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Title: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: bearpaw on May 29, 2014, 05:59:32 AM
Which options do you agree with to improve and fund increased youth hunting/fishing opportunities?
Please offer any additional ideas and feel free to change your vote if desired.
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing licenses
Post by: Gringo31 on May 29, 2014, 06:28:32 AM
I'm probably not much help here....I think we could continue to encourage our youth to be in the outdoors but I have a real hard time paying one more cent when I see them spend piles of money on things I disagree with.
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing licenses
Post by: danderson on May 29, 2014, 06:39:37 AM
  I think the current system in place as far as licence and tags is fair, if youth purchase the combo option the tags are essentially free, and the special permit application cost is reasonable, in my opinion the best way to recruit and retain youth hunters is provide opportunity, offer more cow tags and youth hunts its not rocket science.
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing licenses
Post by: Bob33 on May 29, 2014, 06:51:28 AM
Youth start hunting with adults. When adults quit hunting youth lose mentors. You can't fix the youth issues in a vacuum.
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing licenses
Post by: arees on May 29, 2014, 06:58:45 AM
  I think the current system in place as far as licence and tags is fair, if youth purchase the combo option the tags are essentially free, and the special permit application cost is reasonable, in my opinion the best way to recruit and retain youth hunters is provide opportunity, offer more cow tags and youth hunts its not rocket science.
:yeah:
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing licenses
Post by: Jingles on May 29, 2014, 07:09:01 AM
This is probably going to Pizz off some people but oh well better to pizzed off than pizzed on
The youth have all the free and reduced fees they need what is needed is for adults accompanying the youth to quit filling the youth tags.  As far as opportunities for youth I haven't seen to many kids that get off the sofa and away from the electronic games that are interested in going hunting.
Time youth found out that life isn't free and Mom and Dad aren't going to pay for everything their entire life full price for basic license but slight reduction for tags special permits full price
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing licenses
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 29, 2014, 07:12:41 AM
I don't think hunting is hurting because of the price of a license and I would oppose changes to youth hunting fees at this time. I will only address hunting, as I believe fishing is doing fine.

I think hunting is hurting because our society has been gradually moving away from it as people become less outdoors-y and depend more on in-home entertainment for their recreation. Unfortunately also, with the prevailing and growing atmosphere of fear regarding firearms, most kids whose parents aren't hunters or shooters won't be joining the sport. I think there are a few things that can be done, but hunting's popularity is waning. Plain statistics.

We definitely should recruit more people to teach hunter education and we should also promote mentoring of youth into shooting and hunting sports. The Master Hunter program is good for both of these and it's possible that we should look into increasing enrollment goals for that program to help boost youth hunting and Hunter educator participation. For those not involved in the MH program, among other emphases, it stresses the importance of mentoring youth and allows the MH to stay current on his conservation volunteering hours by teaching hunter education. This kills two birds -  it increases the number of hunter educators and supports the importance of mentoring. I became a mentor AND and hunter educator after having become a MH and finding out even more that I have a passion to forward our sport. It also educated me and got me involved in the politics of hunting and gun ownership at a level which I had not previously participated. I'm not sure the WDFW is happy about that last part!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing licenses
Post by: ICEMAN on May 29, 2014, 05:30:35 PM
I feel that costs are not the deciding factor causing parents to get their kids out in the field.

If it were me, I would do the following:
* transfer a third of all doe and cow tags to youth hunts statewide, not just a few GMUs.
*increase catch limits for adults and youth,  when a youth is involved in any fishing.
*increase possession limits for adults and youth, when a youth is involved in all bird hunts.
*create a youth doe day and cow day statewide for all GMUs. Adjust permit hunts accordingly.
*provide extra special hunt points for adults who purchase hunting and fishing licenses for youth.
*double youth special hunt points, just for being a youth.

My point is; hunter groups should cheer for joy when a partner brings along a youth hunter or fisherman.

Youth points are short lived in everyones family. Might as well pump up the volume on benefits for todays youth, get them excited about hunting and fishing. Give them stories to tell when they get older...

Flame away.

Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing licenses
Post by: birdstew on May 29, 2014, 06:28:25 PM
There needs to be more hunters willing to take out youth to hunt. Numbers will never increase if hunters are only willing to take just there children. There are lots of children if introduced to hunting would turn into hunters. But they don't come from hunting family's. I did not grow up in WA but have lived here for 8 years. I would say this is the hardest place to try and get someone to share hunting places with.

So next season we should see a new topic: Take a new child hunting Post Pic Here
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing licenses
Post by: kentrek on May 29, 2014, 06:40:14 PM
Get these private timber companies to rework there permit policies to create opportunity for highschool kids to go out an hunt together.....I usually took a hand full of buddies my age out every year but thats came to a screeching halt with the permit issues....

I feel thats a big issue in SW washington for getting new hunters


Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing licenses
Post by: benhuntin on May 29, 2014, 08:08:03 PM
I think the seasons are fine. I think it is odd that everyone is happy just to give the youth antlerless tags and be done with it.  Cost is surely a factor for any parent with more than one or two kids.


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Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing licenses
Post by: huntnphool on May 30, 2014, 05:53:40 AM
Youth start hunting with adults. When adults quit hunting youth lose mentors. You can't fix the youth issues in a vacuum.

 Bingo!!!!

 How many youth start hunting on their own? Very very few, they get started because of their parents/mentor.

 How many of them get constant reminders how poorly WDFW is running things?
 
 How many of them get constant reminders about our ever decreasing and poorly timed seasons?

 How many of them get constant reminders our money is being spent to fund wolf and predator recovery?

 How many of them get constant reminders of out of control Indian harvest?

 How many of them get constant reminders that although you look at mom and dad's trophies on the wall every day, you only get to hunt propeller heads.

 Boy those would really enthuse a kid about hunting and fishing right? :chuckle:

  It's the parents that get the kids involved. Take everything away from the parents and then wonder why the parents don't get the kids involved anymore, boy there's rocket science for ya! :chuckle:

 I could go on and on and on but it doesn't give a kid much enthusiasm to pick up a activity with so many negatives being heard coming out of their parents mouths.

 How many times have I suggested a two point deer category for kids, to target those mature two points our elite APR has generated? All you hear from them is it would be too difficult to educate them and the parents, as if they don't educate people of the difference between black and grizzly bears, or male/female cougars.

 I've suggested a youth ram hunt category on Chelan Butte for a collared ram. The collared rams there are old, past their breeding age and smaller than the younger offspring, they wil never be hunted and die of old age on the Butte. Why not give the kids another category, one that would be a real trophy hunt, rather than a meat hunt?

 The truth is Dale, there really is zero interest bye WDFW to recruit youth into fishing/hunting, their only interest is revenue generation.....period, and they need today's youth for tomorrow's revenue! They finally realized they have cut off their nose to spite their face.
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing licenses
Post by: SCRUBS on May 30, 2014, 06:36:12 AM
Youth start hunting with adults. When adults quit hunting youth lose mentors. You can't fix the youth issues in a vacuum.

 Bingo!!!!

 How many youth start hunting on their own? Very very few, they get started because of their parents/mentor.

 How many of them get constant reminders how poorly WDFW is running things?
 
 How many of them get constant reminders about our ever decreasing and poorly timed seasons?

 How many of them get constant reminders our money is being spent to fund wolf and predator recovery?

 How many of them get constant reminders of out of control Indian harvest?

 How many of them get constant reminders that although you look at mom and dad's trophies on the wall every day, you only get to hunt propeller heads.

 Boy those would really enthuse a kid about hunting and fishing right? :chuckle:

  It's the parents that get the kids involved. Take everything away from the parents and then wonder why the parents don't get the kids involved anymore, boy there's rocket science for ya! :chuckle:

 I could go on and on and on but it doesn't give a kid much enthusiasm to pick up a activity with so many negatives being heard coming out of their parents mouths.

 How many times have I suggested a two point deer category for kids, to target those mature two points our elite APR has generated? All you hear from them is it would be too difficult to educate them and the parents, as if they don't educate people of the difference between black and grizzly bears, or male/female cougars.

 I've suggested a youth ram hunt category on Chelan Butte for a collared ram. The collared rams there are old, past their breeding age and smaller than the younger offspring, they wil never be hunted and die of old age on the Butte. Why not give the kids another category, one that would be a real trophy hunt, rather than a meat hunt?

 The truth is Dale, there really is zero interest bye WDFW to recruit youth into fishing/hunting, their only interest is revenue generation.....period, and they need today's youth for tomorrow's revenue! They finally realized they have cut off their nose to spite their face.

Very well said Phool. :tup:
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing licenses
Post by: Special T on May 30, 2014, 07:23:25 AM
I think that giving kids under 15 possibly 17 a small game Lic.
Some of the benefits are...
1 It wouldn't cost the state much
2 ACTION is required to get kids hooked. There is more action in small game hunting, long stretches in a deer/elk stand don't really help. I know i got hooked on hunting via bird hunting.
3 It would promote Varmint hunting. Coyotes, Coons, Opossum, crows, starlings etc
4 If under 15 they must be accompanied by an adult (if off private land) which means that they will have some kind of mentor.

If the WDFW can do it for fishing, then they could do it for hunting, especially a form that does not affect the bottom line too much but still creates the opportunity.

I think a good question to ask the WDFW is "What is the retention rate for kids who get FREE fishing Lic?"  Some of that data may provide good insight as to what we should push for as hunters. OR question the Dept why they offer free fishing if it doesn't translate in to retention...
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing licenses
Post by: bearpaw on May 30, 2014, 08:10:52 AM
I'm going to try and capture some of these additional ideas in the poll. It might work best if I reset the poll after I get all the additional ideas included. Please keep offering all the additional ideas you can think of and I will add them all to the poll later today or tomorrow.

THANKS!
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing licenses
Post by: ckr on May 30, 2014, 08:25:59 AM
As many have said before, I think the license fees are just fine.  I do think that there should be a few more options for youth hunts.  I don't think kids should get everything, but 3-4 more options, a couple on each side of the state would be nice. 
 :twocents:
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing licenses
Post by: Curly on May 30, 2014, 09:51:43 AM
At a time when wdfw is trying to eliminate varmint hunting contests, wouldn't it be great if they reversed their current position and actually started promoting coyote hunting contests......especially for youths?  There could be coyote hunting teams made up of kids from high schools all over the state and there could be prizes and trophies for teams that win the tournament.   Kids like to belong to groups/teams and what a great way for them to learn teamwork and work on eliminating some yotes.

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Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing licenses
Post by: HillSlick on May 30, 2014, 10:00:59 AM
You can't fix adults but, it would be cool to see more organizations putting together youth hunts in as many seasons as possible,

Much like what Special T said In post #14


Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing licenses
Post by: idaho guy on May 30, 2014, 10:09:24 AM
At a time when wdfw is trying to eliminate varmint hunting contests, wouldn't it be great if they reversed their current position and actually started promoting coyote hunting contests......especially for youths?  There could be coyote hunting teams made up of kids from high schools all over the state and there could be prizes and trophies for teams that win the tournament.   Kids like to belong to groups/teams and what a great way for them to learn teamwork and work on eliminating some yotes.

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The coyote contest would be awesome. Also in researching the youth elk tags sounded like they were kind of a crap shoot especially the ranch hunts. Maybe not more elk permits but better qaulity?
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing licenses
Post by: turbo on May 30, 2014, 12:41:36 PM
I feel that costs are not the deciding factor causing parents to get their kids out in the field.

If it were me, I would do the following:
* transfer a third of all doe and cow tags to youth hunts statewide, not just a few GMUs.
*increase catch limits for adults and youth,  when a youth is involved in any fishing.
*increase possession limits for adults and youth, when a youth is involved in all bird hunts.
*create a youth doe day and cow day statewide for all GMUs. Adjust permit hunts accordingly.
*provide extra special hunt points for adults who purchase hunting and fishing licenses for youth.
*double youth special hunt points, just for being a youth.

My point is; hunter groups should cheer for joy when a partner brings along a youth hunter or fisherman.

Youth points are short lived in everyones family. Might as well pump up the volume on benefits for todays youth, get them excited about hunting and fishing. Give them stories to tell when they get older...

Flame away.

This^^^^^^^^^exactly!!
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: Colville on May 30, 2014, 01:07:51 PM
Sometimes people throw solutions at problems regardless of whether they're indicated or not.

I do not believe poor youth recruitment has anything to do with the availability of special youth seasons, extra doe or cow permits, special point restrictions or youth hunter success rates.  Those tags go to kids who already have enough parental support to get through hunters ed.  If they have that, they likely already have the full desire to hunt and a support system to get them out there hunting. Special tags didn't get them through the class and a lack of special tags aren't going to be the reason they drop out of hunting thereafter.

Young folks don't hunt because of the lack of an adult mentor period.  These other factors exacerbate the problem but without fixing the problem of an adult who will guide them through hunters ed, introduce them to shooting, lend them equipment, lend them time, lend them knowledge of a location, of methods, of personal responsibility and safety, of game handling, of......    At the end of a 30 point set of real problems comes tags, seasons and cost.   Know who is banging that drum? People with kids who do in fact hunt and want good tags for their kids. (I have 3 of them by the way and I"m not asking for any special opportunities for them)

Without a program to get mothers or fathers who aren't hunters, to be willing to take on the task of becoming one and becoming their child's mentor, we go nowhere.  If the WDFW want's to address it by sponsoring a program to initiate the ADULTS who could or would hunt but see that huge prior list as too daunting then it can dent the youth introduction problem.  Kids can't drive themselves hunting. Many parents will never turn their son/daughter over to a non family member away from home, with firearms.   If you can create something that'll let a know-nothing of the outdoors dad sign up for classes, not just on 'hunters ed' but on hunting, you can get his kids in the game.  After that you can try some things to make it easier on those new people.

How about signing up actual hunters to participate in mentoring other parent/child combo's?

The idea that the reason new young people don't try something they know absolutely nothing about is because there aren't enough cow and doe permits is ridiculous.  Kids need adults in their family who will take the time to learn and those adults need other adults who will willingly give them their valuable time and hard earned knowledge.  Hunters ed is a hurdle to youth, but they don't even get interest in the class without the adult whose committed to the process. You can add 100% more hunters ed courses and it will barely bump the overall recruitment rate.

How many hunters on this site are willing to give up 4 days of their October deer season and go recruit a friend of your son or daughter to come with their parent on a hunt trip that you'll essentially guide?  You have to open their eyes to it first. Special tags are invisible to these people because.... TA DA... they don't hunt.


Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: WSU on May 30, 2014, 01:15:34 PM
I voted but will comment also.  I like the idea of increasing opportunity for youth.  Early bird seasons, more special permits, cheaper prices, and doe/cow days all make sense to me.  The more kids we get involved, the better our sport will be.
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: Dhoey07 on May 30, 2014, 02:21:14 PM
I don't think that more cow/doe permits for youth are going to help much of anything.  Are kids going to decide, well I guess I'll try hunting because it will be easier? Easier isn't always better

One thing that I would like to see is a youth only fishing weekend.  The weekend before opening of lakes, rivers, streams, salmon, etc, be open for youth only. 

Another thing that i'd like to see and have e-mailed the state about, is better hunting benifits for seniors.  Lower the age, and price for seniors and actually show some respect to those who have bought licences and tags for 30, 40, 50 years. 
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: bearpaw on May 30, 2014, 02:34:20 PM
Sometimes people throw solutions at problems regardless of whether they're indicated or not.

I do not believe poor youth recruitment has anything to do with the availability of special youth seasons, extra doe or cow permits, special point restrictions or youth hunter success rates.  Those tags go to kids who already have enough parental support to get through hunters ed.  If they have that, they likely already have the full desire to hunt and a support system to get them out there hunting. Special tags didn't get them through the class and a lack of special tags aren't going to be the reason they drop out of hunting thereafter.

Young folks don't hunt because of the lack of an adult mentor period.  These other factors exacerbate the problem but without fixing the problem of an adult who will guide them through hunters ed, introduce them to shooting, lend them equipment, lend them time, lend them knowledge of a location, of methods, of personal responsibility and safety, of game handling, of......    At the end of a 30 point set of real problems comes tags, seasons and cost.   Know who is banging that drum? People with kids who do in fact hunt and want good tags for their kids. (I have 3 of them by the way and I"m not asking for any special opportunities for them)

Without a program to get mothers or fathers who aren't hunters, to be willing to take on the task of becoming one and becoming their child's mentor, we go nowhere.  If the WDFW want's to address it by sponsoring a program to initiate the ADULTS who could or would hunt but see that huge prior list as too daunting then it can dent the youth introduction problem.  Kids can't drive themselves hunting. Many parents will never turn their son/daughter over to a non family member away from home, with firearms.   If you can create something that'll let a know-nothing of the outdoors dad sign up for classes, not just on 'hunters ed' but on hunting, you can get his kids in the game.  After that you can try some things to make it easier on those new people.

How about signing up actual hunters to participate in mentoring other parent/child combo's?

The idea that the reason new young people don't try something they know absolutely nothing about is because there aren't enough cow and doe permits is ridiculous.  Kids need adults in their family who will take the time to learn and those adults need other adults who will willingly give them their valuable time and hard earned knowledge.  Hunters ed is a hurdle to youth, but they don't even get interest in the class without the adult whose committed to the process. You can add 100% more hunters ed courses and it will barely bump the overall recruitment rate.

How many hunters on this site are willing to give up 4 days of their October deer season and go recruit a friend of your son or daughter to come with their parent on a hunt trip that you'll essentially guide?  You have to open their eyes to it first. Special tags are invisible to these people because.... TA DA... they don't hunt.

I've had many parents bring their kids on guided hunts because they did not know anything about hunting and their child wanted to try hunting. In recent years I've had an increasing number of women hunters also who wanted to hunt. I often hear how much trouble people have getting into hunter-ed so they can go hunting.

For the last year or so about the only thing we've done with "Washington For Wildlife" is to support the Colville Fish Hatchery program which is turning into a great program that has received state, national, and international recognition. Perhaps this "Youth Mentor" idea and maybe even "Hunter-Ed" are other worthwhile ideas that we could promote via WFW and through this forum.

THOUGHTS?
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: snowpack on May 30, 2014, 03:07:31 PM
I would think for youth, to expand opportunity would be an option for a different season.  One that runs around the holidays (some areas include those dates for youth/second deer).  But a large number of kids these days are occupied by school extra-curricular activities (sports being a big one since it occupies weekends too).  High school football goes as late as the last week in November---pretty much covers most of the fall hunts.  After that lots of the kids are trying to get ready for testing before the holiday break.  Then they get the holidays off around Christmas and New Year's to go do stuff, but what's still open?  Grouse and a few other birds, maybe a few late archery deer units here and there and some special permits, cougar but without hounds  :'(.  That holiday period used to be a big time steelhead event---family came in from around the state, people off work/kids out of school, fish coming in the river.  Now since steelhead are being phased out, maybe have some youth deer seasons around that time frame.  The kid can go hunting with the dad and uncles.
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: bobcat on May 30, 2014, 03:46:41 PM
Snowpack- that's the best idea I've heard yet. An additional deer season for kids only during the same time they're out of school for winter break makes great sense! It couldn't be every unit, and some may need to be doe only, and some buck only. And possibly some units by permit only. We wouldn't want the migratory mule deer herds being hunted at that time of year, but blacktails and whitetails could take the additional pressure, and for mule deer I could see it being primarily private lands for a late hunt like that.

My kids aren't quite old enough to hunt yet but I can already see I will have a very hard time getting them out hunting much, especially if I don't buy a Weyerhaeuser access permit. I would then take them hunting in eastern Washington on public lands, and with them being in school, and only a nine day season, the most I could get them out would be 4 days per year.
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: Colville on May 30, 2014, 05:07:08 PM
Bearpaw,

I agree. To the degree HE is a bottleneck add $5 to my tags to get more instructors and dates.

After that I try to invite new people and have many many times in my life.  I'm not in a position to to it as an organization but I think having a group get together to offer to mentor parent/kid combos on how to get started, everything from shooting to where to hunt. I think that would be more productive at getting new lasting family traditions started than adding tags and seasons and I think there are existing hunting orgs that might be willing to assist if the WDFW sees this as too far outside of their purpose.
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: Bob33 on May 30, 2014, 05:24:07 PM
Bearpaw,

I agree. To the degree HE is a bottleneck add $5 to my tags to get more instructors and dates.

After that I try to invite new people and have many many times in my life.  I'm not in a position to to it as an organization but I think having a group get together to offer to mentor parent/kid combos on how to get started, everything from shooting to where to hunt. I think that would be more productive at getting new lasting family traditions started than adding tags and seasons and I think there are existing hunting orgs that might be willing to assist if the WDFW sees this as too far outside of their purpose.
Money does nothing to increase instructors. They are all unpaid volunteers.
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: bearpaw on May 30, 2014, 08:17:31 PM
Bearpaw,

I agree. To the degree HE is a bottleneck add $5 to my tags to get more instructors and dates.

After that I try to invite new people and have many many times in my life.  I'm not in a position to to it as an organization but I think having a group get together to offer to mentor parent/kid combos on how to get started, everything from shooting to where to hunt. I think that would be more productive at getting new lasting family traditions started than adding tags and seasons and I think there are existing hunting orgs that might be willing to assist if the WDFW sees this as too far outside of their purpose.
Money does nothing to increase instructors. They are all unpaid volunteers.

If we want to lobby effectively for increasing availability of hunter ed then we should suggest methods to increase the number of instructors.  ANY IDEAS?
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: bigtex on May 30, 2014, 10:28:09 PM
As many hunter ed instructors have stated, a large amount of their graduates never even go hunting, and I am sure there's a good percentage of those that do hunt only do it for a few years. I don't see where drastically increasing the number of classes will drastically increase youth participation.

Simple question and answer:

How do we get youth more involved in hunting and fishing???????????? Go back in time and prevent the invention of cell phones, video games, computers, and cable TV!
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: Bob33 on May 30, 2014, 10:36:30 PM
As many hunter ed instructors have stated, a large amount of their graduates never even go hunting, and I am sure there's a good percentage of those that do hunt only do it for a few years. I don't see where drastically increasing the number of classes will drastically increase youth participation.

Simple question and answer:

How do we get youth more involved in hunting and fishing???????????? Go back in time and prevent the invention of cell phones, video games, computers, and cable TV!
While certainly not the whole answer, more instructors will result in more classes which will result in more hunters.
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: bigtex on May 30, 2014, 10:44:06 PM
As many hunter ed instructors have stated, a large amount of their graduates never even go hunting, and I am sure there's a good percentage of those that do hunt only do it for a few years. I don't see where drastically increasing the number of classes will drastically increase youth participation.

Simple question and answer:

How do we get youth more involved in hunting and fishing???????????? Go back in time and prevent the invention of cell phones, video games, computers, and cable TV!
While certainly not the whole answer, more instructors will result in more classes which will result in more hunters.
Obviously.

But still, it's not as if a simple increase in classes/instructors will cause a significant increase in hunters to the point where we will be saying "holy cow there's a lot of youngster's out here."

Young people are less likely to be involved in the outdoor these days, doesn't matter if it's hunting or fishing or simply just going hiking, camping, or spending a day at the park. You can provide as much opportunities as you want, but you can't change people's mindset of staying inside vs going outdoors.
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: bearpaw on May 30, 2014, 10:53:10 PM
As many hunter ed instructors have stated, a large amount of their graduates never even go hunting, and I am sure there's a good percentage of those that do hunt only do it for a few years. I don't see where drastically increasing the number of classes will drastically increase youth participation.

Simple question and answer:

How do we get youth more involved in hunting and fishing???????????? Go back in time and prevent the invention of cell phones, video games, computers, and cable TV!

Like it or not, I hear all the time from parents who can't get their kids and even some adults who can't get into a class. The math is pretty simple for me, increase the number of classes by 20% each year until we start having unfilled classes and we'll increase the number of new hunter-ed grads by 20% each year. If half of them purchase a hunting license then we increase the number of new hunters by 10% each year that we increase the new grads by 20%.  :twocents:

Of course no one issue will automatically fix everything. We need to look at a multi faceted approach to increase new hunter numbers through a variety of methods. I like the idea of making hunting opportunities more available to our youth through a variety of new approaches. I would like to see this conversation continue until we come up with 5 to 10 methods most can agree with to increase the recruitment of new and youth hunters.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: bearpaw on May 30, 2014, 10:55:18 PM
To get anywhere we must have positive attitudes about making changes, negative attitudes will not get us anywhere.
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: Bob33 on May 30, 2014, 11:16:05 PM
The causes of decline in hunter numbers are many. There is no simple solution. There are many steps that taken together can result in improvement.

Hunter Education is the first step for many, and provides an opportunity to educate new hunters on how to safely, legally and ethically behave. It's an opportunity to help set realistic expectations, and to give guidance that can increase success and overall satisfaction. It's important that we have enough dedicated, qualified, and enthusiastic instructors to meet demand and give new hunters a solid start.

Mentors are essential. Reasonable hunting opportunity are very important.

None of these can be ignored in addressing the issues.
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: HillSlick on June 01, 2014, 05:41:45 PM

I feel that costs are not the deciding factor causing parents to get their kids out in the field.

If it were me, I would do the following:
* transfer a third of all doe and cow tags to youth hunts statewide, not just a few GMUs.
*increase catch limits for adults and youth,  when a youth is involved in any fishing.
*increase possession limits for adults and youth, when a youth is involved in all bird hunts.
*create a youth doe day and cow day statewide for all GMUs. Adjust permit hunts accordingly.
*provide extra special hunt points for adults who purchase hunting and fishing licenses for youth.
*double youth special hunt points, just for being a youth.

My point is; hunter groups should cheer for joy when a partner brings along a youth hunter or fisherman.

Youth points are short lived in everyones family. Might as well pump up the volume on benefits for todays youth, get them excited about hunting and fishing. Give them stories to tell when they get older...

Flame away.

This is a good idea right here ^^^


Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: Rooster1981 on June 01, 2014, 07:47:34 PM

I definitely like the idea of a hunting mentor program.  Not only would it help get kids into the woods and off the couch, it would create awareness. Knowledge is power, and educating the next generation is vital to the survival of hunting.
   I also really like the idea of expanding youth opportunity, special permits and or private youth seasons.
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: jyerxa on June 01, 2014, 08:02:01 PM
Sorry it took me so long to respond to this. But I really can't say. I took my son out hunting for a week back when he was in Jr High. I don't remember what exact grade he was in they ran 7th, 8th, 9th I think. He was then and still maintained until graduation straight A's. Let me tell you, I got really tired of forking out $50 bucks every report card.  ;) Actually I loved it of course. But after that one week in the woods he really loved it and was hooked. Flying high as a kite. I thought I had him hooked for life.  8) But the next season when I started making plans I asked him if he was ready to go again. I was just pumped. And he said "NO"!  :yike: My heart just sank. It was because his grades meant more to him and he really struggled to get back up to speed the last year. My heart was crushed. But I pulled my head out of my A%& and I relented to his request. That was the end of my good hunt's I was a single dad. All these years later I feel good about that still even though my back won't let me go any more. My kid's have always been NUMBER 1 in my life. So. I am ignorant as how thing's are today. I took it back around 1970 or 71 at a Moose Lodge.

But I think it should be as easy as it was for me when I was a kid. And that's my story and I'm sticking to it.  :tup:
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: idaho guy on June 02, 2014, 11:14:45 AM
Do they offer hunter ed in school. The elementary school where my kids go offer it as and extra class. Might be doing that already but that makes it really easy for the parents and kids to do it.
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: Colville on June 02, 2014, 11:43:17 AM
I'm not sure if they'd be willing to put together any kind of formal partnership with a mentor/hunting program but there's a very logical group of youth to try to work with.

Boys and Girls Scouting.  They likely enjoy the outdoors, their parents are willing to get them engaged in activities.  Both orgs already have firearm safety/shooting achievements to earn.  They seem like a natural pool of kids who might have an interest in hunting and parents who'll get behind their activities.
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: bearpaw on June 02, 2014, 11:46:03 AM
Do they offer hunter ed in school. The elementary school where my kids go offer it as and extra class. Might be doing that already but that makes it really easy for the parents and kids to do it.

I don't know of any schools in Washington that allow hunter-ed in school. I would like to know more about the availability of hunter-ed in Idaho schools?
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: Dhoey07 on June 02, 2014, 11:51:00 AM
When my old man was in high school back in the 70's, he took a class that they were taught how to tie guides on a fishing pole, they got to shoot 22's and a local range and do other outdoor/wildlife activities.  He said it was from a grant or something.  How cool would that be to be able to take a class like that in middle school or high school?  Maybe if we teach kids in school about wildlife, about fish, about the differences between conservation and preservation, they might have a little more interest in getting out in the woods and on the water.  Let them know that hunting and fishing is a good thing.  Let them know that guns aren't bad, and that eating wild game and fish can be healthy.  Teach them in Home Ec about preparing fish and wild game, and help them connect their food from the field to the table.  Offer it as an elective and not a standard class  :twocents:

Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: PolarBear on June 02, 2014, 12:00:35 PM
I don't know if this has been addressed yet (haven't read all the posts) but what is frustrating my 14 year old daughter the most about hunting in this state is the increasing loss of land to hunt and the sheer numbers of hunters that are pushed into the few lands that are open.  If nothing is done there will be nowhere for our kids to hunt.  I would like to see Weyco open all their lands to more youth only hunts and waive the trespass fee for them.  My guess is that if a kid has access to good hunting land that and are successful they will be more likely to purchase permits for that area when they are adults.  It is getting harder and harder to get kids involved in hunting and lack of opportunities for them is going to eventually kill the sport.   :twocents:
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: WSU on June 02, 2014, 12:04:56 PM
Also, allowing youths to use their parents tag (like Oregon) would be good. 
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: kentrek on June 02, 2014, 12:06:26 PM
I don't know if this has been addressed yet (haven't read all the posts) but what is frustrating my 14 year old daughter the most about hunting in this state is the increasing loss of land to hunt and the sheer numbers of hunters that are pushed into the few lands that are open.  If nothing is done there will be nowhere for our kids to hunt.  I would like to see Weyco open all their lands to more youth only hunts and waive the trespass fee for them.  My guess is that if a kid has access to good hunting land that and are successful they will be more likely to purchase permits for that area when they are adults.  It is getting harder and harder to get kids involved in hunting and lack of opportunities for them is going to eventually kill the sport.   :twocents:

 :yeah:
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: bearpaw on June 02, 2014, 01:10:14 PM
106 members have already voted. Poll is now updated with added options.

If you would like to change your votes, click on the button to "Remove Vote" then vote again for all choices that you like.
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: Dhoey07 on June 02, 2014, 01:25:03 PM
I think that we might be getting somewhere.  I just redid my votes, the first time i voted for 3 options, this time i voted for 10  :tup:
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: fireweed on June 02, 2014, 01:38:55 PM
For fishing, I would like to see rules relaxed for youth.
True story: WDFW took 50 some city kids to Coldwater Lake to fish.  Single, barbless, hooks no bait for kids that have never fished before.  The Newspaper was there to do a story.  Total fish caught= ZERO. This probably did more harm than good.  Kids thinking Boring who wants to fish, sit all day, catch nothing.  But if kids could have used bait or barbed hooks.....
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: idaho guy on June 02, 2014, 03:23:35 PM
Do they offer hunter ed in school. The elementary school where my kids go offer it as and extra class. Might be doing that already but that makes it really easy for the parents and kids to do it.

I don't know of any schools in Washington that allow hunter-ed in school. I would like to know more about the availability of hunter-ed in Idaho schools?


They offer it as a class (I think after school) but I wish I had more information my son took the online hunter ed when he was 8 so he could hunt in washington since Idaho big game was limited to 12 year olds at the time. The school sends home a flyer with the kids and then you can sign them up. I didnt notice that they sent it out till he was 10 which makes sense because that was the first year he could hunt small game and would need hunters ed in Idaho. My daughter who is 9 will take the course through the school next year so I will know better how it all works. We had to look for online hunter ed and were motivated to do it but whats great about the school is they are letting all the kids parents know its available and its a pretty easy deal to get kids involved. Even if the parents arent avid hunters be a good way to offer a class to their kids which is easy for the parents to do.     
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: cue772 on June 02, 2014, 04:58:39 PM
Never had a special program growing up. The first thing that needs to happen is set Olympia on fire and watch em burn..public enemy no 1 is the gov. The mentality of the modern hunter needs some work as well. We tolerate too much crap. Mentor programs sound like a great idea. A lot of kids out there who would love to hunt, just no one to teach them.


Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: bearpaw on June 03, 2014, 09:11:53 AM
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Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: bearpaw on June 05, 2014, 10:06:45 AM
:bumpin:  for more comments and votes....
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: Bordercop on June 05, 2014, 11:27:04 AM
Hunting camp for kids. I know a lot of parents want to be involved in this part of their children's life. This would be a way if the parents didn't have the time or their skills were limited. A camp that would give the kids hands on experience is something to start. I just remember when I was a kid the camps I went on that related to hunting and outdoors really gave me great memories and got me very interested in the outdoors. As far as how to do it, I am not one to say. I just hope someone can take my idea and do something with it, like you Bearpaw.
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: RB on June 05, 2014, 11:58:42 AM
Poll states only 116 have voted so far I believe there are quite a few more than that on this site  :) With that I voted with what appears to be the most voted for, more instructors/classes and extending the "youth" age to 17. The age increase would allow more flexibility I believe because it will give more time to mentor. Every kid is different some don't mature enough until later in life (13-15yrs old) to be responsible even with adult supervision. At 18 in the eyes of the military you are adult enough to be a part of them, so that is when full price license and tags should start.   :twocents:
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: bearpaw on June 05, 2014, 12:14:22 PM
Hunting camp for kids. I know a lot of parents want to be involved in this part of their children's life. This would be a way if the parents didn't have the time or their skills were limited. A camp that would give the kids hands on experience is something to start. I just remember when I was a kid the camps I went on that related to hunting and outdoors really gave me great memories and got me very interested in the outdoors. As far as how to do it, I am not one to say. I just hope someone can take my idea and do something with it, like you Bearpaw.

I've had a domain reserved for a hunting school for a few years, but that will be a private business venture in association with my outfitting business.

I had a meeting a couple days ago and we discussed the idea of Hunting-Ed (learning basics about hunting) for youth or first time hunters who have graduated Hunter-Ed (firearm training) but have no mentor to learn from. I'm totally on board with that idea. I think we need to provide an opportunity for new hunters who have no mentor to gain basic hunting knowledge to help get them started at hunting. This idea fits in with what Bob33 eluded in a post about needing to do numerous things to get youth involved in hunting. The big questions I see to get a Hunting-Ed program started:

How to get WDFW aboard?
How to design the program?
How to acquire instructors?
Where to do it?
How to pay for it?

Anybody have any thoughts?
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: bearpaw on June 06, 2014, 04:02:18 PM
I have a small group of individuals who want to help put together a recommendation to WDFW for "Improving Youth and New Hunter Recruitment". If you would like to participate in this email exchange please send me your email address and I will include you. Thanks, Dale
Title: Re: Poll: Your thoughts on youth hunting/fishing opportunities
Post by: bearpaw on June 10, 2014, 11:40:54 PM
You guys and some others providing info by email really helped me put together a comprehensive list of ideas. The ideas were well received by the task force members with several members commenting favorably about the comprehensive list. I attached a pdf of what I submitted, this will give the Dept. some good ideas to consider. Thanks again to everyone for your input.  :hello:

Many Thanks,
Dale
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