Post by: BKMFR on September 21, 2014, 07:21:55 PM
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Post by: BKMFR on September 21, 2014, 07:46:51 PM
Thanks again!
Post by: Bob33 on September 21, 2014, 07:48:33 PM
Post by: BKMFR on September 21, 2014, 07:58:08 PM
Mine worked great today, then after disassembling I have the issue...
Post by: Damnimissed on September 21, 2014, 08:03:28 PM
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Post by: Sabotloader on September 22, 2014, 09:07:27 AM
Got my new Knight Ultra Lite and really like it, shot it today, and had a good session, but when I cleaned it this afternoon I can't get it to fire now. It appears the firing pin/striker is not reaching the cap. I disassembled and reassembled according to directions, but now not working... Can't figure out what I did wrong, any suggestions would be appreciated.... I am familiar with Black powder cleaning, but this is my first Knight.....
Getting to the discussion a bit late... Been in Spokane all weekend baking in the sun watching the granddaughters play FP softball...
When I read this my first thought was the secondary safety was/is not screwed out to the stop, but someone else already brought that one up...
The odd part was that it worked great in the beginning. So my next question might be, when you got the rifle new did you clean the rifle before shooting? In that cleaning did you remove the breech plug and re-install it? If you did do you remember if you installed it until it was snug? In the initial cleaning did you take apart your bolt assembly? probably not but need to ask..
OK.. so at the point you are at now, when you open the bolt to re-cock the rifle close the bolt and pull the trigger - I assume the hammer moves forward - two things to look at... 1) how far way from the rear of the bolt shroud is the secondary safety thumb screw? The secondary safety should almost be touching the face of the shroud and there should only be one or two threads of the hammer visible.
It should look something like this...
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FArchive%2Fbolt.jpg&hash=9c022b18a8ffdc7a9ff9cb6929a31d43da860ebc) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/Archive/bolt.jpg.html)
Then if you look in the side of the rifle where the hammer and nipple are you should see the hammer extended out the face of the bolt. This picture shows the correct amount of extension...
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FArchive%2FIMG_2643.jpg&hash=92841c5b0cd536eca96d5c60f4e0b77df8f6ef77) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/Archive/IMG_2643.jpg.html)
If all of that is correct the hammer should be very close to the top of the nipple post, not quite touching it but very close. There should be a space less than the thickness of a piece of printer paper.
One other question and I assume the answer is 'no' - but you have not changed the nipple? You are still using the factory Knight nipple correct? Speaking of that which nipple are you using - the Musket or #11? I really do not like the Musket nipple but I know other do. To compound that problem there are two types of Musket nipples, one with a straight post and one with an off-set post. If you are using the musket nipple which one is yours?
Have not talked about taking the bolt apart and re-assembling it at this point but that may be the next thing assuming that you took the bolt apart to clean it also.
Hope some of this might help
mike
Post by: Mark Brenckle on September 22, 2014, 12:37:26 PM
Post by: swift on September 22, 2014, 01:04:58 PM
Post by: swift on September 22, 2014, 01:12:21 PM
I have absolutely fallen in love with the ultralight but this load does make it kick you like a mule :)
Post by: Sabotloader on September 22, 2014, 01:20:13 PM
I was having the same problem with my new ultralight sabot loader had me check measurement of breech plug always in spec figured out that you can tighten the bolt too much when you put it back together screw the firing pin assembly into the bowl handle all the way then back it out one full turn then aline it's a flaw in the design they did not know they have I also switched to a Thompson Center flamethrower musket nipple it's .020 longer than the knight nipples I now get perfect ignition for up to 50 shots without worrying
Now that is good to know - wonder if the #11's are also longer...
Post by: swift on September 22, 2014, 01:45:52 PM
When I told Tanner about the firing pin bolt handle issue he went and got one check it out and was amazed that you could over tighten it you would think spring it into tight would make the firing pin stick out farther but it does the opposite
Post by: whacker1 on September 22, 2014, 01:54:09 PM
Post by: BKMFR on September 22, 2014, 03:14:03 PM
BKMFR
Post by: Damnimissed on September 22, 2014, 04:29:29 PM
Post by: HntnFsh on September 22, 2014, 04:50:43 PM
Thank you very much Sabotloader! :tup:
Post by: Sabotloader on September 22, 2014, 05:13:33 PM
If, when you take your bolt apart to clean or change available options, one of the things that makes the rifles so versatile, then you re-assemble I would suggest following the fallowing options.
1. Make totally sure that the secondary safety is turned in as far as it will go - sometimes this take a hefty twist to get the last little bit.
2. Insert the hammer assembly in the bolt housing and turn it clockwise until it stops turning.
The third step is where it get a bit interesting...
a. In the older blots and the majority of the bolts you would then rotate the hammer assembly back counter clockwise until the hammer assembly and bolt housing are aligned correctly. Surface 'A' Should align with surface 'B' and the 'Striker Tip" should align with the 'Detent" at the top of the strike ramp. With alignment, begin carefully un-screwing the secondary safety until it is completely out.
This picture shows the correct alignment...
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FArchive%2FBoltAlignment2.jpg&hash=a8d9d81b6ff91aa61de833a91014018d8ae87973) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/Archive/BoltAlignment2.jpg.html)
Step 'a' is the normal procedure for the bulk of the older Knight Bolts. But, in some cases it will not work with the newer bolt assemblies.
If you have completed the re-assembly through step 'a' re-insert the bolt in the rifle and if all works great you now a ready to go. If it does not fire the primer or the cap or the bolt handle is very tight/difficult to close or lift.
then move to step 'b'
b. remove the Bolt again - reset the secondary safety in to pull the 'striker' out of the detent. Then rotate the Hammer Assembly one full turn counter-clockwise. Release the secondary safety and re-install the bolt. The hammer assembly will now operate normally.
I am certainly not the best writer in the world so I hope those that have a Knight understand the procedure.
mike
Post by: Sabotloader on September 22, 2014, 05:16:21 PM
Sabotloader is an amazing resource for us! We are fortunate to have him as a member. I cant think of anyone that is better about giving out information and helping us with our muzzleloader questions. He goes into great detail and makes excellent post for us. His pictures and explanations are awesome!
Thank you very much Sabotloader! :tup:
OK folks that is really getting mushy - nothing that any of the rest of you-all would not do when information you have needs to be shared...
mike
Post by: Bob33 on September 24, 2014, 06:49:16 AM
Sabotloader is an amazing resource for us! We are fortunate to have him as a member. I cant think of anyone that is better about giving out information and helping us with our muzzleloader questions. He goes into great detail and makes excellent post for us. His pictures and explanations are awesome!
Thank you very much Sabotloader! :tup:
:yeah: x10