning towards the Colt, I am familiar with them and have been using the Military Issue for years. I have never had any problems with mine and the main issues I have seen from others is failure to maintain them properly.
I have also come across one from Palmetto Arms that is the same price range but comes with a EOtech and another that comes with a Leupold.
Post by: deltaops on May 01, 2014, 02:37:54 PM
Colt 6920SOCOM or the Colt 6940
After that my next one will be a build-AR10