Post by: h20hunter on September 02, 2014, 09:04:46 AM
Anyway, on the way home we stop for a coffee. No need to be specific....lets say between Monroe and Stevens Pass. We are in camo and the young lady asks us how the morning went and if we filled any tags. Sadly no but she says her boyfriend is out hunting bears. I of course ask where and it goes like this.......
Yeah, my bf is out this morning bear hunting.
Oh yeah, where abouts is he.
Oh, just the hill behind his house. He has a nice one coming in for the last week or two.
Nice, whats he using for bait?
He like apples, corn, and molasses. (smiles) You know, the usual stuff.
I then of course simply smile and say thanks for the coffee and go on my way.
So, the poll is obvious. No need to debate the ethics, how we wish we could bait, baiting in regards to spring hunt. I'm just curious....
Is bear baiting (wet side I suppose since that is where I'm at, but east as well) so commonplace that it is the worst kept secret?
Post by: bknilvr00 on September 02, 2014, 09:17:45 AM
That being said, I wish they'd allow it. So I could sit my skinny but in a tree stand vs biking my way all over hells half acre. My legs are not happy with me after three consecutive days of that.
Sent from my space modulator.
Post by: baker5150 on September 02, 2014, 09:21:19 AM
I have stumbled across 2 different bait sites this year.
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 02, 2014, 10:15:50 AM
Post by: Ripper on September 02, 2014, 10:24:30 AM
Post by: KFhunter on September 02, 2014, 10:28:35 AM
I said "no". The question should be, "is poaching the worst kept secret?" Although I disagree with the ban because baiting is an effective way to keep bear populations under control, we voted it out and I disagree with poaching more. If baiting bear is OK, then baiting turkey and waterfowl is OK. Shooting an extra elk when you don't want to buy meat is OK, too. :bash: If the guy'd told me directly that he was baiting, I'd be turning him in. People who break the law are rarely doing it for the first time and will rarely not do it again. My :twocents:
So a guy gets a pile of apples off his neighbors tree and transports them 50 yards to his property tucked back in the brush, sets up a stand hunts bear in his back yard. He's not having much luck so he drops a bag of dog food on the pile of apples......success!
Now he's going to poach 2 Elk?
Too big of an assumption to make, each crime must be done on it's own merit if LE jumped to the same conclusions as you freely make then we'd really see some hollering from you on all the cop threads..."you're a speeder, so you must be a bank robber too!! FREEEZE!!
Post by: JohnVH on September 02, 2014, 10:29:13 AM
Post by: KFhunter on September 02, 2014, 10:31:42 AM
baiting deer and a bear comes by... could happen
I added a bag of dog food :chuckle:
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 02, 2014, 10:35:23 AM
Post by: runamuk on September 02, 2014, 11:13:16 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 02, 2014, 11:25:55 AM
I said "no". The question should be, "is poaching the worst kept secret?" Although I disagree with the ban because baiting is an effective way to keep bear populations under control, we voted it out and I disagree with poaching more. If baiting bear is OK, then baiting turkey and waterfowl is OK. Shooting an extra elk when you don't want to buy meat is OK, too. :bash: If the guy'd told me directly that he was baiting, I'd be turning him in. People who break the law are rarely doing it for the first time and will rarely not do it again. My :twocents:
So a guy gets a pile of apples off his neighbors tree and transports them 50 yards to his property tucked back in the brush, sets up a stand hunts bear in his back yard. He's not having much luck so he drops a bag of dog food on the pile of apples......success!
Now he's going to poach 2 Elk?
Too big of an assumption to make, each crime must be done on it's own merit if LE jumped to the same conclusions as you freely make then we'd really see some hollering from you on all the cop threads..."you're a speeder, so you must be a bank robber too!! FREEEZE!!
My point is that anyone who can justify breaking the law once will justify it again. Ask any LE on here their opinion of whether r not someone willing to kill a bear over bait will be willing to break other game laws.
Post by: RadSav on September 02, 2014, 11:27:04 AM
We baited Fallow deer with Purina Cat Chow. Not sure it works on blacktail, but you never know :dunno: :chuckle:baiting deer and a bear comes by... could happenI added a bag of dog food :chuckle:
I will not bait deer or elk during bear season because I do not want to have to make that decision. With my luck the biggest bear I've ever seen would walk by and I'd become suicidal! Better for me to just watch trails and call.
Back to the OP question; I don't know about the worst kept illegal activity secret. I'd have to think shooting less than 6 GPI would be the worst as guys always want to brag about how fast they shoot. You can go through all the H-W pictures and conclude that a great number of bowhunters are breaking that rule. Don't think that holds true for bear baiting. Also, now that gas prices have gone so high I see a lot fewer baits than I use to.
I used to have a room mate who was an Oregon game LEO. He told me that girlfriends and daughters made up for more than 50% of the leads leading to poaching and game violations. I thought it was amusing in your story the girlfriend spilled the beans. I'd think if you weren't going to tell your girlfriend it was illegal you shouldn't be telling her you are doing it at all :dunno:
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 02, 2014, 11:29:12 AM
Post by: KFhunter on September 02, 2014, 11:46:08 AM
I said "no". The question should be, "is poaching the worst kept secret?" Although I disagree with the ban because baiting is an effective way to keep bear populations under control, we voted it out and I disagree with poaching more. If baiting bear is OK, then baiting turkey and waterfowl is OK. Shooting an extra elk when you don't want to buy meat is OK, too. :bash: If the guy'd told me directly that he was baiting, I'd be turning him in. People who break the law are rarely doing it for the first time and will rarely not do it again. My :twocents:
So a guy gets a pile of apples off his neighbors tree and transports them 50 yards to his property tucked back in the brush, sets up a stand hunts bear in his back yard. He's not having much luck so he drops a bag of dog food on the pile of apples......success!
Now he's going to poach 2 Elk?
Too big of an assumption to make, each crime must be done on it's own merit if LE jumped to the same conclusions as you freely make then we'd really see some hollering from you on all the cop threads..."you're a speeder, so you must be a bank robber too!! FREEEZE!!
My point is that anyone who can justify breaking the law once will justify it again. Ask any LE on here their opinion of whether r not someone willing to kill a bear over bait will be willing to break other game laws.
I actually used to agree with you, until they introduced wolves then I changed my mind.
I think there's a lot of folks who'll poach a wolf, but wouldn't dream of breaking any other game law (and a lot who don't even hunt or fish; not sure how that fits into this debate).
So I must apply that to bear baiting. It's a seriously sore subject to some that used to bait bear and when it was made to be illegal they then made the decision to not follow that singular law.
"If guns were made illegal, then only criminals would have guns" I think you'd be a criminal at that point am I wrong? Doesn't mean you'd start shooting up malls though.
Post by: h20hunter on September 02, 2014, 11:52:36 AM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 02, 2014, 12:06:29 PM
He told me that girlfriends and daughters made up for more than 50% of the leads leading to poaching and game violations.
Mm hmm. What the woman doesn't know can't hurt you.
I disagree Pman. Many may break a law that they feel is unjust or completely wrong and never break any other law.
This. People are not unthinking automatons; they can make a conscious choice about which laws they think are unjust. This is not a normative statement.
Is this the worst kept secret? It is for this guy.
Post by: bhawley76 on September 02, 2014, 12:17:57 PM
Post by: h20hunter on September 02, 2014, 12:23:23 PM
Post by: Buckmark on September 02, 2014, 12:26:20 PM
I said "no". The question should be, "is poaching the worst kept secret?" Although I disagree with the ban because baiting is an effective way to keep bear populations under control, we voted it out and I disagree with poaching more. If baiting bear is OK, then baiting turkey and waterfowl is OK. Shooting an extra elk when you don't want to buy meat is OK, too. :bash: If the guy'd told me directly that he was baiting, I'd be turning him in. People who break the law are rarely doing it for the first time and will rarely not do it again. My :twocents:Incorrect, non hunters etc voted to ban baiting...
Post by: runamuk on September 02, 2014, 12:54:20 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 02, 2014, 12:55:58 PM
I said "no". The question should be, "is poaching the worst kept secret?" Although I disagree with the ban because baiting is an effective way to keep bear populations under control, we voted it out and I disagree with poaching more. If baiting bear is OK, then baiting turkey and waterfowl is OK. Shooting an extra elk when you don't want to buy meat is OK, too. :bash: If the guy'd told me directly that he was baiting, I'd be turning him in. People who break the law are rarely doing it for the first time and will rarely not do it again. My :twocents:Incorrect, non hunters etc voted to ban baiting...
When I said "we", I meant a majority of WA voters. I didn't vote for it, but "we" did.
Post by: Stein on September 02, 2014, 01:17:32 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 02, 2014, 01:20:40 PM
I said "no". The question should be, "is poaching the worst kept secret?" Although I disagree with the ban because baiting is an effective way to keep bear populations under control, we voted it out and I disagree with poaching more. If baiting bear is OK, then baiting turkey and waterfowl is OK. Shooting an extra elk when you don't want to buy meat is OK, too. :bash: If the guy'd told me directly that he was baiting, I'd be turning him in. People who break the law are rarely doing it for the first time and will rarely not do it again. My :twocents:
So a guy gets a pile of apples off his neighbors tree and transports them 50 yards to his property tucked back in the brush, sets up a stand hunts bear in his back yard. He's not having much luck so he drops a bag of dog food on the pile of apples......success!
Now he's going to poach 2 Elk?
Too big of an assumption to make, each crime must be done on it's own merit if LE jumped to the same conclusions as you freely make then we'd really see some hollering from you on all the cop threads..."you're a speeder, so you must be a bank robber too!! FREEEZE!!
My point is that anyone who can justify breaking the law once will justify it again. Ask any LE on here their opinion of whether r not someone willing to kill a bear over bait will be willing to break other game laws.
I actually used to agree with you, until they introduced wolves then I changed my mind.
I think there's a lot of folks who'll poach a wolf, but wouldn't dream of breaking any other game law (and a lot who don't even hunt or fish; not sure how that fits into this debate).
So I must apply that to bear baiting. It's a seriously sore subject to some that used to bait bear and when it was made to be illegal they then made the decision to not follow that singular law.
"If guns were made illegal, then only criminals would have guns" I think you'd be a criminal at that point am I wrong? Doesn't mean you'd start shooting up malls though.
Two completely different scenarios, pot & bear baiting. The prohibition on pot was a government regulation passed because of backroom deals, unlike the prohibition on alcohol, because there was no Constitutional Amendment for making pot illegal. The feds, under pressure from private businesses which were being hurt by hemp, just made it illegal. There's a great deal of speculation about whether its prohibition could have survived the Constitutional super-majority test. Bear baiting, on the other hand, was a vote of the people. A majority of our citizens decided they no longer wanted bear baiting.
Comparing it to gun ownership is also an invalid comparison because gun ownership is Constitutionally protected, at least for those of us who don't have criminal records. Taking away our right to bear arms would take a super majority of states to pass. And, the 2nd Amendment is a right, not a privilege, such as hunting.
Wolves are also an invalid argument because there is no hunting allowed of them at all in WA and in the western 2/3s of the state, they're federally protected, as well. Bears are not protected in any respect (except grizzlies). If you're poaching wolves, you're an idiot. They've put a whole lot of money into protecting them and chances are good you'll be caught.
The method of using bait and/or hounds was deemed illegal because a majority of people who voted thought it was unfair, unethical, barbaric, or cruel - whatever. Now I have to hunt bears using calls and glassing hillsides. If someone else is using bait to kill bears, I find that not only unfair to me, but an indication that this person feels they're above the law for no good reason. If I see someone baiting, and that means someone other than one who is reacting to damage of their property (and then, they could get a damage permit), there's a good chance I'll turn them in. I do feel that if they're willing to bait bears, they're willing to do a lot of illegal and unethical things. Sorry. That's not just me, though.
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 02, 2014, 01:28:46 PM
I don't thing baiting can hold a candle to over limit crab or shrimp. Both of those can't even touch texting while driving.
So, what's your point, that it isn't that big a deal so breaking that law is acceptable because texting is worse?
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 02, 2014, 02:05:49 PM
Post by: KFhunter on September 02, 2014, 02:19:12 PM
Takes a lot of sting out of some backyard baiter trying to get that troublesome fruit tree destroying garbage bear because all WDFW would do was direct them to the "living with bears" website.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/bears.html#conflicts (http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/bears.html#conflicts)
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 02, 2014, 02:21:23 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 02, 2014, 02:22:38 PM
Post by: KFhunter on September 02, 2014, 02:22:47 PM
You know, those guys who kick a bear off the side of the road with nothing but a small cut in their sides (remove gall) and missing paws. Some of you have seen this for yourselves.
UCWARDEN wrote the book on this illegal trade in WA, and I think that's where the focus should be!
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 02, 2014, 02:24:32 PM
Here is how I see it :chuckle: I know what you are all thinking :dunno: here he goes again .. All these rules they continue to pursue are just ways to not make you successful . That's it . Think about the wolves for instance . They make us draw a tag to shoot elk but the wolves can kill anything they want and do not have to eat it ..I can almost guarantee you if someone is baiting deer there is a good chance they are having bears come in ..Now I wonder how many of these bears get shot :dunno: I am sure a few :dunno: and as far as this individual your talking about I bet he is baiting deer and a bear just showed up ..the women most likely has no clue what is really going on ..she just heard the word bear and told you and instantly a guy is doing something illegal :dunno: Out of sight - Out of mind .. that's how some people do things now ..and thank the state for that :twocents:
Really BH, she told a perfect stranger he was out hunting bear over a bait and you think it might be a mistake? Uh-huh!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 02, 2014, 02:28:08 PM
Post by: KFhunter on September 02, 2014, 02:28:15 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 02, 2014, 02:28:36 PM
I'd like to see WDFW not worry too much about the backyard baiter unless it's egregious, (garbage all over etc) and nail the crap out of those poachers selling to Asian markets.
You know, those guys who kick a bear off the side of the road with nothing but a small cut in their sides (remove gall) and missing paws. Some of you have seen this for yourselves.
UCWARDEN wrote the book on this illegal trade in WA, and I think that's where the focus should be!
:yeah:
Post by: bobcat on September 02, 2014, 02:31:07 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,159930.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,159930.0.html)
:yike: That's some expensive bait! I'd be eating those myself. Are you suggesting that that's good bear bait?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 02, 2014, 02:31:46 PM
Like I said .. I doubt she knows what is going on . I know a few people who were baiting deer and bear have showed up . Lets say a guy has a deer bait out and you climb out of your stand and start walking to camp and all the sudden a bear steps out about 75 to 100 yrds from your stand ..What would you do knowing you had a bait close by ???Here is how I see it :chuckle: I know what you are all thinking :dunno: here he goes again .. All these rules they continue to pursue are just ways to not make you successful . That's it . Think about the wolves for instance . They make us draw a tag to shoot elk but the wolves can kill anything they want and do not have to eat it ..I can almost guarantee you if someone is baiting deer there is a good chance they are having bears come in ..Now I wonder how many of these bears get shot :dunno: I am sure a few :dunno: and as far as this individual your talking about I bet he is baiting deer and a bear just showed up ..the women most likely has no clue what is really going on ..she just heard the word bear and told you and instantly a guy is doing something illegal :dunno: Out of sight - Out of mind .. that's how some people do things now ..and thank the state for that :twocents:
Really BH, she told a perfect stranger he was out hunting bear over a bait and you think it might be a mistake? Uh-huh!
Post by: h20hunter on September 02, 2014, 02:32:24 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,159930.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,159930.0.html)
Don't sound like bait apples to me.
Trust me.....she knew exactly what he was doing and why.
Post by: KFhunter on September 02, 2014, 02:37:32 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,159930.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,159930.0.html)
:yike: That's some expensive bait! I'd be eating those myself. Are you suggesting that that's good bear bait?
how you like them apples, haha no it was meant to be a funny :chuckle:
I don't advocate anyone break laws, ever.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 02, 2014, 02:39:46 PM
Post by: mountainman on September 03, 2014, 10:42:40 PM
Post by: buglebrush on September 03, 2014, 11:02:34 PM
Post by: gun-dog on September 04, 2014, 01:51:52 AM
Post by: Bigshooter on September 04, 2014, 04:41:55 AM
Who cares!
:yeah:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 04, 2014, 05:10:27 AM
Post by: Ccortez on September 04, 2014, 06:29:42 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on September 04, 2014, 07:34:28 AM
Post by: rtspring on September 04, 2014, 07:40:46 AM
Am I going to stand on a four way stop sign and call in 911 for each and everybcar that doesnt come to a complete stop..
We should mind our own business.. Illegal poching wasting meat and just taking horns? Damn right, hang their butts!!!
A guy maybe baiting a bear? I got a whole lot of better things to do! Its a stupid law, always will be. Does it make it right? No!
But neither does the guy bulding s shed without a permit in his own backyard!!
Post by: h20hunter on September 04, 2014, 07:51:42 AM
Next time I'll get the allmighty Rtspring permission before posting.
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 04, 2014, 08:00:18 AM
Post by: Jingles on September 04, 2014, 08:00:49 AM
Post by: Special T on September 04, 2014, 08:02:55 AM
I used to have a room mate who was an Oregon game LEO. He told me that girlfriends and daughters made up for more than 50% of the leads leading to poaching and game violations. I thought it was amusing in your story the girlfriend spilled the beans. I'd think if you weren't going to tell your girlfriend it was illegal you shouldn't be telling her you are doing it at all :dunno:
I was thinking the EXACT same thing. If your going to do something wrong the LAST person you would want to tell is a woman... Especially one that makes coffie and small talks the whole day away!
Post by: buglebrush on September 04, 2014, 08:11:06 AM
Why was this even posted on here? Are you looking for points???? So he said she said!
Am I going to stand on a four way stop sign and call in 911 for each and everybcar that doesnt come to a complete stop..
We should mind our own business.. Illegal poching wasting meat and just taking horns? Damn right, hang their butts!!!
A guy maybe baiting a bear? I got a whole lot of better things to do! Its a stupid law, always will be. Does it make it right? No!
But neither does the guy bulding s shed without a permit in his own backyard!!
:yeah:
Post by: rtspring on September 04, 2014, 08:13:08 AM
Nope. Not looking for points, no looking for anything. I just found it funny that she was so casual about it. Pardon me for being curious and wondering if it was so common that it was possible that among locals it is the worst kept secret.
Next time I'll get the allmighty Rtspring permission before posting.
Whether bobs wife, girlfriend or daughters says anything about baiting bear is not the key factor here, its about, is baiting bear happening? Yep it is, but whats the big deal about posting this? Its hearsay. I can gurantee you someone on here has forwarded this to the gamies!!! Meanwhile people are out POACHING. Yep it is very common! So is people driving drunk, speeding, jaywalking, lets all call the cops everytime we hear something that may or may not be true..
The almighty? Nope, just got better things to do than spread gossip..
Post by: h20hunter on September 04, 2014, 08:21:59 AM
Post by: rtspring on September 04, 2014, 08:27:59 AM
Im sure that everything you do is by the book? Right? So if a guy heard your wife say you were baiting would you want it spread on the internet? Probably not.
You should go hunting. Im out
Post by: Woodchuck on September 04, 2014, 08:33:59 AM
Post by: h20hunter on September 04, 2014, 08:37:17 AM
I do my very best to do things by the book.
I've not specefied anyone nor have I singled anyone out regarding this poll. As clearly stated, it simply piqued my interest.
If you have found my comments derogatory I suppose I leave it up to the mods and Dale to make that decision on whether I should have them taken down or not.
Yes, I should go hunting. However, work sometimes gets in the way.
"I'm out" Not a problem Your Highness
Sorry Wood.....I'm simply tired of His Highness and his high and mighty attidude. Delete the thread, delete the comments you wish, not a problem. I simply will not be bullied.
Post by: mountainman on September 04, 2014, 09:15:55 AM
^ Obviously someone who doesn't care about the future of hunting!!👍
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 04, 2014, 09:47:05 AM
Post by: headshot5 on September 04, 2014, 10:00:01 AM
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Bear baiting is poaching last time I checked.
Not true. Killing a bear over bait is poaching... Just baiting, while illegal is not poaching. :tup:
Post by: Bob33 on September 04, 2014, 10:09:01 AM
Post by: headshot5 on September 04, 2014, 10:17:38 AM
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I've seen some bare baiting on rivers. A few of them were pretty ugly. They should have kept it secret
Haha! :tup:
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 04, 2014, 10:18:11 AM
QuoteBear baiting is poaching last time I checked.
Not true. Killing a bear over bait is poaching... Just baiting, while illegal is not poaching. :tup:
OK. You're correct.
Post by: Dbax129 on September 04, 2014, 11:46:12 AM
County judge rules bear-baiting initiative unconstitutional
June 9, 2004
By LINDA BYRON / KING 5 News
SEATTLE, WA– Eight years ago, voters passed an initiative making it illegal to hunt bears using bait or dogs. Now that law may be in jeopardy.
A district court judge in Jefferson County says it's unconstitutional.
Does this mean it is once again legal to hunt bear using bait and hound?
The Department of Fish and Wildlife says no. This ruling comes from a district court with limited jurisdiction, but they do admit it will make prosecuting these cases much harder.
Game wardens say poaching is rampant in Washington's forests and some hunters boldly set out bait to lure in bears, then shooting them at close range.
"We find bear bait sites constantly," said Capt. Jay Webster, U.S. Forest Service. "It's a big problem… even though it's illegal. It's very effective."
Voters outlawed bear bait 8 years ago, also making it illegal to hunt bear and cougar with dogs.
Near Quinault last fall, officers raided a camp of about a dozen hunters, charging ten of them with bear baiting: Thomas Durham, James Durham, Christina Stannard, John West, Douglas Klamm, John Speleers, Burgess Drake, Craig Stevenson, Cory Johnson and Dale Steinhauer.
The accused ring leader, Tom Durham, denied doing anything wrong, and the charges against him and the others were dropped this week after a district court judge in Jefferson County ruled the initiative to be unconstitutional.
"What's wrong with it is, it refers to both baiting bears, hunting bears with bait, and also tracking cougars with dogs or hunting cougars with dogs," said defense attorney Linda Callahan. "And that in itself is two subjects, so it violates the rule."
"Well, certainly in Jefferson County, I don't think the prosecutor will file any more cases," said defense attorney John Stanislay. "What it means outside of Jefferson County at this point I'm not sure."
KING 5 asked: "But if you were a defense attorney in a neighboring county with one of these cases, wouldn't you make this argument now?"
"I definitely would make the argument, but I would not advise my client to go hunting with bait," said Stanislay.
The state Department of Fish and Wildlife says it's disappointed at the ruling.
"We're going to continue to enforce it. It's a statewide law," said Chief Bruce Bjork, Washington Dept. Fish & Wildlife. "This is a district court decision in Jefferson County specific, so we'll continue to enforce it statewide."
But the prosecutor in Jefferson County who handled the case said he will not prosecute bear baiting cases if they are brought in because he believes the court ruling is clear and he does not intend to appeal.
Supporters of the initiative are calling the judge's ruling outrageous saying that 63 percent of the voters wanted to ban bear bait hunting as well as hunting with hounds, and they are hoping the state will appeal eventually.
The Attorney General's Office is still deciding whether to appeal the ruling. Bear hunting season opens August 1.
Post by: headshot5 on September 04, 2014, 12:09:47 PM
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Just another thought...
County judge rules bear-baiting initiative unconstitutional
June 9, 2004
Yeah I-655 could be ruled unconstitutional as it violates (Washington Constitution, Article II, Section 19). The problem is the ruling has to be appealed/fought up to the State Supreme Court level in order to get it struck down. Article II section 19 reads "No bill shall embrace more than one subject, and that shall be expressed in the title."
Other previous intiatives have been ruled unconstitutional using this argument. So in effect, I-655 does violate the Washington Constitution as it addresses both baiting and running animals with hounds. However, until it is challenged (I-655) it will be upheld.
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 04, 2014, 06:42:05 PM
:tup:
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Post by: KFhunter on September 04, 2014, 07:15:57 PM
Post by: bigtex on September 04, 2014, 07:36:11 PM
That is per your definition. There is no actual legal definition of what "poaching" is in WA. It's all up to the individual. I know some who say simply violating a fish and wildlife offense makes you a poacher. So someone using a barbed hook in a barbless area is a poacher to some, even if they haven't caught anything.QuoteBear baiting is poaching last time I checked.Not true. Killing a bear over bait is poaching... Just baiting, while illegal is not poaching. :tup:
Post by: bobcat on September 04, 2014, 08:00:09 PM
You shoot a deer one minute before legal hunting hours, that's a hunting violation. You didn't just poach a deer.
Same with baiting bears. Shoot a bear with the aid of some apples, during bear season, with a bear tag, you're not a poacher. It's like what someone else posted, it's about like exceeding the speed limit. Not by just 5 mph, but more like 10 over.
Post by: bigtex on September 04, 2014, 08:13:21 PM
Poaching is killing animals out of season. In my book.And that's your interpretation.
You shoot a deer one minute before legal hunting hours, that's a hunting violation. You didn't just poach a deer.
Same with baiting bears. Shoot a bear with the aid of some apples, during bear season, with a bear tag, you're not a poacher. It's like what someone else posted, it's about like exceeding the speed limit. Not by just 5 mph, but more like 10 over.
WDFW's interpretation (note I said interpretation, because like I said, there is no legal definition in WA) is: "Poaching is the illegal taking or possession of game animals and fish, non-game, and protected, threatened, or endangered fish and wildlife species. Hunting deer/elk with the aid of a spotlight, closed season, closed area, possessing over the legal limits of fish or wildlife, killing of protected and endangered fish or wildlife, or destruction of critical habitat owned or controlled by WDFW are just a few examples."
So Bobcat for your examples which you say aren't poaching in your book, would be poaching in WDFW's book. And that's the problem right there, I could ask 10 people what poaching is to them, and I could get 10 different answers.
Post by: bobcat on September 04, 2014, 08:17:59 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 04, 2014, 09:18:51 PM
Poaching is killing animals out of season. In my book.All I can say is I like your way of thinking :chuckle: My definition of a poacher is one that hunts at night with the aid of light or hunts out of season and continues to take numerous animals ...that's a real poacher :dunno: :tup:
You shoot a deer one minute before legal hunting hours, that's a hunting violation. You didn't just poach a deer.
Same with baiting bears. Shoot a bear with the aid of some apples, during bear season, with a bear tag, you're not a poacher. It's like what someone else posted, it's about like exceeding the speed limit. Not by just 5 mph, but more like 10 over.
Post by: dscubame on September 05, 2014, 01:16:53 PM
Post by: chester on September 05, 2014, 03:04:54 PM
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Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 06, 2014, 05:09:16 PM
You don't get points for bear
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Incorrect, points received can only be used for deer or elk permits, but can obtained for several violations, not just violations involving deer or elk.
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