Post by: HawkCreek on May 31, 2014, 08:56:30 AM
Shoot and leave? Coyote Bait? What should I do with it (I'm not eating a rat)?
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Post by: 762Armo on May 31, 2014, 09:36:42 AM
Post by: huntnphool on May 31, 2014, 09:47:32 AM
Post by: HawkCreek on May 31, 2014, 10:13:59 AM
Huntnphool, is there anything I can do to "spoke" the critter so that it will give me a better look? I don't want to shoot a beaver and get all tangled up with the game department. I watched it for several minutes yesterday evening and never did get a good look at it's tail.
The body of water it was in is real close to the irrigation canal but the only "trees" within miles of that place are one scraggly hawthorn and one piece of crap cottonwood. I'll be out to look them over for damage but I don't know where a beaver would have come from in these parts.
Post by: huntingcl on May 31, 2014, 10:23:26 AM
Post by: huntnphool on May 31, 2014, 10:23:45 AM
As I already stated, I'm not eating a rat.
Huntnphool, is there anything I can do to "spoke" the critter so that it will give me a better look? I don't want to shoot a beaver and get all tangled up with the game department. I watched it for several minutes yesterday evening and never did get a good look at it's tail.
The body of water it was in is real close to the irrigation canal but the only "trees" within miles of that place are one scraggly hawthorn and one piece of crap cottonwood. I'll be out to look them over for damage but I don't know where a beaver would have come from in these parts.
Trail cam maybe? :dunno: http://www.portlandoregon.gov/bes/article/348260 (http://www.portlandoregon.gov/bes/article/348260)
Post by: TONTO on May 31, 2014, 10:59:01 AM
Post by: steeleywhopper on May 31, 2014, 11:02:54 AM
Post by: 3nails on May 31, 2014, 11:07:45 AM
Post by: bigtex on May 31, 2014, 11:28:31 AM
Shoot and leave? Coyote Bait? What should I do with it (I'm not eating a rat)?You say you don't want to shoot a beaver and then get in trouble with WDFW, yet you ask if you should just "shoot and leave" it? Shooting and leaving ANYTHING will end up with wastage of wildlife charges.
Post by: HawkCreek on May 31, 2014, 11:35:28 AM
Shoot and leave? Coyote Bait? What should I do with it (I'm not eating a rat)?You say you don't want to shoot a beaver and then get in trouble with WDFW, yet you ask if you should just "shoot and leave" it? Shooting and leaving ANYTHING will end up with wastage of wildlife charges.
I said I don't want to shoot a beaver. Meaning I will have positive ID before I kill something since the state views a native animal like beaver differently than an invasive animal like the nutria.
A nutria is a pest and I would leave. Kinda like coyotes, they are a pest and harass/harm livestock, they are shot on sight but nobody around here has a use for them. Washington State says nutria are no bueno, so ya I'll kill it and leave it.
Post by: bigtex on May 31, 2014, 11:38:48 AM
I know what you said. You missed my point.Shoot and leave? Coyote Bait? What should I do with it (I'm not eating a rat)?You say you don't want to shoot a beaver and then get in trouble with WDFW, yet you ask if you should just "shoot and leave" it? Shooting and leaving ANYTHING will end up with wastage of wildlife charges.
I said I don't want to shoot a beaver. Meaning I will have positive ID before I kill something since the state views a native animal like beaver differently than an invasive animal like the nutria.
A nutria is a pest and I would leave. Kinda like coyotes, they are a pest and harass/harm livestock, they are shot on sight but nobody around here has a use for them. Washington State says nutria are no bueno, so ya I'll kill it and leave it.
Killing it and leaving it will end up with charges from WDFW. It is against the law to shoot and leave anything, doesn't matter if it's a deer or a coyote. Nothing like admitting to a wildlife law violation on a hunting website.
Post by: HawkCreek on May 31, 2014, 11:44:55 AM
More than a few threads around here about leaving coyotes and what not lay.
Post by: ghosthunter on May 31, 2014, 12:38:35 PM
I know what you said. You missed my point.Shoot and leave? Coyote Bait? What should I do with it (I'm not eating a rat)?You say you don't want to shoot a beaver and then get in trouble with WDFW, yet you ask if you should just "shoot and leave" it? Shooting and leaving ANYTHING will end up with wastage of wildlife charges.
I said I don't want to shoot a beaver. Meaning I will have positive ID before I kill something since the state views a native animal like beaver differently than an invasive animal like the nutria.
A nutria is a pest and I would leave. Kinda like coyotes, they are a pest and harass/harm livestock, they are shot on sight but nobody around here has a use for them. Washington State says nutria are no bueno, so ya I'll kill it and leave it.
Killing it and leaving it will end up with charges from WDFW. It is against the law to shoot and leave anything, doesn't matter if it's a deer or a coyote. Nothing like admitting to a wildlife law violation on a hunting website.
I do not think so Bigtex. Show us that law please.
Page 79 Big Game regs, Item #2
"You may not allow game animals or game birds you have taken to recklessly be wasted."
Nutria are not classified as game animals.
Post by: ghosthunter on May 31, 2014, 12:51:35 PM
Trapping and Lethal Control
Nutria are easily captured in single door three or four foot long live traps (Fig. 10). Bait live traps with sweet potatoes or carrots and place them along active trails or wherever nutria or their sign are seen. A small amount of bait leading to the entrance of the live trap will increase capture success.
Due to its classification as a Prohibited Aquatic Animal Species (see “Legal Status”), all live-trapped nutria should be euthanized and not returned to the wild.
When cornered or captured, nutria are aggressive and can inflict serious injury to pets and humans. Extreme care should be taken when handling captured nutria.
Trapping may not be legal in some urban areas; check with local authorities. See Trapping Wildlife for additional information, including euthanization.
Since nutria are usually found in waterways, there is often an unlimited supply of replacement animals upstream and downstream from where the damage is occurring. Rapid immigration coupled with a high reproductive rate makes ongoing lethal control a “high-effort” method of damage control that is often ineffective. (Lethal control can be effective in areas where the local population of nutria is still small.) The methods described and referenced in “Preventing Conflicts” are the best long-term solution.
Shooting has been an effective in eliminating small isolated groups of nutria. For safety considerations, shooting is generally limited to rural situations and is considered too hazardous in more populated areas, even if legal. No fumigants are currently registered for nutria control.
Public Health Concerns
Post by: ghosthunter on May 31, 2014, 12:52:42 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/nutria.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/nutria.html)
Post by: ghosthunter on May 31, 2014, 01:05:49 PM
Wastage Laws seem to apply to those animal used as table fare.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/help/questions/83/What+is+the+definition+of+%22wastage%2C%22+and+when+does+it+apply%3F (http://wdfw.wa.gov/help/questions/83/What+is+the+definition+of+%22wastage%2C%22+and+when+does+it+apply%3F)
Post by: ghosthunter on May 31, 2014, 01:10:53 PM
http://boingboing.net/2013/04/29/meat-from-a-20-kb-swamp-rat-t.html (http://boingboing.net/2013/04/29/meat-from-a-20-kb-swamp-rat-t.html)
Post by: Halo on May 31, 2014, 01:22:53 PM
Would you be happier if I hung it on a fence? PM me an address and I'll mail it to whoever wants it :chuckle:I don't have to leave the coyotes lay around here any more, I just call Sakoshooter and he comes and butchers them up. :chuckle: If he doesn't answer my PM though I'm leaving it lay unless it's close enough to the house to stink up the place, then I'll leave it lay out back. :chuckle:
More than a few threads around here about leaving coyotes and what not lay.
Post by: ghosthunter on May 31, 2014, 07:46:09 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cD_dY-bIV5k (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cD_dY-bIV5k)
Post by: Houndhunter on May 31, 2014, 08:16:19 PM
I am so sorry I just Cannot help myself :sry:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cD_dY-bIV5k (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cD_dY-bIV5k)
I couldnt stop watching that for some reason :chuckle:
And ya, you aint gonna get in trouble for shooting and leaving a nutria
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on June 01, 2014, 10:48:51 PM
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on June 01, 2014, 10:50:19 PM
You'd eat a Beaver? I saw a show years ago that showed the 10 smelliest animals, and Beavers were at the top of the list.:chuckle:
Post by: washelkhunter on June 01, 2014, 10:53:32 PM
You'd eat a Beaver? I saw a show years ago that showed the 10 smelliest animals, and Beavers were at the top of the list.:chuckle:
Once you get past the smell you got it licked.
Post by: bearpaw on June 02, 2014, 01:04:13 AM
I know what you said. You missed my point.Shoot and leave? Coyote Bait? What should I do with it (I'm not eating a rat)?You say you don't want to shoot a beaver and then get in trouble with WDFW, yet you ask if you should just "shoot and leave" it? Shooting and leaving ANYTHING will end up with wastage of wildlife charges.
I said I don't want to shoot a beaver. Meaning I will have positive ID before I kill something since the state views a native animal like beaver differently than an invasive animal like the nutria.
A nutria is a pest and I would leave. Kinda like coyotes, they are a pest and harass/harm livestock, they are shot on sight but nobody around here has a use for them. Washington State says nutria are no bueno, so ya I'll kill it and leave it.
Killing it and leaving it will end up with charges from WDFW. It is against the law to shoot and leave anything, doesn't matter if it's a deer or a coyote. Nothing like admitting to a wildlife law violation on a hunting website.
I do not think so Bigtex. Show us that law please.
Page 79 Big Game regs, Item #2
"You may not allow game animals or game birds you have taken to recklessly be wasted."
Nutria are not classified as game animals.
I'm curious about this too, what law says you must recover a coyote, ground squirrel, gopher, or other non-game pest?
Post by: runamuk on June 02, 2014, 01:20:42 AM
nutria are an invasive species brought into the country as livestock they came here as a great protein source seems beef industry didnt like the competition :)...that ought to change it up a little.I know what you said. You missed my point.Shoot and leave? Coyote Bait? What should I do with it (I'm not eating a rat)?You say you don't want to shoot a beaver and then get in trouble with WDFW, yet you ask if you should just "shoot and leave" it? Shooting and leaving ANYTHING will end up with wastage of wildlife charges.
I said I don't want to shoot a beaver. Meaning I will have positive ID before I kill something since the state views a native animal like beaver differently than an invasive animal like the nutria.
A nutria is a pest and I would leave. Kinda like coyotes, they are a pest and harass/harm livestock, they are shot on sight but nobody around here has a use for them. Washington State says nutria are no bueno, so ya I'll kill it and leave it.
Killing it and leaving it will end up with charges from WDFW. It is against the law to shoot and leave anything, doesn't matter if it's a deer or a coyote. Nothing like admitting to a wildlife law violation on a hunting website.
I do not think so Bigtex. Show us that law please.
Page 79 Big Game regs, Item #2
"You may not allow game animals or game birds you have taken to recklessly be wasted."
Nutria are not classified as game animals.
I'm curious about this too, what law says you must recover a coyote, ground squirrel, gopher, or other non-game pest?
that said do people need to eat rockchucks or skin them or?? how about them sage rat thingies?? norway rats, brown rats, field mice etc? vermin usually do not fall under game animal wastage guidelines unless one is going by the lack of a law which means wdfw now has some new laws to quickly get on the books.....
Post by: Curly on June 07, 2014, 09:25:41 PM
I am amazed that officers would cite for wasting a yote, or nutria. Sounds like the law needs changed. I try really hard to never do anything illegal, and this law means that I can't shoot coyotes.....cuz I don't have anyone to give them to and I don't want to bring them home. Crazy stuff.
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Post by: Dbax129 on June 07, 2014, 09:47:24 PM
Post by: Windwalker on June 15, 2014, 07:58:01 PM
Can find them in irrigation ditches all over Oregon. Some up here from what I understand but not privy to where the concentrated populations are.
Have a friend with Patterdale Terrier's that travels all over and has a ball hunting them. Was a mainstay for critter hunting when I was a kid. Farmers wanted them gone and they were thick as fleas. great fun. Had a few fur farms turn out their pens when the fur prices collapsed many years ago and the population skyrocketed.
Coolest slippers I saw were a set made out of a tanned nutria hide. Not sure if they are good for much else and no I haven't eaten one...
"Save a tree eat a beaver" is my motto :chuckle:
Post by: ghosthunter on June 15, 2014, 08:39:39 PM
Post by: runamuk on June 15, 2014, 08:50:20 PM
So where are these things found in high concentrations? Sounds like a good critter to practice skinning/tanning with. That was their real original purpose anyway right?some of the densly populated lakes have had issues in recent years they are vicious little things and attack pets and people at times...look at lakes in king county and pierce county, I have seen them in thurston and grays harbor counties as well...
Post by: PatoLoco on June 15, 2014, 09:34:04 PM
Binoculars help. And Google image searches
Post by: Hermit on September 29, 2014, 04:43:57 PM
Post by: JJB11B on September 29, 2014, 04:45:25 PM