Post by: Bean Counter on July 10, 2014, 01:18:19 AM
Post by: huntnnw on July 10, 2014, 02:21:25 AM
Post by: rasbo on July 10, 2014, 03:34:25 AM
Post by: Curly on July 10, 2014, 04:16:46 AM
IDK about AZ but I love the spring bear here..Yeah. Spring bear here is really good.
Post by: Bean Counter on July 10, 2014, 05:19:24 AM
Post by: RadSav on July 10, 2014, 05:37:53 AM
He replies "Naw spring bear meat is no good because they're just waking up from hibernation. So he left it for the birds." I was like: :yike: ?! IDK if this is legal or not but sounds incredibly wasteful. I have only had bear a few times but didn't think it could vary that much in quality. Comments?
Why would bear in AZ hibernate? Legal or not I'd been giving him some strong words for thought. The AZ bear I've eaten have all been fantastic! Bad worm infestation would be the only time I'd ever waste a bear fall or spring.
Post by: grundy53 on July 10, 2014, 06:10:10 AM
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Post by: billythekidrock on July 10, 2014, 06:17:19 AM
Sounds like he was just lazy and only wanted a trophy. I think that kind of stuff gives good hunters a bad name.
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Post by: Dhoey07 on July 10, 2014, 07:15:09 AM
He replies "Naw spring bear meat is no good because they're just waking up from hibernation. So he left it for the birds." I was like: :yike: ?! IDK if this is legal or not but sounds incredibly wasteful. I have only had bear a few times but didn't think it could vary that much in quality. Comments?
Why would bear in AZ hibernate? Legal or not I'd been giving him some strong words for thought. The AZ bear I've eaten have all been fantastic! Bad worm infestation would be the only time I'd ever waste a bear fall or spring.
Why wouldn't they hibernate? They have about 30 peaks over 10k feet.
Post by: RadSav on July 10, 2014, 07:50:39 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 10, 2014, 07:58:00 AM
Post by: Stein on July 10, 2014, 08:03:02 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 10, 2014, 08:23:34 AM
He replies "Naw spring bear meat is no good because they're just waking up from hibernation. So he left it for the birds." I was like: :yike: ?! IDK if this is legal or not but sounds incredibly wasteful. I have only had bear a few times but didn't think it could vary that much in quality. Comments?
Why would bear in AZ hibernate? Legal or not I'd been giving him some strong words for thought. The AZ bear I've eaten have all been fantastic! Bad worm infestation would be the only time I'd ever waste a bear fall or spring.
Why wouldn't they hibernate? They have about 30 peaks over 10k feet.
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Well I'd say most bears don't live on top of mountains like the Grinch on Mt. Crumpet and secondly, 10,000 feet in AZ isn't like 10,000 feet here in WA. Bears don't hibernate because of elevation, they don't even do it because of the cold. We have Mt Rainier over 14,000 feet and that doesn't affect the bears on the Penninsula
They do it when there is a food shortage. In places without significant food shortages (Carolinas, Georgia, SE Alaska) there is little to no hibernation.
Post by: Dhoey07 on July 10, 2014, 08:26:40 AM
Post by: runamuk on July 10, 2014, 08:34:37 AM
Post by: woodman on July 10, 2014, 08:36:32 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 10, 2014, 08:51:22 AM
I'm just saying that there are spots where bears might hibernate.
;)
Post by: Kittman on July 10, 2014, 09:00:07 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 10, 2014, 10:24:45 AM
My belief is that the meat should be hauled out and used. If you are worried about the taste, should you even be hunting it at all. Also, you could have it made into sausage and pepperoni. I have always said that I think that my butcher could make sawdust taste good as sausage with all of the spices and such that he uses.
:yeah: Why hunt it if you're just leaving the meat behind. Trophy hunters kind of scare me - seems serial killer-ish.
Curtis
Post by: runamuk on July 10, 2014, 10:39:11 AM
Personally, I would have a hard time believing that any bear meat properly rubbed & seasoned and put in a smoker for 16 or so hours would not be good eating.
well talk to Alaskans who live with and eat bear, apparently salmon eating bears taste like dead fish :dunno: they will use the meat for the dogs, and the hides are always kept and used...
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 10, 2014, 10:41:00 AM
Personally, I would have a hard time believing that any bear meat properly rubbed & seasoned and put in a smoker for 16 or so hours would not be good eating.
well talk to Alaskans who live with and eat bear, apparently salmon eating bears taste like dead fish :dunno: they will use the meat for the dogs, and the hides are always kept and used...
That makes sense - if the tag is cheap enough then the meat would be good dog food, so I guess I have to stand a little corrected on my previous statement.
I've heard the same thing. My dad grew up in Alaska and has always hated bear meat because of it.
Post by: Kittman on July 10, 2014, 11:05:31 AM
Post by: runamuk on July 10, 2014, 11:12:14 AM
I don't need to talk to Alaskans about their Grizzly Bear meat situation, this is a Hunt-WA site. I've harvested a couple of black bears in this state over the years. The first one was better the at second one. So the second one became sausage. The point here is there is no good excuse to waste after harvesting.and the OP was talking about bears in Arizona :dunno: so not from here so possibly does relate to AK in that its a different place with different forage and just generally different than here.
The only bear I ever ate was from here as a kid we ate lots of bear sausage it was awesome....my sisters then moved to Alaska and experienced bear that tastes nasty like dead fish.... I have not eaten bear from AZ where they may be eating who knows what :dunno: its like the difference between grass finished beef with that gamey fat and grain finished beef with delicious fat :dunno:
Post by: Kittman on July 10, 2014, 11:26:41 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on July 10, 2014, 02:01:56 PM
Why would bear in AZ hibernate? Legal or not I'd been giving him some strong words for thought. The AZ bear I've eaten have all been fantastic! Bad worm infestation would be the only time I'd ever waste a bear fall or spring.
I was talking to the son who doesn't strike me as a hunter. It would have seemed weird to me to give him the third degree about something his dad chose. Its possible it was left with a guide or he was hunting on the Rez or something. Legal or not the wastage bothers me more than if he had done something overtly illegal like hunting over bait, just my opinion though. :twocents:
Post by: MisplacedAlaskan on July 10, 2014, 04:15:33 PM
Post by: RadSav on July 10, 2014, 05:13:23 PM
I almost did not make the trip to the remote NWT location for my sheep and caribou because I feared of the waste from being unable to return with the majority of meat. After a long talk with the outfitter I was assured the meat would not be left for the birds and wolves. I was so pleased when we landed in Norman Wells to see families waiting for us at the air field. I had never thought in the remote wilderness so many would have a shortage of meat. But there are few access points for the poor and disabled to actually obtain it for themselves. And shipping beef in to such location certainly is not a cost effective proposal for any but the wealthiest among them. After the greetings and many thanks I almost felt guilty I had not left more.
If these AZ hunters were hunting on the San Carlos I doubt it went to waste. Each time I have been there everything the hunter chose not to take the tribes were happy to consume. With as good eating as those bear are in that region I personally hope that is the case. In my experience that is quite the well run reservation. And the animals there are treated with great respect!
Post by: sled on July 10, 2014, 05:52:49 PM
Post by: mountainman on July 10, 2014, 06:02:01 PM
Post by: Payne on July 11, 2014, 01:59:02 AM
Post by: runamuk on July 11, 2014, 05:12:58 AM
If we are gonna discuss ethics whose ethics get to prevail? yours, mine, the vegan member of peta? Again I would say follow the laws of each state as written, and follow your own instincts can you look in the mirror and feel good if so then its ethical for you :dunno:
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 11, 2014, 08:33:50 AM
so coyotes rockchucks what about beaver, muskrat, fox, crows? I am just always curious where this line is drawn....the you must consume it for it show respect line? my beliefs have changed over time as I reconsider conservation and nature as a whole and not a sum of its parts. All animals deserve respect...except sharks I dont like them at all.....they can all be crab bait.
If we are gonna discuss ethics whose ethics get to prevail? yours, mine, the vegan member of peta? Again I would say follow the laws of each state as written, and follow your own instincts can you look in the mirror and feel good if so then its ethical for you :dunno:
Beaver, muskrat and fox are all furbearers. I kill them and sell their fur, leather and castor. Then I use their meat to trap with. I don't think an animal has to be eaten to be ethically utilized (I know you didn't say that)
Post by: Payne on July 11, 2014, 10:45:44 AM
If we are gonna discuss ethics whose ethics get to prevail? yours, mine, the vegan member of peta? Again I would say follow the laws of each state as written, and follow your own instincts can you look in the mirror and feel good if so then its ethical for you
I agree with this in that people just need to follow the laws and within those laws individually do what's right for them. I definitely am not out for my ethics to prevail. I would rather that people have the choice.
Post by: singleshot12 on July 11, 2014, 10:59:15 AM
Post by: Alchase on July 11, 2014, 12:35:23 PM
If we are gonna discuss ethics whose ethics get to prevail? yours, mine, the vegan member of peta?
Well mine of course, especially when we are discussing those fish eatin, hibernatin above 10,000 feet bears that have rubbed their hair off and meat stinky.
:chuckle:
Post by: EyeTooth on July 11, 2014, 05:07:16 PM
Post by: MisplacedAlaskan on July 11, 2014, 06:25:22 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 12, 2014, 08:43:23 PM
Post by: boomstick on July 13, 2014, 06:59:14 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on July 13, 2014, 07:06:47 AM
It's all Persenal ethics, I can careless what someone does with their meat and I won't preach or defend what I do with mine. To each their own.
As long as we're talking about wild game meat. :chuckle:
Post by: mountainman on July 13, 2014, 08:45:05 AM
:chuckle: :chuckle:It's all Persenal ethics, I can careless what someone does with their meat and I won't preach or defend what I do with mine. To each their own.
As long as we're talking about wild game meat. :chuckle:
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 13, 2014, 08:54:59 AM
Post by: MarkyMark on July 13, 2014, 09:29:00 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on July 13, 2014, 09:58:17 AM
Not to jack this thread but how do you make dog food out of your game meat?
feed raw.. dogs tend to be much healthier on a raw diet anyways :twocents:
Post by: klikboom on July 13, 2014, 10:14:29 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on July 13, 2014, 10:18:46 AM
Post by: runamuk on July 13, 2014, 11:25:15 AM
The old Norwegian fisherman I grew up with would put all the fish scraps into canning jars and pressure cook it until it was basically mush. They had dogs that only ate this their entire lives with a few table scaps and they were healthy happy dogs even at 17 and 18 big collies not small dogs. I fed raw for a while when I raised sheep and had lots of access to scrap meat, I also have made my own dog diets at times using meat barley and veggies cooked then frozen. most of my dogs that haven't gotten cancer and even some that have lived to be 15-17.
If I was gonna do it again I think pressure cooking would be the way i would go. My sister helps with drying fish for people and for the sled dogs, they eat a lot of dried meats up in the village.
Post by: singleshot12 on July 13, 2014, 02:35:32 PM
actually if you feed raw you want to avoid all kibble and processed food as it digests differently and leads to gas bloat and blasting craps.....
Hmm? that's kinda wierd,never had that happen with my dogs. But I feed them alot of cooked rice and raw vegies with their kibble too..never over do the raw meat or kibble either :dunno:
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 13, 2014, 04:23:51 PM
It's all Persenal ethics, I can careless what someone does with their meat and I won't preach or defend what I do with mine. To each their own.
As long as we're talking about wild game meat. :chuckle:
Either/ Or... It's all the same. :tup:
Post by: mountainman on July 14, 2014, 09:35:43 AM
Getting a might personal there..?It's all Persenal ethics, I can careless what someone does with their meat and I won't preach or defend what I do with mine. To each their own.
As long as we're talking about wild game meat. :chuckle:
Post by: Curly on July 14, 2014, 09:58:25 AM
I have changed my stance on that because of the large amount of predators around. I now don't have any problem wasting a coyote, wolf, cougar, bobcat, or even a bear for that matter as lonog as it is legal to do so. Any predator can be left in my book as long as it's legal. There are just too damned many predators these days and if someone doesn't want to eat the meat, that is their choice and I sure won't judge them harshly for it. :twocents: (I might think they're crazy for not eating spring bear since it is so good in my experience, but it's their decision).
Post by: mountainman on July 14, 2014, 10:47:06 AM
Post by: Curly on July 14, 2014, 11:03:12 AM
Not many here have a problem with not eating a" predator". But in Washington state, it is illegal and wasteful to leave a bear in the woods. Eat it or not, you need to pack it out..
Right. In this state you can't leave anything you shoot. But in some states you can leave Bears........(Idaho I know you don't have to pack it out). In Idaho and Oregon you don't have to eat cougar meat.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on July 14, 2014, 11:05:35 AM
Post by: AKBowman on July 23, 2014, 11:21:07 PM
Growing up in AK I had tons of opportunity to kill bears but never wanted to because you don't eat me up there. Can't even cook a piece of one without running the whole house out from the smell. They taste like what they eat and rotten salmon is pretty gross.
I've heard nothing but good things about bear meat down here. I would imagine so from the poo I've seen it's almost 100% berries and this is a great berry year so they should be extra tasty!