Post by: NW-GSP on September 30, 2014, 06:34:24 PM
I have been looking at 06-07 chevy 2500.
Post by: netcoyote on September 30, 2014, 06:44:00 PM
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 30, 2014, 07:50:06 PM
Post by: Rick on September 30, 2014, 08:17:15 PM
Post by: X-Force on September 30, 2014, 08:18:43 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 30, 2014, 09:02:51 PM
If you want to tow a boat and carry a camper,I'd be looking at more than a 2500HD.
I have a 2500 with an 8.5 foot camper and a 20 foot cargo trailer with an ATV and a side x side in it and I have plenty of power to spare. I'm right around 14000 libs.
Post by: Rick on September 30, 2014, 09:10:50 PM
If you want to tow a boat and carry a camper,I'd be looking at more than a 2500HD.
I have a 2500 with an 8.5 foot camper and a 20 foot cargo trailer with an ATV and a side x side in it and I have plenty of power to spare. I'm right around 14000 libs.
I'm at about 21K combined with my '11 2500HD and fifth wheel. Its not about the power,its about how the truck handles the camper and load behind it. A lot of guys don't seem to mind,but a lot of guys don't know WTF they're doing either (not implying that you don't)
My '11 and your '13 also have 900lbs more payload capacity than the '06-'07 the OP is looking at.
Post by: Buzz2401 on October 01, 2014, 06:32:42 AM
Post by: C-Money on October 01, 2014, 06:43:58 AM
Post by: Buzz2401 on October 01, 2014, 06:45:45 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 01, 2014, 06:53:23 AM
If you want to tow a boat and carry a camper,I'd be looking at more than a 2500HD.
I have a 2500 with an 8.5 foot camper and a 20 foot cargo trailer with an ATV and a side x side in it and I have plenty of power to spare. I'm right around 14000 libs.
I'm at about 21K combined with my '11 2500HD and fifth wheel. Its not about the power,its about how the truck handles the camper and load behind it. A lot of guys don't seem to mind,but a lot of guys don't know WTF they're doing either (not implying that you don't)
My '11 and your '13 also have 900lbs more payload capacity than the '06-'07 the OP is looking at.
No offense taken. I drove and owned heavy haul trucks, 105,500 for 20 years. So, I do know what I'm doing at least.. :tup:
Post by: sirmissalot on October 01, 2014, 06:58:42 AM
Post by: baker5150 on October 01, 2014, 07:13:29 AM
I had he same decision to make at beginning of this summer and settled on a diesel. I'm glad I did. I just got back from a trip to Cody wyoming with a camo trailer behind me and it was a breeze, I'm still amazed at the power that truck has. I averaged about 12 mpg but it's a pretty heavy trailer and we were cruising at 75 most the way. I get 23 highway with nothing behind it, with a '14 bone stock cummins. I have a 9,000lb boat i tow for fishing and it handles it without a problem, my ford always struggled with it.
Really? Is that hand calculated or are you going by what the truck tells you? For a stock truck that is really good mileage.
The Dodge's are great, I own one, but the tranny is a weak link, and its a rough ride. The Chevy's are great too, good tranny, but the body has very thin sheet metal and Chevrolet is still cutting corners on their paint. Ford's are great as well, as long as you know a mechanic who owes you a ton of favors.
Either way you go, try to get one without the newer emissions, that's the kicker theses days. You will never regret buying a diesel truck over a gasser. Unless you buy a Ford
Post by: sirmissalot on October 01, 2014, 07:16:23 AM
Post by: baker5150 on October 01, 2014, 07:19:59 AM
That's just off the computer on the truck, and I'm just talking strictly highway around 65mph. I was amazed when I saw I could get that.
I would do a hand calculation. My truck says 21, and my programmer says 23, but when I hand calc it I'm only getting 17 ( Granted I have 35" tires ). This seams to be pretty common with Dodge trucks.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on October 01, 2014, 07:20:32 AM
Post by: Hawgdawg on October 01, 2014, 07:49:04 AM
Post by: DRobnsn on October 01, 2014, 07:53:00 AM
Post by: KFhunter on October 01, 2014, 10:20:45 AM
Campers are heavy and even a conservative sized camper + boat will push your GVWR over the top very quickly on a 2500.
I got a 19 foot boat and 10 foot camper, my GVWR is well exceeded then by the time my wife n kids pile all their crap in....well :peep:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 01, 2014, 07:35:42 PM
I would get a 3500
Campers are heavy and even a conservative sized camper + boat will push your GVWR over the top very quickly on a 2500.
I got a 19 foot boat and 10 foot camper, my GVWR is well exceeded then by the time my wife n kids pile all their crap in....well :peep:
Not really. My camper weighs 3500 lbs and the trailer is around 4000 lbs. Easy, smeasy towing.
Post by: KFhunter on October 01, 2014, 07:49:21 PM
I would get a 3500
Campers are heavy and even a conservative sized camper + boat will push your GVWR over the top very quickly on a 2500.
I got a 19 foot boat and 10 foot camper, my GVWR is well exceeded then by the time my wife n kids pile all their crap in....well :peep:
Not really. My camper weighs 3500 lbs and the trailer is around 4000 lbs. Easy, smeasy towing.
You truck is 6821 lbs
Camper 3500
trailer 4000
for a total of 14321.
Which is 4421 LBS over your GVWR, I suspect you're a good bit higher than that once loaded up with all your junk.
I think that's 1 ton territory. You do fine with it because you know how to drive right, most don't. Still it's hard on the lighter weight drive train, wheel bearings, springs and all that jazz. 3500 will have all those components beefed up.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 01, 2014, 08:01:25 PM
I would get a 3500
Campers are heavy and even a conservative sized camper + boat will push your GVWR over the top very quickly on a 2500.
I got a 19 foot boat and 10 foot camper, my GVWR is well exceeded then by the time my wife n kids pile all their crap in....well :peep:
Not really. My camper weighs 3500 lbs and the trailer is around 4000 lbs. Easy, smeasy towing.
You truck is 6821 lbs
Camper 3500
trailer 4000
for a total of 14321.
Which is 4421 LBS over your GVWR, I suspect you're a good bit higher than that once loaded up with all your junk.
I think that's 1 ton territory. You do fine with it because you know how to drive right, most don't. Still it's hard on the lighter weight drive train, wheel bearings, springs and all that jazz. 3500 will have all those components beefed up.
Here's a thought:
If any and all 2500 HD or similar type trucks are over weight, the coppers would be writing tickets all day and Chevy would be out of business and so would Ford, Dodge etc. I went through the stateline scales on the Idaho/Washington line last year loaded up, they weighed me and I continued on my merry way. No worries about weight with these trucks, unless you're hauling hog fuel........ :tup:
Post by: netcoyote on October 01, 2014, 08:06:48 PM
I would get a 3500
Campers are heavy and even a conservative sized camper + boat will push your GVWR over the top very quickly on a 2500.
I got a 19 foot boat and 10 foot camper, my GVWR is well exceeded then by the time my wife n kids pile all their crap in....well :peep:
Not really. My camper weighs 3500 lbs and the trailer is around 4000 lbs. Easy, smeasy towing.
You truck is 6821 lbs
Camper 3500
trailer 4000
for a total of 14321.
Which is 4421 LBS over your GVWR, I suspect you're a good bit higher than that once loaded up with all your junk.
I think that's 1 ton territory. You do fine with it because you know how to drive right, most don't. Still it's hard on the lighter weight drive train, wheel bearings, springs and all that jazz. 3500 will have all those components beefed up.
Not to mention the addition of the trailer tongue weight to the cargo capacity. Even at a conservative 10% of trailer weight, that's another 400 lb on top of the 3500 lb. that's going to be on top of the springs, bearings, axles and tires. I don't care how careful a driver you are, that's some serious overloading (for a 2500).
Post by: NW-GSP on October 01, 2014, 08:06:59 PM
what would you consider high mileage for a diesel?, saw a 06 chevy 2500 with 150,000 miles going for $25,000
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 01, 2014, 08:17:51 PM
Campmeat I was drooling over your truck when I saw it.
what would you consider high mileage for a diesel?, saw a 06 chevy 2500 with 150,000 miles going for $25,000
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From what I understand, 50,000 on a Duramax is just getting broken in. Personally, if you're going to spend money on a used diesel, get a Carfax and a spend the money to have a DIESEL mechanic look it over and run tests on it and dicker on a extended warranty.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 01, 2014, 08:23:01 PM
I would get a 3500
Campers are heavy and even a conservative sized camper + boat will push your GVWR over the top very quickly on a 2500.
I got a 19 foot boat and 10 foot camper, my GVWR is well exceeded then by the time my wife n kids pile all their crap in....well :peep:
Not really. My camper weighs 3500 lbs and the trailer is around 4000 lbs. Easy, smeasy towing.
You truck is 6821 lbs
Camper 3500
trailer 4000
for a total of 14321.
Which is 4421 LBS over your GVWR, I suspect you're a good bit higher than that once loaded up with all your junk.
I think that's 1 ton territory. You do fine with it because you know how to drive right, most don't. Still it's hard on the lighter weight drive train, wheel bearings, springs and all that jazz. 3500 will have all those components beefed up.
Not to mention the addition of the trailer tongue weight to the cargo capacity. Even at a conservative 10% of trailer weight, that's another 400 lb on top of the 3500 lb. that's going to be on top of the springs, bearings, axles and tires. I don't care how careful a driver you are, that's some serious overloading (for a 2500).
I drove heavy haul trucks, including dump trucks at 105,500 lbs for 20 years, if that tells you anything. You guys are trying to read too much into this. IF these trucks weren't made to haul/tow/carry that weight, the mfgrs would be out of business. You see these commercials where the Dodge is towing a 30,000 lbs capacity, or whatever huge load that is.........
Post by: netcoyote on October 01, 2014, 08:48:01 PM
I would get a 3500
Campers are heavy and even a conservative sized camper + boat will push your GVWR over the top very quickly on a 2500.
I got a 19 foot boat and 10 foot camper, my GVWR is well exceeded then by the time my wife n kids pile all their crap in....well :peep:
Not really. My camper weighs 3500 lbs and the trailer is around 4000 lbs. Easy, smeasy towing.
You truck is 6821 lbs
Camper 3500
trailer 4000
for a total of 14321.
Which is 4421 LBS over your GVWR, I suspect you're a good bit higher than that once loaded up with all your junk.
I think that's 1 ton territory. You do fine with it because you know how to drive right, most don't. Still it's hard on the lighter weight drive train, wheel bearings, springs and all that jazz. 3500 will have all those components beefed up.
Not to mention the addition of the trailer tongue weight to the cargo capacity. Even at a conservative 10% of trailer weight, that's another 400 lb on top of the 3500 lb. that's going to be on top of the springs, bearings, axles and tires. I don't care how careful a driver you are, that's some serious overloading (for a 2500).
I drove heavy haul trucks, including dump trucks at 105,500 lbs for 20 years, if that tells you anything. You guys are trying to read too much into this. IF these trucks weren't made to haul/tow/carry that weight, the mfgrs would be out of business. You see these commercials where the Dodge is towing a 30,000 lbs capacity, or whatever huge load that is.........
If you are referring to this Dodge, you just made my point. Sure it will tow 30,000 lbs, because it was engineered to tow that much. You're talking about a 3500 dually 4x2 with a 6.7 Cummins. That's not the same as your 2500. Completely different vehicle. They engineer different configurations because everyone has different towing needs. It's always a compromise between cost, capacity, safety and performance. Why would they bother marketing a 1500, a 2500 and a 3500 if you could haul the same load on either?
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 01, 2014, 08:56:25 PM
I would get a 3500
Campers are heavy and even a conservative sized camper + boat will push your GVWR over the top very quickly on a 2500.
I got a 19 foot boat and 10 foot camper, my GVWR is well exceeded then by the time my wife n kids pile all their crap in....well :peep:
Not really. My camper weighs 3500 lbs and the trailer is around 4000 lbs. Easy, smeasy towing.
You truck is 6821 lbs
Camper 3500
trailer 4000
for a total of 14321.
Which is 4421 LBS over your GVWR, I suspect you're a good bit higher than that once loaded up with all your junk.
I think that's 1 ton territory. You do fine with it because you know how to drive right, most don't. Still it's hard on the lighter weight drive train, wheel bearings, springs and all that jazz. 3500 will have all those components beefed up.
Not to mention the addition of the trailer tongue weight to the cargo capacity. Even at a conservative 10% of trailer weight, that's another 400 lb on top of the 3500 lb. that's going to be on top of the springs, bearings, axles and tires. I don't care how careful a driver you are, that's some serious overloading (for a 2500).
I drove heavy haul trucks, including dump trucks at 105,500 lbs for 20 years, if that tells you anything. You guys are trying to read too much into this. IF these trucks weren't made to haul/tow/carry that weight, the mfgrs would be out of business. You see these commercials where the Dodge is towing a 30,000 lbs capacity, or whatever huge load that is.........
If you are referring to this Dodge, you just made my point. Sure it will tow 30,000 lbs, because it was engineered to tow that much. You're talking about a 3500 dually 4x2 with a 6.7 Cummins. That's not the same as your 2500. Completely different vehicle. They engineer different configurations because everyone has different towing needs. It's always a compromise between cost, capacity, safety and performance. Why would they bother marketing a 1500, a 2500 and a 3500 if you could haul the same load on either?
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I really don't know what you're trying to prove. What do you do for a living, not drive trucks I bet. My truck will tow/haul exactly what was asked without any issues whatsoever, period. If you want to buy a bigger truck, knock yourself out, you don't need it.
Post by: netcoyote on October 01, 2014, 09:17:12 PM
I really don't know what you're trying to prove. What do you do for a living, not drive trucks I bet. My truck will tow/haul exactly what was asked without any issues whatsoever, period. If you want to buy a bigger truck, knock yourself out, you don't need it.
I'm a retired engineer. I don't see what driving trucks has to do with the discussion. We're talking about engineered design loads. Anybody can drive an overweight vehicle. That doesn't make it safe or reliable.
I'm done, I can't add anything that hasn't already been said.
Drive safely.
Post by: 6x6in6 on October 01, 2014, 10:04:33 PM
GVWR is truck and it's payload.I would get a 3500
Campers are heavy and even a conservative sized camper + boat will push your GVWR over the top very quickly on a 2500.
I got a 19 foot boat and 10 foot camper, my GVWR is well exceeded then by the time my wife n kids pile all their crap in....well :peep:
Not really. My camper weighs 3500 lbs and the trailer is around 4000 lbs. Easy, smeasy towing.
You truck is 6821 lbs
Camper 3500
trailer 4000
for a total of 14321.
Which is 4421 LBS over your GVWR, I suspect you're a good bit higher than that once loaded up with all your junk.
I think that's 1 ton territory. You do fine with it because you know how to drive right, most don't. Still it's hard on the lighter weight drive train, wheel bearings, springs and all that jazz. 3500 will have all those components beefed up.
GCWR is truck, payload and a trailer.
Campmeat's GCWR rating should be around 17k and his GVWR rating is probably somewhere near what his camper weighs.
So, from a combined standpoint he's in the clear. From a payload, not so much when the wife packs up all his beer for the weekend. :chuckle:
Light duty trucks and their loads are way under enforced by LE.
Don't expect your insurance company to belly up to the bar when you exceed either of the weight ratios.
With my dually and fully loaded camper (4600#'s +-) that puts me around 750#'s under my GVWR. Toss the loaded horse trailer behind that and I'm just shy of 23,000#'s and 2,500#'s +- under my GCWR. Hauling it is never an issue. Stopping it is potentially more the issue. Slotted/dimpled brake rotors, EBC brake pads, good trailer brake controller, exhaust brake and a manual trans has saved my butt from piling up more than one idiot in a Prius.
Post by: Hawgdawg on October 01, 2014, 10:24:24 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on October 01, 2014, 10:26:39 PM
Post by: Buzz2401 on October 02, 2014, 06:45:25 AM
I would get a 3500
Campers are heavy and even a conservative sized camper + boat will push your GVWR over the top very quickly on a 2500.
I got a 19 foot boat and 10 foot camper, my GVWR is well exceeded then by the time my wife n kids pile all their crap in....well :peep:
Not really. My camper weighs 3500 lbs and the trailer is around 4000 lbs. Easy, smeasy towing.
You truck is 6821 lbs
Camper 3500
trailer 4000
for a total of 14321.
Which is 4421 LBS over your GVWR, I suspect you're a good bit higher than that once loaded up with all your junk.
I think that's 1 ton territory. You do fine with it because you know how to drive right, most don't. Still it's hard on the lighter weight drive train, wheel bearings, springs and all that jazz. 3500 will have all those components beefed up.
Unless they have started doing things differently recently the only difference between a 2500 and a 3500 is spring capacity there is no diference with anything else. Brakes, drivetrain, wheel bearings are all the same.
Post by: baker5150 on October 02, 2014, 07:28:20 AM
I would get a 3500
Campers are heavy and even a conservative sized camper + boat will push your GVWR over the top very quickly on a 2500.
I got a 19 foot boat and 10 foot camper, my GVWR is well exceeded then by the time my wife n kids pile all their crap in....well :peep:
Not really. My camper weighs 3500 lbs and the trailer is around 4000 lbs. Easy, smeasy towing.
You truck is 6821 lbs
Camper 3500
trailer 4000
for a total of 14321.
Which is 4421 LBS over your GVWR, I suspect you're a good bit higher than that once loaded up with all your junk.
I think that's 1 ton territory. You do fine with it because you know how to drive right, most don't. Still it's hard on the lighter weight drive train, wheel bearings, springs and all that jazz. 3500 will have all those components beefed up.
Unless they have started doing things differently recently the only difference between a 2500 and a 3500 is spring capacity there is no diference with anything else. Brakes, drivetrain, wheel bearings are all the same.
:yeah: and usually gear ratio in the diff and sometimes the tranny
Post by: DRobnsn on October 02, 2014, 07:30:07 AM
Campmeat I was drooling over your truck when I saw it.
what would you consider high mileage for a diesel?, saw a 06 chevy 2500 with 150,000 miles going for $25,000
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150k isn't exactly high mileage for a diesel of any brand, having said that I would personally try to find something in that year range with less than 75k on it. :twocents: They are around but hard to find and expensive. Pre 07 trucks are highly sought after for not having emissions issues and attain higher MPG's then trucks with DPF emissions systems.
As far as finding a mechanic to look at it, here is my take on that. Bring it to a Dmax performance oriented shop they will have a better idea what to look for with problems, upgrades and if previous owners have modified the truck in such a manner that will cost you lots of money down the road. For instance if someone tossed a high hp tune on it towed heavy and slipped the trans so they traded it in.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 02, 2014, 03:02:26 PM
GVWR is truck and it's payload.I would get a 3500
Campers are heavy and even a conservative sized camper + boat will push your GVWR over the top very quickly on a 2500.
I got a 19 foot boat and 10 foot camper, my GVWR is well exceeded then by the time my wife n kids pile all their crap in....well :peep:
Not really. My camper weighs 3500 lbs and the trailer is around 4000 lbs. Easy, smeasy towing.
You truck is 6821 lbs
Camper 3500
trailer 4000
for a total of 14321.
Which is 4421 LBS over your GVWR, I suspect you're a good bit higher than that once loaded up with all your junk.
I think that's 1 ton territory. You do fine with it because you know how to drive right, most don't. Still it's hard on the lighter weight drive train, wheel bearings, springs and all that jazz. 3500 will have all those components beefed up.
GCWR is truck, payload and a trailer.
Campmeat's GCWR rating should be around 17k and his GVWR rating is probably somewhere near what his camper weighs.
So, from a combined standpoint he's in the clear. From a payload, not so much when the wife packs up all his beer for the weekend. :chuckle:
Light duty trucks and their loads are way under enforced by LE.
Don't expect your insurance company to belly up to the bar when you exceed either of the weight ratios.
With my dually and fully loaded camper (4600#'s +-) that puts me around 750#'s under my GVWR. Toss the loaded horse trailer behind that and I'm just shy of 23,000#'s and 2,500#'s +- under my GCWR. Hauling it is never an issue. Stopping it is potentially more the issue. Slotted/dimpled brake rotors, EBC brake pads, good trailer brake controller, exhaust brake and a manual trans has saved my butt from piling up more than one idiot in a Prius.
I knew I could find someone who understands............thanks :tup:
Post by: longstevo on October 02, 2014, 03:23:43 PM