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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: Gringo31 on July 23, 2014, 04:30:35 PM

Title: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: Gringo31 on July 23, 2014, 04:30:35 PM: Took this pic yesterday, got me wondering how guys would read this in the field or how safe this buck would be come season. Thought I'd start my first poll....

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Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck
Post by: Buckmark on July 23, 2014, 04:42:20 PM: I did not vote because none of the shoot options you listed make it clear that it is a legal buck, which by the photo i would be.

That eye guard is just fine, and if i am archery hunting i would of been waiting this part of the field out so i would of seen him for awhile and at a few angles so i would also know if he is a 3 on that one side.

I hunt an area very similar to this and knowing were the deer enter or exit a field i often setup and wait, so i get to see some of them for a while.

Assuming i have looked him over and he is a 3 i'm letting the air out of him.
Or i have looked him over and he is only a 2 on that side, but with that eye guard again i'm letting the air out of him...
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck
Post by: Eli346 on July 23, 2014, 04:43:58 PM: He looks like a forky on the left side with a half inch eyeguard. The other side may be a spike with a smaller eyeguard. If it's a 3 pt area I'd pass even if he did have the 3rd point just because I know there's a better buck out there. I wouldn't fault anyone who shot it if it's legal. That's some good vittles right there. A trophy for anybody that's hungry!
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck
Post by: Woodchuck on July 23, 2014, 04:49:26 PM: I am not 100% on the eyeguard. I pass on that particular shot.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: Gringo31 on July 23, 2014, 05:05:29 PM: I modified to be clear this is a 3pt area. The responses so far are just what I'm looking for. One guys says eye guard is good so shoot, next guy says not good.

What say you?
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: Bigshooter on July 23, 2014, 05:05:37 PM: I wouldn't shoot him if that eye guard was 6 inches long.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: Gringo31 on July 23, 2014, 05:07:17 PM: So you're not a fan of culling the undesirables? :chuckle:
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: Bigshooter on July 23, 2014, 05:10:35 PM: Quote from: Gringo31 on July 23, 2014, 05:07:17 PM
So you're not a fan of culling the undesirables? :chuckle:

No..........but there are plenty of hunters who are so I will let them do the culling.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: ghosthunter on July 23, 2014, 05:26:22 PM: I am a meat hunter. You could hang your wedding ring on that eye guard.

Boom dead. :tup:
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: Stein on July 23, 2014, 05:40:19 PM: Looks comfortably over 1" long to me, call my wife and have her start cutting freezer paper.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on July 23, 2014, 05:43:46 PM: Id ground check him for sure
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: grundy53 on July 23, 2014, 05:45:13 PM: I'm not sure about that eye guard so I will pass. If the eye guard was a little longer I would take the shot.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: PolarBear on July 23, 2014, 05:50:11 PM: Not even if it was legal.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: huntnphool on July 23, 2014, 06:16:28 PM: Not what I'm looking for but he is legal.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 23, 2014, 06:38:45 PM: If one wants to slap the trigger on him, he's a legit buck by Washington States " 3 Point " description.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: RB on July 23, 2014, 07:02:40 PM: Quote from: ghosthunter on July 23, 2014, 05:26:22 PM
I am a meat hunter. You could hang your wedding ring on that eye guard.

Boom dead. :tup:
:yeah:

it is an obvious eye guard at least 1 inch pepperoni and burger for the family!
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: Hunterman on July 23, 2014, 07:04:54 PM: In my camp that is a big forked horn. I don't care what the game department say's about the eye guard rule (one of the dumbest) calling an eye guard a point. Yep he walks.

Hunterman(Tony)
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: snowpack on July 23, 2014, 07:17:20 PM: Quote from: grundy53 on July 23, 2014, 05:45:13 PM
I'm not sure about that eye guard so I will pass. If the eye guard was a little longer I would take the shot.
:yeah:
I'm borderline on the brow tine. If convinced legal...dead deer.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: 724wd on July 23, 2014, 08:04:59 PM: meat is my mission. dead deer :tup:
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: ing on July 23, 2014, 09:11:02 PM: Legal
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: Mike450r on July 23, 2014, 09:20:06 PM: I say it's legal but also a good advertisement for quality optics. Get that guy at 100 plus yards and cheap glass will drive you crazy trying to figure him out.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: GONEHUNTIN on July 24, 2014, 12:12:17 AM: to me it is hard to say ill let him go. Funny I ask my two kids. age 14 and 16. They said illegal cant shoot him. Wise kids and good judgement.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: bearpaw on July 24, 2014, 12:32:56 AM: First, I'm not interested in shooting him at all.

Once he finishes growing and rubs that velvet off that eye gaurd may be an inch long, but if he rubbed tomorrow I'm not sure he would be legal for anyone, he might only be 3/4 or 7/8 on that eye guard after rubbing, I think he needs to add a little to that eye guard before a guy can be safe for sure. :twocents:
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: bearkautz on July 24, 2014, 01:14:33 AM: I'd pass .
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: coachcw on July 24, 2014, 06:31:05 AM: pass . maybe a first time hunter if your sure its a inch . he would get a good look before I let someone squeeze off .
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: CP on July 24, 2014, 06:39:01 AM: His ribs are sticking out; I'd look for something fatter.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: adamR on July 24, 2014, 06:52:58 AM: I'd say that eye guard is long enough but I wouldn't shoot him til the last day
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: tonymiller7 on July 24, 2014, 07:25:35 AM: The velvet makes it tougher to tell the length of that eyeguard. With the velvet off, I'm pretty sure I'd turn him into venison.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: Curly on July 24, 2014, 08:51:12 AM: For the guys saying he's a legal buck, how can you be certain until he is on the ground? That eye guard might be 1" but then it could be 1/2"...........I'd be worried that he wouldn't quite measure up.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: Gringo31 on July 24, 2014, 09:07:09 AM: Trying to avoid those who would pass because of size. Looking for who thinks he's legal who thinks he's not. When I looked at him I thought he was right on the line and as Dale said, when that velvet rubs off....wondering....

Another pic.

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Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: h20hunter on July 24, 2014, 09:08:05 AM: Once that velvet rubs off and I'm 100% sure he is legal I'd smack him.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: deltaops on July 24, 2014, 09:09:25 AM: Maybe the answers are not set up correctly or maybe I am just reading to deep into this.

The answers seem to ask what I would do right now, but the question is when the season is upon me.

Well what season?

If it was me I would take the shot because I hunt modern and I am pretty sure the eye guard would be at least an inch if not more. However, if it was not, of course I would have to let him pass.

If I knew it was legal, I would shoot it. If I wasn't sure, I would let him walk.

For the record, I didn't answer the poll.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: tonymiller7 on July 24, 2014, 09:14:42 AM: Not trying to stir the pot, but more curious...Has anyone ever had a GW measure the length of a point?
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: 1bugman on July 24, 2014, 09:16:22 AM: Quote from: Curly on July 24, 2014, 08:51:12 AM
For the guys saying he's a legal buck, how can you be certain until he is on the ground? That eye guard might be 1" but then it could be 1/2"...........I'd be worried that he wouldn't quite measure up.
I think it's over an 1" and would put him down. The old a game Reg's had a little picture showing where to measure from (I think it showed from the center of the main beam), now they just say the "longest side" really wish they would be more clear. :bash: I hate having to debate the meaning of an 1". I think it sets people up for failure not success. The camp I hunt with found a two point with eye guard that some one left on the ground last year. What a waste. it did get us talking about what is legal and what is not.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: turkeyfeather on July 24, 2014, 09:17:40 AM: He looks like he could be dinner to me. :drool:
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: Curly on July 24, 2014, 09:21:17 AM: There is a member on here that told a story of getting a citation for shooting a buck. I don't remember if it had eye guards or just 3 points, but the game warden measured it differently than what the regs describe (the warden measured from the short side) and the guy got a ticket. If I remember right it was a little over an inch on the long side, but slightly less on the short side and the warden cited him. He went to court and who do you think the judge agreed with?........the warden of course. I wouldn't shoot anything that was just marginal/questionable, but that's just me.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: huntingfool7 on July 24, 2014, 09:26:28 AM: Quote from: tonymiller7 on July 24, 2014, 07:25:35 AM
The velvet makes it tougher to tell the length of that eyeguard. With the velvet off, I'm pretty sure I'd turn him into venison.
The velvet is the same length on the beam as it is on the point. It's not hiding anything.

Legal...Boom!....Tag.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: CP on July 24, 2014, 09:27:10 AM: Say you shot him and a ground checked showed that point was less than 1” when measured on the long side. What would you do then?

Maybe we need a new poll.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 24, 2014, 09:29:17 AM: Quote from: bearpaw on July 24, 2014, 12:32:56 AM
First, I'm not interested in shooting him at all.

Once he finishes growing and rubs that velvet off that eye gaurd may be an inch long, but if he rubbed tomorrow I'm not sure he would be legal for anyone, he might only be 3/4 or 7/8 on that eye guard after rubbing, I think he needs to add a little to that eye guard before a guy can be safe for sure. :twocents:
:yeah: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: tonymiller7 on July 24, 2014, 09:34:32 AM: Quote from: CP on July 24, 2014, 09:27:10 AM
Say you shot him and a ground checked showed that point was less than 1” when measured on the long side. What would you do then?

Maybe we need a new poll.

Tag him anyway, and take my chances with the GW!!!

But to me it does seem obvious that's over an inch.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: 1bugman on July 24, 2014, 09:37:26 AM: Quote from: CP on July 24, 2014, 09:27:10 AM
Say you shot him and a ground checked showed that point was less than 1” when measured on the long side. What would you do then?

Maybe we need a new poll.

I'm not wasting meat. I'd put my tag on him and take my chances. Another question is, What is the definition of the "longest Side"?
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: huntingfool7 on July 24, 2014, 09:39:00 AM: Quote from: CP on July 24, 2014, 09:27:10 AM
Say you shot him and a ground checked showed that point was less than 1” when measured on the long side. What would you do then?

Maybe we need a new poll.

For those saying that's not an inch...I don't want to know what you're packing or what you tell your girlfriends.

I say that's a legal deer and I'd bet double the fine that would prove out on the ground. But then, I have micrometers in my eye and I'm really comfortable with an inch! :chuckle:
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: Buckmark on July 24, 2014, 09:42:31 AM: I think its funny how some guys are breaking the law and shooting a deer during archery season :chuckle:
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: PolarBear on July 24, 2014, 09:46:09 AM: Rule of thumb, if there is ANY doubt, pass! Taking the chance that it may or may not be legal (borderline) is nothing short of poaching.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: huntingfool7 on July 24, 2014, 09:46:19 AM: Quote from: Buckmark on July 24, 2014, 09:42:31 AM
I think its funny how some guys are breaking the law and shooting a deer during archery season :chuckle:

OOOPPPS :chuckle: Was a little premature there. Sorry :tung:

Legal...THWACK?!...Tag.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: autodink13 on July 24, 2014, 09:10:17 PM: I'm usually an optimist but I don't think that eyeguards an inch.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: JJB11B on July 24, 2014, 09:18:56 PM: Ive gone crosseyed trying to stretch eyeguards through a rifle scope before..I wouldn't risk that one.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: 1bugman on July 25, 2014, 10:23:26 AM: Wish a Warden would weigh in and give their perspective. Maybe the interpretation of the law.
:twocents: :dunno:
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on July 25, 2014, 02:29:26 PM: I'm passing because I'm not sure that brow tine is an inch long.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: HunterStrait on July 25, 2014, 02:38:15 PM: I'm going with what bearpaw said.
I wouldn't shoot him untill i know whats under that velvet.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: raydog on July 25, 2014, 09:15:35 PM: Say it's archery season and you shoot it. And the velvet is still on the eyeguard, do you get to add the fraction of an inch to the total length of the eyeguard????? Or is the Gamie gonna try and shave that velvet off :dunno: :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: bassquatch on July 25, 2014, 10:03:15 PM: Take that weirdo out of the gene pool before he has any more chances to breed! :bfg: :archery_smiley:
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: Moose1134 on July 26, 2014, 06:32:37 AM: Looks like at least an inch to me. I'd take the chance. rather eat that than eat a tag... Again.
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: 1bugman on July 26, 2014, 07:35:24 AM: Strait from the Regulations:

Antler Point-Deer: A projection off any part of
the antler measuring at least one (1) inch in
length measured from the longest side. Eye
guards are antler points if they at least 1
inch long.

I still thing the wording "Measured from the longest side" is ambiguous.

PS sorry for the $5 word :chuckle:
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: PA BEN on July 26, 2014, 07:49:55 AM: If I'm archery hunting he will be close enough to tell if he is legal. If I'm not 100% sure I won't take the shot. That picture does't tell me 100% or not. Now I hunt with bino's and use them. :tup:
Title: Re: Poll: Who would shoot as a legal buck in 3pt min area
Post by: hunterbuilder on July 26, 2014, 09:16:15 PM: Not sure, definitely pass! There is no "fine" for shooting a buck in a 3 point area with 2 points and a 3/4 or 7/8" eyeguard. If the game warden measures and it's under 1" he will confiscate the deer and cite you for shooting a 2 point deer out of season (poaching). You will have a mandatory court date before a judge in the jurisdiction you shot the deer in. Not worth the trouble. Just sayin.