Post by: acnewman55 on July 14, 2014, 05:01:10 PM
I've seen a lot of rounds out there for bear defense, starting around 180 and up to 200 for the .357 mag - though it seems like most folks are recommending them for a 4" barrel on a GP101. I realize these heavy rounds will be harder to handle in the smaller framed SP101. :yike:
Just wondering if anyone had any experience shooting these heavier rounds from the 3 1/16" barrel, and/or if anyone had a recommendation for a bear defense load in the lighter SP101. :dunno:
Post by: superdown on July 14, 2014, 05:15:28 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 14, 2014, 08:11:30 PM
Federal "CastCore" or Cor-Bon "Hard Cast" would work fine for you.
Post by: mountainman on July 14, 2014, 10:32:42 PM
Post by: acnewman55 on July 15, 2014, 12:33:15 PM
Best defence is staying alert and observant in bear country..
good point, i hadn't thought of that. i WAS planning to romp through the woods blindfolded with earmuffs on.
this time, I'll try very hard to not be attacked by a bear. then i'll carry the gun as a backup plan in case my efforts fail.
thank you for the post.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on July 15, 2014, 01:39:11 PM
Just my 2cents.
-Steve
Post by: westsidehntr on July 15, 2014, 02:14:40 PM
Best defence is staying alert and observant in bear country..
good point, i hadn't thought of that. i WAS planning to romp through the woods blindfolded with earmuffs on.
this time, I'll try very hard to not be attacked by a bear. then i'll carry the gun as a backup plan in case my efforts fail.
thank you for the post.
:chuckle: Hey watch out your sarcasm is dripping all over everyone!!
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 15, 2014, 05:53:35 PM
Best defence is staying alert and observant in bear country..
good point, i hadn't thought of that. i WAS planning to romp through the woods blindfolded with earmuffs on.
this time, I'll try very hard to not be attacked by a bear. then i'll carry the gun as a backup plan in case my efforts fail.
thank you for the post.
Ah Hahahahaha! :brew:
Post by: actionshooter on July 15, 2014, 06:44:12 PM
Best defence is staying alert and observant in bear country..
good point, i hadn't thought of that. i WAS planning to romp through the woods blindfolded with earmuffs on.
this time, I'll try very hard to not be attacked by a bear. then i'll carry the gun as a backup plan in case my efforts fail.
thank you for the post.
:)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 15, 2014, 06:46:34 PM
Post by: mountainman on July 15, 2014, 08:00:10 PM
Lol...wasn't meant as a jab to you carrying a handgun..I always do myself.and used it several times in defense. Just pointing out the reality that the odds of needing it are, in reality, very slim. Often, hunters find themselves in less then favorable situations by not being attentive in country that bears inhabit. By your comment, you seem to take it personal, which wasn't my intent. Apology if I offended you.Best defence is staying alert and observant in bear country..
good point, i hadn't thought of that. i WAS planning to romp through the woods blindfolded with earmuffs on.
this time, I'll try very hard to not be attacked by a bear. then i'll carry the gun as a backup plan in case my efforts fail.
thank you for the post.
Post by: Bofire on July 15, 2014, 08:05:10 PM
Carl
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 15, 2014, 08:46:37 PM
:) carry your 101 in a pork chop holster. let the bear eat it then start shooting! of course you have to hang on to the pork chop!
Carl
:chuckle:
Post by: acnewman55 on July 16, 2014, 02:41:58 PM
Lol...wasn't meant as a jab to you carrying a handgun..I always do myself.and used it several times in defense. Just pointing out the reality that the odds of needing it are, in reality, very slim. Often, hunters find themselves in less then favorable situations by not being attentive in country that bears inhabit. By your comment, you seem to take it personal, which wasn't my intent. Apology if I offended you.Best defence is staying alert and observant in bear country..
good point, i hadn't thought of that. i WAS planning to romp through the woods blindfolded with earmuffs on.
this time, I'll try very hard to not be attacked by a bear. then i'll carry the gun as a backup plan in case my efforts fail.
thank you for the post.
nah, no offense taken. it's good advice. probably not more than a few folks on this entire forum that ever had to use their sidearm in the woods against an aggressive critter.
at the end of the day, the sidearm helps me sleep better in the woods - doesn't mean you should safely store your food/trash in a tree and take care to prevent attracting bears, just nice to know that you have the "just in case" box checked.
Post by: mountainman on July 16, 2014, 03:10:55 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on July 16, 2014, 06:15:23 PM
Best defence is staying alert and observant in bear country..
good point, i hadn't thought of that. i WAS planning to romp through the woods blindfolded with earmuffs on.
this time, I'll try very hard to not be attacked by a bear. then i'll carry the gun as a backup plan in case my efforts fail.
thank you for the post.
Funniest post of the month award winner here...
Post by: demontang on July 23, 2014, 06:38:34 PM
Post by: follow maggie on July 23, 2014, 07:49:31 PM
Best defence is staying alert and observant in bear country..
good point, i hadn't thought of that. i WAS planning to romp through the woods blindfolded with earmuffs on.
this time, I'll try very hard to not be attacked by a bear. then i'll carry the gun as a backup plan in case my efforts fail.
thank you for the post.
That's funny, I don't care who you are
Post by: fisheral87 on August 02, 2014, 08:34:00 AM
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Even a very good hunter can find themselves in an unintentional situation with wild critters once in a while. I've been there.. Done that. I got between a sow and her triple clubs once. An uncomfortable feeling to say the least. Even a bluff charge will scare the label off my fruit of the looms! 44mag was in hand that time. But I too pack a lighter SP101 on occasion. With the shorter barrel you really need to drop in bullet weight as there just isn't enough barrel to finish the powder burnout with the powders used for heavier bullets in longer barrels. A hard cast 147gn - 160gn lead RN or even ball (jacketed round nose), will develop more terminal velocity and have deeper penetration than most SWC or especially HP bullets in 357mag short barrel velocities. For a bear at close range with what most would term as a slightly under powered handgun/cartridge combination, you're looking for penetration to the boiler room, spine or an ear/eye shot. Under the throat for a neck/spine shot would also be acceptable as a severe deterrent to further aggression. Leave the heavy bullets to longer barrels.
Just my 2cents.
-Steve
I'm trying to make the same decision.
Steve, for example, you would prefer say Federal's 158gr JSP vs. Buffalo Bore's 180gr hard cast round out of the sp101 3 1/16?
I don't reload so I am trying to work with factory options.
Thank you,
Al
Post by: Stein on August 02, 2014, 09:10:34 AM
Post by: splitshot on August 11, 2014, 01:32:53 PM
Post by: acnewman55 on August 12, 2014, 09:13:50 AM
ac, where did you get your sp101 and how much was it? mike w
I had been looking for a while. Ended up getting it at Outdoor Emporium in Seattle. $510 with my membership. It's the spurred 3 1/16" barrel.
Post by: AWS on August 12, 2014, 10:32:03 AM
Post by: Stein on August 12, 2014, 08:28:58 PM
This is what i carry when bow hunting if i grab the girlfriends j frame. It will sure wake you up at the range :yike: https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=100 (https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=100)
That is what I use in the LCR although I wonder what would hurt worse - a bear bite or cranking 5 of those off.
Post by: superdown on August 13, 2014, 10:36:38 AM
Well it sure takes some getting used to. gloves really help.She wanted a semi auto so we sold her j frame and got her a kahr cw 40 so i will pick some of this up and see if it is accurate. http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.php?route=product/product&path=125_182&product_id=607 (http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.php?route=product/product&path=125_182&product_id=607)This is what i carry when bow hunting if i grab the girlfriends j frame. It will sure wake you up at the range :yike: https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=100 (https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=100)
That is what I use in the LCR although I wonder what would hurt worse - a bear bite or cranking 5 of those off.
Post by: BiggLuke on August 13, 2014, 10:35:24 PM
Either the noise from the first shot will scare off an interested bear.....
or.....
you save the other 5 shots to stick in his mouth when he's on top of you.
Works just fine..
:chuckle:
But no... seriously... all you really need is a .22lr.
Cause if a bear is going to attack you, you just need one .22lr round... to shoot your buddy in the leg with as you high tail it out of there. The bear will be more into your friend at that point.
:chuckle:
Sorry, couldn't help myself...
I actually pack the hydra shocks.
Because of thier explosive bullet expansion, in a pinch I want that bear... or human... to have a piece of his ass gone if it actually comes down to game time.
Plus, the low recoil makes them super acurate comparitively.