Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 22, 2014, 02:52:06 PM
"unlawful to hunt with an arrow less than 20 inches in length OR weighing less then 6 grains per pound of draw weight with a minimum weight of 300 grains."
so does this mean my arrows must weight 175-200 grains (before the broadhead weight) , or does this mean if my arrows are over 20" im automatically good? all of my arrows are PSE 200's. but id like to replace them with some in the 300-400 range Im told :dunno:
thanks
Post by: bobcat on September 22, 2014, 02:56:44 PM
Post by: 92xj on September 22, 2014, 02:57:51 PM
Post by: rover758 on September 22, 2014, 03:04:25 PM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 22, 2014, 03:04:28 PM
Post by: 92xj on September 22, 2014, 03:06:03 PM
92 there is nothing else on my arrows :dunno: :bash:
What's the exact arrow and numbers on them, I will see if I can find the grains per inch for you.
Post by: 92xj on September 22, 2014, 03:08:29 PM
http://www.bowhunterssuperstore.com/arrow-shafts-c-520_1297.html?osCsid=b4a07409447c427751708b485cf5c538 (http://www.bowhunterssuperstore.com/arrow-shafts-c-520_1297.html?osCsid=b4a07409447c427751708b485cf5c538)
Post by: Stick em on September 22, 2014, 04:11:34 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on September 22, 2014, 04:15:09 PM
Your arrows have to be compliant with all the specs. At least 20 inches, you got that unless your really short. 6 grains per lb of draw weight, minimum 300 grains total. This includes your broadhead, insert, nock and vanes. I suggest getting a digital scale for weighing mail. Weigh your assembled arrow to insure legal specs. For example your shooting a 28 inch arrow that weighs 8.2 grains per inch, 100 grain tip, insert and vanes. It should weigh about 340 grains. That will be legal for 56lb draw or less. If you shoot a 70lb bow your arrow should weight 420 grains. The advantage of the scale you will notice that all arrows do not weight the same, even if they are all out of the same box.:yeah:
Post by: Special T on September 22, 2014, 04:26:22 PM
Full length eason epics 400 are 31" long 8.6 GPI unless your a midget your shooting an arrow over 25" long. that right puts you right at 215 and that does not includethe fletching knock insert etc. so 100 grain broad head or more your fine.
I would imagine that where your going to run into trouble is a youth shooting a min legal draw weight (40-45lb bow). trying to get that to weight, shoot good and straight with out too much additional arch.
I would bet you have a 60lb bow and a 28 in draw. So it is very likely that your arrow is at LEAST 28" long if not longer. arrows tend to shoot better with the weight balanced more forward slightly....
This state should just do a MIN calculation for KE something like the min arrow is 20" with a weight based on the 40-45lb min lb draw... :bash:
Post by: Rainier10 on September 22, 2014, 04:28:17 PM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 22, 2014, 04:42:08 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on September 22, 2014, 05:05:04 PM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on September 22, 2014, 05:10:04 PM
Take that and multiply it by 6. Then weigh your complete arrow setup and see if its heavier than the number you got when you multiplied your draw weight by 6. If it is your good to go!
Post by: winshooter88 on September 22, 2014, 05:34:39 PM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 22, 2014, 08:43:55 PM
so...
the arrows are 30"
the draw length is 28"
the broadheads are 125 grain
and the draw weight is dead on 60 lbs after checking just now i was told 70 but its 60.
Rainier said these are 8.6gr per ", so...
so if im correct im at 258.3 + 125 for the broadheads putting me at 383.1 ? PLUS another 30 gr or so for fletching etc, so im legal?
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 22, 2014, 08:46:19 PM
Post by: Special T on September 22, 2014, 08:50:26 PM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 22, 2014, 09:08:10 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 22, 2014, 10:02:42 PM
Post by: rover758 on September 23, 2014, 06:13:04 AM
Post by: kckrawler on September 23, 2014, 08:14:34 AM
http://www.huntersfriend.com/carbon_arrows/hunting_arrows_selection_guide_chapter_1.htm (http://www.huntersfriend.com/carbon_arrows/hunting_arrows_selection_guide_chapter_1.htm)
I found it very helpful and informative when I was getting set up. There's other good information on the site if you feel like studying up some more, this link just takes you to the arrow section. :tup:
Post by: Special T on September 23, 2014, 07:37:56 PM
at 40 yards im pretty solid with groups in a 4" circumference. thats with 200 spline.
If that is with a broad head and that is your max yardage then id say your OK. You may be able to tighten it up some more with more refinement. :tup:
Post by: bobcat on September 23, 2014, 09:48:10 PM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 24, 2014, 08:58:02 AM
I can't take it anymore- the word is "spine," not "spline.":chuckle: thats funny
Post by: jackelope on September 24, 2014, 09:09:13 AM
I can't take it anymore- the word is "spine," not "spline."
I can't believe I did that. I even know that...
I could blame it on autocorrect I guess.
:yike:
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 24, 2014, 09:14:46 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on September 24, 2014, 09:24:06 AM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 24, 2014, 09:26:15 AM
Post by: bobcat on September 24, 2014, 09:33:30 AM
KC, one more question about your draw weight are you getting that 60lbs at full draw or part ways through the draw? You might have a 70lb draw and when it gets to full draw and the letoff you may be at 60lbs. You would actually have a 70lb draw bow and would need to match your arrows to that.
A 70 pound draw weight with an 80% let off would mean he'd only be holding 14 pounds at full draw, not 60 pounds. :o
Post by: jackelope on September 24, 2014, 09:39:13 AM
Post by: bobcat on September 24, 2014, 09:51:06 AM
Post by: jackelope on September 24, 2014, 10:01:37 AM
I assumed that was the spine...
Post by: Rainier10 on September 24, 2014, 10:35:33 AM
Not sure how much experience he has with a bow or measuring draw weight. If he was doing it himself and not real experienced my concern was it was a 70lb bow that he pulled to full draw with a scale and then was pulling through the valley/letoff and up against the back wall still pulling hard, maybe 60lbs and not realizing he could let up only hold the letoff weight.KC, one more question about your draw weight are you getting that 60lbs at full draw or part ways through the draw? You might have a 70lb draw and when it gets to full draw and the letoff you may be at 60lbs. You would actually have a 70lb draw bow and would need to match your arrows to that.
A 70 pound draw weight with an 80% let off would mean he'd only be holding 14 pounds at full draw, not 60 pounds. :o
Again the forum thing is tough to communicate through and maybe I didn't explain myself clear enough as to what I thought the problem might be.
I really think he needs to take it to a pro shop and see what he has and verify that he has the correct and legal arrows.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 24, 2014, 02:43:44 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 24, 2014, 02:55:58 PM
the shop tested it, its at 60. the arrows are 200 spine according to PSE
Did the shop set you up with those arrows?
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 24, 2014, 03:00:22 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 24, 2014, 03:29:13 PM
I can't take it anymore- the word is "spine," not "spline."
Makes my eye twitch. :o
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 12:44:33 AM