Post by: ROCKWHEELER on September 15, 2014, 09:12:17 PM
Post by: 270Shooter on September 15, 2014, 09:16:48 PM
Post by: grade-creek-rd on September 16, 2014, 10:21:11 PM
...pulled the trigger 4 times (the second elk took two rounds but died within 15 yards). I handload the 139grn GMX.
Post by: Nature Boy on September 17, 2014, 07:27:38 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on September 17, 2014, 08:00:39 PM
Both will work for whatever class animal you wanna hunt. That being said I'd go with the 280...
Post by: bobcat on September 17, 2014, 09:02:33 PM
What's a class 3 animal?
:yeah: :dunno:
Post by: 280ackley on September 17, 2014, 09:08:02 PM
280 ackley because it's something different and cool.:yeah:
Post by: coachcw on September 17, 2014, 09:25:00 PM
Post by: Dan-o on September 17, 2014, 09:26:01 PM
Post by: ROCKWHEELER on September 18, 2014, 12:21:57 AM
Post by: ROCKWHEELER on September 18, 2014, 12:23:59 AM
Post by: RadSav on September 18, 2014, 12:31:22 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on September 18, 2014, 12:19:29 PM
Post by: Nature Boy on September 18, 2014, 01:00:27 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on September 18, 2014, 06:39:57 PM
Post by: RadSav on September 18, 2014, 06:56:00 PM
What's a class 3 animal?
:yeah: :dunno:
Oh, I did not see that question. Thankfully Chuck Hawks has it written down really well, "I think the basic idea is a good one, and it gives the novice a starting point in caliber and load selection."
http://www.chuckhawks.com/cxp.htm (http://www.chuckhawks.com/cxp.htm)
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on September 18, 2014, 07:01:07 PM
Post by: RadSav on September 18, 2014, 07:16:06 PM
Well hell, I've killed level 3 critters with a 85 gr Boolit from a 243.. Surely a 7 ought 8 or a 280 AI will work!!! Grin
One of the greatest bullet ads of all time was the Nosler Partition ad where a guy tells his story of killing the charging Kodiak with his .243! I bought my first 6mm gun shortly after and killed a 380+ plus blackbear with it that year. Friend of mines father borrowed it after he had an accident and couldn't shoot his magnum. Killed a bear and an elk with it using Core-Lokt bullets!
I think my 180 grain .30's and 250 grain .33 magnums do a better job on elk for sure. But, I think with todays bullets especially, there is a lot of grey area with the classifications. A LOT!!!
One of these days I'm going to dig through some old Field & Stream magazines and find that ad. I've search online and can not seem to find it. If I do find it I'll post it up on H-W. That ad cost my brother and I a lot of money :chuckle:
Post by: eburgtrapper on September 19, 2014, 05:20:45 PM
Post by: T Pearce on November 04, 2014, 07:57:52 PM
Spend the money saved on other gear.
T
8)
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on November 05, 2014, 05:04:39 AM
Post by: RadSav on November 05, 2014, 05:15:24 AM
Isn't the 708 in the ascent lighter? I'd go that route. If equal I'd go 280. The 708 will work fine for everything in Wa. I want the Montana in 308 or 708.
I think there is suppose to be a difference of eight ounces and two inches of barrel length. I like the barrel contour of the Ascent much better than the contour of the Montana. I actually like the little heavier Montana for shooting offhand, but it is still almost too light to shoot much beyond 150 yards offhand. If Kimber would change all their barrel contours somewhere between the Ascent and the Sako I'd probably sell all but a couple of my rifles and replace them with Kimbers!
Post by: addicted on November 05, 2014, 05:37:33 AM
As much as I like the 280's, the original still has more heart to it since the 7x64's run an 8 to 8.5 twist. A case the size of 280 AI has dull teeth when you put a leash on it keeping it with boring 140 grain bullets.
Post by: lewy on November 05, 2014, 05:56:49 AM
Post by: RadSav on November 05, 2014, 06:34:25 AM
They have had feeding issues with the ai due to steep shoulder and faulty ramp on the ascent, but it can be fixed. Its irritating to me tho, that a $2000 rig from Kimber needs work to function properly :twocents:
Wow! That is surprising. I have had no issues with steep shoulder rounds from the Kimbers. Though I have not yet shot an Ascent. I have had issues with the magazine not holding cartridges tight enough to keep from damaging points. Also problems with the magazine box not being properly fit so the tip of the next bullet bites into the box damaging the point of your #2 round. In the 325 it was enough to break the tips completely off Accubonds. In the 270WSM it was enough to split the tip on the Accubond from front to back. But all was rather easy to fix with a little patience and a steady hand. I do agree...for Kimber money these little attention to detail things should be taken care of before you buy!
Post by: addicted on November 05, 2014, 06:54:55 AM
If the ROT was and inch tighter on the 280 it would matter more to me. The 9.5 twist in it isn't for much over 160 which is where it could run away from the 7-08 since it would loose case capacity after 150's.
As much as I like the 280's, the original still has more heart to it since the 7x64's run an 8 to 8.5 twist. A case the size of 280 AI has dull teeth when you put a leash on it keeping it with boring 140 grain bullets.
I'm still not seeing a 7-08 mountain ascent on kimbers website. The other models have it with a 9 twist though. It's kinda a joke, they are playing to the speed trend everyone is after, making it in a cartridge that should be able to handle heavier bullets then put a slower twist on it. Superformance. Lol
Post by: puyallupaul on November 05, 2014, 07:18:12 AM
Post by: timberfaller on November 05, 2014, 07:47:41 AM
Post by: bradslam on November 05, 2014, 07:59:08 AM
If the ROT was and inch tighter on the 280 it would matter more to me. The 9.5 twist in it isn't for much over 160 which is where it could run away from the 7-08 since it would loose case capacity after 150's.
As much as I like the 280's, the original still has more heart to it since the 7x64's run an 8 to 8.5 twist. A case the size of 280 AI has dull teeth when you put a leash on it keeping it with boring 140 grain bullets.
I'm still not seeing a 7-08 mountain ascent on kimbers website. The other models have it with a 9 twist though. It's kinda a joke, they are playing to the speed trend everyone is after, making it in a cartridge that should be able to handle heavier bullets then put a slower twist on it. Superformance. Lol
The Mountain Ascent is not available in 7mm-08. When I read the original post I checked the website and didn't see one, so I called Kimber. They confirmed that they are not making them in that caliber and have no immediate plans to do so. I did tell them that I would like to see the Mountain Ascent available in 7mm-08 and .257 Roberts.
Post by: addicted on November 05, 2014, 09:51:50 AM
If the ROT was and inch tighter on the 280 it would matter more to me. The 9.5 twist in it isn't for much over 160 which is where it could run away from the 7-08 since it would loose case capacity after 150's.
As much as I like the 280's, the original still has more heart to it since the 7x64's run an 8 to 8.5 twist. A case the size of 280 AI has dull teeth when you put a leash on it keeping it with boring 140 grain bullets.
I'm still not seeing a 7-08 mountain ascent on kimbers website. The other models have it with a 9 twist though. It's kinda a joke, they are playing to the speed trend everyone is after, making it in a cartridge that should be able to handle heavier bullets then put a slower twist on it. Superformance. Lol
The Mountain Ascent is not available in 7mm-08. When I read the original post I checked the website and didn't see one, so I called Kimber. They confirmed that they are not making them in that caliber and have no immediate plans to do so. I did tell them that I would like to see the Mountain Ascent available in 7mm-08 and .257 Roberts.
Interesting. Really playing to the reloaders crowd with that one...grafs is showing 18 products for 7-08 and 280ai is bolstering a grand total of 2. I'm with brad.
Post by: h2ofowlr on November 05, 2014, 05:10:24 PM
Post by: GEARHEAD on November 09, 2014, 09:42:48 AM
Post by: addicted on November 09, 2014, 01:19:44 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on November 26, 2014, 10:01:02 PM
Post by: Utah on December 20, 2014, 07:40:58 PM
Post by: slm9s on February 03, 2015, 09:47:22 PM
"too much of a good thing" comes to mind.
Montana 84m 7-08 or 84L in 280ai - take your pick. I'd pick the 280ai though, as long actions don't bother me and a little extra horsepower would be welcome when hunting elk.