Post by: muzzleman on September 24, 2014, 08:54:55 AM
Post by: Sabotloader on September 24, 2014, 10:49:21 AM
I got drawn for a Margret Bull tag this year, and I don't want to mess up with the wrong sabot and grain for my Elk. What is the best Sabot and grain for my TCF Black Diamond 50 cal? And how many grains of triple 7 does everyone use?
There are a lot of good bullets out there, both premium and mass produced...
Personally I use 110 grains of T7-3f pushing a 300 grain Lehigh/Bloodline bullet in a MMP or Knight 458x50 sabot. It really a deadly combination.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FCompositeBloodline.jpg&hash=f0771c8199c9548be7959c5a8dda18f2766ba1ed) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/CompositeBloodline.jpg.html)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FBloodlineBullets.png&hash=9b21d28da321776fcfe678eb258dd5d93e070499) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/BloodlineBullets.png.html)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FLehigh300DOA.jpg&hash=745411efe692901bdf43e61ca24d9c314dafcd5b) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/Lehigh300DOA.jpg.html)
Post by: Damnimissed on September 24, 2014, 11:37:45 AM
Post by: Sabotloader on September 24, 2014, 11:46:00 AM
Hey SL, are the Orange mmp's any easier to load in an Ultralite? Man, the red ones are tough to get started. I'm probably gonna have to carry some sst's/crush rib for quick follow up shots. The Bloodlines shoot real nice though...and they're pretty!
No they are the same sabot just different colored... Try this.... place the bullet in the sabot and just before forcing it down the bore, roll the outside of the sabot on your tongue... do not have to get it wet just a bit moist which acts as a bit of lubrication.
Once you get it pushed through the crown - how does it go down the bore.
If that does not work there is an alternative... but there is also a possible problem...
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2F458-305.jpg&hash=ed23af00ee24ea555cd266b7bac7ff6ebbfd8e22) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/458-305.jpg.html)
mike
Post by: Damnimissed on September 24, 2014, 12:22:34 PM
Thanks for your input. It's much appreciated.
Ron
Post by: Damnimissed on September 24, 2014, 12:30:50 PM
Post by: SnakeEyes on September 24, 2014, 12:41:28 PM
Post by: scottcrb on September 24, 2014, 12:51:25 PM
:yeah: samething I.useI got drawn for a Margret Bull tag this year, and I don't want to mess up with the wrong sabot and grain for my Elk. What is the best Sabot and grain for my TCF Black Diamond 50 cal? And how many grains of triple 7 does everyone use?
There are a lot of good bullets out there, both premium and mass produced...
Personally I use 110 grains of T7-3f pushing a 300 grain Lehigh/Bloodline bullet in a MMP or Knight 458x50 sabot. It really a deadly combination.
Post by: WSU on September 24, 2014, 01:09:04 PM
I am using the Barnes Spit-Fire 290 grain T-EZ with 110 grains of Triple 7.
Same here. The T-EZ loads a lot easier in my gun. Still very snug but others have been damn-near impossible to get down the barrel.
Post by: Sabotloader on September 24, 2014, 01:10:12 PM
Right now, after I get it through the crown it eases up a bit but is still nice and snug. It's getting it a couple inches past the crown that's tough. I even messed up a sabot due to bad alignment because of the force it took to get it started. I'll try the spit lube on Saturday for my final shoot before elk season....also, what alternatives or problems do you speak of??
Thanks for your input. It's much appreciated.
Ron
The bullet I showed is a Lehigh .458x305 grain. It is designed to be used in a 45-70 rifle which normally have a 1-16 twist. They are an outstanding bullet from that platform.
The two factors that make it work in a tight ml barrels are the deep grooves around the bullet that provide less over all pressure to put it down the bore + the bullet is held to a much tighter specifications than are the ML 300's. The second advantage is the weight of the nose petals... The nose of this bullet is heavier and will provide more internal damage.
BUT... Most 50 cal ML's are 1-28 twist. Because of its overall length the bullet should be marginal in a 1-28 in that you might not achieve stabilization. They will work very well in a 1-28 IF you shoot it with enough velocity and IF it does not slip up or across the lands. it needs to start its rotation right away and maintain its grip. Actually this is suppose to happen with any bullet you shoot but since most of the bullets we shoot are shorter you have a margin of error.
So what I am saying is if the regular .458x300 gr. Bloodline is TO tight subbing this bullet might work very well for you. In fact in my case I end not using the 458 sabot and move to a thicker black HPH-24 they load very well and are snug all the way down the bore...
Post by: muzzleman on September 24, 2014, 01:39:42 PM
Post by: Chukarhead on September 24, 2014, 08:08:11 PM
Thanks for the input Thats exactly what I have been using. is the Bloodline 300 grain with 110 grains of T7. I just wanted to make sure I was using the best for my upcoming hunt in the Margret.
If that's what you're used to, definitely don't change it now. It'll kill one dead...if you hit it in the boiler room. We expect a full report! :IBCOOL:
Post by: muzzleman on September 24, 2014, 08:39:10 PM
Post by: huntnnw on September 24, 2014, 10:02:14 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 25, 2014, 03:09:29 PM
:o
If I was going to hunt elk with muzzleloader, I'd look at all-copper bullets like mentioned above.
Post by: hunterrcc on September 26, 2014, 12:44:50 AM
Post by: Machias on September 26, 2014, 06:08:18 AM
Post by: higunner on September 28, 2014, 06:38:31 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 28, 2014, 07:09:52 PM
150 grains of loose powder and an all-lead PowerBelt.:yeah: I can not see anyone wanting to shoot something different now that they changed the law ..unless you are a hardcore muzzleloader hunter and you stick with a round ball or lead maxi-ball :dunno: :chuckle: I wish I would have killed the bull I called in yesterday So I could see what that 300 gr jacketed bullet would have done to him :(
:o
If I was going to hunt elk with muzzleloader, I'd look at all-copper bullets like mentioned above.
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on September 28, 2014, 07:38:19 PM
Post by: huntnnw on September 28, 2014, 10:52:34 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 29, 2014, 01:23:44 PM
Best thing to happen to wildlife in this state was changing the laws on the bullets! way to many idiots dont understand muzzleloaders and how they work with all lead! They think cause they shoot there 06 with 160gr bullets that buying 200 gr is plenty and hell faster is better.
I get way better penetration with a lower charge (105 grains) of loose powder vs. a "Magnum" charge.
Post by: tdwilson on September 29, 2014, 03:48:23 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on September 30, 2014, 11:01:18 AM
I have a knight disc extreme and run the 275 grain bloodlines with 120 grains of fffg. Never had any problems with penetration or knock down power with ths combination out to 200 yards for deer/elk. Have killed 6 deer with this setup and not one has gone more than 40 yards.
I have said all along that the .458x275 Lehigh/Bloodline is the best all-around bullet made.
Post by: SkookumHntr on September 30, 2014, 11:07:26 AM
Post by: mossyhead on October 02, 2014, 08:31:49 PM
Post by: gadwall on October 06, 2014, 05:55:04 AM
PR Bullet. " Dead Centers" 340 grainers always do the job for me
Well said. I have had awesome results with the dead center bullets.
Post by: jimbow on October 06, 2014, 08:24:10 PM
Post by: higunner on October 06, 2014, 09:34:05 PM
Post by: Dan-o on October 06, 2014, 09:36:32 PM
Post by: usmc74 on October 07, 2014, 08:20:51 PM
290 gr Barnes TMZ, 110 gr T7, FFFG
68 yards, died right there
Post by: longstevo on October 07, 2014, 08:37:56 PM
What distance are you all sighting in at, and are these loads getting good groups?
I was shooting 295 gr Powerbelts with 100 gr 777 and I couldn't get anything to group out of my Knight Wolverine.
Post by: huntnnw on October 07, 2014, 11:09:42 PM
I couldnt find anymore Barnes 300 gr,so I went with the Hornadys 300 gr sst's this year...I am wishing I had used Barnes now. My gf shot her first elk 2 nights ago a spike at 35 yards barely qtr away...bullet did not exit and never found it! followed blood for 400 yards bright red with air bubbles in the blood. Very disappointed and dont know what happend! I will gurantee if I had a Barnes in the gun it would of exited
Post by: hunterrcc on October 08, 2014, 12:22:05 AM
Three bulls all three bullets look the same and took one shot to kill. 100 grains of pellets pyrodex is deadly!
Post by: usmc74 on October 08, 2014, 05:07:37 AM
My bullet looked just like that! I was above the elk, it was bedded, facing away. Shot went in next to spine, found in bottom of lung. Huge cut across the heart.
Post by: Big Horn on November 03, 2014, 09:14:56 PM
Post by: Tom Tamer on November 04, 2014, 09:14:24 PM