Post by: yorketransport on May 25, 2014, 09:51:35 PM
The most important info to come out of it though was the correction from a 100 yard zero to a 290 yard zero. It took exactly 2 MOA to be dead on at 290 yards from a 100 yard zero. Going with a 3450fps muzzle velocity and a 2 MOA correction, the BC of the 160gr Matrix VLD is right at .68. Now that's impressive! The next trip out will be testing at the 290 and 700 yard targets.
I didn't have a ton of time to shoot yesterday but I got a little bit in at the 800 and 1225 targets. This is the 800 yard spot. The black circle marks the 800 yard gong. The 1225 is a rock off in the other direction.
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Post by: Biggerhammer on May 26, 2014, 12:01:32 PM
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Post by: jay.sharkbait on May 26, 2014, 12:43:39 PM
6.5 Badger/ 160gr Matrix VLD (Left). Parent case .338 Ultra Magnum(Right).
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Why didn't they use the .300 ultra as the parent? :chuckle:
Post by: b23 on May 26, 2014, 01:18:28 PM
It looks to be around a 35 degree shoulder with very little taper but the RUM cases don't have much taper to start with.
I'm going to assume you get your best results with powders that are on the very slow end of the chart.
Post by: bearpaw on May 26, 2014, 01:24:04 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on May 26, 2014, 01:43:09 PM
Since they "improved" the case, I was sort of wondering that myself. I would guess case capacity of a 300RUM and a "improved" 338RUM would be nearly the same. There is certainly Pros and Cons to each.
It looks to be around a 35 degree shoulder with very little taper but the RUM cases don't have much taper to start with.
I'm going to assume you get your best results with powders that are on the very slow end of the chart.
I was thinking a 300 improved......I mean as long as we are being ridiculous and all..
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 26, 2014, 01:52:49 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on May 26, 2014, 02:00:45 PM
It's a 40 degree shoulder. With the shorter .338 Ultra Magnum case , it makes it easier to run it as a repeater with the 160gr Matrix out of a Rem700 Mag box. Those were my thoughts when I drew up the reamer. That along with the free bore.
Whats the COAL with the 160's?
Post by: b23 on May 26, 2014, 03:20:06 PM
It's a 40 degree shoulder. With the shorter .338 Ultra Magnum case , it makes it easier to run it as a repeater with the 160gr Matrix out of a Rem700 Mag box. Those were my thoughts when I drew up the reamer. That along with the free bore.
I wondered if that maybe had something to do with it. All though setting it up as a single shot certainly wouldn't hurt anything. I can't imagine keeping it a repeater so you can shoot it faster is something you really want to do with this chambering anyway. Well, not if you want the throat to last more than 500 rounds. :yike:
I'm guessing you'd see pressure a lot sooner with more taper in the case as well. Those straight cases with minimal taper have a sneaky way of hiding pressure signs. 3450 is flat screaming with a 160gr. pill in a 6.5mm bore. Should have called it the "Screamin Demon" :tup:
How long is the barrel on your 6.5 Badger???
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 26, 2014, 03:21:00 PM
It's a 40 degree shoulder. With the shorter .338 Ultra Magnum case , it makes it easier to run it as a repeater with the 160gr Matrix out of a Rem700 Mag box. Those were my thoughts when I drew up the reamer. That along with the free bore.
Whats the COAL with the 160's?
3.680
Here's a pic of a loaded 6.5 Badger cartridge in a standard Rem700 Ultra Magnum mag box (Left) on the right is a longer Wyatt's extended ultra mag box.
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Wyatt's Remington extended ultra box(Left). Factory ultra box (Right).
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Post by: b23 on May 26, 2014, 03:34:26 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 26, 2014, 03:35:52 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 26, 2014, 03:40:32 PM
I went from one xtreme to the other. My first Ultra Magnum based wildcat was the .450 Ultra Magnum, a .375 Ultra Magnum necked up to .458. Then I decided to do the 6.5 Badger, I currently have a reamer in the works built around using the Matrix (.270) .277 175gr VLD in a 8 twist barrel.
.450 Ultra/500gr Hornady (Left) 6.5 Badger (Right)
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Post by: yorketransport on May 26, 2014, 05:36:02 PM
The improved 338 RUM case is with in .5 grain of a straight RUM case but with the ability to cycle through a Rem action. It's just a little too long to feed from a standard Savage long action mag, but they could be modified to work.
Since they "improved" the case, I was sort of wondering that myself. I would guess case capacity of a 300RUM and a "improved" 338RUM would be nearly the same. There is certainly Pros and Cons to each.
It looks to be around a 35 degree shoulder with very little taper but the RUM cases don't have much taper to start with.
I'm going to assume you get your best results with powders that are on the very slow end of the chart.
It's pretty hard to find powders slow enough to work really well. Right now I'm using US869. There are a few slower powders out there, but this is about the slowest ball powder I can get. Extruded powders would give powder bridging issues with the sharp shoulder and small bore diameter. Even with max loads (which the 3450 certainly is!) there's still a decent amount of case capacity left.
The Nosler cases I'm using now have 1 fire forming load (Bullseye and COW) and 2 full power loads through them and the primer pockets are still tight. I've had poor results with Nosler brass in the past but this stuff is holding up better than I expected. I don't expect much more than 4 full power loads before the cases need to be scrapped. To be fair, I don't expect much more than 600 rounds from this barrel before it's done.
Andrew
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 26, 2014, 05:44:43 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 26, 2014, 06:08:46 PM
Copied from the Texashunting Forum in regards to shooting the 26 Nosler factory ammo and the real world velocities.
26 Nosler
Factory 129gr ABLR 20 rounds supplied Advertized 3400fps
20 rounds fired: ALL 20 rounds were fired using the Magnetospeed
Max FPS 3351fps
Avg FPS 3317fps
Min FPS 3291fps
ES 60
SD 15
Post by: jay.sharkbait on May 26, 2014, 06:40:43 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 26, 2014, 07:11:45 PM
Post by: yorketransport on May 26, 2014, 07:31:41 PM
My buddy is having a 338 Edge built so that he can keep up with my 375 BME out past 1000 yards. He was with me when I took the Badger out on Saturday, and now he's starting to rethink the Edge. If the Badger holds true to what I've seen so far, I think that my 375 is going to get put aside for a while! :tup: Not that I don't love throwing the 350gr MK around and smacking rocks with it, I just get tired of the abuse. Even at 13# and with a 4 port Muscle brake the 375 slaps me around pretty good. The 6.5 Badger is comfortable to shoot without a brake. :tup:
According to the all knowing ISnipe (FWIW :chuckle:) the 6.5 Badger will only need 33.15 MOA to reach 1500 yards from a 100 yard zero. The 338 Edge shooting a 300gr MK at 2850 (pretty standard load) needs about 38.6 MOA. The Edge will do better with the 300gr Berger OTM, but you need a muzzle brake and more expensive bullets. Both the Badger and the Edge should be pretty effective rock busters! :tup:
I just found a used 30" Brux barrel in 6.5x47 Lapua today that I may grab as a backup barrel for when this one gets torched. I can't think of a better use for a 6.5x47 barrel. :chuckle:
Andrew
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 26, 2014, 07:47:51 PM
Post by: yorketransport on May 26, 2014, 07:50:52 PM
You are doing the world a favor Yorke! Rechamber every 6.5x47 barrel you can find!:chuckle:
It's funny, I had a 6.5x47 that I built for a friend. It was a really good gun, but I just never learned to love it. Neither did he. He sold it and bought a Sendero to build a 338 Edge off of. :chuckle:
Post by: bearpaw on May 27, 2014, 11:37:49 AM
Post by: b23 on May 27, 2014, 12:57:30 PM
I'm actually one of the, seemingly, few that actually likes US869 so I'm curious what kind of ES numbers you are getting with your full tilt 3450 loads.
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 17, 2014, 05:10:32 PM
I'm going to do my cartridge testing and load development on a Savage action. Figured this was the easiest route to go. I'll put allot of miles on this barrel testing, when I have it all figured out. Benchmark Barrels will get a Remington 700 action and the reamer to build me my "Hunter" 6.5 Badger.
My 26" , 1-8 twist, 3P heavy barrel arrived today from BlackHole Weaponry. Head spaced it up ( Thanks Yorke!) The stock will be in Tuesday, then I'll start forming cases. Had the barrel threaded 5/8-24 for the Killer Innovations muzzle brake.
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Post by: yorketransport on July 19, 2014, 11:35:36 AM
It's killing me that I can't shoot right now! I'm so close to finishing up the work on my Badger. :bash: I think I set myself back at least two more weeks though. I'm hoping that the wrist and elbow are good enough to do at least enough shooting with the rifles to get most of the finished and sighted in for bear season.
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 19, 2014, 03:05:38 PM
I did neck two all the way down to 6.5 and seat a bullet to check my dimension. My reamer has a .299 neck and a unturned necked down Remington case with a bullet seated has a neck dimension of .296 .
Should be up and going with it in 10 days or less. :tup:
I'm also curious as to the velocity I'm going to get out of the 8 twist 3P Polygonal. I would be more than happy with 3400 fps with the 160gr Matrix. I won't know until I send a few over a friends Magnetto Speed.
Post by: Nape.257 on July 20, 2014, 02:54:35 PM
The 338Edge may not be the flattest but you don't have to re-barrel them every other year.
Great looking build love shooting long.
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 20, 2014, 03:11:16 PM
Another member quoted Elmer Keith when discussing this cartridge in a PM. :tup:
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
Post by: yorketransport on July 20, 2014, 03:28:13 PM
I don't think barrel life will really be that much worse than a 7mm RUM pushed to similar levels. You can always have the barrel set back at about 400 rounds to squeeze a little more out of the barrel.
I've shot the 6.5 Badger side by side with the 338 Edge, 7mm RUM and the 270 RUM as well as my 375 BME. With similar bullets they're all in the same ball park at 1000 yards. The Badger just gets there slightly faster! :chuckle:
Andrew
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 20, 2014, 03:35:53 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 27, 2014, 09:51:36 AM
So while pondering the next project already :tup:. I can't over look "Yorketransport's" creation, the .375 BME!
I found several 30" 10 twist blanks that would work well for it. A 350gr Sierra Match King at almost 3100fps is very impressive to those of us that like to punish ourselves behind our rifles. With that velocity and a BC of .800+ for the 350 MK it just can't be passed up! :tup: Seeing that Yorke was kind enough to send the reamer this is something that just has to happen.
Left to right.
.338 Ultra Magnum case
6.5 Badger 40 degree improved( Parent case .338 Ultra Magnum ) with a 160gr Matrix
.375 BME (Box Monkey Express) Improved .375 Ultra Magnum with a 350gr Sierra Matchking
To keep it all in prospective. :tup: Lapua 6.5-.284 case far right.
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Post by: Taco280AI on July 27, 2014, 10:22:00 AM
You shooting 2000 yards at elk? :chuckle:
Post by: yorketransport on July 27, 2014, 09:44:41 PM
The 350gr MK shoots right there with the 300 gr Berger OTM out of a 338 Edge. In fact, the trajectories of the 6.5 Badger (160gr Matrix), 270 RUM (150gr ABLR), 7mm RUM (200gr Wildcat), 300 RUM (230gr OTM), 338 Edge (300gr Berger OTM) and 375 BME (350gr MK) are all surprisingly close out to around 1200 yards.
I just want BiggerHammer to finish up his 375 BME so that it can me somebody else's project for a while. My shoulder and wallet can only take so much of that caliber before it starts to get old! :chuckle:
Andrew
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 27, 2014, 10:00:28 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 28, 2014, 06:39:29 PM
Gorge Custom Coatings (Thanks Carp) did a superb job with the Cerakote on the action, barrel nut, recoil lug, bolt sleeve and bolt release. The action body and parts were Cerakoted in Savage Stainless. Ditched the factory bolt handle and went with a custom Sigma Machine stainless handle with a aluminum knob. I'm going to have Kampfeld Custom spiral flute the bolt. I may have the bolt and bolt handle Cerakoted same as the action then, maybe not? I haven't decided yet.
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The barrel went off to be bead blasted and laser engraved along with timing the Killer Innovations muzzle brake. Thanks Killer Innovations for hooking me up.
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Killer Innovations muzzle brake
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The pile of parts.
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My 6.5 Badger test rifle ready for optics. But I'll "Cream of Wheat" form cases before I throw glass on it. 26" Blackhole Weaponry 8 twist 3P Polygonal barrel.
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Post by: jay.sharkbait on July 28, 2014, 06:47:02 PM
Aluminum oxide blast would match the rec'r perfectly if you want to re-doo.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on July 28, 2014, 06:50:38 PM
Post by: yorketransport on July 28, 2014, 06:57:48 PM
I like the look of that brake. I may need to try one out. I have a 284 win Striker barrel that I've been thinking of braking and that may be the perfect test platform.
Now you need to hurry up and start shooting it!
Post by: jay.sharkbait on July 28, 2014, 07:02:45 PM
If that bolt handle were any bigger it would block the trigger! :chuckle:
I like the look of that brake. I may need to try one out. I have a 284 win Striker barrel that I've been thinking of braking and that may be the perfect test platform.
Now you need to hurry up and start shooting it!
I'll hook you up with a brake....But you have to stop by the shop for a tour.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 28, 2014, 07:04:24 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 28, 2014, 07:39:17 PM
Brandon, Brandon, Brandon...................are you in therapy for anything ? :tup:
Ooooooh! You have no idea. :o
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 28, 2014, 08:02:18 PM
Brandon, Brandon, Brandon...................are you in therapy for anything ? :tup:
Ooooooh! You have no idea. :o
I'm thinkin', I might be gettin' a grip on your madness........ :chuckle:
Post by: Dan-o on July 28, 2014, 08:05:54 PM
But holy crap!!!!!
I can't wait to see a ballistics table for that thing.
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 28, 2014, 08:40:59 PM
Post by: bullcanyon on July 29, 2014, 06:24:09 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on July 29, 2014, 06:30:47 PM
Looks awesome man! You are a bad influence. Making me want to build a new gun in 6.5 really bad! Can't wait to see how that bad boy does for ya.
Maybe rebarrel that old crappy .338 you bought recently?
Post by: iusmc2002 on July 29, 2014, 06:43:26 PM
Everything came back today that was needed to assemble my test rifle. It was a loooong hot day here. Almost put it off until tomorrow but couldn't handle just looking at the pile of parts. Seeing this is the first Savage action based rifle I have built due to the fact I'm a sucker for Remington actions. Installing the complete trigger assembly back in this action was a complete test of my nerves! :tup:
Gorge Custom Coatings (Thanks Carp) did a superb job with the Cerakote on the action, barrel nut, recoil lug, bolt sleeve and bolt release. The action body and parts were Cerakoted in Savage Stainless. Ditched the factory bolt handle and went with a custom Sigma Machine stainless handle with a aluminum knob. I'm going to have Kampfeld Custom spiral flute the bolt. I may have the bolt and bolt handle Cerakoted same as the action then, maybe not? I haven't decided yet.
Before
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The barrel went off to be bead blasted and laser engraved along with timing the Killer Innovations muzzle brake. Thanks Killer Innovations for hooking me up.
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Killer Innovations muzzle brake
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The pile of parts.
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My 6.5 Badger test rifle ready for optics. But I'll "Cream of Wheat" form cases before I throw glass on it. 26" Blackhole Weaponry 8 twist 3P Polygonal barrel.
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Post by: Biggerhammer on July 29, 2014, 07:51:59 PM
"Cream Of Wheat" loads ready to be fired.
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I got a really good form with the 14grains of Bullseye powder that Yorke used to form his.
The top cartridge has been fired through Yorke's rifle with a full house load. The center case is one I just "Cream Of Wheat" fire formed and the bottom case is the parent case a standard .338 Rem Ultra Mag.
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Post by: yorketransport on July 30, 2014, 10:14:36 PM
If that bolt handle were any bigger it would block the trigger! :chuckle:
I like the look of that brake. I may need to try one out. I have a 284 win Striker barrel that I've been thinking of braking and that may be the perfect test platform.
Now you need to hurry up and start shooting it!
I'll hook you up with a brake....But you have to stop by the shop for a tour.
That offer's too good to turn down!
I have a new scope on the way to throw on my 6.5 badger. I'll try and get that mounted up and ready to go in the next week or so.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 30, 2014, 10:16:30 PM
Looking forward to your results. I have been thinking about doing a short action 6.5x300wsm or something like that. I have to many long/magnum actions but the 6.5 is looking pretty good. Not that I don't love my Grendel but I need a little more zip then she can give in a bolt gun :chuckle:
Post by: yorketransport on July 30, 2014, 10:22:25 PM
For a savage :chuckle: That thing is pretty sexy!
Looking forward to your results. I have been thinking about doing a short action 6.5x300wsm or something like that. I have to many long/magnum actions but the 6.5 is looking pretty good. Not that I don't love my Grendel but I need a little more zip then she can give in a bolt gun :chuckle:
The 6.5x300 wsm is a great round, in a handgun. :chuckle: In a rifle you need to burn more powder before it gets interesting. You need to build your own Badger. :tup:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 30, 2014, 10:36:50 PM
Me and my buddy were talking about loading the Anzio 20mm. That would get spendy fast :chuckle:
Post by: GUscottie on July 31, 2014, 12:05:02 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 31, 2014, 08:25:23 AM
Averaged 3337 fps with the 160gr Matrix for the three with 93gr of US869. This morning I dug out the neck turner and got it dialed in. After work I'll load some up and give it a try this weekend. My pressures should drop now with the turned necks and I'll work up the powder charge from there.
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Post by: jay.sharkbait on July 31, 2014, 10:39:20 AM
I shot three rounds through it yesterday over the Magnetto Speed. Tried to get away with not having to turn necks but after the pressure signs I'm going to have to.
Averaged 3337 fps with the 160gr Matrix for the three with 93gr of US869. This morning I dug out the neck turner and got it dialed in. After work I'll load some up and give it a try this weekend. My pressures should drop now with the turned necks and I'll work up the powder charge from there.
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I love the pic of the micrometer sitting on the grinding wheel!
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 31, 2014, 10:43:29 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on July 31, 2014, 10:57:48 AM
That's the grinder I used to tweak the bottom angle on the turner cutter.
Heathen
Post by: yorketransport on July 31, 2014, 10:04:27 PM
That's the grinder I used to tweak the bottom angle on the turner cutter.
Heathen
We don't all have access to the really cool tools! ;)
I do all of my gun smithing with a Dremel and a cut off disk. :tup:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 31, 2014, 10:13:59 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on August 03, 2014, 03:50:28 PM
While laying in the sage brush I slipped cartridge into 6.5 Badger chamber topped with a 139gr Lapua Scenar, on top of a stout charge of US869 and sent it on its way. A side ways glance at the Magnetto Speed read out gave me a crappy smirk that I haven't had since my last world class aerial hit on a Rockchuck. 3599 FPS out of a 26" barrel. :o
Post by: PNW4Life on November 03, 2017, 10:46:08 AM
What it costs to chamber a barrel?
Cost of dies?
I've been kicking around the idea of running a long throat in a 26 Nosler, but this Badger sounds more interesting to me. 500-600 rounds in a hunting rifle doesn't sound bad at all.
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 03, 2017, 11:35:18 AM
It lasted a little over 200 rounds but was shooting really well with the 160gr Matrix VLD's. There are only three barrels that have been chambered in 6.5 Badger. Mine, Yorke's and a gunsmith did a barrel for himself.
Yorke was launching the 160gr Matrix VLD with a real world BC of .685 @ 3460 fps !!!
I had CH4D tool and die do my custom dies, I have had them do all my wildcat custom dies. They are $89.00 a set plus a little shipping.
I'm kicking around putting the Badger on hold for a bit and having my action rebarreled with a Bartlien 7mm, 8.7 twist, chambered in 28 Nosler and throated for the 7mm Berger 195's.
Left to right.
450 Ultra Magnum, 6.5 Badger, 28 Nosler.
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Post by: yorketransport on November 03, 2017, 05:08:31 PM
If I did another 6.5 badger barrel I’d use a gain twist barrel with a 1-6” exit twist. Throwing a heavy, long bullet this fast is pretty hard on the barrel and the projectile. The gain twist helps even out the pressure curve.
Post by: PNW4Life on November 04, 2017, 02:46:43 PM
I'm sure this rifle would last a lifetime of hunting, especially if I use a cheap 6.5 barrel to get brass formed and dial in a load before throwing on the CF barrel to finalize a load.
Who's your smith?
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 04, 2017, 08:22:01 PM
I'd be looking to run the heavies only... 147 ELDm, 150 Matchking, 155 EOL... in a 28" CF barrel. I dig the pics showing the Badger sitting in between the 28 Nosler and your huge round.
I'm sure this rifle would last a lifetime of hunting, especially if I use a cheap 6.5 barrel to get brass formed and dial in a load before throwing on the CF barrel to finalize a load.
Who's your smith?
Feel free to message me when it comes to the reamer and "Go" gauge. I have a set of dies on hand.
Post by: PNW4Life on November 05, 2017, 12:12:05 PM
If I did another 6.5 badger barrel I’d use a gain twist barrel with a 1-6” exit twist. Throwing a heavy, long bullet this fast is pretty hard on the barrel and the projectile. The gain twist helps even out the pressure curve.
Interesting.
What twist would you start with? 1-8"? With a gain twist, would there be some extra speed to pick up?
I wonder if Hardy would be able to put together something like that...
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 05, 2017, 01:19:27 PM
I'm going to have another Badger reamer done and tweak the shoulder angle a little. The 40 degree shoulder is too steep and really limits powders that can be used due to powder bridging, causing pressure spikes and erratic speeds with some powders.
Post by: yorketransport on November 05, 2017, 03:42:56 PM
If I did another 6.5 badger barrel I’d use a gain twist barrel with a 1-6” exit twist. Throwing a heavy, long bullet this fast is pretty hard on the barrel and the projectile. The gain twist helps even out the pressure curve.
Interesting.
What twist would you start with? 1-8"? With a gain twist, would there be some extra speed to pick up?
I wonder if Hardy would be able to put together something like that...
I'd actually start at around 1-12", or maybe even slower, and go to a 1-6" twist. When you think of a bullet engaging the rifling, think of the clutch on a manual transmission and a higher bullet weight being analogous to a higher gear in the transmission. With a lighter bullet you can engage the rifling faster without running into issues because of the lower inertia (ability to resist change) of the lighter bullet. The heavier bullets have greater inertia, and just don't want to go from zero to 306,000+ RPM without a fight. In a car, that's like trying to dump the clutch from a dead stop in 3rd gear. It's not that you can't do it, but it's just not ideal.
Think of gain twist rifling as a way to "ease" the clutch out and slow down the acceleration of the bullet from 0-306K RPM over a length of 26" instead of .5". Just like slowly easing the clutch out will allow you to start a car in a higher gear, gain twist rifling will allow a heavier bullet a smoother transition up to full exit RPM. This is easier on the bullet jacket and changes the pressure curve in the barrel.
The down side to the whole thing is that there aren't a lot of options for gain twist barrels, they're more expensive, and the wait times are pretty excessive. You'll notice though that gain twist .375 barrels are almost the norm for all of the new "super 375s" being used in the KO2M and other ELR guns. It has a lot to do with the heavy for caliber, driving band bullets needing a more gradual transition up to full RPM. Those guns are a pretty extreme example, but the same logic applies to the smaller chamberings.
Post by: PNW4Life on November 06, 2017, 08:34:49 AM
Yorke has some input when it comes to a gain twist, he has done the math. I have never personally owned a gain twist or shot a gain twist barrel.
I'm going to have another Badger reamer done and tweak the shoulder angle a little. The 40 degree shoulder is too steep and really limits powders that can be used due to powder bridging, causing pressure spikes and erratic speeds with some powders.
What would change the angle to? 35 degrees?
Post by: b23 on November 06, 2017, 09:49:26 AM
I'm going to have another Badger reamer done and tweak the shoulder angle a little. The 40 degree shoulder is too steep and really limits powders that can be used due to powder bridging, causing pressure spikes and erratic speeds with some powders.
I know you weren't getting any bridging with US869 because it's a ball powder but were you getting any erratic velocities with it? As you know, US869 kinda burns like wet coal, something I've found with using it in my 30-338 Lap Imp and 338 Lap Imp is it'll give me crazy ES #'s if I'm not seating my bullets 15 thou or closer. Whenever I'm 15 thou or closer my ES will come down into the low teens or better. Just a thought if you already aren't doing so.