Post by: 270Shooter on June 24, 2014, 08:36:02 AM
Thanks for any suggestions
Post by: bobcat on June 24, 2014, 08:48:31 AM
Here's one that Midway has in stock that I think would work well, if it shoots in your rifle:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/918023/nosler-trophy-grade-ammunition-270-winchester-130-grain-e-tip-lead-free-box-of-20?cm_vc=ProductFinding
Post by: b23 on June 24, 2014, 08:48:46 AM
My guess is you'll get a variety of different answers as to which bullet is best but the one common denominator that we all will, likely, agree on is shot placement ALWAYS trumps "best" bullet.
Post by: mossy8352 on June 24, 2014, 08:54:33 AM
Post by: 270Shooter on June 24, 2014, 09:03:32 AM
Post by: Mike450r on June 24, 2014, 09:05:28 AM
Post by: arrowflinger on June 24, 2014, 09:12:32 AM
Post by: 270Shooter on June 24, 2014, 09:17:33 AM
what about Barnes Vor-Tex 130gr TTSXthose are interesting too has anyone ever shot these factory rounds?
Post by: arrowflinger on June 24, 2014, 09:19:27 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 24, 2014, 09:24:19 AM
what about Barnes Vor-Tex 130gr TTSX
That would be a great choice as well. I'd try a box of those, and a box of the e tips, and then hunt with whichever one gives the tightest groups.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on June 24, 2014, 09:32:41 AM
Post by: Jolten on June 24, 2014, 10:34:15 AM
Post by: WSU on June 24, 2014, 10:51:09 AM
Post by: hunterbuilder on June 24, 2014, 11:17:11 AM
Post by: b23 on June 24, 2014, 11:17:47 AM
Nosler has their Trophy Grade ammo line for the 270 win. with 130gr AccuBonds, also.
I would buy a box of the Hornady Superformance in 270win with the 130gr SST and see how they shot in my rifle and if they shot well, I'd go with them.
Post by: starbailey on June 24, 2014, 11:25:20 AM
Post by: b23 on June 24, 2014, 11:37:17 AM
I've killed 2 elk with my 270 using the Hornady Superformance 130gr Interbond. Not long range shots (75 and 125yds) but I'd feel confident with them out to 300yds. I've been able to find them consistently on the shelves when I need them. They are very fast at 3200fps.
Unless you find some old stock that somebody still has on their shelves, I don't believe Hornady still makes the Supeformance for 270win with 130 Interbond.
If you like Berger's VLD bullets, I'm pretty sure HSM has a premium line of ammo that uses the Berger 130gr VLD in 270win.
You'll have plenty of options that's for sure but if it were me, I'd start with a box of the Hornady Superformance with the 130 SST and see how they shot for me, then go from there.
Post by: h20hunter on June 24, 2014, 11:40:06 AM
Post by: Mxracer532 on June 24, 2014, 11:53:25 AM
I used the same load on my spring bear this yr. If I remember right 279 yards (pass through) went 40 yards or so till I got a another in him. (Quartered too shot through front shoulder) dropped on the spot.
Post by: Mxracer532 on June 24, 2014, 11:55:12 AM
Here is my 150gr Barnes from my 2013 spring bear hunt. Clearly I did not get text book expansion...probably could have used a few more fps. However, weight retention was awesome and terminal performance was devastating.
IMO thats bullet failure. Basically a FMJ.
Post by: b23 on June 24, 2014, 12:31:34 PM
Here is my 150gr Barnes from my 2013 spring bear hunt. Clearly I did not get text book expansion...probably could have used a few more fps. However, weight retention was awesome and terminal performance was devastating.
IMO thats bullet failure. Basically a FMJ.
I would, mostly, be in agreement with you, BUT, philosophically speaking, that bullet did exactly what a bullet of its type is supposed to do. It, obviously, had maximum weight retention and, I'm assuming because I wasn't actually there, had full penetration. And, the animal was reclaimed. Although that type of bullet and its performance is NOT to my liking, I don't know how I could really say it had bullet failure because it actually did everything that type of bullet is intended to do.
What is more puzzling to me though is why so many 270 Winnie shooters use 150gr bullets when the 130 or 140 grainers clearly outperform them and I don't only mean because the 130's or 140's shoot flatter but they produce more energy as well. My pops has been a 270cal fan forever and he has loaded 270win. for a couple of his friends for about as long as I can remember and though he has changed bullet types as new designs have become available, he still only loads 130's. If I recall correctly, the last few years he had his 270wby, before he rebarreled it to something else, he shot a medium sized 5pt bull with a Nosler 140.
Post by: h20hunter on June 24, 2014, 12:35:19 PM
I typically shoot a 130gr and have had just as good of performance on bear. I tried the 150's to have a little mass and obviously could have worked up my velocity a bit to achieve pretty mushroom affect.
Here is another angle.
Post by: Curly on June 24, 2014, 12:46:09 PM
Post by: coachcw on June 24, 2014, 12:51:17 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 24, 2014, 12:54:03 PM
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What is more puzzling to me though is why so many 270 Winnie shooters use 150gr bullets when the 130 or 140 grainers clearly outperform them and I don't only mean because the 130's or 140's shoot flatter but they produce more energy as well.
Same reason some people use 180s in the 30-06.
Post by: b23 on June 24, 2014, 01:09:23 PM
I hear the EXACT same thing with regard to Berger bullets, EXCEPT, their bullets are intended to do the exact opposite. Berger wants their bullet to penetrate the hide then go off like a grenade inside the animal creating a very large wound channel for maximum bleed out.
IMO, the people that prefer maximum penetration, often, claim Berger type bullets, that are intended to create very large wound channels, have bullet failure because they have considerably less retained weight and the people on the other side of the fence call foul when bullets don't expand very much but in all actuality, BOTH, bullets are doing exactly what they were designed to do.
Whether you call it bullet failure or not, is likely more dependent on which point of view you buy into versus another. Like you said, the bullet exited the barrel and you recovered the animal, how can anyone say the bullet failed to do its job.
Post by: bobcat on June 24, 2014, 01:14:52 PM
Post by: h20hunter on June 24, 2014, 01:25:51 PM
And that is why I believe it's more of a philosophical view than a clear cut case of bullet failure.
I hear the EXACT same thing with regard to Berger bullets, EXCEPT, their bullets are intended to do the exact opposite. Berger wants their bullet to penetrate the hide then go off like a grenade inside the animal creating a very large wound channel for maximum bleed out.
IMO, the people that prefer maximum penetration, often, claim Berger type bullets, that are intended to create very large wound channels, have bullet failure because they have considerably less retained weight and the people on the other side of the fence call foul when bullets don't expand very much but in all actuality, BOTH, bullets are doing exactly what they were designed to do.
Whether you call it bullet failure or not, is likely more dependent on which point of view you buy into versus another. Like you said, the bullet exited the barrel and you recovered the animal, how can anyone say the bullet failed to do its job.
Agree. 2nd easiest recovery ever for me. However, I'd be happy to sit around a fire and have a spirited debate about bullet performance and "to have failed or not to have failed".
Post by: b23 on June 24, 2014, 01:28:52 PM
By the way, I like 150s in the 270 and 180s in the 30-06. The only disadvantage I see is a bit more recoil.
I completely understand there is MANY ways to skin a cat but is there anything particular you like about the 150 over the 130 or is it just what works for you so why change it kind of thing?
Post by: bobcat on June 24, 2014, 01:31:10 PM
Ever notice what weight bullets the long range guys use?
Post by: b23 on June 24, 2014, 01:41:10 PM
And that is why I believe it's more of a philosophical view than a clear cut case of bullet failure.
I hear the EXACT same thing with regard to Berger bullets, EXCEPT, their bullets are intended to do the exact opposite. Berger wants their bullet to penetrate the hide then go off like a grenade inside the animal creating a very large wound channel for maximum bleed out.
IMO, the people that prefer maximum penetration, often, claim Berger type bullets, that are intended to create very large wound channels, have bullet failure because they have considerably less retained weight and the people on the other side of the fence call foul when bullets don't expand very much but in all actuality, BOTH, bullets are doing exactly what they were designed to do.
Whether you call it bullet failure or not, is likely more dependent on which point of view you buy into versus another. Like you said, the bullet exited the barrel and you recovered the animal, how can anyone say the bullet failed to do its job.
Agree. 2nd easiest recovery ever for me. However, I'd be happy to sit around a fire and have a spirited debate about bullet performance and "to have failed or not to have failed".
Ohhhh, and spirited I'm sure it would be. :tup:
I think there has been many a callus, formed on finger tips, debating this very subject on the different forums out there on the WWW. :chuckle:
Post by: huntnphool on June 24, 2014, 01:50:33 PM
Post by: 270Shooter on June 24, 2014, 03:34:02 PM
Post by: skhunt on June 24, 2014, 03:38:08 PM
https://www.norma-usa.com/index.php/products/ammo/aph/19-amph/93-270-winchester-oryx (https://www.norma-usa.com/index.php/products/ammo/aph/19-amph/93-270-winchester-oryx)
If you want a lighter bullet, use Kalahari in 120gn. Sighted in at 150 yards it drops only 8 inches at 300 yard target:
https://www.norma-usa.com/index.php/products/ammo/aph/19-amph/92-270-winchester-kalahari (https://www.norma-usa.com/index.php/products/ammo/aph/19-amph/92-270-winchester-kalahari)
Post by: Bob33 on June 24, 2014, 03:42:51 PM
As of right now I think I'm going to try the 130 gr Barnes and see how they shoot, I like that they have high b.c. And will hold together and theoretically penetrate well even on longer shots. My only concern is getting them to open up enough on those long shots where velocity has dropped off.In my experience, bullets that shed weight kill a bit quicker. However, I shoot Barnes almost exclusively. Worst case and the bullet doesn't expand at all, punching a .277" hole through two lungs will kill most any animal in North America. I like knowing the bullet will penetrate through anything it encounters, and not leave shrapnel in my meat.
Post by: Eli346 on June 24, 2014, 03:53:26 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 24, 2014, 06:51:49 PM
That would be a 130gr Swift Scirocco with a BC of .450
Here's your daisy. :tup:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/536536/remington-premier-ammunition-270-winchester-130-grain-swift-scirocco-polymer-tip-box-of-20 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/536536/remington-premier-ammunition-270-winchester-130-grain-swift-scirocco-polymer-tip-box-of-20)
Post by: scottfrick on June 24, 2014, 07:06:28 PM
Post by: jrebel on June 24, 2014, 07:27:00 PM
Hand loaded ammo would be the nosler partition 150 grain.
Either would get the job done.
Post by: carlyoungs on June 24, 2014, 07:30:42 PM
Post by: Slenk on June 24, 2014, 07:46:27 PM
Still use them today. never lost a Deer or Elk with them.
300 yrds. is not long range.
The .270 will do fine, if you do your part.
Post by: 270Shooter on June 24, 2014, 09:24:01 PM
If it were me and I was in a situation where a .270 Win and factory ammo were to be used. I would opt for a 130gr bullet with good construction and a good BC.is there much difference between the accubonds and the swift bullet?
That would be a 130gr Swift Scirocco with a BC of .450
Here's your daisy. :tup:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/536536/remington-premier-ammunition-270-winchester-130-grain-swift-scirocco-polymer-tip-box-of-20 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/536536/remington-premier-ammunition-270-winchester-130-grain-swift-scirocco-polymer-tip-box-of-20)
Post by: Dan-o on June 24, 2014, 09:44:05 PM
I've been shooting a few elk with Hornady Superformance in 7 MM Mag. I'd think the same in 270 would work well. But you've been given tons of good choices.
I'm not a fan of those solid coppers..... Found one not all that mushroomed in the shoulder of my sons elk this year....
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on June 24, 2014, 09:55:55 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 24, 2014, 09:56:26 PM
If it were me and I was in a situation where a .270 Win and factory ammo were to be used. I would opt for a 130gr bullet with good construction and a good BC.is there much difference between the accubonds and the swift bullet?
That would be a 130gr Swift Scirocco with a BC of .450
Here's your daisy. :tup:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/536536/remington-premier-ammunition-270-winchester-130-grain-swift-scirocco-polymer-tip-box-of-20 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/536536/remington-premier-ammunition-270-winchester-130-grain-swift-scirocco-polymer-tip-box-of-20)
A elk isn't going to be able to tell the difference. :tup: I'm a big Accubond fan, spanked several Mule deer at distance with the 140gr Accubond and a .270 WSM.
Post by: Bob33 on June 24, 2014, 10:05:59 PM
I'm not a fan of those solid coppers..... Found one not all that mushroomed in the shoulder of my sons elk this year....Your son's? Did the elk scream when you pulled it out?
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 24, 2014, 10:34:41 PM
I'm not a fan of those solid coppers..... Found one not all that mushroomed in the shoulder of my sons elk this year....Your son's? Did the elk scream when you pulled it out?
:chuckle:
Post by: Dan-o on June 24, 2014, 11:44:41 PM
I'm not a fan of those solid coppers..... Found one not all that mushroomed in the shoulder of my sons elk this year....Your son's? Did the elk scream when you pulled it out?
:chuckle:
:tup:
Seriously though, we don't shoot copper solids, but his elk had one lodged in the shoulder and not very mushed at all......
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on June 25, 2014, 12:05:43 AM
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Post by: RadSav on June 25, 2014, 12:14:26 AM
Seriously though, we don't shoot copper solids, but his elk had one lodged in the shoulder and not very mushed at all......
Pretty common from what I've seen. Don't think folks realize how poorly they open up at velocities below 2,600. Even the TTSX struggles when below 2,600 and seems to stop doing much of anything below 2,400. I've seen them do great things at magnum velocities, but that only lasts for about 250 yards in most magnums.
I'm with Biggerhammer on this one...Accubond, InterBond or Scirocco. Even then killing can be quite slow beyond 400 yards with the 270 and bonded bullets. Almost need two different bullets - one for close range and one for long range.
I know O'Connor used the 130 grain Partition on most of his game. But, I have seen some terrible things happen with it out of the 270. Been some time ago and I hope Nosler has made it better. The 150 grain Partition has been pretty darn fantastic in the two animals I've seen taken with it. For a person that is not a big Partition fan I'd have to place the 270/150 Partition as a great all rounder option. At a BC of .465 it's not a complete brick at longer range like most 130 grain flat based bullets.
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 25, 2014, 07:21:15 AM
Post by: 270Shooter on June 25, 2014, 03:16:53 PM
Post by: Instinct on June 25, 2014, 03:46:48 PM
Post by: wsmnut on June 25, 2014, 03:57:58 PM
My wife Op's checked this on a 350 class Idaho bull. 150 yards. Complete pass through. Boiler room totally ruined. Bull took one step.
Zero tracking. What's not to like?
Wsmnut
Post by: 270Shooter on June 26, 2014, 03:43:46 PM
Post by: Falcon on June 27, 2014, 09:34:17 PM
Killed a 5 pt Rosie, Mtn goat, bull moose and a dall sheep at long range.
I love my 270
Only rifle I own :tup:
Post by: billythekidrock on June 27, 2014, 09:46:16 PM
My last rifle bull was taken with 130gr Federal Premiums.
I have killed several bull with 130-140 gr but I am working on some 160gr loads.
Post by: MountainWalk on June 28, 2014, 08:46:28 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 28, 2014, 02:21:34 PM
I have used the 140 gr trophy bonded bear claw.If I was gonna buy factory ammo this would be my pick
Killed a 5 pt Rosie, Mtn goat, bull moose and a dall sheep at long range.
I love my 270
Only rifle I own :tup:
Post by: Pete112288 on June 28, 2014, 02:44:40 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on June 28, 2014, 02:59:25 PM
Post by: Pete112288 on June 28, 2014, 03:11:35 PM
Sorry, didnt mean to jack the thread, haha.
Post by: 270Shooter on June 29, 2014, 11:12:29 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 30, 2014, 12:56:20 AM