Post by: dpetrzelka on July 07, 2014, 09:09:50 AM
Deer calling is something I've not yet worked on and wondering if this is something that is applicable to Washington black tail - I have access to property on Whidbey and in Skagit that I'll be hunting in Sept.
I've read quite a lot about calling white tail in the early season with quiet dow grunts and contact calls, and wondering how that translates to early season black tail deer. Take a similar reserved approach? Be prepared to call in the case I need to keep one interested / stop one traveling through?
Would you recommend any specific call for black tail and a beginning archer?
Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
Post by: Tbar on July 07, 2014, 09:24:01 AM
Post by: kentrek on July 07, 2014, 09:51:57 AM
Idk where its at but one of the whitetail hunters on here posted a phonomonol thread on rattling, id highly recommend reading it
Goodluck :tup:
Post by: dpetrzelka on July 07, 2014, 10:18:46 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on July 07, 2014, 11:38:54 AM
Post by: chester on July 07, 2014, 11:55:55 AM
Post by: dpetrzelka on July 07, 2014, 02:53:26 PM
Double J - whats the thinking around scaring them off?
Are black tail no vocalizing in September, or is the thought that my calling skills will be to underdeveloped to be effective?
thanks all
Don't bother. You'll probably scare off more blacktail calling at all in September than you will ever attract. Find the beds, find the food, and find the trails that move between the two and sit on them
Post by: DoubleJ on July 07, 2014, 02:58:00 PM
Post by: dpetrzelka on July 07, 2014, 03:03:22 PM
Blacktail are by and far the least vocal of the 3 deer species we have in WA. I have only ever heard one make a noise one time, and that was after I had shot him. Chester is right about the fawn in distress. Early in Sept that'll get them spun up and maybe coming in but, you'll probably be bringing in pissed off does on high alert, not bucks. Keep in mind though, I only have my experience and the words of others to draw from. I'm far from an expert.
Post by: Curly on July 07, 2014, 03:07:50 PM
They claim it works on blacktails, but I haven't seen it work. It might, just not from what I've seen. :dunno:
Post by: DoubleJ on July 07, 2014, 03:09:31 PM
Until about the last week of Sept, the patterns they're in now will be the patterns they are in then. It's my main reason I love hunting Sept. I know in July where they'll be and how they'll act in Sept. Oct.-Dec. I hate that time but others love it so much they won't even hunt Sept. IMO, the deer are just too random after Sept.
Post by: dpetrzelka on July 07, 2014, 03:16:32 PM
I've been keeping a close eye on the black tail that frequent my 5 acres here in south Skagit county - we have a number that frequent our field of wild roses, and bed down in the alder grove at the base of the field. Enjoying watching their behavior - trying to get a sense of what movements I make call their attention and how to move to avoid them noticing. All practice for the field.
I guess I could try calling to these local deer and see how they respond (If I scared them away it wouldn't be the worst outcome, it would save a few of our apples and roses )
My best recommendation is to do what I had mentioned above. Scout now and find the food and beds. Find what their morning trails are and their evening trails and come Sept., set up on those trails. You'll screw it up and spook them out of the area while scouting, most likely but, they'll be back by Sept. so don't worry too much about it.
Until about the last week of Sept, the patterns they're in now will be the patterns they are in then. It's my main reason I love hunting Sept. I know in July where they'll be and how they'll act in Sept. Oct.-Dec. I hate that time but others love it so much they won't even hunt Sept. IMO, the deer are just too random after Sept.
Post by: DoubleJ on July 07, 2014, 09:36:38 PM
Post by: FLIZZ on July 08, 2014, 12:54:28 AM
Post by: dpetrzelka on July 09, 2014, 09:57:11 AM
Yes - I am. I'll send you a PM.
Dpetrzelka, you aren't by chance related to the boat builders are you?
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Post by: dpetrzelka on July 09, 2014, 03:39:07 PM
Dpetrzelka, you aren't by chance related to the boat builders are you?
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Post by: Bullets_n_Octane on July 29, 2014, 12:52:42 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on July 29, 2014, 08:55:10 AM
First a disclaimer, this is my first year preparing to hunt blacktail deer with a bow. I've been, and will be putting in many more hours at the Silver Bowmen Archery club - feeling very confident at 20-30 yards, and working on my 40 yard grouping.
Deer calling is something I've not yet worked on and wondering if this is something that is applicable to Washington black tail - I have access to property on Whidbey and in Skagit that I'll be hunting in Sept.
I've read quite a lot about calling white tail in the early season with quiet dow grunts and contact calls, and wondering how that translates to early season black tail deer. Take a similar reserved approach? Be prepared to call in the case I need to keep one interested / stop one traveling through?
Would you recommend any specific call for black tail and a beginning archer?
Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
What are your expectations? Any deer, doe, buck, trophy buck?
As stated, most calling techniques are going to work best later in the year. But if you are after any deer you can have great success with fawn distress in September. I have never called in a large buck with fawn distress, but have called in several spikes and two points along with hundreds of antlerless blacktail.
Post by: dpetrzelka on July 29, 2014, 10:33:52 AM
Its all about learning at this point.
Any thoughts on what call I should look at for starting out?
Post by: billythekidrock on July 29, 2014, 10:47:56 AM
But if you want to try and call in a deer I would suggest contacting Bearmanrick on this site and get one of his closed reed calls. Let him know you want it for fawn distress.
Post by: elk247 on July 29, 2014, 10:55:40 AM
Post by: dpetrzelka on July 29, 2014, 11:02:39 AM
My resources may be best put toward miles hiking, and some decent glass.
And of course, hours on the archery range.
Post by: elk247 on July 29, 2014, 12:29:22 PM
Post by: kentrek on July 29, 2014, 12:57:04 PM
I wouldnt even be afraid to rattle...September these bucks are all establishing a pecking order
Idk where its at but one of the whitetail hunters on here posted a phonomonol thread on rattling, id highly recommend reading it
Goodluck :tup:
i should clarify that calling in September might be very ineffective and ive had very little luck at calling in bts any time of year
but ive had watched bucks call in other bucks out of the wood work while sparing
this is toward late September
just an observation :tup: