Post by: oldschool on September 28, 2014, 06:20:27 AM
Post by: PA BEN on September 28, 2014, 06:35:38 AM
Post by: go4steelhd on September 28, 2014, 06:44:13 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 28, 2014, 07:31:01 AM
Post by: bigtex on September 28, 2014, 07:47:00 AM
Now I heard a different story about the landowner getting money, at least up here. The WDFW doesn't patrol ANY land around here that has the yellow signs on it. They don't have the money to waste, since the state is broke, to have a WDFW Game Warden looking after a landowners land. Maybe on the westside, but not here. :dunno:
Yes, WDFW Officers are supposed to patrol the private lands in WDFW Access programs (feel free to hunt, written permission, register, etc.) However, most of these areas are in counties with very low numbers of WDFW Officers. So you essentially are telling them to do more with the same amount of people. It's not like counties with a lot of private land access get another officer. But as part of landowners going into these programs, they are told they will get more patrol coverage. Now campmeat, historically WDFW has only had 1 officer stationed in Ferry County to cover the entire county. So that's probably why it seems like WDFW doesn't patrol private lands in the program.
It's not a westside vs eastside thing. I know officers in other parts of eastern WA who do patrol the lands in the private lands program.
Post by: swanny on September 28, 2014, 07:53:34 AM
Post by: outdooraddict on September 28, 2014, 07:57:53 AM
Post by: HornHoarder on September 28, 2014, 08:02:32 AM
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on September 28, 2014, 03:25:26 PM
I have had the same experience with those types of properties. Either nobody will answer at the prone number provided, or I leave a message never to be returned? Still curious if these landowners get compensation from the state? If so, what a waste.
No compensation is paid to the landowner. Have friends that were in and now out of the program.
Post by: kirkl on September 28, 2014, 03:57:34 PM
Now I heard a different story about the landowner getting money, at least up here. The WDFW doesn't patrol ANY land around here that has the yellow signs on it. They don't have the money to waste, since the state is broke, to have a WDFW Game Warden looking after a landowners land. Maybe on the westside, but not here. :dunno:
Yes, WDFW Officers are supposed to patrol the private lands in WDFW Access programs (feel free to hunt, written permission, register, etc.) However, most of these areas are in counties with very low numbers of WDFW Officers. So you essentially are telling them to do more with the same amount of people. It's not like counties with a lot of private land access get another officer. But as part of landowners going into these programs, they are told they will get more patrol coverage. Now campmeat, historically WDFW has only had 1 officer stationed in Ferry County to cover the entire county. So that's probably why it seems like WDFW doesn't patrol private lands in the program.
It's not a westside vs eastside thing. I know officers in other parts of eastern WA who do patrol the lands in the private lands program.
So why add a land owner into the program if there is not enough gamines to patrol it? I use to hunt some land like this for elk and land owner would let family hunt then general public. I'd tell them to patrol yourself if I was game department.
Post by: ghosthunter on September 28, 2014, 04:13:00 PM
I often see west side Skagit officers during east side elk and deer.
Post by: Hilltop123 on September 28, 2014, 04:19:16 PM
Post by: bigtex on September 28, 2014, 07:21:54 PM
Officers patrol ALL land within state jurisdiction. It's not like they only patrol land open to the public. An officer can check someone hunting on private property no matter if they are in this program or not. But lands in these programs do get a little bump in the frequency of the patrols.So why add a land owner into the program if there is not enough gamines to patrol it? I use to hunt some land like this for elk and land owner would let family hunt then general public. I'd tell them to patrol yourself if I was game department.Now I heard a different story about the landowner getting money, at least up here. The WDFW doesn't patrol ANY land around here that has the yellow signs on it. They don't have the money to waste, since the state is broke, to have a WDFW Game Warden looking after a landowners land. Maybe on the westside, but not here. :dunno:Yes, WDFW Officers are supposed to patrol the private lands in WDFW Access programs (feel free to hunt, written permission, register, etc.) However, most of these areas are in counties with very low numbers of WDFW Officers. So you essentially are telling them to do more with the same amount of people. It's not like counties with a lot of private land access get another officer. But as part of landowners going into these programs, they are told they will get more patrol coverage. Now campmeat, historically WDFW has only had 1 officer stationed in Ferry County to cover the entire county. So that's probably why it seems like WDFW doesn't patrol private lands in the program.
It's not a westside vs eastside thing. I know officers in other parts of eastern WA who do patrol the lands in the private lands program.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 28, 2014, 07:30:16 PM
Now I heard a different story about the landowner getting money, at least up here. The WDFW doesn't patrol ANY land around here that has the yellow signs on it. They don't have the money to waste, since the state is broke, to have a WDFW Game Warden looking after a landowners land. Maybe on the westside, but not here. :dunno:
Yes, WDFW Officers are supposed to patrol the private lands in WDFW Access programs (feel free to hunt, written permission, register, etc.) However, most of these areas are in counties with very low numbers of WDFW Officers. So you essentially are telling them to do more with the same amount of people. It's not like counties with a lot of private land access get another officer. But as part of landowners going into these programs, they are told they will get more patrol coverage. Now campmeat, historically WDFW has only had 1 officer stationed in Ferry County to cover the entire county. So that's probably why it seems like WDFW doesn't patrol private lands in the program.
It's not a westside vs eastside thing. I know officers in other parts of eastern WA who do patrol the lands in the private lands program.
bigtex,
I don't think we even have a WDFW Game Warden here in Ferry County after Ron retired. I never see any.
Post by: br8kitoff on September 28, 2014, 08:08:02 PM
Post by: T-Dozzer on September 28, 2014, 09:56:08 PM
Post by: steeleywhopper on September 28, 2014, 10:11:30 PM
Post by: Furee65 on September 29, 2014, 12:22:29 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 29, 2014, 08:44:29 PM
CAMPMEAT, you do. I met him last year on curley's property, down by singers place. Seemed like a pretty nice dude.\
I think he comes over from Colville. I've heard the same thing about being a good guy........
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on September 29, 2014, 09:19:37 PM
Post by: bigtex on September 29, 2014, 09:36:11 PM
I know Dan Anderson goes over to Ferry County from Colville from time to time. One of the better Gamies IMO.. He handled a trespassing case for me.
Ferry, Stevens, and Pend Orielle are all one WDFW LE detachment. Basically the officers in those counties bounce all over those 3 counties, even though they may not live in that county.
Post by: Limhangerslayer on September 29, 2014, 10:17:03 PM
not true, but the register top hunt program they are paid 3 dollars an acre and the landowners have full control of when the hunts are conducted. Sounds like a win win for them.I have had the same experience with those types of properties. Either nobody will answer at the prone number provided, or I leave a message never to be returned? Still curious if these landowners get compensation from the state? If so, what a waste.
No compensation is paid to the landowner. Have friends that were in and now out of the program.
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on September 30, 2014, 04:34:00 AM
not true, but the register top hunt program they are paid 3 dollars an acre and the landowners have full control of when the hunts are conducted. Sounds like a win win for them.I have had the same experience with those types of properties. Either nobody will answer at the prone number provided, or I leave a message never to be returned? Still curious if these landowners get compensation from the state? If so, what a waste.
No compensation is paid to the landowner. Have friends that were in and now out of the program.
The yellow signs that say " Hunting By Written Permission"...the landowner does not get compensated.
Post by: bradslam on September 30, 2014, 07:57:30 AM
Post by: Jingles on September 30, 2014, 08:16:19 AM
Post by: huntinguy on September 30, 2014, 08:50:33 AM
The key, we were told, was to use the online system for getting permission.
Also, the DFW has asked for feed back because they don't want it to become a "friends and family" proposition. That was made very clear in the meeting (the money comes out of DFW).
Therefore, if you feel that the land is not being managed according to the rules you NEED to let the DFW know IN WRITING not just a phone call. Give specific details: date, time, location and any-other information you think may be important.
Post by: Gobble Doc on September 30, 2014, 10:26:44 AM
Post by: idahohuntr on September 30, 2014, 10:35:34 AM
Post by: GameHunter1959 on September 30, 2014, 11:22:08 AM
I have had the same experience with those types of properties. Either nobody will answer at the prone number provided, or I leave a message never to be returned? Still curious if these landowners get compensation from the state? If so, what a waste.
No compensation is paid to the landowner. Have friends that were in and now out of the program.
I think where some of the forum members are confused about payments from the WSDFW....
If the land owner is receiving "damage claim reimbursements" from the WSDFW; they are "required" to open up a "portion" of their land. This is called the "land access program". The WSDFW land access managers release a contact information list of participants in September of each year. Hunters can call Olympia and get a copy of the participants list, to use to gain permission to hunt. Olympia will not release the list until a few weeks before the modern season starts.
I think it is somewhat of a joke. Key word "portion". I found most participants opened up a small portion to hunt, which was not worth hunting. All the prime hunting ground was reserved for the land owner. The entire property was posted "hunting by written permission", which is misleading.
I don't think the department should be paying damage claims, unless 100% of the land is available for the department to manage through public hunting.
Post by: Fish4Fun on September 30, 2014, 11:27:45 AM
Post by: GameHunter1959 on September 30, 2014, 12:10:01 PM
The ones that do the research in advance, figure out who to meet, go in person, etc. are the ones granted permission to hunt. I started June 24th this year. I was finally able to get permission to hunt in mid August. Lots of phone calls, internet research, road trips, court house visits, working with the land access managers, working with DNR manager, and door knocking. It is somewhat of a puzzle to try and figure out "who to talk to".
I like it, because I am willing to do what it takes to gain permission to hunt. Most, just want to show up the day before the season and EXPECT to be given permission to hunt.
It's about effort!
Post by: Fish4Fun on September 30, 2014, 12:59:21 PM
I think many seem to think, that that it should be as simple as pick up the phone, get permission, and go hunt. There are a number of factors that go into gaining permission to hunt.
The ones that do the research in advance, figure out who to meet, go in person, etc. are the ones granted permission to hunt. I started June 24th this year. I was finally able to get permission to hunt in mid August. Lots of phone calls, internet research, road trips, court house visits, working with the land access managers, working with DNR manager, and door knocking. It is somewhat of a puzzle to try and figure out "who to talk to".
I like it, because I am willing to do what it takes to gain permission to hunt. Most, just want to show up the day before the season and EXPECT to be given permission to hunt.
It's about effort!
When you are standing at their house in person and have them tell you that they only let Friends and Family hunt the lands you will understand. We have plenty of time and years invested in the area we hunt, and usually pull bucks every year. So we are not crying over no access, it is the unfair way the land is locked up and held only for the F & F every year. I get more pleasure now from taking nice bucks from the state lands that boarder these places. They push them to the state land and we take it from there. :tup:
Post by: GameHunter1959 on September 30, 2014, 01:08:00 PM
I think many seem to think, that that it should be as simple as pick up the phone, get permission, and go hunt. There are a number of factors that go into gaining permission to hunt.
The ones that do the research in advance, figure out who to meet, go in person, etc. are the ones granted permission to hunt. I started June 24th this year. I was finally able to get permission to hunt in mid August. Lots of phone calls, internet research, road trips, court house visits, working with the land access managers, working with DNR manager, and door knocking. It is somewhat of a puzzle to try and figure out "who to talk to".
I like it, because I am willing to do what it takes to gain permission to hunt. Most, just want to show up the day before the season and EXPECT to be given permission to hunt.
It's about effort!
When you are standing at their house in person and have them tell you that they only let Friends and Family hunt the lands you will understand. We have plenty of time and years invested in the area we hunt, and usually pull bucks every year. So we are not crying over no access, it is the unfair way the land is locked up and held only for the F & F every year. I get more pleasure now from taking nice bucks from the state lands that boarder these places. They push them to the state land and we take it from there. :tup:
I do understand and agree with you. Most those signs are a joke. I am making your point for you, by explaining that it is a "puzzle" to try and figure out "who to talk to", as those signs are generally misleading. I'm just pointing out, that "it can be done" and "how I went about doing it". I would guess I called and knocked on 20-25 different land owners doors. I was given permission by 2 of them. One I can hunt whenever I want. The other; only my youth can hunt the property after the land owners friends and family have tagged out.
The point being...
Yes those signs are generally a joke, but it can be done. And it can only be done, if the hunter does a tremendous amount of research and effort, long in advance of the season.
Post by: hughjorgan on September 30, 2014, 04:28:19 PM
I think many seem to think, that that it should be as simple as pick up the phone, get permission, and go hunt. There are a number of factors that go into gaining permission to hunt.
The ones that do the research in advance, figure out who to meet, go in person, etc. are the ones granted permission to hunt. I started June 24th this year. I was finally able to get permission to hunt in mid August. Lots of phone calls, internet research, road trips, court house visits, working with the land access managers, working with DNR manager, and door knocking. It is somewhat of a puzzle to try and figure out "who to talk to".
I like it, because I am willing to do what it takes to gain permission to hunt. Most, just want to show up the day before the season and EXPECT to be given permission to hunt.
It's about effort!
When you are standing at their house in person and have them tell you that they only let Friends and Family hunt the lands you will understand. We have plenty of time and years invested in the area we hunt, and usually pull bucks every year. So we are not crying over no access, it is the unfair way the land is locked up and held only for the F & F every year. I get more pleasure now from taking nice bucks from the state lands that boarder these places. They push them to the state land and we take it from there. :tup:
I do understand and agree with you. Most those signs are a joke. I am making your point for you, by explaining that it is a "puzzle" to try and figure out "who to talk to", as those signs are generally misleading. I'm just pointing out, that "it can be done" and "how I went about doing it". I would guess I called and knocked on 20-25 different land owners doors. I was given permission by 2 of them. One I can hunt whenever I want. The other; only my youth can hunt the property after the land owners friends and family have tagged out.
The point being...
Yes those signs are generally a joke, but it can be done. And it can only be done, if the hunter does a tremendous amount of research and effort, long in advance of the season.
You talked to 20-25 landowners and only got permission to one property. That doesn't sound like the time or effort was worth it.
Wasn't our fee increases from special permits and licenses suppose to go to securing more access on private lands?
Post by: Wacenturion on September 30, 2014, 05:11:23 PM
Be aware that just because the sign says Hunting by Written Permission doesn't mean they have to let everyone who inquires hunt. I hunt properties in the program and the landowners still restrict the number of permission slips they hand out. I usually get it taken care of in January or February, not during the season or immediately before. Have some respect for the landowner.
:tup:
Post by: idahohuntr on September 30, 2014, 05:58:58 PM
I would say getting a yes from 1 in 25 HBWP properties is way above average :yike: And that is obviously with great effort...not the last minute guys!I think many seem to think, that that it should be as simple as pick up the phone, get permission, and go hunt. There are a number of factors that go into gaining permission to hunt.
The ones that do the research in advance, figure out who to meet, go in person, etc. are the ones granted permission to hunt. I started June 24th this year. I was finally able to get permission to hunt in mid August. Lots of phone calls, internet research, road trips, court house visits, working with the land access managers, working with DNR manager, and door knocking. It is somewhat of a puzzle to try and figure out "who to talk to".
I like it, because I am willing to do what it takes to gain permission to hunt. Most, just want to show up the day before the season and EXPECT to be given permission to hunt.
It's about effort!
When you are standing at their house in person and have them tell you that they only let Friends and Family hunt the lands you will understand. We have plenty of time and years invested in the area we hunt, and usually pull bucks every year. So we are not crying over no access, it is the unfair way the land is locked up and held only for the F & F every year. I get more pleasure now from taking nice bucks from the state lands that boarder these places. They push them to the state land and we take it from there. :tup:
I do understand and agree with you. Most those signs are a joke. I am making your point for you, by explaining that it is a "puzzle" to try and figure out "who to talk to", as those signs are generally misleading. I'm just pointing out, that "it can be done" and "how I went about doing it". I would guess I called and knocked on 20-25 different land owners doors. I was given permission by 2 of them. One I can hunt whenever I want. The other; only my youth can hunt the property after the land owners friends and family have tagged out.
The point being...
Yes those signs are generally a joke, but it can be done. And it can only be done, if the hunter does a tremendous amount of research and effort, long in advance of the season.
You talked to 20-25 landowners and only got permission to one property. That doesn't sound like the time or effort was worth it.
Wasn't our fee increases from special permits and licenses suppose to go to securing more access on private lands?
Post by: GameHunter1959 on September 30, 2014, 06:06:22 PM
Post by: Hermit on October 02, 2014, 01:18:13 PM