Post by: huntingbaldguy on May 01, 2014, 04:02:01 AM
Post by: RadSav on May 01, 2014, 04:47:21 AM
I like the 150 out of the 308, but prefer the 165 from a 30-06. I'm sure there will be eight pages of "You're Wrong! 'X' is the best" posts before end of the day. Leaving you completely confused. :chuckle:
Post by: lhrbull on May 01, 2014, 04:57:34 AM
Post by: chester on May 01, 2014, 05:08:50 AM
Post by: Curly on May 01, 2014, 05:26:08 AM
Post by: RadSav on May 01, 2014, 05:27:56 AM
Post by: huntingbaldguy on May 01, 2014, 05:28:34 AM
Post by: Curly on May 01, 2014, 05:31:59 AM
Post by: RadSav on May 01, 2014, 05:34:43 AM
So are any of those bullets too much for a deer? Am i going to ruin a great deal of meat i guess is what i'm asking unless i take a neck shot?
Probably damage less meat with the heavier bullet. But shoot a deer behind the shoulder or in the front part of the shoulder and there isn't usually too much meat loss anyway. Shooting them is the arse is where you loose all the meat ;) I don't consider any hunting bullet out of the '06 to be a real meat grinder. Velocities just aren't that high. It's really almost the perfect balanced hunting round.
Post by: jackelope on May 01, 2014, 05:37:02 AM
Post by: huntingbaldguy on May 01, 2014, 05:37:32 AM
This guys reports are always fun to read. I think he does post best performances a little light on animal weight, But he's always entertaining. http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/.30-06+Springfield.html (http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/.30-06+Springfield.html)
Great info, thank you.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 01, 2014, 05:39:36 AM
Post by: Maligator on May 01, 2014, 06:06:35 AM
Key point mentioned earlier is to find what bullet your rifle shoots most accurately and buy a bunch of them :tup:
Post by: bobcat on May 01, 2014, 06:38:35 AM
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Post by: Skillet on May 01, 2014, 07:24:17 AM
So, it matters what range you're looking at doing your hunting. 99% of shots under 300, maybe reaching out to 400 under optimal conditions? 165 Accubond gets my vote. Beyond that range, I like RadSav's list of non-bonded bullets.
Post by: jackmaster on May 01, 2014, 07:29:10 AM
Post by: RadSav on May 01, 2014, 07:47:32 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on May 01, 2014, 07:58:11 AM
Post by: h20hunter on May 01, 2014, 08:00:06 AM
Post by: Skillet on May 01, 2014, 08:14:25 AM
I think topics like this illustrate how much influence marketing and advertising has on us. They would have us believe that you need a different rifle for every species and condition that you may hunt.
Be a gamer, man. The firearms industry would fall flat on its face if everybody still hunted with their grandpa's model 70. You do know that deer and elk today are WAY tougher than deer and elk in the 50's, don't you? :dunno:
I read a while back that a guide has a good idea of how successful his client will be when he sees the gun come out of the case. If it is a brand-new custom build chambered in 7.88 Whizbang with a 12x26.75x50 scope with a name you can't pronounce all wrapped in cloth diapers for handling, he's going to hunt that guy differently (and not in a good way) than the guy that brings out the dinged and scratched 30-06 bolt action (pick your factory of choice) with a Weaver K4 scope on it.
Post by: RadSav on May 01, 2014, 08:18:19 AM
I think topics like this illustrate how much influence marketing and advertising has on us. They would have us believe that you need a different rifle for every species and condition that you may hunt.
Men have been using that logic since the invention of gunpower to convince their wives they need more
Post by: jackelope on May 01, 2014, 08:24:13 AM
I think topics like this illustrate how much influence marketing and advertising has on us. They would have us believe that you need a different rifle for every species and condition that you may hunt.
Be a gamer, man. The firearms industry would fall flat on its face if everybody still hunted with their grandpa's model 70. You do know that deer and elk today are WAY tougher than deer and elk in the 50's, don't you? :dunno:
I read a while back that a guide has a good idea of how successful his client will be when he sees the gun come out of the case. If it is a brand-new custom build chambered in 7.88 Whizbang with a 12x26.75x50 scope with a name you can't pronounce all wrapped in cloth diapers for handling, he's going to hunt that guy differently (and not in a good way) than the guy that brings out the dinged and scratched 30-06 bolt action (pick your factory of choice) with a Weaver K4 scope on it.
It's 12-26.75x50.
No X.
Come on, man.
:yike:
Post by: Skillet on May 01, 2014, 08:25:53 AM
Back to the issue at hand -
180 grain budget ammo (core lokt, federal vital-shok, etc.) for anything that you can buy a license over the counter for here in WA. As long as your gun likes it, the deer and elk won't. :twocents:
Post by: Skillet on May 01, 2014, 08:26:45 AM
I think topics like this illustrate how much influence marketing and advertising has on us. They would have us believe that you need a different rifle for every species and condition that you may hunt.
Be a gamer, man. The firearms industry would fall flat on its face if everybody still hunted with their grandpa's model 70. You do know that deer and elk today are WAY tougher than deer and elk in the 50's, don't you? :dunno:
I read a while back that a guide has a good idea of how successful his client will be when he sees the gun come out of the case. If it is a brand-new custom build chambered in 7.88 Whizbang with a 12x26.75x50 scope with a name you can't pronounce all wrapped in cloth diapers for handling, he's going to hunt that guy differently (and not in a good way) than the guy that brings out the dinged and scratched 30-06 bolt action (pick your factory of choice) with a Weaver K4 scope on it.
It's 12-26.75x50.
No X.
Come on, man.
:yike:
:chuckle:
Post by: magnanimous_j on May 01, 2014, 08:30:54 AM
I think topics like this illustrate how much influence marketing and advertising has on us. They would have us believe that you need a different rifle for every species and condition that you may hunt.
Men have been using that logic since the invention of gunpower to convince their wives they need moretoysweapons. Marketing and advertising just helps us men sell the idea to our spouses. Now quit trying to ruin the whole thing Mags >:(
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I get caught up in it too. When I was shopping for my motorcycle, I stared at horsepower charts until I went cross eyed. I read every review and "x vs. y" forum debate. I researched every aftermarket solution for problems that MIGHT come up on a bike that I MIGHT buy. But in the end, all those differences were mainly academic. I don't care what anyone says, you can't tell the difference between 105 and 110 hp when you are flying up a mountain road on a sunny day.
I would think the bullet thing is similar. You shoot an elk with the 165 and it goes 10 steps and dies. You shoot an elk with the 180 and it goes 5 steps. Is it the bullet weight? construction? Placement? temperature? Was one elk more of a wuss? Who the hell knows? And does it really matter?
Post by: RadSav on May 01, 2014, 08:38:17 AM
There is much discussion amongst my buddies about how to continue to build the arsenal even if they are initially rebuffed by the spousal unit. Probably a whole new thread there...
Sorry to get off topic but I have to share a story of a shop I heard about at the ATA.
The owner of the shop has a layaway payment program for bows and guns. Once a quarter he holds a free pizza night with a guest speaker. At that gathering he has a drawing for free giveaway guns and bows. Guys who have recently paid off their secret from the spouse layaway bring their wives or significant other. The shop owner draws their name and tells everyone what they have won!!! The wives are so proud of their husbands for winning something for free when in reality they've been sneaking ten dollar here and ten dollars there to pay it off in full. And the drawing is only to keep the husbands out of the dog house! They do get free pizza and hunting seminar out of the deal :IBCOOL:
Post by: MP123 on May 01, 2014, 09:58:44 AM
There is much discussion amongst my buddies about how to continue to build the arsenal even if they are initially rebuffed by the spousal unit. Probably a whole new thread there...
Sorry to get off topic but I have to share a story of a shop I heard about at the ATA.
The owner of the shop has a layaway payment program for bows and guns. Once a quarter he holds a free pizza night with a guest speaker. At that gathering he has a drawing for free giveaway guns and bows. Guys who have recently paid off their secret from the spouse layaway bring their wives or significant other. The shop owner draws their name and tells everyone what they have won!!! The wives are so proud of their husbands for winning something for free when in reality they've been sneaking ten dollar here and ten dollars there to pay it off in full. And the drawing is only to keep the husbands out of the dog house! They do get free pizza and hunting seminar out of the deal :IBCOOL:
:chuckle: :chuckle: That's a great plan! Could apply to lots of other toys too!
Post by: Skillet on May 01, 2014, 10:02:53 AM
I was taught a long time ago that wives can count to three, but not four. So, when you go shooting, you take three guns with you, but you bring back four. If you only take one out of the house and come back with two, you're a dead man...
Same principal applies to the safe. There must always be at least four empty spots before you can bring a new gun in. Never go below three empty spots. Unless you are storing your buddy's gun for him, since he doesn't have a safe yet. I bet that lazy SOB never gets his own safe, either :chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on May 01, 2014, 10:13:24 AM
There is much discussion amongst my buddies about how to continue to build the arsenal even if they are initially rebuffed by the spousal unit. Probably a whole new thread there...
Sorry to get off topic but I have to share a story of a shop I heard about at the ATA.
The owner of the shop has a layaway payment program for bows and guns. Once a quarter he holds a free pizza night with a guest speaker. At that gathering he has a drawing for free giveaway guns and bows. Guys who have recently paid off their secret from the spouse layaway bring their wives or significant other. The shop owner draws their name and tells everyone what they have won!!! The wives are so proud of their husbands for winning something for free when in reality they've been sneaking ten dollar here and ten dollars there to pay it off in full. And the drawing is only to keep the husbands out of the dog house! They do get free pizza and hunting seminar out of the deal :IBCOOL:
That is genious right there.
Post by: Curly on May 01, 2014, 10:39:10 AM
Quote from: jackelope link=topic=152405.msg2021322#msg2021322
It's 12-26.75x50.
No X.
Come on, man.
:yike:
Thanks jackelope. :)
Post by: Maligator on May 01, 2014, 10:42:44 AM
There is much discussion amongst my buddies about how to continue to build the arsenal even if they are initially rebuffed by the spousal unit. Probably a whole new thread there...
Sorry to get off topic but I have to share a story of a shop I heard about at the ATA.
The owner of the shop has a layaway payment program for bows and guns. Once a quarter he holds a free pizza night with a guest speaker. At that gathering he has a drawing for free giveaway guns and bows. Guys who have recently paid off their secret from the spouse layaway bring their wives or significant other. The shop owner draws their name and tells everyone what they have won!!! The wives are so proud of their husbands for winning something for free when in reality they've been sneaking ten dollar here and ten dollars there to pay it off in full. And the drawing is only to keep the husbands out of the dog house! They do get free pizza and hunting seminar out of the deal :IBCOOL:
That is genious right there.
I have to agree...Sheer brilliance :rockin:
Post by: huntingbaldguy on May 02, 2014, 12:08:15 AM
I think i'll try out a few 165's to see if there's an accuracy difference, and go with the best. I'll try some Hornady A Max, Barnes and the Accubonds. Can get all of them pretty easy.
Post by: Curly on May 02, 2014, 04:44:54 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on May 02, 2014, 04:58:41 AM
I'll let you guys know if a deer or elk ever refuses to die on me because I didn't shoot it with more expensive stuff.Hasn't happened yet.
Post by: Bean Counter on May 02, 2014, 05:03:32 AM
Post by: Come Get Some on May 02, 2014, 05:09:33 AM
Post by: 724wd on May 02, 2014, 07:30:39 AM
but the most important thing is to find what bullet your gun likes. I had an '06 that HATED 165's. 5 inch group at 100. 150's were an inch and 180's were inch and a half. go shoot a bunch of different ammo and pick the one that shoots best!
Post by: huntingbaldguy on May 03, 2014, 12:49:22 AM
Post by: coachcw on May 03, 2014, 07:00:50 AM
Post by: RadSav on May 03, 2014, 07:06:35 AM
I have found corelocks just arn't consistant and can come apart.
Really! I know some that have complained about them penetrating poorly in high velocity cartridges. But I've never heard or seen evidence of one coming apart at '06 velocity. That's interesting!
Post by: coachcw on May 03, 2014, 07:17:32 AM
Post by: Curly on May 03, 2014, 07:24:47 AM
Post by: coachcw on May 03, 2014, 07:26:52 AM
Post by: RadSav on May 03, 2014, 07:37:31 AM
I've also seen partions blow right through deer at close range with very little damageI can't tell you how many deer, elk and bear I have tracked for people because they shot them with Partitions at close range. I very rarely ever recommend the Partition. And you couldn't pay me enough to use the 130/.270 Partition. I;ve never seen a quick kill with that!
Post by: Halo on May 03, 2014, 08:13:39 AM
Post by: huntingbaldguy on May 04, 2014, 12:17:58 AM
For elk, the area i hunt we saw elk at 600 yards last year, we just couldn't tell how many points, if any. Spotting scope would have helped probably, but didn't have one, and even if i did i probably wouldn't have taken a 600 yard shot because i've never practiced out to those distances. This year though, i plan to have that spotting scope and at least bdc numbers out to 600 yards with practice out to 3 or 400.
Post by: RadSav on May 04, 2014, 12:52:53 AM
For elk, the area i hunt we saw elk at 600 yards last year, we just couldn't tell how many points, if any. Spotting scope would have helped probably, but didn't have one, and even if i did i probably wouldn't have taken a 600 yard shot because i've never practiced out to those distances.
That's a really long shot! You should probably feel pretty good about trying to get closer. The average hunter has a hard time with anything past 300 yards. For them 600 yards might as well be over 1/3rd of a mile! :chuckle:
I have seen the '06 take down a mature bull at just over 700 yards using some late 80's 180 grain Federal Premium ammo. It wasn't a Partition bullet and I was thinking it was a Sierra bullet of some sort. The hunter was an ex girlfriends father who had been a military sniper. He was a very good shot and the bull only made it a couple steps before going down. So it is definitely more than capable in the right hands.
Post by: huntingbaldguy on May 04, 2014, 05:10:43 AM
I have shot an AR at 350 yards though, so i have a bit of distance shooting experience, but not with my 06.
Post by: drysideshooter on May 04, 2014, 06:35:05 AM
I am a big 06 fan and own a few. The 168TTSX over 4064 shoot well out of most of them and are a good all around load in my opinion. I have one rifle that shoots 180 SST's better but that bullet hasn't performed as well on game for me.
Post by: Jingles on May 12, 2014, 09:25:53 PM
180 gr SPT BT
58.5 gr IMR 4350
Fed 215 primers
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Post by: Stein on June 13, 2014, 05:49:52 PM
I like the 165-168 grain bullets for the '06. That gun doesn't have the magnum velocity for good Barnes or hard bonded bullets unless you are pretty close as the 165 grain bullet usually drops below 2,600fps inside of 200 yards.
I use the 168 TSX, Barnes told me it would reliably open at 1800 fps which gives me more than adequate range for me (400 yards is still 1900 fps).
I would load the 180 for elk, but my rifle just shoots the 168 far better. Overall, it is a solid choice as a single bullet for everything. You get great penetration, reliable expansion and don't have to worry about chunks of lead in your meat. Most of the time you will pass through elk although last year I shot one at 80 yards and it was buried against the far hide after going through two ribs and the liver.
If I didn't have the money to shoot TSX, more elk have been killed with off the shelf Core-Lokt than you can imagine.
Post by: MadMooner on June 14, 2014, 07:38:44 AM
I just picked up a 30-06, my first in quite a while. I am going to start with the 155 Scenars and if that rifle makes the trip, will likely use them for deer and elk this year.
Post by: GameHunter1959 on June 16, 2014, 05:34:36 PM
I use to shoot 150 grain for deer and 180 grain for elk. Shot the cheap Remington $20 box stuff for years.They work well if your on a budget, but ever since I switched to the Federal 165 grain. Deadly! Hit a cow elk a little too far forward in the front shoulder. Completely destroyed both shoulders, as it destroyed one it hit the other side. One shot one kill. Game over..
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Post by: Dansk on June 16, 2014, 05:48:09 PM
I have owned several 30.06's over the years, all have liked the 165 to 180 grains really well, specifically the Barnes. I reloaded some 200 gr accubonds that consistently hit clays at 230 yds.
:yeah: x 2 for 165 Barnes xxx. Use that load in my 30-06 for both deer and elk. I like the no-lead option, but that's a personal pref. Barnes are bone crushers- all my deer have been dropped with one shot. Lungs, spine, shoulder- didn't matter. The bonus: no need to sight in different rounds if you switch between species- use the 165 for both. Sight it in for MPBR and you are good to go.
Post by: follow maggie on June 17, 2014, 10:10:29 PM