Post by: WapitiTalk1 on May 14, 2014, 01:14:47 PM
Are you shooting? If so, put an "X" on the spot your arrow is heading.
Reminder that if you save the picture to your desktop and open in MS Paint, you'll be able to place a spot, X, or whatever on the critter before you save it back to a jpg and add the marked up pic with your post.
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 14, 2014, 01:39:10 PM
Post by: Broken Arrow on May 14, 2014, 01:44:14 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 14, 2014, 01:46:14 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 14, 2014, 01:57:20 PM
Post by: Ccortez on May 14, 2014, 02:05:47 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 14, 2014, 02:19:09 PM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on May 14, 2014, 02:26:30 PM
If I had to take that shot I'd shoot straight up from your arrow mid body. Shoot where the dark neck hair turns to light brown body hair.
So, if you had to shoot...... something about like this? (Weird, I posted this a few minutes ago and it disapeared.. this is a repost... probably something I did).
Post by: Shawn Ryan on May 14, 2014, 03:39:41 PM
Post by: Shawn Ryan on May 14, 2014, 03:42:02 PM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on May 14, 2014, 04:00:20 PM
D-Rock, BLRman, and Phantom, you all discuss the "have to shoot" scenario. What conditions make you have to shoot?
I get your point Shawn (good point). Nobody has to shoot, well, not unless they are a starving pilgrim in the old wild west ;). Perhaps "decided to shoot" would be a better phrase than "have to shoot".
Post by: northwesthunter84 on May 14, 2014, 04:26:03 PM
Post by: Shawn Ryan on May 14, 2014, 04:55:46 PM
None of those ended in wounded elk, luckily, but I have shot arrows into elk that I have not recovered. I hated those situations and they made me sick all over, but they were good shooting situations at close range and darn frustrating to figure out why I couldn't find the dying elk and/or why I didn't have a double-lung shot.
Those have all helped lead me to "aggressive hunting, conservative shooting."
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 14, 2014, 05:24:54 PM
Post by: kentrek on May 14, 2014, 05:48:45 PM
I'm tired.....I'm really hot..... Ummmmm il hold my draw till he is 100% looking at me....then maybe put it where phantom said... If not il see what else he gives me :tup:
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on May 14, 2014, 08:01:51 PM
Nothing like getting back home from a hiking trip in this heat to have phantom throw a shoot or no shoot scenario out there :tup:
I'm tired.....I'm really hot..... Ummmmm il hold my draw till he is 100% looking at me....then maybe put it where phantom said... If not il see what else he gives me :tup:
Ha! Sorry kentrek, hope your hike went well. Why are you going to wait until he's looking at you to skewer him?
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on May 14, 2014, 08:05:06 PM
Phantom, I tried not to be judgmental in that question; apparently, I didn't succeed. I've been compelled to take shots that I thought better of after the moment. Fading light, end of the season, adrenaline, I can't believe he's getting away from me this time, basically, the "if I don't shoot now, I won't get a better or another chance" situations.
None of those ended in wounded elk, luckily, but I have shot arrows into elk that I have not recovered. I hated those situations and they made me sick all over, but they were good shooting situations at close range and darn frustrating to figure out why I couldn't find the dying elk and/or why I didn't have a double-lung shot.
Those have all helped lead me to "aggressive hunting, conservative shooting."
You weren't judgmental, I thought it was a very good point sir. "Had to shoot" is really a term for video games with no follow on repercussions, or, like I mentioned perhaps back in the day when it was life or death for you and your family if you didn't bring some game home. I enjoy your posts, keep em coming. RJ
Post by: kentrek on May 14, 2014, 08:23:01 PM
Hope that makes sense lol basically once he spotted ya it really cuts down the odds of another shot oppertunity so il take what i can get
Post by: elkmtngear on May 15, 2014, 07:45:32 AM
Of course, it's situational. If the bull was on edge or appeared high strung...no way. If he was relaxed and I was at full draw under 20 yds...I'd take him.
Post by: kckrawler on May 15, 2014, 08:15:48 AM
I'd take the shot at 29 yards...but maybe I shouldn't :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 15, 2014, 08:53:48 AM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on May 15, 2014, 08:59:59 AM
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/live-hunt/2011/07/bowhunting-tips-when-take-frontal-shot (http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/live-hunt/2011/07/bowhunting-tips-when-take-frontal-shot)
Post by: h20hunter on May 15, 2014, 09:00:48 AM
In regards to your spot.....and please feel free to correct me as this is a learning thread, not a bashing....
I'd push the shot to the right a bit. I would be trying for the heart or just above the heart to hit the section of connecting vessels. A bit back there was a post about a kid that front hit an elk and it bled out like a faucet and fell right on its face. I think your shot choice could result in hitting bone and glancing left and taking out some meat and only wounding the animal.
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 15, 2014, 09:13:34 AM
D-Rock, BLRman, and Phantom, you all discuss the "have to shoot" scenario. What conditions make you have to shoot?I guess have to shoot was the wrong choice of words. If I had to pick a spot I think that would be your best option. The only thing that would make this a have to shoot is if that elk already had an arrow in it and this was a follow up shot.
Post by: Rainier10 on May 15, 2014, 09:41:12 AM
No shot for me unless like D-Rock says it is already hit and standing in front of me then I get another one in it any way possible.D-Rock, BLRman, and Phantom, you all discuss the "have to shoot" scenario. What conditions make you have to shoot?I guess have to shoot was the wrong choice of words. If I had to pick a spot I think that would be your best option. The only thing that would make this a have to shoot is if that elk already had an arrow in it and this was a follow up shot.
By your description of the situation my guess is soon he turns back to his left and walks away giving you a better shot. Maybe he turns right to check out whatever has his curiosity but either way there is a better shot to be had.
If you take this shot and wound him you will be sick to your stomach for not waiting on a better shot.
Post by: kckrawler on May 15, 2014, 10:26:35 AM
I think your shot choice could result in hitting bone and glancing left and taking out some meat and only wounding the animal.
Yeah, I agree that this shot could end up hitting a leg bone and deflecting causing an ugly gut shot. May be too sketchy of a shot to take it...wait for him to turn a bit.
Post by: Shawn Ryan on May 15, 2014, 11:40:12 AM
D-Rock, BLRman, and Phantom, you all discuss the "have to shoot" scenario. What conditions make you have to shoot?I guess have to shoot was the wrong choice of words. If I had to pick a spot I think that would be your best option. The only thing that would make this a have to shoot is if that elk already had an arrow in it and this was a follow up shot.
:yeah: Perfect answer. Thank you for replying. That situation could definitely call for the frontal shot and is a good reason to know at which spot to aim.
This exchange of knowledge is great for making me think. And great for reiterating, in a practical and a virtual experience way, what to do and not to do. Phantom, karma is real; you should be expecting to notch your tag in September and tie it to a nice 350 bull.
Post by: elkmtngear on May 15, 2014, 11:56:24 AM
http://elkmtngear.com/blog/the-frontal-shot-bad-mistake-or-great-opportunity.html (http://elkmtngear.com/blog/the-frontal-shot-bad-mistake-or-great-opportunity.html)