Post by: deerhunter_98520 on June 01, 2014, 09:49:08 PM
I just stumbled onto this site and all I have to say is :yike:
http://www.silvertine.ca/2012-super-bulls.html (http://www.silvertine.ca/2012-super-bulls.html)
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http://www.silvertine.ca/597-bull-elk.html (http://www.silvertine.ca/597-bull-elk.html)
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on June 02, 2014, 10:35:53 AM
Special Note: We will provide you with pedigree papers showing the bloodlines of the elk you harvested to show it is a Roosevelt elk, with the percentage of breeding promised. But due to the fact that they are not pure breed, entry into the SCI book is limited to "Estate Elk" as the SCI Record Books does not have a seperate classification. Trophy Roosevelt will start at 375 SCI because they have that much more impressive tops, and in our eyes that what makes an impressive trophy Roosevelt .
Post by: Maverick on June 02, 2014, 11:44:16 AM
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Post by: deerhunter_98520 on June 02, 2014, 11:47:21 AM
Not pure bred? What the hell are they mixed with?
Elephant maybe? :chuckle:
Post by: WSU on June 02, 2014, 11:48:17 AM
Ear tags and fences. Bet I could get a 1200 lb Angus steer for a fraction of the cost. Much as I like elk meat, I would still take a grass fed steer.
I'll let you shoot my Hereford for a quarter that cost. I'll even put an elk rack on it.
Post by: bobcat on June 02, 2014, 11:55:05 AM
Ear tags and fences. Bet I could get a 1200 lb Angus steer for a fraction of the cost. Much as I like elk meat, I would still take a grass fed steer.
I'll let you shoot my Hereford for a quarter that cost. I'll even put an elk rack on it.
:chuckle:
Post by: Maverick on June 02, 2014, 12:17:08 PM
Post by: h20hunter on June 02, 2014, 12:40:14 PM
I'll be hunting my trophy with a whiskey sour and a cuban in my hand. Afterwards, I'll be posting up a long thread about my hunt and asking the taxi to leave the ear tag in!
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Post by: bobcat on June 02, 2014, 12:51:59 PM
What do you mean by "this?" This thread? Or the "hunts" for domesticated trophy elk?
Post by: WSU on June 02, 2014, 12:59:15 PM
Booked!
I'll be hunting my trophy with a whiskey sour and a cuban in my hand. Afterwards, I'll be posting up a long thread about my hunt and asking the taxi to leave the ear tag in!
To be clear, are you booking my Hereford hunt I offered above or the penned elk hunt? This particular Hereford has an attitude and is "intact". You could tell your buddies you killed 1500 lbs "bull" and show them the "elk rack" you retrieved from the meanest "bull" you ever hunted. All from the relative safety of my patio (lunch is included in the price).
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 02, 2014, 01:34:26 PM
Post by: h20hunter on June 02, 2014, 01:40:52 PM
Booked!
I'll be hunting my trophy with a whiskey sour and a cuban in my hand. Afterwards, I'll be posting up a long thread about my hunt and asking the taxi to leave the ear tag in!
To be clear, are you booking my Hereford hunt I offered above or the penned elk hunt? This particular Hereford has an attitude and is "intact". You could tell your buddies you killed 1500 lbs "bull" and show them the "elk rack" you retrieved from the meanest "bull" you ever hunted. All from the relative safety of my patio (lunch is included in the price).
Well I had planned on bowhunting for elk. I figured we could really set up a neat calling area and get the cameras rolling. I'd look into the camera, covered in war paint of course, whisper about my calling, give the hoochie mama a toot, then make a perfect broadside shot at 12 yards as the bull stepped out from behind the fence.....bushes I mean. Then fist pump, walk out fo the blind and begin tracking.
However, with lunch thrown in I may have to reconsider.
Back on topic though even though I don't see this as hunting there is a need or the business would not be sustained. I don't care if 100 wealthy hunters shoot a monster if the fences give at least one hunter that is disabled, at the end of their days either in their later years or their youth, vet....I can come up with a few more if needed.....a chance to hunt on their terms.
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on June 02, 2014, 02:48:35 PM
Booked!
I'll be hunting my trophy with a whiskey sour and a cuban in my hand. Afterwards, I'll be posting up a long thread about my hunt and asking the taxi to leave the ear tag in!
To be clear, are you booking my Hereford hunt I offered above or the penned elk hunt? This particular Hereford has an attitude and is "intact". You could tell your buddies you killed 1500 lbs "bull" and show them the "elk rack" you retrieved from the meanest "bull" you ever hunted. All from the relative safety of my patio (lunch is included in the price).
Well I had planned on bowhunting for elk. I figured we could really set up a neat calling area and get the cameras rolling. I'd look into the camera, covered in war paint of course, whisper about my calling, give the hoochie mama a toot, then make a perfect broadside shot at 12 yards as the bull stepped out from behind the fence.....bushes I mean. Then fist pump, walk out fo the blind and begin tracking.
However, with lunch thrown in I may have to reconsider.
Back on topic though even though I don't see this as hunting there is a need or the business would not be sustained. I don't care if 100 wealthy hunters shoot a monster if the fences give at least one hunter that is disabled, at the end of their days either in their later years or their youth, vet....I can come up with a few more if needed.....a chance to hunt on their terms.
This is a great reason for a fenced hunt...I'm all for that....and like I've said before to each their own....the only reason I posted this is because I thought this was over the top....picking out your trophy before you get there....isn't that part of the thrill....not knowing what or if you will get one....this i s like going to the store and debating which cut of steak to get
Post by: h20hunter on June 02, 2014, 02:51:01 PM
Post by: snowpack on June 02, 2014, 03:02:02 PM
Sounds a lot like the governor's tag hunts; with the exception of high fences, ear tags, trespassing, herding public wildlife, etc. And the price is more reasonable.
This is a great reason for a fenced hunt...I'm all for that....and like I've said before to each their own....the only reason I posted this is because I thought this was over the top....picking out your trophy before you get there....isn't that part of the thrill....not knowing what or if you will get one....this i s like going to the store and debating which cut of steak to get
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Post by: deerhunter_98520 on June 02, 2014, 05:58:47 PM
I use to work for Oly/Pabst/Miller/SAB so Bud would cost you and extra grand! :chuckle:
Wow I had no idea....so sorry you had to work for such a company...it should be a grand off....you would finally have somthing more than canned water to drink :chuckle:
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Post by: WSU on June 03, 2014, 08:26:29 AM
I'll let you shoot this "bull" for only $5,000! He is just a baby now but next year he will be a monster! For just $5,000 you get to shoot him free range in a 100 acre pasture, free transportation on a quad, free pick up and hanging with a tractor, free field dressing, skinning and loading into your truck all while you sit back and dine on a fresh tuna sammich, tater chips and an ice cold PBR!
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Dude! Bad form to underbid my advertised "hunt!"
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Post by: deerhunter_98520 on June 03, 2014, 10:12:22 AM
What side of the fence does one shoot from ? Canned hunt no thanks even if it was a few dollars
They just sit on the tailgate with alfalpha in the bed and ring the bell :chuckle:
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Post by: starbailey on June 05, 2014, 11:00:55 AM
I did recognize one of the hunters in the over 400 club. I met and talked with him at 1200 ft elevation on one of the hardest mountain hunts in the World. I know he has over 25 different sheep and 30 goat species to his hunting credit. You don't hunt sheep and goats behind fences. It's confusing why he would think that would even be worth the time.
Post by: RadSav on June 05, 2014, 12:15:53 PM
I know he has over 25 different sheep and 30 goat species to his hunting credit. You don't hunt sheep and goats behind fences. It's confusing why he would think that would even be worth the time.
Probably too busy chasing goats and sheep to spend time hunting elk :dunno:
I have done some canned hunts to test products. One of those hunts the Barnes crew was there too testing bullet performance and weeding through a number of design improvements. I'm sure that all the Barnes fans appreciate the seriousness in which they went about getting the most out of their design.
In most of these cases "Canned" can sometimes be thousands of acres not just the 240+ listed in the above link. And seldom do you just walk out and shoot one with a hand full of alfalfa tied to the end of your barrel. Sure you know you are going to see animals. Sure you know if you mess up you will have another opportunity by the end of the day. And sure you can pick the one you want and target just that bull without worry your hunt will end with tag soup. But the Bow Cans I have been on have taken some effort to seal the deal. These animals know what people are and that they are not friendly. Many of the lesser animals have been there for years watching their big brothers go down and harvested. They are spooky, alert and have plenty of room to escape the clutches of a novice hunter. Guys who think it is on the same level as a back country hunt in a wilderness are delusional, but once you understand what it is it's a lot more enjoyable than walking through the meat isle at Wal-Mart.
I disagree that these hunts paint hunters in a bad light. They have a purpose and most are run well. The problem arises when shooters try and pass off these animals as major achievements. Or claim to be some higher grade of elk hunter because they've taken a canned elk with large antlers. The multitude of reports about new Idaho records come to mind. Ones that eventually were found out to be "Estate" elk. That should have the same penalty as giving a false statement to the police...maybe even worse!
I try not to talk about my canned hunts much. As to me it was more about testing and learning than it was about hunting and being a better part time predator than the animal was a full time survivor. But some of those experiences were filled with short bursts of extreme excitement. And one hunt on 7,000 rough acres for Aoudad was a complete kick your arse "hunt". One in which I came home without the ram I wanted because he was a better survivor than I was a predator. Unfortunately not all these hunts are that way so I keep most of them to myself. Though I do have some animals taken on these hunts mounted. More as an example of the species beauty and potential than an example of some great hunting accomplishment.
But, then again I like shooting stuff! The wife and I hunt pheasant on release sights and reserves as well as wild pheasant on public land. We enjoy watching the dogs work and filling our freezer with meat that rivals the supermarket. Why can't a guy enjoy both as long as he understands the difference? Most of the time its a lot more challenging than shooting a grouse on the edge of the road or tagging a deer in your back yard eating apples. And it's judgmental elitism similar to views about canned hunts that led to the banning of baiting bear. Not everything has to be a struggle to be considered hunting. It all has it's place and with the right mid set and grasp on reality it can be an enjoyable experience.
Post by: RadSav on June 05, 2014, 12:21:21 PM
Post by: motg9_6 on June 05, 2014, 12:37:34 PM
as i was looking at the pics on their site i could help but notice how some of them look like the Spyder bull genes :chuckle:
Post by: starbailey on June 05, 2014, 12:55:13 PM
I have talked with some ranches in TX about some of the exotics they have (blackbuck) as I love the way they look and would like to have a mount. If I ever got around to going on one of these "canned hunts" I'm sure it would be a low stress, kick in the butt time. I just never see myself paying the money to go to Argentina or wherever they run free to kill one so I'd be ok killing a ranch raised buck.
Post by: RadSav on June 05, 2014, 01:37:44 PM
Very well put Rad Sav.
I have talked with some ranches in TX about some of the exotics they have (blackbuck) as I love the way they look and would like to have a mount. If I ever got around to going on one of these "canned hunts" I'm sure it would be a low stress, kick in the butt time. I just never see myself paying the money to go to Argentina or wherever they run free to kill one so I'd be ok killing a ranch raised buck.
If you want a blackbuck I can not recommend the YO ranch high enough. Not sure you are going to find 40,000 of free roaming wildlife anywhere else. Only thing that makes the YO seem like a canned hunt it the pure volume of animals. I do think they have a 2,000 acre high fence whitetail area, but the rest of the ranch is pretty much free to roam. They also have some of the most wild elusive Fallow bucks in the world! These animals are hunted almost none stop all year round and they are wary as any wild animals you will find. Again, 40,000 acres! That's 62.5 square miles!! I think I've been there three times and I've probably only seen 1/3rd of the ranch. It is not a place I would ever call a canned hunt unless inside the high fence 2,000.
For city folks to fully under stand what 40,000 acres is...That's larger than ten (10) Mercer Islands put together! Or nearly twice the size of the Bellevue City limits. For you dry siders that's 5 square miles larger than the city limits of Spokane and more than twice the size of the city limits of Yakima. 1/6th the size of the Mount Rainier National Park! 1/4 the size of the entire Weyco/Vail permit area... It's BIG!!
One of my trips there I was hunting one single blackbuck for three days. He was a MONSTER with one horn broken off at the base. Because of that no one wanted to tag him and the ranch offered him to Doug Walker and I for half price. I think back then that was $650.00. I had visions of mounting him like a marlin! 3/4 mount length wise in a full run position. Would have been a one of a kind mount! But that dang buck busted us every single day and some times more than once a day! He hadn't gotten that big and old on a hunting ranch because he was stupid, that's for sure!
Blackbuck are very territorial. At the boundaries of their territory they have markers which are perfect mounds of poop with a pee hole dead center. Each day they make the rounds refreshing the scent. That is probably the only reason we were able to get multiple opportunities at seeing him since he had miles to go if he wanted to.
You really have to experience the YO ranch for yourself to fully understand how enormous it is and how "Un-Canned" the experience is! They are not kidding when they say, "It's like Africa in Texas". Very cool animals...awesome place. Or at least it was 20 years ago ;)
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on June 05, 2014, 05:11:41 PM
Post by: RadSav on June 05, 2014, 05:49:11 PM
Sounds like u had a good time
Even if you just take a sightseeing safari on the YO it is worth it. Just stay clear of the Ostrich. They're mean!! :chuckle:
It's like Jurassic Park when the people are driving toward the facility upon arrival. There are animals you never thought you would see just meandering about in the vast expanse of land. I tried an elk bugle on a large Sika deer. He paid no attention, but a 380 class bull elk just about ran me over coming in! That was just moments after six scimitar horned oryx walked through followed by a 140 whitetail and about 80 turkeys. By the end of the day I'd also seen axis deer, albino skunk, porcupine, red deer, American bison, Jacobs ram, mouflon sheep, Corsican sheep, fallow deer, giraffe, Texas dall, YO ibex, Hawaiian sheep, Catalina goat, blackbuck, Pere David deer and Audad. Only the giraffe, ostrich and Pere David were in secluded pastures. All the rest I came upon while doing about a three mile hike (which I was only allowed to do because Doug Walker said I would be fine and not get lost forever ;) Apparently it's large enough where that is a problem!)
I hear it is even crazier now that they have been successful breeding African game. When I was there last they were just getting in most of the original breeding pairs and had them in a secluded pasture. And if true, there are more Pere David deer on the YO than there are in their native China.
Post by: motg9_6 on June 06, 2014, 07:28:13 AM
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Post by: RadSav on June 06, 2014, 09:32:57 AM
Maybe Uncle Ted will buy them all up! I know either he or his son has been there each time I have been. It could be the new YO Gonzo Ranch ;)
Post by: starbailey on June 06, 2014, 09:34:17 AM
Not all ranch hunts, canned or not, are created equal.
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 06, 2014, 09:37:55 AM
Post by: RadSav on June 06, 2014, 09:48:37 AM
Yes, I wouldn't call 40,000 acres a canned hunt. I think the YO also has red sheep and Armenian sheep free range along with the other wildlife you mentioned. I've talked with several hunters that have hunted with Rowdy on the ranch (audad, red, Armenian) and they all say it can be extremely difficult to sneak up on game.
Not all ranch hunts, canned or not, are created equal.
I'm not familiar with the Armenian sheep. But I've seen some dandy Reds on my last trip! They seem about twice as spooky as the Mouflon. Not sure that would be all that difficult with a rifle, but would be a reasonably challenging hunt with a bow. You have to throw in an Axis while you are there too. Best eating wild game animal on the planet :drool:
Post by: RadSav on June 06, 2014, 09:56:50 AM
So is uncle Ted as crazy off tv as he is on tv?
He's a lot smarter when the camera is off :chuckle:
Always high energy and the center of attention. But a really great guy. His wife Shemane is super nice, super smart and not at all offensive to look at ;) She also makes some dang good cookies! Not many celebrities as approachable, kind and friendly as Uncle Ted and Shemane. I'm not a big fan of his when he is on TV, but will always remain a big fan of the person and the family. They are GOOD people!
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 06, 2014, 10:02:03 AM
Post by: Band on June 07, 2014, 03:45:10 PM
Wonder if the people that shoot these animals come up with some elaborate story about an amazing stalk or crazy scenario or if they just say "Shot this beast while he was tied to a tree and gorging on grain. It was intense!"A few years ago a lady I worked with who knew I was a hunter brought in a binder full of incredible trophy animals taken by her husband. I couldn't believe my eyes, picture after picture of animals I could only dream of. And then it happened. I asked where he managed to find such great hunting opportunities. "Oh, all over the place", she said, "he paid $20,000 for this hunt, $25,000 for this one...".
It was my first experience seeing high fence animals. I felt like I had been punched in the gut. She actually thought hubby was a hunter. :DOH:
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 07, 2014, 04:55:30 PM
Post by: RadSav on June 07, 2014, 05:28:09 PM
I pay around $85.00 to hunt pheasant at the Shillipoo release sight with about 200 other middle class hunters and at least two rich dentists. Is the hunter that works for $10/hr out there on some moral high ground that the doctors are not? If the WDFW increased the bird permits on these release sights to $10,000 would release site hunting all of the sudden become unethical and the hunters that pay the money moral garbage? Money would not change the hunt, would it?
If I go to the San Carlos and pay $20,000 to hunt and in the process shoot a 400 class elk. Is that morally wrong? It's a huge place, they do not feed these animals, there are no pens or fences where the elk are contained. Is that any different than someone who draws a Wenaha East tag and kills a 400 bull? Area is about the same size, animals are just as free to roam, hunting pressure is about the same. Only real difference is the $20,000 and the steepness of terrain. Is the hunter who waited 16 years to draw the tag that much better than the guy who worked 30 years in a union job making enough money to go to the San Carlos?
Post by: Band on June 07, 2014, 06:12:29 PM
What does it matter?It matters because most of us spend a huge amount of time in preparation and hard work both before, during, and after the hunt in order to challenge ourselves to get an animal. And with any luck, a true trophy animal. When we come home empty handed we are still much richer for the experience and lessons learned. The experience gives us a common bond, a kinship. And then when someone comes along who has given little thought or effort and then spends an hour picking out a semi-tame animal to kill, what we may have initially thought was a kinship is nothing more than an illusion.
To put it in terms you might identify with, it would be finding out a neighbor who owns the house next to you doesn't work by choice, is living on welfare, and had his house paid for by the government.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 07, 2014, 06:41:31 PM
What does it matter?It matters because most of us spend a huge amount of time in preparation and hard work both before, during, and after the hunt in order to challenge ourselves to get an animal. And with any luck, a true trophy animal. When we come home empty handed we are still much richer for the experience and lessons learned. The experience gives us a common bond, a kinship. And then when someone comes along who has given little thought or effort and then spends an hour picking out a semi-tame animal to kill, what we may have initially thought was a kinship is nothing more than an illusion.
To put it in terms you might identify with, it would be finding out a neighbor who owns the house next to you doesn't work by choice, is living on welfare, and had his house paid for by the government.
No, it's the opposite of welfare. I have to work for my house and he's had his given to him by daddy. I don't care. I doesn't take away from my experience one bit. I don't think you should let it take away from yours, either, Band. You and I both know what memories we get for our animal, trophy or not. We work and it means something to us if and when we succeed. Whatever he gets out of his is his memory, his experience.
Post by: RadSav on June 07, 2014, 10:28:36 PM
We work and it means something to us if and when we succeed. Whatever he gets out of his is his memory, his experience.
Not sure I have ever seen it worded better :tup:
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on June 08, 2014, 10:03:09 AM
Post by: idaho guy on June 09, 2014, 12:05:03 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 09, 2014, 12:13:56 PM
I think the whole thing is bout this particular hunt is what kind of memories can you create? Your scouting is sitting behind a computer and picking your bull/buck before you show up and head out into the "enclosure" and walk up to the animal and shoot it....to me it seems like these animals are pretty tame from the few videos I've watched....it would be completely different on a 20k acre ranch...they have room to roam and be "free"....It would be more of a hunt....maybe its because I was raised different and my money means more to me than dropping 20k to shoot a " trophy" to brag about in the office...to each his own but and its cool there hunting and supporting the sport...my hunts start the day after season closes...I start scouting and looking for my trophy, I spend a lot of days in the woods preparing for my hunt and I think most average hunter are like this...we put it way more work preparing for our hunts...to me its personal satisfaction knowing I put in the time,effort and hard earned money...I'm a teamsters union worker with a family of 4...I'm the only one working at the moment and make a decent living and would have to save a while to afford one of these hunts and I couldn't justify spending that much coin when I could buy a new truck with it.
I think that's the point: It doesn't matter what it would mean to you and me because it's not our cup of tea; we wouldn't do it regardless of how much money we had. It only matters what it means to him. Of course we wouldn't spend $25K on this type of harvest, for all the reasons we've already discussed. But he will. He's not going to spend the days scouting that we spend. He's not going to train in the gym just for hunting. He's not going to do it with a bow because it's the hard way. He gets to hang the head on his wall, probably next to a zebra or a kudu shot the same way, and tell people how he conquered the great Northwest wilderness and took this trophy bull. I don't care. I care that he thinks he's a hunter and relates to hunting and guns more than he relates to anti-hunting and gun control. I takes absolutely nothing away from my experience or love of my sport.
Post by: Stein on June 09, 2014, 12:20:27 PM
If I have a private ranch with 300 head of elk wintering and for a hefty fee I drive you up to the ridge and you pop a "free range" elk, is that really the same thing as hitting one 25 miles into the wilderness? If you haul your wilderness elk out with pack animals is that the same as if I haul it out on my back? What about guided vs. DIY?
Everyone is in the game for a different reason. For me, it is all about free range public land DIY but that is my choice (and budget). Whatever floats your boat is what you should pursue.
Post by: idaho guy on June 09, 2014, 01:09:58 PM
Everyone is in the game for a different reason. For me, it is all about free range public land DIY but that is my choice (and budget). Whatever floats your boat is what you should pursue.
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I have considered having my kids do a buffallo hunt but havent been able to pull the trigger on it. my kids are all pretty young so it would be fun for them. Right now we are putting in for the montana permits(i dont know if that would be any more challenging than the larger ranches) but I would feel better about if for some reason. I want to eventually mount all the north american big game animails and this one could be hard to ever draw and hunt outside the fence.
Post by: Stein on June 09, 2014, 01:38:14 PM