Post by: atfulldraw on September 24, 2014, 04:56:17 PM
Post by: MountainDevil54 on September 24, 2014, 04:58:28 PM
I only had problems when not seating the musket cap hard enough onto the nipple shaft.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 24, 2014, 05:07:53 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 25, 2014, 09:44:26 AM
how smooth is the firing pin as it exits the assembly? Pull the trigger back all the way and hold it. With your thumb, push the hammer forward and push back and forth on it.
I only had problems when not seating the musket cap hard enough onto the nipple shaft.
My firing pin is extra smooth when pushed. I have Pushed and cleaned it a few times trying to figure it out. Last night I pulled it out and tried pushing the RWS cap on extra tight. It went off first try. Then second try on the next two caps. I think its a weak hammer spring in the stock guns. The firing pin spring retract the pin back to its position and shouldn't have anything to do with the pin going forward, only back. The hammer spring feels weak to me.
Post by: atfulldraw on September 25, 2014, 05:56:51 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 25, 2014, 06:01:36 PM
Post by: atfulldraw on September 25, 2014, 07:50:34 PM
What What!!!! not fair! She had the same problem? If so let us know if it fixes the problem and we just have faulty guns. Did you ship the other rifle to them?I'll ship it out tomorrow or Saturday.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 29, 2014, 06:02:09 AM
Post by: atfulldraw on September 29, 2014, 07:08:06 AM
did the new gun fix the rws cap ignition issue? I installed the new firing pin assembly and no change. Ill be calling CVA today.It's supposed to come in the mail today, I'll let you know how it works.
Post by: Simcoe hunter on November 09, 2014, 03:08:04 PM
Post by: MountainDevil54 on November 09, 2014, 04:19:27 PM
Post by: Simcoe hunter on November 09, 2014, 07:43:15 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on November 10, 2014, 07:57:02 AM
Btw I did get new firing pin assembly and installed it prior to cutting one of the springs down. I only removed a tiny bit of the spring. Just enough that the pressure the hammer generates is enough to strike the pin hard into every cap. It hits it hard, leaving a deep impression on the rws cap. The pin took a bit of twisting to get back to shape, so it would slide over the pin smoothly. I felt I had it fixed but haven't fired the gun, just test caps.
Post by: Katmai Guy on November 10, 2014, 08:04:44 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on November 11, 2014, 12:25:22 PM
Post by: Simcoe hunter on November 11, 2014, 03:53:58 PM
This sucks for you guys. How could a person ever feel good about hunting with a muzzleloader that doesn't go off dang close to 100 percent of the time.
Exactly the reason I took it back. Cancelled my back order at the big box outdoor store and ordered from a smaller shop ot of LaGrande, Oregon. They are opening the box and ensuring that all sight are un-damaged and that the firing mechanism works prior to shipping. Couldn't get the big store to do that for me. They'ld rather have you waste gas and pay for shipping from heck to breakfast rather than make a happy(return) customer the first time.
Post by: Sabotloader on November 11, 2014, 06:52:09 PM
I'm having a ton of trouble getting the musket caps to go off with any consistency (it takes 2-5 strikes). I am using the rws caps and I also got a new firing pin assembly from CVA and that didn't seem to make it any better. I also tried pulling the hammer back all the way and thumbed it like Clint Eastwood and it went off every time. It almost seems like where the hammer locks it doesn't have enough energy stored in the hammer spring. :dunno: Any help would be appreciated.
This seems to be an ongoing problem in many CVA/Traditions using musket caps. Actually Knight had the same problem with there Western Edition rifles. Knight solved the problem by creating a musket nipple with an off-set cap post.
I wrote/suggested this in another thread and will bring a copy over here...
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Here is a pic. I tried it one more time and it did not fire. :bash: The one on the left, was the misfire. The one on the right, new.
Maybe this will help ?? :dunno:
This gun was just purchased about 2 months ago - brand new.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=161589.0;attach=322910;image)
OK - I am going to throw this out there for what it might be worth....
1. if you were shooting #11 caps I would bet the farm you would not have any problems with ignition!
2. Why.... a cap is not like a primer - punching the middle of the cap will not cause ignition - all you are doing is pushing the ignition material in the primer stack on the nipple. Looking at your examples - I think it is obvious that you hitting the caps very hard causing the almost perfect depression in the middle of the cap. The get a cap to fire you must jamb the ignition material in the cap into a hard object like the rim of the cap. The compression then starts ignition... If the DIAMETER of your firing pin were a little larger than the diameter of the cap you would certainly get ignition.
Knight often has/had the same problem and to solve the problem they are making and shipping a Musket nipple with an offset stack so the hammer/firing pin drives the edge of the cap into the leading edge/top of the nipple stack.
Again will a #11 you would not have this problem because the hammer covers the diameter of the cap.
Here is a picture to show the offset stack..
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FOffsetMusketStack.jpg&hash=7ebe81c772f29fecc68e3c79250bf0b8cbb47ffe) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/OffsetMusketStack.jpg.html)
Hope some of this makes some sense...
Post by: Simcoe hunter on November 11, 2014, 07:34:53 PM
Post by: andersonjk4 on November 12, 2014, 09:18:07 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on November 12, 2014, 11:41:42 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on November 12, 2014, 08:35:49 PM
Cut the spring. It fixed it. The pin is leaving a very deep impression and very few caps don't ignite. the ones that still wont go bang I would say are the caps being faulty.
Very few faulty caps anymore if you buy quality caps. Maybe 1 in a 1000 wont go off. I think its still gun issues and if you have even very few caps that dont go off. Thats a few too many!
Post by: MountainDevil54 on November 12, 2014, 09:08:52 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on November 13, 2014, 09:05:01 AM
Cut the spring. It fixed it. The pin is leaving a very deep impression and very few caps don't ignite. the ones that still wont go bang I would say are the caps being faulty.
Very few faulty caps anymore if you buy quality caps. Maybe 1 in a 1000 wont go off. I think its still gun issues and if you have even very few caps that dont go off. Thats a few too many!
I would have to agree with you - I have caps, both Musket and #11's that have got to be 10 years old and I have no problem with at all. I am not sure the 1-1000 is unrealistic.
With that said I should throw out there a friend of mine had bought some CCI Musket caps that were defective in that the ignition material was not even in the cap. We checked the whole tin and found 3 of the hundred in that condition.
mike
Post by: grousefether on December 04, 2014, 05:43:43 AM
Cut the spring. It fixed it. The pin is leaving a very deep impression and very few caps don't ignite. the ones that still wont go bang I would say are the caps being faulty.
How much did you cut off? Can you post a pic? Having the same issue. Love this little gun so im willing to try anything
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on December 04, 2014, 09:24:52 AM
Cut the spring. It fixed it. The pin is leaving a very deep impression and very few caps don't ignite. the ones that still wont go bang I would say are the caps being faulty.
How much did you cut off? Can you post a pic? Having the same issue. Love this little gun so im willing to try anything
Cant post a pic now im at work :chuckle: Ill throw one up tonight. It was only the portion of the spring that overlaps itself at the end. I only took a 16th of an inch off, roughly. it took a little bending to get it to slide around the pin smoothly. But it relieved a lot of the pressure holding it, so it slaps forward harder. leaving a deep impression on the cap. I have only fired ten caps through it. 8-10 went off first try. I think the extra slap from the pin helps but isn't enough to correct the issue of the nipple not being long enough to get past the "wings" of the rws caps. I think that is the real issue. hopefully CVA makes this right. I doubt they will. Customer service was a joke when I called. They said this hasnt been an issue at all.... They need to send all the faulty gun owners new breech plugs with removable nipples. that are long enough to ignite the caps they recommend.
Post by: grousefether on December 04, 2014, 12:41:19 PM
Post by: MountainDevil54 on December 04, 2014, 03:43:22 PM