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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: Natas5150 on September 02, 2014, 11:17:21 AM
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After hunting the last few years with a muzzle loader I am switching to modern rifles this year. My reasons for the switch is I am getting my wife into hunting as she will become my new hunting partner. She is very excited and ready to take down a buck. We went an purchased 2 tikka t3's with scopes and are getting all the gear for the early modern season. My question is what my subject is about. Is it super crowded during modern season? I have bumped into a few muzzle loader hunters but nothing to bad, useually we are able to work with the other group and perhaps push something into one another. But most times we do not run into many people. So for those hunting in mason and kitsap counties will I expect big crowds? Maybe a few suggestions on how to avoid this.
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Which side of the state?
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Two words: Pumpkin Patch
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Yes, I would expect to see lots of other hunters if you're hunting land that is open to everyone. It's going to be especially bad this year, with all of Weyerhaeuser land requiring an access permit for the first time ever. Oh, and let's not forget Green Diamond.
Speaking of which, that might be your best bet, is to get a Green Diamond access permit, if possible. Otherwise, if you hunt public land, try to hike in at least a couple miles if you want to get away from other hunters.
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Two words: Pumpkin Patch
:yeah: AND GETTING WORSE
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Stick with Smoke Pole or go Archery.
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Modern is crazy, to crazy for me! I think I would have asked that question befor I went and bought 2 rifles.
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Modern is really crowded on opening weekend and late season. The rest of the season you will probably see a few people, but it won't be traffic jams and lawnchairs on every cut.
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Modern is really crowded on opening weekend and late season. The rest of the season you will probably see a few people, but it won't be traffic jams and lawnchairs on every cut.
Depends on where you hunt. It can be nearly as you described on some pieces of public land.
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The public lands our group hunts has low hunter pressures, but you need to be willing to walk in a mile or two.
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You can also avoid most people by staying away from clearcuts.
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i'm thinking about giving up muzzleloader and going back to modern this year, i don't care much for hunting the hot weather and there always seems to be fire closures during the general muzzy season, not to mention that the mrs' birthday always falls around the opener.
i never ran into too many folks out on the coast that would even get out of their vehicles and walk more than a few yards during modern firearm, and this was when the areas i liked to hunt had all kinds of green dotted roads.
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I'm going to stay around home and get a blacktail this year just because I know that side is going to be crazy buisy
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I'll catch flak for this, but it would be nice to see modern firearm cut down to 15 days for elk and deer and leave the rest of the season on both sides of that to archery and/or muzzle loaders. Especially on the west side, it's getting too crowded and too dangerous thanks to all of the land locked up now.
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how exactly would shortening the season ease crowding? i think it would do exactly the opposite. sure did that when a couple rivers i used to fish a lot started being open selected days of the week due to conflict with the indian netters.
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As already posted....can be very crowded depending on where you go. If you're going after mule deer and you can drive a vehicle close to the hunting spot. Expect the crowds. If you have to hike in the pressure is less. Black tail may be different I don't know. I never hunted them much. Every year I hear stories of ridiculous crowds with dangerous situations taking place. Places like Entiat, Twisp, Republic, Winthrop, Blewitt are always crowded.
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My very first attempt to hunt deer was in 1983 with a friend who was an experienced hunter. I knew nothing about deer hunting so was looking forward to learning. It was a mad house from shooting light till dark. I always thought hunting was a more solitary affair but I was very wrong. My buddy was walking down into a big draw and I was walking around up top to see if he bumped anything out. I ran in to a kid with a 30-30 and scared the crap out of him because he didn't hear me walk up from behind. I ran into his dad awhile later and asked him if that was his boy and told him what happened. He got real upset because he'd been trying to teach him to have more awareness of his surroundings. So he ran off to yell at him and the kid started shooting down into the draw where my friend was, thinking he had seen a deer. Thank God nothing happened as my friend wasn't close to that area. We were to meet up at a certain place to get picked up to go back to camp and no one showed up to pick me up and I never saw my friend after the kid shooting blindly so got real worried. It was real dark and I decided to walk back to camp. I never saw anyone and came back to camp stumbling in the dark. I was worn to a frazzle by then. There was also a lot of drunk road hunters flying along the roads there too that made my initiation into deer hunting the last time I would ever do it again till 31 years later this Nov. I'm thinking it will be a different ballgame this time though.
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meh! only the opening weekend is crowded and still depends on where you go.
After the opener it clears out pretty good except for the ones who can camp then it's still a bit crowded, but no tnearly as bad as people make it out.
Find a good spot and hike out a ways and you will be ok!
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Or you could just move to a state where there are no OTC rifle tags. Draw only limits hunter pressure and increases hunt quality. Just sayin :IBCOOL:
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The last two years I've seen only two others in the woods during modern elk. Just a data point.
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The only thing I can add..... to all these awesomes posts is.... yes, more people, that are crazy, in modern season.
I've never had a bullet wizz over my head muzzy hunting, but it's happened a couple of time in pumpkin patches.
MAKE SURE YOU WEAR LOTS OF HUNTER ORANGE MATT.
recommend adding a hat to whatever else you wear. :tup:
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I'll catch flak for this, but it would be nice to see modern firearm cut down to 15 days for elk and deer and leave the rest of the season on both sides of that to archery and/or muzzle loaders. Especially on the west side, it's getting too crowded and too dangerous thanks to all of the land locked up now.
Not sure about Wet side, but in SE Corner, muzzle loaders get both an early and late hunt for deer, Modern folks get 9 days and no late hunt. Just saying. Maybe cut the modern the modern season down to say 4-5 days, would that be better. I'm okay with the way it is, but come on, really.
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Modern hunters make up easily 60% of the hunters in this State if not more?! Cut the season, see how many more quit hunting and see how quick this anti-hunting liberal State shuts it all down due to "lack of interest" and "not enough funding". Careful what you wish.
I've always wondered....if you archery hunt or muzzy hunt....then what sideways crap do you give about how crowded it is during modern?! Enjoy your seasons and us modern guys will enjoy ours and how about we all thank our lucky stars we still have the opportunities! Hunter against hunter is exactly what they want.
Listen to all "the way it used to be" stories, we are a dwindling breed enjoying a dying pastime/sport. It may not happen in my lifetime but the end is coming, period.
To the op, I've hunted modern for the past 15 years, met a lot of nice folks and never once had a run in with a 'stray round'. That being said, I have also seen a few very stupid people doing stupid things but they have been the minority to say the least and 100% of the time within 100 yards of the road. I have also been out scouting during archery season and saw truckloads of archery hunters deploying into the woods at various locations, I guess to get out and enjoy the "solitude"? :dunno:
Get out there and enjoy yourself! :tup:
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:yeah:
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I have always archery hunted but bought my first rifle tag for deer this year so I could go with my 14 year old boy. I hope its not as bad as some are making it sound but we are also planning on getting well away from the roads. good post bassquatch, just get out there and enjoy it.
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What are you saying ? Crowded ? No !!!! Go to Puyallup river or any river during pink season -that is "CROWDED " :chuckle: I agree with the OP when he said "You should have asked that before buying two new rifles " .
Just go deep and you'll be fine .
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Who needs an excuse to buy new guns? Not me. I probably would have bought them and said, "hey, i didn't even realize i could use these to hunt! Awesome!"
I'll be in a few miles. Not expecting to see no one, but hoping that if i do see people, they are like me.
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My experience has been similar to some. Opening day and weekends are pretty crowded, but only is easily accessible areas. The further you have to walk the less pumpkins you'll see. However, I've only ever seen maybe a handful of people away from roads.
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hunt outta state...far better
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The blues are always crowded with hunters and road hunters.
Especially in the tucannon area.
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Its already starting to look like black Friday here with hunters and its only thursday. I think this will be my last year with a rifle in this state. But like stated before get away from the roads and be ready for a long drag out. :tup:
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Two years ago my wife and I took a trip thru the entiat during the opener and in 2 hours we counted 121 rigs, 94% of them were from the coast, God I love the opener rifle season. :chuckle:
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Two years ago my wife and I took a trip thru the entiat during the opener and in 2 hours we counted 121 rigs, 94% of them were from the coast, God I love the opener rifle season. :chuckle:
Just wondering- how do you tell the difference between a vehicle from the "coast" and a vehicle that's not? :dunno:
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Two years ago my wife and I took a trip thru the entiat during the opener and in 2 hours we counted 121 rigs, 94% of them were from the coast, God I love the opener rifle season. :chuckle:
Just wondering- how do you tell the difference between a vehicle from the "coast" and a vehicle that's not? :dunno:
Let me rephrase that 94% of the people I talked to was from the other side! No punt intended just had a fun day driving around watching the choas!! I tried to talk to every rig I see to meet other hunters and see were they are from so the next year I can eliminate certain areas
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Oh okay! Just curious, thought you might have some special technique for differentiating between coastie and non-coastie vehicles. I know on my truck I don't have a license plate frame from a dealer or anything else to identify it as such.
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For the OP, the key to hunting Kitsap/Mason is to get in deep and stay out all day. Opening morning you will see trucks at every gate, but by 10 they will be gone. Deer know this,......hint hint....
Google earth the area you want to hunt and look for the farthest place from the gate you can access, thats where you want to be.
And in my 30 years of hunting ( 25 blacktail kills) I have only killed one deer opening weekend.....Oct 24-31 is your best bet.
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Basically if you are road hunting, it will be crowded. Especially within an hour of King County. If you get 1 mile past a gate, or road, the hunter population drops by half. Get a 2 miles out you may not see another hunter for hours if at all.
With a few exceptions, the overcrowding or dangerous statements surrounding General Rifle are way, way, way over blown.
But keep them coming, LOL
Just my :twocents: of hunting general rifle for almost 40 years.
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Oh okay! Just curious, thought you might have some special technique for differentiating between coastie and non-coastie vehicles. I know on my truck I don't have a license plate frame from a dealer or anything else to identify it as such.
Yes you are a incognito wet sidder..... :chuckle:
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Two years ago my wife and I took a trip thru the entiat during the opener and in 2 hours we counted 121 rigs, 94% of them were from the coast, God I love the opener rifle season. :chuckle:
Just wondering- how do you tell the difference between a vehicle from the "coast" and a vehicle that's not? :dunno:
There new, they run, and there not all rusted out. :chuckle:
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Opening weekend in the most popular Mule deer hunting areas is a war zone.... its not bad after the weekend warriors head back to work....
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I was getting fuel last night at the cfn and it looked like a convoy headed up Volcan. Maybe some of the deer will make it :dunno:
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I was getting fuel last night at the cfn and it looked like a convoy headed up Volcan. Maybe some of the deer will make it :dunno:
I love glassing across the river and looking at all the trucks parked on the south face. Looks like a walmart parking lot! My dad used to Hunt vulcan a lot back in the 70's and 80's, (back when I was to little to carry a gun) but it's not worth it now. We like the other side of the river (south side) :P There are so many more area's with Deer that people don't hunt. Just need to get out and do some research.
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Two years ago my wife and I took a trip thru the entiat during the opener and in 2 hours we counted 121 rigs, 94% of them were from the coast, God I love the opener rifle season. :chuckle:
Just wondering- how do you tell the difference between a vehicle from the "coast" and a vehicle that's not? :dunno:
There new, they run, and there not all rusted out. :chuckle:
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Also look for the Obama or a Pot smokin' bumber sticker.
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Oh okay! Just curious, thought you might have some special technique for differentiating between coastie and non-coastie vehicles. I know on my truck I don't have a license plate frame from a dealer or anything else to identify it as such.
I was told that license plates are made in lots, and certain lots get shipped out to different areas. So, if he knew which plates went where, he could tell you. I know that the last three letters on the plate on my old car were the same last three as probably 50 cars (that I saw) in the same area.
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Can someone post a picture of a pumpkin patch? I'd like to see a good example of what this looks like. :chuckle:
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you cant tell me that 95percent. yes I said 95 percent, of the the folks in the entiat are people who reside here. come on your a coastie.
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Can someone post a picture of a pumpkin patch? I'd like to see a good example of what this looks like. :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle:
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After hunting the last few years with a muzzle loader I am switching to modern rifles this year. My reasons for the switch is I am getting my wife into hunting as she will become my new hunting partner. She is very excited and ready to take down a buck. We went an purchased 2 tikka t3's with scopes and are getting all the gear for the early modern season. My question is what my subject is about. Is it super crowded during modern season? I have bumped into a few muzzle loader hunters but nothing to bad, useually we are able to work with the other group and perhaps push something into one another. But most times we do not run into many people. So for those hunting in mason and kitsap counties will I expect big crowds? Maybe a few suggestions on how to avoid this.
Best advice is to stay in the locations you know best, take more stands and let others work for you pushing animals. Get your wife into enjoying the moment of being outdoors, let her develop the instinct to recognize and discern the little things in the woods. Sometimes we as husbands push too hard on the ones we desire to teach how to hunt and develop the skills to hunt by being all about the harvest aspect. Give her time let, her develop on her own and you will have done your job of introducing her to your mistress. :chuckle:
Now if you want to sell your muzzleloader I could be persuaded to take a look at it! :chuckle:
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Oh okay! Just curious, thought you might have some special technique for differentiating between coastie and non-coastie vehicles. I know on my truck I don't have a license plate frame from a dealer or anything else to identify it as such.
I was told that license plates are made in lots, and certain lots get shipped out to different areas. So, if he knew which plates went where, he could tell you. I know that the last three letters on the plate on my old car were the same last three as probably 50 cars (that I saw) in the same area.
2005 and newer, west side. 1990 and older east side! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Can someone post a picture of a pumpkin patch? I'd like to see a good example of what this looks like. :chuckle:
About 5 years ago I made the mistake of going into Taneum with my bird dog on the first weekend of spike elk season. Now THAT was my first and only experience with a true "pumpkin patch". Wished I'd have taken a picture. There were rigs parked literally bumper to bumper for as far as I cared to drive. I figured all I had to do was just keep driving and I would get away from the orange. Never happened. You could look out from any vantage point and see a pumpkin behind every stump or rock. Freakin' ridiculous. I ALWAYS check the calendar and the reg book before venturing out again.
The best blacktail day I've had was the last day of a late season and crappiest weather I had ever considered hunting in. Never saw a soul the whole morning. Not even another rig. It was an area new to me so I really didn't have a clue of the animal population or habits. By 8:00am I bagged a nice blackie about 100 yds from the truck and by 10:30 I had him hanging in the barn.
Such is hunting...
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Can someone post a picture of a pumpkin patch? I'd like to see a good example of what this looks like. :chuckle:
About 5 years ago I made the mistake of going into Taneum with my bird dog on the first weekend of spike elk season. Now THAT was my first and only experience with a true "pumpkin patch". Wished I'd have taken a picture. There were rigs parked literally bumper to bumper for as far as I cared to drive. I figured all I had to do was just keep driving and I would get away from the orange. Never happened. You could look out from any vantage point and see a pumpkin behind every stump or rock. Freakin' ridiculous. I ALWAYS check the calendar and the reg book before venturing out again.
The best blacktail day I've had was the last day of a late season and crappiest weather I had ever considered hunting in. Never saw a soul the whole morning. Not even another rig. It was an area new to me so I really didn't have a clue of the animal population or habits. By 8:00am I bagged a nice blackie about 100 yds from the truck and by 10:30 I had him hanging in the barn.
Such is hunting...
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YEP. its a big mistake. Every westsider is on this side on the mountain. It really sucks. Its pushing me to another state for good.
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YEP. its a big mistake. Every westsider is on this side on the mountain. It really sucks. Its pushing me to another state for good.
Really? Every one? Then why is it that EVERY gate I went to yesterday had 3-8 vehicles at it and I am on the Westside. Please, head for another state and take a few with you...more room for me :)
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I was out saturday afternoon to sunday night and only saw one other hunter. Granted I walked in behind a gate. I was surprised to see so few on opening weekend.
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Oh okay! Just curious, thought you might have some special technique for differentiating between coastie and non-coastie vehicles. I know on my truck I don't have a license plate frame from a dealer or anything else to identify it as such.
I was told that license plates are made in lots, and certain lots get shipped out to different areas. So, if he knew which plates went where, he could tell you. I know that the last three letters on the plate on my old car were the same last three as probably 50 cars (that I saw) in the same area.
2005 and newer, west side. 1990 and older east side! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
So what you are telling me is, next time I go over to the dry side I should put a "Ron Paul" bumper sticker on the old truck? Then I will fit right in? :chuckle:
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Been MF hunting the same sage brush coulee's for the most part of 30+ years and this year almost nobody was there. I took the last 2 years off and when I drove in Saturday morning I questioned if it was opening day. Didn't understand. There was a total of 2 other trucks in the area over the weekend. I figure most MF hunters switched to ML over the years and shot all the legals outta there a couple weeks prior.
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I have the multi-season tag. Didn't see a soul mid week during muzzy. Went up this weekend and had groups of 3-4 in every direction. I bet from where I was at, I saw 70 + hunters. It was nuts I pulled out by 8:00 am opening morning to look else where.
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Oh okay! Just curious, thought you might have some special technique for differentiating between coastie and non-coastie vehicles. I know on my truck I don't have a license plate frame from a dealer or anything else to identify it as such.
I was told that license plates are made in lots, and certain lots get shipped out to different areas. So, if he knew which plates went where, he could tell you. I know that the last three letters on the plate on my old car were the same last three as probably 50 cars (that I saw) in the same area.
2005 and newer, west side. 1990 and older east side! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
So what you are telling me is, next time I go over to the dry side I should put a "Ron Paul" bumper sticker on the old truck? Then I will fit right in? :chuckle:
Why don't you have one anyways? :dunno:
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Well....it wasn't as bad as i thought it would be. Myself and my wife were at the gate ready to hunt at about 5:15 am. We saw another truck parked at a gate next to the one we parked at. They saw us and decided to move in to there area during the dark. As we were getting ready another truck pulled up and parked and I figure we better move on and be ready for daylight. We hiked about a mile and half in before legal shooting light and then stopped and waitied for daylight to come. At this point I was getting frusterated I figured the area would be crawling with hunters. Daylight came and we heard 2 shots which I was assuming to be the group that went in before we did. Anyways we hunted for about 2-3 hours and didn't see anyone and of course heard a few shots in the distance. We decided to call it on the account of my boots which were falling apart soles were coming off and my foot was getting wet. As we came out we saw 2 hunters about 300 yards or so from the gat sitting on a ridge over looking a clearcut. No deer for us but the season is not over. I just expected the see a bunch of people and really didn't.
I decided to take a drive after we packed up and check out a few different areas. We saw one gate with 9 cars at it talk about combat hunting. What was strange was there were gates with no one at them or maybe one truck. We will be back at this coming weekend probabley not going to same area just going to change it up because we didn't see much of any sign or anyhting. Too much pressure in the area maybe.
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I hunt modern on the westside and I never hunt the first week of the season. People thin out after the first week.