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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: Dwright on June 14, 2014, 09:30:11 AM

Title: how many points did it take poll
Post by: Dwright on June 14, 2014, 09:30:11 AM: What quality or bull elk tag did you draw and how many points did it take? Just doing my own research on how many points it takes to draw something good. I'm hearing alot of bad reports from people with a lot of points that can't draw!
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Post by: 270Shooter on June 14, 2014, 09:34:52 AM: Rifle alkali 4 points, 4th choice.
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Post by: Alan K on June 14, 2014, 10:17:48 AM: Why not look at real data and see for yourself rather than polling a handful of people on a website?

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/points/2013.php (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/points/2013.php)

The 2014 data will be posted before too long, but it wont differ too much from 2013.
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Post by: bobcat on June 14, 2014, 10:26:55 AM: I don't like using the word "take." (as in how many points does it "take")

I think it's misleading to people who don't understand how the draw system works. It implies that once you reach a certain number of points, that drawing a permit is virtually guaranteed. That is not the case. It's a random draw. The points help but don't guarantee anything.

Look at the data at the link that Alan provided. You'll see that lots of people with lots of points did not draw.

You have to remember too, that each year as your points increase by one, so does everbody else's.
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Post by: Igottanewknee on June 14, 2014, 10:32:57 AM: 5 points, second choice, Rimrock any bull.
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Post by: boneaddict on June 14, 2014, 10:35:18 AM: Bobcat nailed it. You can draw with one, 18 points doesnt guarantee anything
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Post by: WAcoueshunter on June 14, 2014, 10:45:04 AM: Quote from: boneaddict on June 14, 2014, 10:35:18 AM
Bobcat nailed it. You can draw with one, 18 points doesnt guarantee anything

Yup. Only way to help beat it is to be flexible and apply for lots of different hunts. If you're holding out for one particular tag with 1 in 10 odds, expect it to take awhile. Apply for 10 hunts with 1 in 10 odds (different species, multiple states, etc) and you should have something good most years.
Title: Re: how many points did it take poll
Post by: Alan K on June 14, 2014, 10:47:44 AM: Bottom line is there are way too many applicants for way too few permits. There are two things that would help out.

One, limit hunt choices to one. The majority of people complaining about not drawing are putting for the premier hunts in each category. Right now, with multiple hunt choices, you're crazy not to put in for a premier hunt as your first choice, with a realistic hunt as your second. So all of the low point holders are (or should if they're smart) putting Blue's type elk hunts first choice, diluting top point holders' odds. With a single hunt choice, a low point holder may as well go buy a lottery ticket than put in for a blues hunt. They'd probably have a better chance of winning the lottery and purchasing an auction tag. BUT at the same time they do have a chance, albeit a small one, which you don't want to take away.

Two, if they'd just add 1 week long rut permit hunt for deer and elk for each GMU, they'd spread the applicants out over FAR more hunt options and relieve the odds on many, if not all hunts. Look at a hunt like Wahkiakum (quality bull), where there is 1 permit and that one permit gets over 200 applicants to use one of their two hunt choices on it. Of course certain areas are going to attract more people than others, but a rut hunt is a great hunt no matter what unit you're in. A chance (50%ish?) at a hunter taking one additional buck/bull that would otherwise not be isn't going to affect the game populations in the units, and what it would do for draw odds would without a doubt in my mind be worth it.
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Post by: Halo on June 14, 2014, 11:00:05 AM: I think the part that a lot of people don't realize is the way it usually works is you have a very small group of point holders at the top and the masses are at the bottom with low to no points and odds are it will be one of the masses that draw the tag. If you have one person with 18 points, 18 squared is 324 chances in the draw. Then you have 1000 people with no points, 1000 chances, odds are someone with no points will get the tag. By the time you figure in the masses at low points that 18 points are not the guarantee you thought. With the most points your odds are way better than any single low points applicant but the tag will often go to the masses at the low end.
Title: Re: how many points did it take poll
Post by: Eli346 on June 14, 2014, 11:23:00 AM: Quality bull-Toutle,12pts/Quality deer-Manson,12pts/Bull elk-Margaret,14pts/Multi-season-elk 4pts
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Post by: teanawayslayer on June 14, 2014, 11:34:19 AM: Quality bull peaches ridge muzzy 7 points.
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Post by: Meat Truck on June 14, 2014, 12:18:00 PM: I got Margaret archery bull w/ 5 points, and I'm pretty pumped about it. I say screw Weyerhauser, and I'm headed high. I'm not trying to set any records, in fact I might shoot a spike if it taunts me long enough. 8)
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Post by: huntnphool on June 14, 2014, 12:34:09 PM: Where is the poll?
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Post by: MLBowhunting on June 14, 2014, 12:51:46 PM: My partner and I drew Olympic with 3 points.
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Post by: tgray on June 14, 2014, 12:59:47 PM: I know a guy who drew a blue Mtn's rifle tag this year with "1" point. He had a peaches tag last year also with "1" point
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Post by: HntnFsh on June 14, 2014, 01:26:48 PM: Dayton must bull! 5 points!
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Post by: DARKTIMBER on June 14, 2014, 01:54:45 PM: Drew toutle arch. tag and Margaret arch. tag last year. One with 3 points and one with 5.
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Post by: Killmore on June 15, 2014, 07:05:30 AM: peaches ridge bull {modern} 15 points
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Post by: Craig on June 15, 2014, 08:04:47 AM: rimrock bull muzzle 6 points