Post by: jetjockey on May 10, 2014, 06:27:44 PM
I've been excited to breed my pup for several years. I can't wait to get another pup!
Post by: Happy Gilmore on May 10, 2014, 11:02:45 PM
Out of curiosity, (not to be rude in any way) how much does one pay for the absolute top level Brit pup? I mean, the single best dream breeding you can imagine which is feasible this year? I know in the lab field trial world, you'd maybe talk about $3K? Yet, those pups would never be advertised or available because hard core FT'ers and would have them before they were bred. The breeders wouldn't even sell the dogs because they'd be turning down people asking if the breeding took place.
It seems for a average FT dog, going to those lengths and expenses is a bit outrageous? I don't know the pointer world like you do so, maybe I'm off base? What does a started Brit pup at 1.5 YO sell for if, it isn't a real big FT prospect? $3K?
Post by: AspenBud on May 11, 2014, 07:07:20 AM
Why not only breed if you have a waiting list of people wanting the breeding? Especially, because you seem to be having struggles with the natural breeding process? You're talking a lot of money for fertility work. Probably be cheaper to buy the littermate?
Out of curiosity, (not to be rude in any way) how much does one pay for the absolute top level Brit pup? I mean, the single best dream breeding you can imagine which is feasible this year? I know in the lab field trial world, you'd maybe talk about $3K? Yet, those pups would never be advertised or available because hard core FT'ers and would have them before they were bred. The breeders wouldn't even sell the dogs because they'd be turning down people asking if the breeding took place.
It seems for a average FT dog, going to those lengths and expenses is a bit outrageous? I don't know the pointer world like you do so, maybe I'm off base? What does a started Brit pup at 1.5 YO sell for if, it isn't a real big FT prospect? $3K?
As far as English Pointers go it depends on who the dog is and where in the country. A quality pup can be had for anywhere from $350-$500, especially if you look outside the Pac NW. The bigger trial prospects are usually sold before the breeding happens or has arrived. Started pups... it depends on what you consider started, I think 3k would be a little high however unless it was a direct pup out of a National Champion.
Post by: jetjockey on May 11, 2014, 08:08:20 AM
Week don't have a list becuse we aren't selling them right away. That doesn't mean I couldn't get a list with just a few phone calls. I've had lots of people tell me they want a pup, and depending how things work out, maybe they will get one. But myself, and my trainers clients will get the first option after the dogs are evaluated. If any of the pups show trial potential, they will be kept in house. As Aspen alluded to, this is the reason people who want pups from certain breeding, often can't get pups. I'm not saying this is going to be an incredible litter, but it has the potential to be. For that reason, the puppies will be kept in house and any pups that don't make the it will be sold..
I've seen brittany pups from lessor breeding go for over $1k, but $600-$800 is more realistic. There's a guy down here in GA who sells pups all day long for $1250. He has a well known Sire that is a NGDC and AmNGDC. If I wanted to sell pups, I'd breed to him. But we want to try and produce pups that are better than what we have now. IMO, breeding to the dog I mentioned above would be a step backwards. The price on started dogs can very by a pretty large margin. But 1K-$3k is probably a good average.
As far as the breeding goes, she hasn't had fertility problems. She's had timing problems. Every time she comes in the timing would taker her out of the spring or fall circuit. I didn't want to do that since she's been in the running for the dog of the year award every year. If hind sight was 20/20 though, I would have bred her when she came in last November. We didn't send her out for the circuit this spring because of my new daughter in daycare. Timing would have been perfect, but we didn't know at the time. Besides, bringing her in hasn't really been that expensive. I'm in it for a $200 vet bill, and about $200 in medicine and supplements. It cost more to ship her to Nebraska than it did to bring her in to season.
Post by: wildweeds on May 11, 2014, 12:24:34 PM
Post by: jetjockey on May 12, 2014, 05:00:47 PM
Ive thought about that. I did a lot of research on Ovuplant, PG-60, and Cabergoline. There's a few vets in the Brit world who use PG-60, but I read too many stories. Ovuplantis suppose to be decent, bu it's effects aren't great and it's a pain in the azz to administer. Cabergoline seems to get good results with very few side affects. In the research I read 80% of females had litters with just over 6 pups on average. Not perfect, but worth trying. We shall see.
Post by: jetjockey on July 03, 2014, 06:00:28 AM
Post by: wildweeds on July 03, 2014, 07:26:28 PM
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Post by: wildweeds on July 03, 2014, 08:10:14 PM
Post by: jetjockey on July 03, 2014, 08:16:52 PM
Post by: wildweeds on July 03, 2014, 09:27:20 PM
I help pups by the Robert Wehle method(Wing and Shot book),when they pop out,I give momma about 20 seconds to get the sack off of them,If she fails I intervene tear the sack off and rub the heck out of them until they scream bloody murder with a dry terrycloth towel.And then I insert them on a nipple
and wait until the next pup arrives.
I'll see what my trainer says. He's whelping the pups and is a lot more knowledgable than I am. I'm crossing my fingers everything goes smooth, but that's also why I have insurance on her.
Post by: jetjockey on July 04, 2014, 06:53:58 AM
Post by: AspenBud on July 06, 2014, 06:47:25 AM
Post by: jetjockey on July 25, 2014, 08:12:29 AM
Post by: REHJWA on July 25, 2014, 11:14:46 AM
Post by: Curly on July 25, 2014, 11:28:39 AM
Looking forward to pics. 8) :hello: