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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: KFhunter on July 26, 2014, 05:55:16 PM

Title: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: KFhunter on July 26, 2014, 05:55:16 PM: I'm tempted - probably be solo'n this year.

anyone else?
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: Wazukie on July 26, 2014, 06:30:04 PM: I think E-callers are illegal for deer and elk aren't they :dunno:
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: Bango skank on July 26, 2014, 06:31:24 PM: Last couple years the regs pamphlet has only said illegal for deer and turkey. No mention of elk anymore.
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: Wazukie on July 26, 2014, 06:33:17 PM: Quote from: Bango skank on July 26, 2014, 06:31:24 PM
Last couple years the regs pamphlet has only said illegal for deer and turkey. No mention of elk anymore.

Hmmm, interesting.
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on July 26, 2014, 06:46:40 PM: I'd say "yes" to a decoy in certain situations but no to an electronic caller, even if they're legal. Elkmountaingear's slip system is multi-purpose (camo slip and elk butt slip), and, the new Poison Arrow decoy cow face is in my quiver already. Back to calling sir, a hunter needs to be ready to make the right sound at the right time to be an effective caller so I don't believe the electronic thing is the key to success during the rut... just my opinion.
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: KFhunter on July 26, 2014, 09:30:31 PM: Quote from: Phantom16 on July 26, 2014, 06:46:40 PM
I'd say "yes" to a decoy in certain situations but no to an electronic caller, even if they're legal. Elkmountaingear's slip system is multi-purpose (camo slip and elk butt slip), and, the new Poison Arrow decoy cow face is in my quiver already. Back to calling sir, a hunter needs to be ready to make the right sound at the right time to be an effective caller so I don't believe the electronic thing is the key to success during the rut... just my opinion.

A guy could put dozens of calls on a FoxPro and cycle through calls pretty fast...I dunno

I got a few Elk calls on my FoxPro and they sound really good, I actually practice with them before I go out - talking back and forth with my FoxPro.

I've never actually taken it out to the woods, but I could set it out there with a decoy and talk back and forth with it. Cow to calf, cow to cow, bull to cow.... bull to bull.

I got a FoxPro CS24B and it'll make a bull scream that'll raise the hair on your neck

I can't do that without a partner who can call well.
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: jackelope on July 27, 2014, 09:24:36 AM: I'm with phantom16. I can't see you being able to change calls fast enough to fit the situation. I have a foxpro too and have never even thought about using it. I don't think there's too often you'd need to bugle when an elk is right in your face to the point that you couldn't do it yourself. Cow calls with a diaphragm call can be done at full draw, foxpro can not.
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: bobcat on July 27, 2014, 09:31:45 AM: I would certainly try it. I would if I had a foxpro.
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: billythekidrock on July 27, 2014, 09:45:14 AM: I could see using the ecall in a situation where you have the call behind you or to the side just as if you had a calling partner.

I would use Audacity to create long loops of cow calls so I didn't have to fidget with the remote so much. Use the presets for specific elk sounds, let the long loop run, but turn the volume down when not needed.

Audacity tutorials http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,61908.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,61908.0.html)
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: lamrith on July 27, 2014, 10:10:43 AM: In a recent episode of The Western Hunter on Sportman Channel. Nate Simmons used a mouth cow call and a Decoy really well to pull in a big bull that he could not get close to otherwise due to thermals and cover. Sucked that bull right in to where he needed for a good shot with a bow.
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: KFhunter on July 27, 2014, 11:06:15 AM: Thanks for the audacity link, I've already been using it to pull audio off youtube and make long cat calling sequences.

I might bust out the foxpro this Elk season, already have some calf sounds and stuff for calling cats but I'll go ahead and rip a whole bunch of sounds and just have it handy and maybe fart with it this year
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: xXLojackXx on July 28, 2014, 01:28:19 PM: I wouldn't use a Foxpro for 3 reasons. 1- I won't pack around that weight in the backcountry when a reed weighs next to nothing. 2- As Jackelope said, how do you plan to operate the remote at full draw to stop an elk in your shooting window? And 3- the call only comes from one location. I like to be able to turn my head or move around a little when calling. How often does an elk stand in one spot for 20 mins when calling?
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 28, 2014, 01:51:16 PM: You could buy this cow elk hat.
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: brianb231 on July 28, 2014, 02:19:12 PM: I have to chime in here. We recently went coyote hunting with a FoxPro type caller and in the only two setups that we did we called in cow elk both times using the fawn in distress call for a coyote. It was amazing. Don't know if I would make it a practice but it definitely works.!
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on July 28, 2014, 03:36:35 PM: With it fifty yard behind you and a mouth bugle too. You'd be deadly anywhere near elk.

And Drock, I want that hat! My buddy would shoot me for sure!
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on July 29, 2014, 12:08:53 AM: might want to call the WDFW and clarify before you do this. My brothers father in law is a fisheries biologist and I was asking him about electronic calls the other day. He says it doesn't say anything in the regs about it but he said last he heard from is game warden buddies they are illegal period. Thats even for coyotes.
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: bobcat on July 29, 2014, 06:21:56 AM: If it were illegal it would say so in the pamphlet. It has always seemed odd to me that they made electronic calls illegal for deer, but not elk. ???

But, that's the law. I've read it myself. Lots of people use electronic calls for coyotes and I'm sure all game wardens are aware of that. So I find it hard to believe that a game warden would say that it wasn't even legal for coyotes. Maybe he just misunderstood what was said.
Title: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: bobcat on July 29, 2014, 06:22:31 AM: If it were illegal it would say so in the pamphlet. It has always seemed odd to me that they made electronic calls illegal for deer, but not elk. ???

But, that's the law. I've read it myself. Lots of people use electronic calls for coyotes and I'm sure all game wardens are aware of that.

So I find it hard to believe that a game warden would say that it wasn't even legal for coyotes. Maybe he just misunderstood what was said.
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: billythekidrock on July 29, 2014, 06:35:14 AM: Quote from: W_Ellison2011 on July 29, 2014, 12:08:53 AM
might want to call the WDFW and clarify before you do this. My brothers father in law is a fisheries biologist and I was asking him about electronic calls the other day. He says it doesn't say anything in the regs about it but he said last he heard from is game warden buddies they are illegal period. Thats even for coyotes.

The bold portion explains it all.
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: _TONY_ on July 29, 2014, 06:43:44 AM: Personally, I'd like to see some restrictions on electric calls in terms of elk.... Before you know it, every new hunter will be strolling through the woods with their boom boxes blasting elk tracks down every ridge...

For me, elk calling is a skill and a life long accomplishment, not a downloaded mp3

Just my :twocents:
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: xXLojackXx on July 29, 2014, 07:56:31 AM: Also, those calls sound like elk, but you can't possibly get that chest pounding grunt out of a speaker. That goes a long way in selling yourself as a 600lb bull.
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 29, 2014, 08:29:23 AM: Quote from: brianb231 on July 28, 2014, 02:19:12 PM
I have to chime in here. We recently went coyote hunting with a FoxPro type caller and in the only two setups that we did we called in cow elk both times using the fawn in distress call for a coyote. It was amazing. Don't know if I would make it a practice but it definitely works.!

There's a big difference between calling coyotes and calling elk. I wouldn't be inclined to use an electronic call just because you're having to set it up and control it, and hope elk come to it. You may be able to bring in a loner cow and calf from a distance, but I think it'd be doubtful that you'll bring in a bull or any numbers of elk together. It would depend on a lot of luck coming your way. Increasing your success is going to be predicated on locating and getting close enough to be a threat. Once you do that, things happen pretty fast and you're going to be more tied up with your bow and unable to work a caller remote.

I like the decoy for lone hunting (or otherwise), but the e-calling setup isn't conducive to moving on the elk and leaving your hands free to shoot. Use a mouth reed, even if only to make cow and calf sounds.
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: billythekidrock on July 29, 2014, 08:33:10 AM: Quote from: _TONY_ on July 29, 2014, 06:43:44 AM
Personally, I'd like to see some restrictions on electric calls in terms of elk.... Before you know it, every new hunter will be strolling through the woods with their boom boxes blasting elk tracks down every ridge...

For me, elk calling is a skill and a life long accomplishment, not a downloaded mp3

Just my :twocents:

More restrictions = more loss of opportunity down the road.
Take away the one use you DON'T approve of very well could lead to the elimination of the use you DO approve of.
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: Stein on July 29, 2014, 08:50:53 AM: A quick search is all it takes.

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Can I use electronic decoys or electronic calls to hunt game species during open seasons?

It depends. You cannot hunt waterfowl, wild turkeys, or deer with the use or aid of battery-powered or other electronic devices as decoys. You cannot hunt waterfowl, wild turkeys, or deer with the use or aid of electronic calls.
You can use electronic decoys or electronic calls to hunt other game species.
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: bur04024 on July 31, 2014, 03:19:21 PM: Do you think WDFW considers Elk just a large member of the deer family? Even though they use their names when referring to each species, I wouldn't want to hope a warden was having a "good" day as opposed to a "bad" one. :twocents: :sry:
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 01, 2014, 05:53:08 AM: I certainly don't support restrictions on practices I don't take part in. All hunters should be supporting each other in legal hunting methods. We stick together as a group. If you don't like the use of electronic calls, don't use them.
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: headshot5 on August 01, 2014, 06:15:37 AM: :yeah: I'm with Piano. :tup:
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: seth30 on August 01, 2014, 06:15:50 AM: I used one a few years ago and called in 3 different guys. Not sure why they were coming to a cow elk in a spike only GMU? If you want to shoot pumpkins then use the E caller :bash:
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: jasnt on August 01, 2014, 07:16:43 AM: Quote from: billythekidrock on July 27, 2014, 09:45:14 AM
I could see using the ecall in a situation where you have the call behind you or to the side just as if you had a calling partner.

I would use Audacity to create long loops of cow calls so I didn't have to fidget with the remote so much. Use the presets for specific elk sounds, let the long loop run, but turn the volume down when not needed.

Audacity tutorials http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,61908.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,61908.0.html)

I do this for setting up my cougar calling sequences.

You could probably use the ecall for cow talk back behind you ( just a loop of cows chatting and do all the bull talk yourself to seem like your the bull keeping in between his cows and the real bull :dunno:
Title: Re: Ecaller + decoy for Elk this year?
Post by: lamrith on August 01, 2014, 07:23:07 AM: Quote from: seth30 on August 01, 2014, 06:15:50 AM
I used one a few years ago and called in 3 different guys. Not sure why they were coming to a cow elk in a spike only GMU? If you want to shoot pumpkins then use the E caller :bash:
Elk being herd animals, I would move in when I heard a cow in hopes of finding a herd and something legal in or around the herd...