Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 30, 2014, 10:40:49 AM
I know theres a few guys on here with Holland's and was just looking for any input. Im not opposed to trying a diffe re powder so long as I can find it.
Thanks
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 30, 2014, 05:23:21 PM
Post by: yorketransport on June 30, 2014, 09:11:05 PM
Andrew
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 30, 2014, 09:18:10 PM
ill try with what I have for now since I am getting better results.
ill keep varget in mind if I need to change it up.
I do have some factory load 260 partitions that shoot amazing, but I want the big pills! big guns and big bullets are too much fun!
there is such a difference smacking steel even between the 260 partition and the 300 hornady.
im not looking for a super flat trajectory with this, I just want a short to mid range (out to 350 or so yards) hammer.
would adding a crimp make much difference? this far I have not been crimping. it seems like this particular set up is very particular with seating depth.
Post by: yorketransport on June 30, 2014, 09:23:59 PM
Andrew
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 30, 2014, 09:41:53 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 30, 2014, 09:44:00 PM
The crimp could make the difference. It will make all of your loads more consistent. The H&H has a pretty thin neck, so neck tension can vary quite a bit. The crimp will help make them more uniform.
Andrew
would I need a factory crimp die? or can I set the bullet seating die to crimp at the very end? set the die a smidge lower?
EDIT... just ordered a crimp die. itll be here Thursday. now I get to start all over with development. thanks hammer and York! im glad I can share your love for completely overkill :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 01, 2014, 09:03:18 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on July 01, 2014, 09:28:59 PM
Post by: birddogdad on July 03, 2014, 07:32:27 AM
one of the most accurate down range rifles i own is my H&H with these loads. The FMJ is awesome in the woods, have jumped bulls, taken through THICK brush with this load no problem...
Post by: Bwana Bob on July 03, 2014, 07:45:30 AM
Post by: birddogdad on July 03, 2014, 08:00:14 AM
one other thing, if you are having accuracy issues, start with new brass and and only fire through YOUR rifle, dont pickup and size, there may be slight issue with your dies or you have a rifle that doesnt like other fired brass.... I have only had this occur once with my pair of weatherby 340's, my crown, which is made "tighter" would hang a brass from the lower grade model. I have to segregate brass, kind of a pain in myass but.....
Post by: yorketransport on July 03, 2014, 08:19:31 PM
77.5 grains of Win. 760 with either a 300 Gr. Sierra Game King (long range) or 300 Gr. Hornady FMJ for woods. For then game king OAL is 3.270". With the FMJ seat to cannelure. I prefer the Federal 215 primer.
one of the most accurate down range rifles i own is my H&H with these loads. The FMJ is awesome in the woods, have jumped bulls, taken through THICK brush with this load no problem...
I have to admit that I cringe when I read something like this. The brush busting bit has been beaten to death before, but the FMJ is just not a very good hunting bullet. There are so many expanding bullets out there which will do a better job.
Andrew
Post by: birddogdad on July 04, 2014, 05:44:23 PM
77.5 grains of Win. 760 with either a 300 Gr. Sierra Game King (long range) or 300 Gr. Hornady FMJ for woods. For then game king OAL is 3.270". With the FMJ seat to cannelure. I prefer the Federal 215 primer.
one of the most accurate down range rifles i own is my H&H with these loads. The FMJ is awesome in the woods, have jumped bulls, taken through THICK brush with this load no problem...
I have to admit that I cringe when I read something like this. The brush busting bit has been beaten to death before, but the FMJ is just not a very good hunting bullet. There are so many expanding bullets out there which will do a better job.
if you have never used a FMJ in this scenario, don't cringe.. they have a specific function, and frankly have never EVER let me down. A thumb size hole is plenty of expansion for any North American Animal and meat damage is minimal at all angles, even strait away... Also , goes without saying not just spraying and praying... expansion at point blank with a 375 will definitely allow you to pack lighter leaving behind a lot of destroyed meat....
you probably wont like my cast bullet 45-70 brush deer load stories then either... .. :tup:
Andrew
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 04, 2014, 06:10:55 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on July 04, 2014, 06:50:34 PM
Post by: yorketransport on July 04, 2014, 08:03:26 PM
if you have never used a FMJ in this scenario, don't cringe.. they have a specific function, and frankly have never EVER let me down. A thumb size hole is plenty of expansion for any North American Animal and meat damage is minimal at all angles, even strait away... Also , goes without saying not just spraying and praying... expansion at point blank with a 375 will definitely allow you to pack lighter leaving behind a lot of destroyed meat....
you probably wont like my cast bullet 45-70 brush deer load stories then either... .. :tup:
Using cast solids is a different scenario entirely. In that situation, the bullets have a large meplat (the "nose" of the bullet) which creates a wide permanent wound channel. That's why big bore handgun hunters (myself included) opt for the LBT style WLN bullet designs in the big bore weapons. It's all about the diameter of the meplat causing the maximum permanent wound channel possible.
There's a big difference between a FMJ and a monometal solid designed for big game hunting. It's all in the nose profile. It's been proven that spitzer solids don't track as reliably through tissue as the more effective flat or round nosed solids like the Barnes and Woodleigh bullets. That's one of the reasons why you don't see people running spitzer solids while hunting dangerous game.
I've pushed a lot of different .375 bullets WELL beyond their intended velocity range and I still haven't seen one which would ruin any more meat than similarly designed bullet out of a 300 mag. A 260gr Accubond at more than 3200 fps doesn't turn into a ballistic tip or a fragmentation grenade. They still hold up pretty well.
Andrew
Post by: mountainman on July 05, 2014, 09:43:25 PM
Post by: Rob on July 06, 2014, 08:38:51 AM
Try some swift a-frames.
My 375 loves the cutting edge bbw bullets, but that is a pretty long bullet given they are solid copper.
What type of rifle?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 06, 2014, 09:45:39 AM
Sounds like your rifle may have a twist that likes shorter bullets. I'd spend time trying different bullets rather than burning lots of powder.my rifle is a Winchester 70 classic stainless. it has a 12 twist barrel. ill try some with the factory crimp this week, if those don't work i think ill try some shorter bullets (260 or 270 grain).
Try some swift a-frames.
My 375 loves the cutting edge bbw bullets, but that is a pretty long bullet given they are solid copper.
What type of rifle?
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 06, 2014, 10:01:25 AM
This is a 260gr Accubond recovered from a Mulie buck shot at 560 yards.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi90.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk269%2Flandonmoses%2FDSC01099_zps36344eed.jpg&hash=c486b4a69ffe7a1b785cf831e198056fabb63078)
It just had a Ultra Mag case behind it.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi90.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk269%2Flandonmoses%2FDSC01103_zps143c6514.jpg&hash=afeda756ed46a951d4c0be63d52fc2b460a749d5)
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 06, 2014, 03:54:54 PM
Post by: Rob on July 06, 2014, 10:35:27 PM
Post by: Rob on July 06, 2014, 10:41:43 PM
The OAL is measured from the Ojive to the base, not the tip.
Post by: Rob on July 06, 2014, 10:43:48 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 09, 2014, 09:14:15 PM
found my best shooting load.
it is 300 BTSP loaded to 3.80 (half way up canular, with 74 grains IMR 4350. 2 grain under max. it shot a .65 inch group at 110 yards. going to chrono it with a magnetospeed next time out. im hoping to be in the 2450-2500 range.
thanks for all the input.
Post by: high country on July 30, 2014, 08:02:55 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 30, 2014, 08:24:00 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 31, 2014, 08:08:27 AM
Post by: high country on July 31, 2014, 09:11:46 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 31, 2014, 09:37:56 AM
5 moa on a 375 says sumtingwong. Clean the bejesus out of it. Swap scopes and do over. I'd seriously give consideration to a charge of rl powder.....but most 375's are stupid accurate to begin with.im going to run around at lunch today and look for some rl 15. Just have a hard time believing powder would make a difference of 5 moa. Gonna try some 260 partitions if these wont group with the other scope. I thotoughly cleaned the gun 30 rounds ago.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 31, 2014, 09:49:33 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 31, 2014, 08:44:37 PM
300 grain btsp at 2480 it is!
Post by: yorketransport on July 31, 2014, 09:36:41 PM
Good to hear that it's shooting well though. :tup:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 01, 2014, 07:58:04 AM
If you run that PST on there for too long you're going to have 2 broken scopes. :chuckle::chuckle: hey now!!! I already pulled the pst off. Its goin back on my 300 rum.
Good to hear that it's shooting well though. :tup:
The broke one is a vortex viper hs... hope it holds together next time. Maybe it was defective.
Post by: high country on August 01, 2014, 08:59:26 AM
Post by: Bwana Bob on August 01, 2014, 09:02:46 AM
I've shot about 6-800 round through my 375 H%H and the Leopold 4X held up just fine.
Another bit of advice, most 375 loads don't require a mag primer. I load IMR 4064 which is close to RL-15 in burn rate and most groups are under an inch. I shot my cape BUFFALO WITH A Barnes 270GR TS. Plenty good for elk or the biggest bears
I've shot loads with RL-15, IMR 4064, IMR 4320, IMR 4350 and IMR 4895 and they all shot well, that the beauty of the 375 H&H
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 01, 2014, 09:06:53 AM
You guys would laugh if you knew what I run for glass on my 375....Do tell!
Im sending my scope and rings back to vortex today. The tech i spoke with thought it was a ring problem since my scope body shows wear at the ring. I double and triple checked torgue on that thing numerous times. He was thinking ring alignment. Oh well im sure it will all get fixed up. Theres lots of time before my november moose hunt. :IBCOOL:
Glad to know the rifle and loads are shooting well and the scope was the culprit. I was starting to get nervous that i just coupdnt shoot. :chuckle:
Post by: high country on August 03, 2014, 11:04:14 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 13, 2014, 08:15:26 PM
Post by: yorketransport on August 13, 2014, 08:27:43 PM
Maybe the PST needs to stay on there. You'll have the first "tactical" 375 H&H ever. :chuckle:
Andrew
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 13, 2014, 08:57:45 PM
Send them a bill for the ammo you burned as well!Even if they fix it up i will have a hard time trusting the viper hs... the pst likes my rum too much. In fact i bolted it back on the rail and it was still zeroed! I am beyond aggrivated with the 375 scope. Going to be less friendly on the phone tomorrow. I have put close to 200 rounds through my 375 now since may.
Maybe the PST needs to stay on there. You'll have the first "tactical" 375 H&H ever. :chuckle:
Andrew
Thats a chunk of change with nothing to show... not to mention shipping back to vortex twice! :bash:
i wouldnt mind a 2.5-10 pst to put on there. :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 14, 2014, 10:41:42 AM
Post by: yorketransport on August 15, 2014, 06:34:15 AM
Good luck at the range. Sighting in a 375 is too expensive to do every couple of days!
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 15, 2014, 08:12:38 AM
Should have just bought a Leupold VX-3 2.5-8. It's the perfect fit for a 375. :tup:your not kidding. I got on paper at 25 then went to 110. Shot a group of 5 handloads. First 2. About a inch apart third was 6 low 4th split the difference and 5th went 4 inches low right. :bash: a group of factory loads had the same affect.
Good luck at the range. Sighting in a 375 is too expensive to do every couple of days!
I semt the scope back and will most likely be scope shopping this weekend... even if they replace with new i have lost trust in that scope.
Kind of looking at leupold vx2 3-9 x 40 in silver... or the zeiss (cheaper model) cant remember name in 3-9 x 40. They are both around 350-400$. Thats about all i can hack for another scope now... and i need to sell the vortex. Ill look at the vx3 2.5-8 also.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 15, 2014, 08:27:52 AM
Post by: yorketransport on August 15, 2014, 09:34:46 PM
As a sidenote, i managed to strip out a screw on my egw base while removing amd reinstalling it (completely my fault :bash: ). Called them and they sent new upgraded screws out today free of charge! :tup:
EGW is a great company!
You can find the VX-3 2.5-8 for just under $400 new, but I've seen used ones for around $300. I have an old Bushnell 3200 3-9x40 that I bought new for about $150 12 years ago which has survived life on everything from a 204 Ruger up to a pretty lengthy stay on a 458 Win Mag. The seals finally went out on it last year, but I wouldn't hesitate to throw it on a 375 H&H. :tup:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 17, 2014, 09:19:40 PM
Post by: coachcw on August 17, 2014, 09:32:05 PM
Post by: yorketransport on August 18, 2014, 08:33:23 PM
I ended up coming home with a vx-3 today... York, I tried and tried to talk myself into the 2.5-8X36 but just couldn't... got a 3.5-10x40. hoping this will fix everything up... cant shoot this week so ill have to wait till next week to report back.
This should fix all of your problems. :tup: You did kind of go crazy with your "high powered" magnification though. :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 26, 2014, 07:06:57 AM
need to make sure i do everything right and the gun will do its part. All dialed and ready to smack a moose in nov! Thanks for all the advice!
Post by: fremont on September 15, 2014, 07:59:04 PM
Post by: 334OKH on September 30, 2014, 11:47:00 AM
Post by: Rick on September 30, 2014, 12:28:17 PM
People who dont know any better say "FMJ/solids just zip thru game doing no damage... Think about that. A hole three quarters an inch wide thru both lungs
.375 = 3/4"
Is that Quilcene math...lol
Post by: birddogdad on October 01, 2014, 08:06:59 AM
People who dont know any better say "FMJ/solids just zip thru game doing no damage... Think about that. A hole three quarters an inch wide thru both lungs
.375 = 3/4"
Is that Quilcene math...lol
guess it would depend on how close you were to the math above! lol..
many have spoken against FMJ and yes there are other options... but if you havent actually used them, might be worth your evaluation (beyond some magazine or blog discussion)
Try setting a target up behind a real world 375 bump shoot application like shooting thru a vinemaple/reprod or pine growth patch or bushes , say 50yds, and 100yds, increasing the clutter between target and bench. See how some of this "optional "ammo is performing and then try heavy solids in same setup, even against hard cast loads... you may be surprised at your results...again, application or situation determines what i put in the pipe.. sited in for the 300+ yard open boattail bullet shots, but close quarters thick areas with FMJ is very effective, accurate, track within a couple inches of open scope sited flight path. Game cant take a close hit from a big bore and get far, hole size doesnt even matter. When the hole is all the way thru, bursting organs and bone, side shot or front to back or back to front with exit hole you can put index finger in....Situations when hunter pressure drives the smart game into the thick stuff hunkered down, i like my chances going in after them, again it depends on the situation but if i can increase my advantage, im all in... The H&H is my favorite gun, and IMO the most versatile rifle for anything North America has to offer, if you had to pick just one this would be it!
Post by: birddogdad on November 08, 2014, 09:50:09 PM
People who dont know any better say "FMJ/solids just zip thru game doing no damage... Think about that. A hole three quarters an inch wide thru both lungs sounds like plenty o damage to me four holes in two sets of lungs. When I elk hunt, I load with solids for the secobd or t hird shot, even in my 06. A millitary fmj isnt the same xritter as a solid
people can cringe away... here is a pic from my 375 h&h FMJ load exit at 180 yards this season on my elk. Standing head exposed from pine tree thicket, body visible but blocked with pine branches. Quartering facing shoulder entry and as you can see, plenty of expansion/energy transfer with this exit hole shown. 7 steps was all he took. This type of shot is not possible with many "options" that are out there. As previously discussed in the thread, this is my brush load and is not the preferred open shot which was easily racked out for just such an occasion ... the only downside to a FMJ load is the importance of verifying what is behind as it will travel thru and thru some more! :tup: