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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: hillbillyhunting on August 28, 2014, 06:35:32 PM

Title: Are other people noticing these things about hoof rot?
Post by: hillbillyhunting on August 28, 2014, 06:35:32 PM: I drew a quality bull tag this year and have been scouting as much as possible. It took us a while, but we finally found the bulls (still a little disappointed that this is what i waited 10 years for). Since i have been focused on the elk i have noticed two things about the hoof rot situation and am wondering if anyone else has noticed the same.

1) Some areas in the unit have a higher percentage of hoof rot bulls

2) Hoof rot is expanding further north than currently documented. Im talking way further north in units that currently aren't supposed to have hoof rot.
Title: Re: Are other people noticing these things about hoof rot?
Post by: sirmissalot on August 28, 2014, 06:52:50 PM: Which tag did you draw?
Title: Re: Are other people noticing these things about hoof rot?
Post by: hillbillyhunting on August 28, 2014, 06:55:31 PM: Toutle archery
Title: Re: Are other people noticing these things about hoof rot?
Post by: Coastal_native on August 28, 2014, 07:14:51 PM: What units to north?
Title: Re: Are other people noticing these things about hoof rot?
Post by: hillbillyhunting on August 28, 2014, 07:18:18 PM: would be willing to say what unit later in the year, but don't want to draw attention to the unit now. definately north of what i consider SW WA.
Title: Re: Are other people noticing these things about hoof rot?
Post by: dlaw on August 29, 2014, 09:46:22 AM: North as in Winston and Mossyrock units? I have seen numerous accounts of it up there.
Title: Re: Are other people noticing these things about hoof rot?
Post by: kentrek on August 29, 2014, 10:02:18 AM: Hasn't there been reports in the nook ?? That's pretty far north

Was just in the toutle yesterday...didn't see a single bull

Good luck
Title: Re: Are other people noticing these things about hoof rot?
Post by: snowpack on August 29, 2014, 10:08:40 AM: Weren't there some reports in the Wynoochee?
Title: Re: Are other people noticing these things about hoof rot?
Post by: motg9_6 on August 29, 2014, 11:04:07 AM: no offense but dont you think that reporting the info so they may actually be able to do something with it is a little more important than keeping a spot secrete for a couple months.
but i guess what the heck their probably just gonna wipe them all out anyways.
Title: Re: Are other people noticing these things about hoof rot?
Post by: Curly on August 29, 2014, 02:13:42 PM: Probably on 667.
Title: Re: Are other people noticing these things about hoof rot?
Post by: hillbillyhunting on August 29, 2014, 03:40:45 PM: Quote from: motg9_6 on August 29, 2014, 11:04:07 AM
no offense but dont you think that reporting the info so they may actually be able to do something with it is a little more important than keeping a spot secrete for a couple months.
but i guess what the heck their probably just gonna wipe them all out anyways.

It has been appropriately reported.
Title: Re: Are other people noticing these things about hoof rot?
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 29, 2014, 05:30:10 PM: Good for reporting but what difference are you expecting from hunters if you say what unit you've seen hoof rot? Are you expecting an influx of hunters to head there? If it's not your permit unit why are you worried about attracting attention there? I'd assume other hunters would second guess going there but who knows....
Title: Re: Are other people noticing these things about hoof rot?
Post by: hillbillyhunting on August 29, 2014, 07:12:54 PM: I guess I am just curious if other people have been reporting rot in new areas this year. We have been scouting this unit as well. We might end up hunting this general area over the tootle.
Title: Re: Are other people noticing these things about hoof rot?
Post by: broknt on September 09, 2014, 10:52:21 PM: Report every case u see. Hoof rot comes from the ground. If u notice hoof rot is only in places where private timber companies or state lands are logging heavily. Logging practices have changed a ton in the last ten years with heavy pesticide use to kill all undergrowth. Being someone that has grown up around cattle my whole life I believe that this may be the reason for the hoof rot. We need to hold them responsible.
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Post by: PA BEN on September 10, 2014, 05:03:30 AM: New Rule;

WSR 14-17-093
PERMANENT RULES
DEPARTMENT OF
FISH AND WILDLIFE
[Order 14-215—Filed August 19, 2014, 9:43 a.m., effective September 19, 2014]
Effective Date of Rule: Thirty-one days after filing.
Purpose: This new WAC will reduce the probability of hoof disease spreading from units 501 through 564 and 642 through 699 to other areas by requiring hunters to remove hooves of harvested elk and leave them at the harvest site.
Statutory Authority for Adoption: RCW 77.04.012, 77.04.055, 77.12.047, 77.12.455, and 77.32.070.
Adopted under notice filed as WSR 14-14-052 on June 25, 2014.
Number of Sections Adopted in Order to Comply with Federal Statute: New 0, Amended 0, Repealed 0; Federal Rules or Standards: New 0, Amended 0, Repealed 0; or Recently Enacted State Statutes: New 0, Amended 0, Repealed 0.
Number of Sections Adopted at Request of a Nongovernmental Entity: New 0, Amended 0, Repealed 0.
Number of Sections Adopted on the Agency's Own Initiative: New 1, Amended 0, Repealed 0.
Number of Sections Adopted in Order to Clarify, Streamline, or Reform Agency Procedures: New 0, Amended 0, Repealed 0.
Number of Sections Adopted Using Negotiated Rule Making: New 0, Amended 0, Repealed 0; Pilot Rule Making: New 0, Amended 0, Repealed 0; or Other Alternative Rule Making: New 0, Amended 0, Repealed 0.
Date Adopted: August 19, 2014.
Miranda Wecker, Chair
Fish and Wildlife Commission
NEW SECTION
WAC 232-12-286 Reducing the spread of hoof disease—Unlawful transport of elk hooves.
(1) It is unlawful to transport the hooves of harvested elk beyond the site where the animal was killed in Game Management Units 501 through 564, and 642 through 699.
(2) Violation of this section is an infraction under RCW 77.15.160, Infractions.
Title: Re: Are other people noticing these things about hoof rot?
Post by: billythekidrock on September 10, 2014, 05:30:59 AM: Quote from: hillbillyhunting on August 28, 2014, 06:35:32 PM
I drew a quality bull tag this year and have been scouting as much as possible. It took us a while, but we finally found the bulls (still a little disappointed that this is what i waited 10 years for). Since i have been focused on the elk i have noticed two things about the hoof rot situation and am wondering if anyone else has noticed the same.

1) Some areas in the unit have a higher percentage of hoof rot bulls

2) Hoof rot is expanding further north than currently documented. Im talking way further north in units that currently aren't supposed to have hoof rot.

I have seen elk with hoof rot in 667 and have heard that it is in 663 & 666.
Title: Re: Are other people noticing these things about hoof rot?
Post by: Katmai Guy on September 10, 2014, 05:57:17 AM: Just an ignorant comment, but it seems some of issues like this (hoofrot, hairloss) started when they started putting processed crap on the ground in the treefarms. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Are other people noticing these things about hoof rot?
Post by: headshot5 on September 10, 2014, 06:15:18 AM: Quote
Just an ignorant comment, but it seems some of issues like this (hoofrot, hairloss) started when they started putting processed crap on the ground in the treefarms. Thoughts?

The hairloss is caused by lice http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/health/hair_loss/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/health/hair_loss/). They (lice) are reportedly from Asian/European deer and antelope, and were transimitted to deer in U.S.

So far, all indications are that hoof disease in elk is caused by bacteria. There are many folks who feel that hoof disease can be directly tied to chemicals used on timber ground in WA. State. As of now this has not been proven. Only time will tell.