Post by: C-Money on May 26, 2014, 08:07:33 AM
Post by: gasman on May 26, 2014, 04:27:17 PM
After researching and looking at the different boats comparatively, the Raider and Hewes were above the Alumaweld.
The storage was more ample, and the side width were probably the breaking point. The sides on the Alumaweld were not very wide and I felt I was looking for something a bit more beefier, but that just me.
I am planning on more saltwater usage and in my opinion the Alumaweld is more suitable for the river. Dont get me wrong, I see lots of them on the salt, its just my .02.
Post by: lokidog on May 26, 2014, 10:29:51 PM
An extra foot or two can make a huge difference in useful space, especially if heading out on the salt. If you are looking at a late spring/summer Sound boat or lake boat, and it's a good price, it would probably be a good deal. One drawback to the other boats is that they are heavier and you will likely burn more fuel using it.
Does that boat have a 60 hp on it? Might be a little light if loading up.
One other thing to consider is that aluminum boats seem to have a pretty low cargo/passenger rating. My boat is rated 5 people and 750 pounds where my 12' Livingston is rated for 4 people and 700 pounds, I think. I'm not sure why the rating is so low. The Talon 17 appears to be rated for 4 people.
Post by: h2ofowlr on May 26, 2014, 10:45:28 PM
Post by: steeleywhopper on May 26, 2014, 11:50:24 PM
Post by: RadSav on May 27, 2014, 12:45:48 AM
You get over a foot more beam on the Stryker! And a much beefier side wall. You will notice a big improvement in how it rides in heavy chop. The down side to the Stryker is it still has a small prop limit and the extra weight in the beefier construction can make them handle like a floating slug. But you do get used to it and the extra room is a very welcome addition.
If I were ever to go back to a 16' boat I'd save some money and get one without the fancy windshield. I like having a column instead of being stuck at the tiller. But a simple center post will give you a lot more usable space and without the parachute you will find it holds troll and keeps you on drift longer. WAY cheaper too!
Post by: rasbo on May 27, 2014, 03:27:00 AM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on May 27, 2014, 05:10:43 AM
Post by: Hilltop123 on May 27, 2014, 06:12:36 AM
1. Don't be in a hurry to purchase.( I know easier said than done)
2. Look at every brand, you possibly can. (I had to go to Ore. to finally see a Boulton)
3. Budget...stick to it.
4. Budget allows, add a foot.
5. If you can, buy it in Ore....they have a nice way of writing up your invoice, so you don't pay tax on a $10,000 outboard. In Wash. you register the hull and trailer, not the motor...but the state will gladly collect tax on the outboard expense.
The tax savings alone, paid for the down riggers, fish finder, and other goodies.
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Post by: C-Money on May 27, 2014, 06:43:50 AM
Post by: h2ofowlr on May 27, 2014, 07:08:30 AM
Post by: LabChamp on May 27, 2014, 07:15:53 AM
Post by: RadSav on May 27, 2014, 07:37:43 AM
If you can at least throw a 60 hp on it you will appreciate it. You will find you cavitat and loose power on corners while pulling a tube with a 50. The salesman needs to get out and test this personally. He may provide better advise vs. just trying to make the sale. You may be disappointed if towing unless just going straight.
I would be surprised if the dealer would exceed the 50hp rating due to liability. Sounds like they have it at mfg upper limit. The 18' will go to 80hp, but not the 16'. I think the weight rating has a lot to do with the narrow beam and rear center of buoyancy.
Post by: lokidog on May 27, 2014, 08:19:22 AM
You get over a foot more beam on the Stryker! And a much beefier side wall. You will notice a big improvement in how it rides in heavy chop. The down side to the Stryker is it still has a small prop limit and the extra weight in the beefier construction can make them handle like a floating slug. But you do get used to it and the extra room is a very welcome addition.
I'm not sure I would call them a "slug". :rolleyes: Living on an island, I have to load all of my construction materials in my boat and I do not like making extra trips. That being said, I have had huge loads (PM me for info) in mine with the 90 hp (it is, I believe, rated to 120) and still managed to get up on plane. At capacity, for weight, it jumps on plane just fine and has no handling issues.
However, a 50hp in the 17' with 600 pounds of people and gear and another 25 gallons of gas might be a different story.
C-money, with two kids, who will undoubtedly get larger, I think you will find the 17 will get tiny quickly. Also, one of those kids may want to bring a friend on a future outing and there you will be stuck with 4 people max for the boat. :twocents:
Post by: RadSav on May 27, 2014, 08:52:12 AM
Post by: lokidog on May 27, 2014, 09:20:18 AM
Both the Strykers are rated at 80hp prop. I think 115 and 135 w/jet.
Tell that to the 90 on my boat..... :chuckle:
It's actually the other way around for power rating, higher prop than jet.
Post by: RadSav on May 27, 2014, 10:14:35 AM
Wife has been telling that for nearly 20 years, but I just figured it was because she's a happy challenged indian woman. :o
Post by: C-Money on May 27, 2014, 10:21:53 AM
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Post by: lokidog on May 27, 2014, 09:37:39 PM
Good luck.
Post by: hollymaster on May 27, 2014, 09:46:52 PM
As soon as you get it home you will have 2 footitis. You will wish you had the 19 footer. Unless you fish alone a lot.
This :yeah:
Post by: C-Money on May 28, 2014, 06:48:10 AM
Post by: RadSav on May 28, 2014, 08:31:11 AM
I would seem that my "dream" boat choice is unpopular with some. That's ok, I enjoy all kinds of feedback. No doubt, 2 more feet would be great. As long as the test drive goes well, I writing a check and going fishing.
I don't think anyone has said it is a bad choice. They are nice boats. I think those posts were more of a warning that as a family boat it does have it's comfort issues and limitations. Best to go into a purchase of that size with your eyes wide open. It could be an expensive learning experience if you didn't.
Hope all goes well and you enjoy it for a lot of years to come :tup:
Post by: lokidog on May 28, 2014, 09:51:50 PM
I would seem that my "dream" boat choice is unpopular with some. That's ok, I enjoy all kinds of feedback. No doubt, 2 more feet would be great. As long as the test drive goes well, I writing a check and going fishing.
I don't think anyone has said it is a bad choice. They are nice boats. I think those posts were more of a warning that as a family boat it does have it's comfort issues and limitations. Best to go into a purchase of that size with your eyes wide open. It could be an expensive learning experience if you didn't.
Hope all goes well and you enjoy it for a lot of years to come :tup:
:yeah:
Post by: Romulus1297 on May 28, 2014, 10:28:23 PM
Post by: lokidog on May 29, 2014, 08:33:47 AM
Just make sure the test drive is in the river and not in their parking lot. :)
As well as the weight equivalent of a full tank of gas, fishing gear, cooler, two adults and two teenagers.... ;)
Post by: C-Money on May 30, 2014, 05:55:34 AM
Post by: Antlershed on May 30, 2014, 07:28:53 AM
Both the Strykers are rated at 80hp prop. I think 115 and 135 w/jet.
Tell that to the 90 on my boat..... :chuckle:
It's actually the other way around for power rating, higher prop than jet.
That's because the 115 power head will only be 80 hp with a pump. You are essentially limited by the weight of the power head.
Post by: full choke on May 30, 2014, 08:36:41 AM
Test drive went great! Went over everything with a fine tooth comb. Dealer filled both gas tanks, glad of that! Brought the boat home. Took wife and kids out, ran great and had power to spare. What a boat! Could not be happier! Was a little windy, but we managed to get on a few fish. My son got his first walleye, a 19". Bass perch and a few walleye, was a great evening.
:tup:
Have fun and enjoy your new boat!
Post by: Buckmark on May 30, 2014, 08:49:46 AM
Test drive went great! Went over everything with a fine tooth comb. Dealer filled both gas tanks, glad of that! Brought the boat home. Took wife and kids out, ran great and had power to spare. What a boat! Could not be happier! Was a little windy, but we managed to get on a few fish. My son got his first walleye, a 19". Bass perch and a few walleye, was a great evening.Those smiles are priceless!!!
Congrats and have lots of fun.... :tup:
Post by: lokidog on May 30, 2014, 09:03:33 AM
Once you burn through that tank of gas, I would suggest keeping just the amount you need with a small cushion in the tank. This will help keep the back of the boat from being quite as heavy as having a full tank. I also keep a 5 gallon can in the bow area which I can use for ballast, moving it from one side to the other as well as helping keep the weight distributed evenly front to back.
Good boating!
Post by: Mfowl on May 30, 2014, 09:11:16 AM
Post by: RadSav on May 30, 2014, 01:23:28 PM
Post by: rasbo on May 30, 2014, 05:27:12 PM
Post by: gasman on May 30, 2014, 08:28:22 PM
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I know the new boat feeling, im still enjoying every weekend on it :rockin: :rockin: :rockin:
Got it hooked up and hitting the sound in the AM after salmon and then crab on Sunday :fishin:
Post by: Romulus1297 on May 31, 2014, 12:03:08 AM
Post by: C-Money on May 31, 2014, 08:46:20 AM
Post by: gasman on May 31, 2014, 11:00:39 AM
It is a blast! Thanks guys! I am very happy with the amount of speed I am getting.....35mph, full throttle and trimmed up with just me in it, It made just over 30 with the family on board. It criuses very nicely with the RPMs backed off and trim adjusted up a tad at 27mph. We put over 30 miles on running around Moses lake yesterday, and burned a little less than a 1/2 tank of gas. That was great advise about the gas tank, I figure I will fill up before we go to the water, to let the gas tank breath when off the water. Gasman, I love the new boat feeling!!! So glad I waited to buy "the boat" and did not cave in and buy an "ok" boat. Hope you do well on the sound. Hope to hear a report.
It was a great morning on the water. No Fish, No bites, but lots of sun and we had a great time :tup:
Tomorrow will be an earlier day, were running to Nisqually for some crabbing :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
My buddy that went with me, is looking to get a newer boat and after spending the time on the water this morning, I think he got bit by the bug :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: C-Money on May 31, 2014, 09:31:36 PM
It is a blast! Thanks guys! I am very happy with the amount of speed I am getting.....35mph, full throttle and trimmed up with just me in it, It made just over 30 with the family on board. It criuses very nicely with the RPMs backed off and trim adjusted up a tad at 27mph. We put over 30 miles on running around Moses lake yesterday, and burned a little less than a 1/2 tank of gas. That was great advise about the gas tank, I figure I will fill up before we go to the water, to let the gas tank breath when off the water. Gasman, I love the new boat feeling!!! So glad I waited to buy "the boat" and did not cave in and buy an "ok" boat. Hope you do well on the sound. Hope to hear a report.
It was a great morning on the water. No Fish, No bites, but lots of sun and we had a great time :tup:
Tomorrow will be an earlier day, were running to Nisqually for some crabbing :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
My buddy that went with me, is looking to get a newer boat and after spending the time on the water this morning, I think he got bit by the bug :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Nice! Good luck tomorrow! Hope to see some crab pics! We nailed the jumbo perch again tonight, and one walleye. Plenty of fast action for the kids!
Post by: lokidog on May 31, 2014, 10:36:05 PM
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on June 01, 2014, 03:42:13 PM
Post by: C-Money on June 01, 2014, 09:24:18 PM
Looks like a superb day Gasman!! Nice catch!!! :tup:
My daughter Got her first keeper walleye tonight, and we nailed another haul of jumbo perch. Lots of fillets for the freezer!
Post by: C-Money on January 05, 2015, 10:06:46 AM