Post by: brianb231 on September 29, 2014, 08:17:33 AM
Getting ready to head out and help my partner (BrianMTSinc) with his White river Muzzy tag. I will be calling for him. The elk are screaming as we expect. I am curious though. We have been bowhunting the past 25 years. We have been very successful call in Pre Rut and Early stage Rutt Bulls in Sept. We got a decent 5 point earlier this year. But my question is this:
In October 4th-10th later in the Rut or what some may call during peak rut or some may think it is Second Estrus Rut how do the bulls react to the calls? Meaning is being aggressive bugling better when bulls are cowed up or is still giving that sweet estrus cow talk most effective in October? Or is it business as usual like in September with a combination of both?
Any added info to this will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks a bunch!
Brianb231
Post by: grundy53 on September 29, 2014, 08:21:13 AM
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Post by: Whitpirate on September 29, 2014, 08:22:07 AM
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Post by: X12shtr on September 29, 2014, 09:11:42 AM
Post by: TheHunt on September 29, 2014, 09:29:45 AM
Post by: RadSav on September 29, 2014, 09:41:47 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on September 29, 2014, 09:42:45 AM
Post by: brianb231 on September 29, 2014, 10:03:43 AM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 29, 2014, 10:47:28 AM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi799.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fyy275%2Fdeerhunter_98520%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2F228_zpsht4ak1mf.jpg&hash=df4421449966aa7fad18e8b2dee502914c08a136) (http://s799.photobucket.com/user/deerhunter_98520/media/Mobile%20Uploads/228_zpsht4ak1mf.jpg.html)
And this guy didn't like me bugling so close to his cows....he tore up a tree and came and bugled back at me
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi799.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fyy275%2Fdeerhunter_98520%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2F196_zpstt8ured7.jpg&hash=d8a6d32810064a3185048d263578b0afd617bbd8) (http://s799.photobucket.com/user/deerhunter_98520/media/Mobile%20Uploads/196_zpstt8ured7.jpg.html)
Post by: brianb231 on September 29, 2014, 11:01:24 AM
I dont think you will have a problem getting them to come in.....i just called like i do in archery season....Yesterday I slipped into a herd and was 80-100yds away and did some estrus whines for 5 min or so then threw out a chuckle and had this guy come running in looking for a fight....he tore up the ground 45-50yds away
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi799.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fyy275%2Fdeerhunter_98520%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2F228_zpsht4ak1mf.jpg&hash=df4421449966aa7fad18e8b2dee502914c08a136) (http://s799.photobucket.com/user/deerhunter_98520/media/Mobile%20Uploads/228_zpsht4ak1mf.jpg.html)
And this guy didn't like me bugling so close to his cows....he tore up a tree and came and bugled back at me
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi799.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fyy275%2Fdeerhunter_98520%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2F196_zpstt8ured7.jpg&hash=d8a6d32810064a3185048d263578b0afd617bbd8) (http://s799.photobucket.com/user/deerhunter_98520/media/Mobile%20Uploads/196_zpstt8ured7.jpg.html)
That's Awesome! Deerhunter! And great second photo. that is very cool!
Thanks
Post by: cjensen on September 29, 2014, 11:03:40 AM
Post by: Damnimissed on September 29, 2014, 12:58:20 PM
Every year is different but they definitely act different for me in October. In 2012 I couldn't get anything going with estrous whines or locator bugle but I literally had two bulls run in at full speed to some long drawn out lost cow sounds. Anything that might be different than the sounds they just got pounded with the archery or rifle tag guys.
Some great advice.
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 29, 2014, 01:37:16 PM
Post by: brianb231 on September 29, 2014, 05:10:23 PM
I posted a bunch more pics from the day in the photo section....a lot more close encounters :tup:
Very Nice
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 29, 2014, 05:26:04 PM
Post by: huntnnw on September 29, 2014, 10:08:30 PM
If it were me, I would spend a few nights out and about trying to locate where the bulls are. They will be very active at night and will almost always be in the same small area come morning. Head out in the dark, rip off some locator bugles and see if you can locate some bulls. If you can, be there before first light the next morning and just some lost calf and cow chirps. See if you can spark his interest to leave his cows and investigate. Also be ready for them to come in silent. Had it happen to me on more then one occasion. Crazy how a big bull can come in completely silent.
whats funny is have done this alot up here in NE WA....spent the whole archery season in the blues and the bulls there shut up at night or got very quiet...soon as there was light they would fire up again and bugle all day..odd
Post by: liljozie495 on September 30, 2014, 06:28:57 AM
Post by: coachcw on September 30, 2014, 07:44:43 AM
Post by: elkoholic1 on September 30, 2014, 07:54:08 AM
Post by: kentrek on September 30, 2014, 08:17:16 AM
most of the bigger bulls I've seen so far have taken there cows and split any time another bull gets close . i'm sure after most of the cows are breed that will change.
If they aren't comfortable where they are at they will push their cows to an area where they feel they have an advantage...if it's a big bull he will hold up eventually (maybe, it's elk hunting lol )
If it's a satellite bull he's gona run for the hills as if he just got away with robbing a bank
:tup:
Post by: longstevo on September 30, 2014, 01:36:31 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on September 30, 2014, 01:43:21 PM
Post by: Old Man Yager on September 30, 2014, 02:23:50 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on September 30, 2014, 02:51:46 PM
Not to thread jack but question for you guys that is related. I was talking to a co-worker yesterday who is a non hunter and knows nothing about it. A guy he knows invited him to go "bugle up some bulls" this weekend. They won't be hunting but just out trying to call in bulls in a unit that is open to hunting. I told him that as a hunter, we don't prefer people to educate the elk, not to mention that it COULD put them in a potentially dangerous situation if the hunters are idiots. I also said there is nothing illegal and they have every right to do it but something to think about. Thoughts?
They'll be about as popular as Ebola in Texas.
Post by: RadSav on September 30, 2014, 02:55:51 PM
Not to thread jack but question for you guys that is related. I was talking to a co-worker yesterday who is a non hunter and knows nothing about it. A guy he knows invited him to go "bugle up some bulls" this weekend. They won't be hunting but just out trying to call in bulls in a unit that is open to hunting. I told him that as a hunter, we don't prefer people to educate the elk, not to mention that it COULD put them in a potentially dangerous situation if the hunters are idiots. I also said there is nothing illegal and they have every right to do it but something to think about. Thoughts?
They'll be about as popular as Ebola in Texas.
Sounds like his friend is an anti. Out trying to upset the muzzy opener and needs a human shield ;)
Post by: vandeman17 on September 30, 2014, 02:58:54 PM
Not to thread jack but question for you guys that is related. I was talking to a co-worker yesterday who is a non hunter and knows nothing about it. A guy he knows invited him to go "bugle up some bulls" this weekend. They won't be hunting but just out trying to call in bulls in a unit that is open to hunting. I told him that as a hunter, we don't prefer people to educate the elk, not to mention that it COULD put them in a potentially dangerous situation if the hunters are idiots. I also said there is nothing illegal and they have every right to do it but something to think about. Thoughts?
They'll be about as popular as Ebola in Texas.
Sounds like his friend is an anti. Out trying to upset the muzzy opener and needs a human shield ;)
His friend actually isn't an anti, I do know that. I think he is just naive to it all
Post by: Taco280AI on September 30, 2014, 03:07:38 PM
After standing silently I heard a small twig snap behind me so I turned and looked to find a 7-point bull staring at me just 20 yards away! He came straight into that call, and very, very quietly. Wish I had a camera since he stood there for about two minutes looking at me, turning his head in different angles before walking off.
Post by: RadSav on September 30, 2014, 03:20:51 PM
His friend actually isn't an anti, I do know that. I think he is just naive to it all
Well that's good. There are a lot of areas with elk that are not open for muzzy season. Should be a good time to get something going if it's not mucking up a hunt!
I was at a pheasant release site one opening day when the anti's thought they would make a mess of things. There must have been 30 of them out there with sticks whacking the brush. It was like an English grouse hunt...freakin' awesome! One of the guys I was with approached what appeared to be the ring leader. Asked them if they could come back the following weekend! They would not shake his hand, but he was sure to tell them, "Thank you! The best opening day ever!" :chuckle:
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on September 30, 2014, 04:14:13 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on September 30, 2014, 04:49:33 PM
They were talking real aggressively this weekend when I was up bear hunting/pestering bulls with the bugle lol good luck you guys!If you were where I think you were I saw a large herd run for their lives sat morning. That must of been you :chuckle:
Post by: liljozie495 on September 30, 2014, 05:51:53 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on September 30, 2014, 08:34:55 PM
Haha..... No not where you thought I was lol, we did hear someone else later in the day sitting in there rig bugling (or so he thought) I wish you would have been decent enough to say hi :hello: hahaha :chuckle:I am pretty sure by the time I got down you were gone.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 30, 2014, 08:52:14 PM
Yeah, lots of units not open to muzzy, so might not interfere. I've gone to those during the rut for bear and avoided the muzzy gmus to not interfere. The one time I kind of forgot the rut was going on and climbed down to so reprod that had some bear sign. I guess I made too much noise and a really angry and huge bull decided he was gonna come get me. His bugle-scream was so loud as he was crashing through the trees, my first thought wasn't elk....I really thought, 'uh oh, maybe there really is a bigfoot!'His friend actually isn't an anti, I do know that. I think he is just naive to it all
Well that's good. There are a lot of areas with elk that are not open for muzzy season. Should be a good time to get something going if it's not mucking up a hunt!
I was at a pheasant release site one opening day when the anti's thought they would make a mess of things. There must have been 30 of them out there with sticks whacking the brush. It was like an English grouse hunt...freakin' awesome! One of the guys I was with approached what appeared to be the ring leader. Asked them if they could come back the following weekend! They would not shake his hand, but he was sure to tell them, "Thank you! The best opening day ever!" :chuckle:
Post by: longstevo on October 01, 2014, 02:27:01 PM
Yeah, lots of units not open to muzzy, so might not interfere. I've gone to those during the rut for bear and avoided the muzzy gmus to not interfere. The one time I kind of forgot the rut was going on and climbed down to so reprod that had some bear sign. I guess I made too much noise and a really angry and huge bull decided he was gonna come get me. His bugle-scream was so loud as he was crashing through the trees, my first thought wasn't elk....I really thought, 'uh oh, maybe there really is a bigfoot!'His friend actually isn't an anti, I do know that. I think he is just naive to it all
Well that's good. There are a lot of areas with elk that are not open for muzzy season. Should be a good time to get something going if it's not mucking up a hunt!
I was at a pheasant release site one opening day when the anti's thought they would make a mess of things. There must have been 30 of them out there with sticks whacking the brush. It was like an English grouse hunt...freakin' awesome! One of the guys I was with approached what appeared to be the ring leader. Asked them if they could come back the following weekend! They would not shake his hand, but he was sure to tell them, "Thank you! The best opening day ever!" :chuckle:
:chuckle:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 01, 2014, 03:39:47 PM
Post by: Fullabull on October 01, 2014, 03:49:22 PM
Post by: brianmtsinc on October 01, 2014, 11:00:10 PM
We have a few bulls already located. Our first target seems to have a herd of 8 to 10 cows with him already. If he doesn't move far from where he's been for the last week we should be able to easily get within 100 to 150 yards of him at first light opening morning. What would your play be ? :dunno:
Post by: huntnnw on October 01, 2014, 11:10:36 PM
Post by: brianmtsinc on October 01, 2014, 11:18:14 PM
Post by: huntnnw on October 01, 2014, 11:21:14 PM
Post by: coachcw on October 02, 2014, 06:21:17 AM
He is a herd bull. My thought is if we can locate him in the dark get within 100 yards and maybe blow a bugle at him he might think we're too close and come to fight? Either that or getting close and blowing estrus call and see if he's interested for a little love :chuckle:that's a good plan but i'd try and tickle him with a cow call before you bugle at him , recently iv'e seen more herd bulls just push there cows , I imagine estus cycle play a huge part of that .