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Equipment & Gear => Archery Gear => Topic started by: Rider on April 30, 2014, 10:27:40 PM

Title: Gluing inserts
Post by: Rider on April 30, 2014, 10:27:40 PM: Been buying Beeman ICS Hunter 400 arrows. Had them cut and inserts installed. Been having problems with the inserts pulling out. One person recommended hot melt glue, another article recommends a low temp melt glue, another article recommend a slow set epoxy.

Is there a "right way" to glue the inserts in so they don't come out. Ideally I'd like to be able to align the vanes with the blades of the broadheads.
Title: Re: Gluing inserts
Post by: Deathgrip on April 30, 2014, 10:43:45 PM: Clean them well with a q tip and alcohol let them dry and use Bohning Insert Iron. This works very well I have done 100's of dozens with it. :tup:
Title: Re: Gluing inserts
Post by: Rider on April 30, 2014, 10:59:23 PM: Where can I pick up the Bohning Insert Iron locally?
Title: Re: Gluing inserts
Post by: mountainman on May 01, 2014, 06:55:46 AM: Black goat tough with the rubber
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Title: Re: Gluing inserts
Post by: demontang on May 01, 2014, 02:00:32 PM: Aslong as they are cleaned right ive had very few problem with any of the fast set glues. I like the g5 blue glue and goat tough.
Title: Re: Gluing inserts
Post by: et1702 on May 01, 2014, 02:18:40 PM: JB Weld...Nothing better IMHO.

ET
Title: Re: Gluing inserts
Post by: Redbeard on May 01, 2014, 03:31:27 PM: Prep is the key in my opinion. A good inside cleaning with alcohol and a q-tip. All glues work for me
Title: Re: Gluing inserts
Post by: buckfvr on May 01, 2014, 04:26:40 PM: appropriate sized bore brush followed by q-tips with denatured alcohol.........any of the glues mentioned.
Title: Re: Gluing inserts
Post by: ouchfoss on May 01, 2014, 09:19:27 PM: As already mentioned, prep and cleaning is the first thing. I have always done real well with cyano acrylate ( super glue). I have used it for the last six years and have yet to have one insert come back out or come loose. Although, you need to make sure everything is true and perfect before you glue because after 30 seconds, that insert is there to stay. Other nice thing is that super glue can be found at almost any store nowadays. I used to use hot glue for probably my first ten years of bowhunting and had far too many inserts come loose or come off inside my target. Never again.
Title: Re: Gluing inserts
Post by: RadSav on May 04, 2014, 04:10:21 AM: Just make sure your cleaning alcohol is rated 97 or greater. Then just about all the popular insert glues will work just fine. I generally use Goat Tuff or Gorilla. But, if you want to align your broadheads with your fletching best to use a hot melt glue like Bohnings Ferr-L-Tite CoolFlex. To reverse bond for broadhead rotation definitely use the hot water method instead of flame to avoid damage to the carbon shaft.

All above mentioned glues are good. However, only the CoolFlex allows for the reversal for broadhead rotation and reactivation once set. It's not as good a bond as the cyanoacrylates mentioned above, but it should work just fine. Biggest key is that prep cleaning with high quality alcohol or laquer thinner. And make sure it's completely dry before gluing!
Title: Re: Gluing inserts
Post by: RadSav on May 04, 2014, 04:12:12 AM: Getting off track for a moment...

You look like a pretty good sized guy! What bow/poundage are you shooting where you get away with shooting a 400 spined arrow?
Title: Re: Gluing inserts
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 04, 2014, 07:08:24 PM: I think he's shooting a 2012 PSE brute. I did some detective work :chuckle:
Title: Re: Gluing inserts
Post by: Rider on May 04, 2014, 08:00:48 PM: Quote from: RadSav on May 04, 2014, 04:12:12 AM
Getting off track for a moment...

You look like a pretty good sized guy! What bow/poundage are you shooting where you get away with shooting a 400 spined arrow?

2012 PSE Brute X @ 50#. Shooting ICS Hunter 400 on the recommendation of Nock Point. I see a number of people maxing out their bow (my max is 70#). Seems to me that a 50# will still make the kill with a properly placed shot. I picked up Muzzy Phantom broadheads this weekend. I have both Toxic and Muzzy in the arsenal now. :)
Title: Re: Gluing inserts
Post by: RadSav on May 04, 2014, 08:36:56 PM: Quote from: Rider on May 04, 2014, 08:00:48 PM
Seems to me that a 50# will still make the kill with a properly placed shot.

Every day of the week and twice on Sunday!

Most guys would actually kill more animals if they shot less poundage. Accuracy has little to do with speed and energy. But means so much to the recovery of the animal. I do find with most bows that there seems to be a performance threshold where arrows go from lazy to determined at about 55 pounds.
Title: Re: Gluing inserts
Post by: Rider on May 05, 2014, 07:22:51 AM: Quote from: RadSav on May 04, 2014, 08:36:56 PM
I do find with most bows that there seems to be a performance threshold where arrows go from lazy to determined at about 55 pounds.

I'll have to give that a try. Thanks.
Title: Re: Gluing inserts
Post by: bowjunkie on June 13, 2014, 02:09:35 PM: x2 Gorilla and good prep i just tried the blu loc tite it seems to be holding well too.
Title: Re: Gluing inserts
Post by: windygorge on June 14, 2014, 07:08:51 AM: prep and good hot glue. never had issues, and it allows you to tune your broadhead with ease. if you need to rotate, just heat the broadhead with low heat until it releases, then spin. i have tried fast set glues and they have failed. probably my fault, but regardless, they failed. But thats me and my :twocents: