Post by: Gamehunter034 on October 06, 2014, 08:45:19 PM
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Post by: jrebel on October 06, 2014, 08:55:57 PM
Good Luck...Oh, and don't buy the 6 liter. :twocents:
Post by: Gamehunter034 on October 06, 2014, 08:59:55 PM
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Post by: fish vacuum on October 06, 2014, 09:26:37 PM
I know they primarily had head stud and gasket issues along with egr issues and some with electrical issues.
That should be enough for you to avoid them. I'd never buy a rig knowing they were prone to so many failures.
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Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on October 07, 2014, 09:38:42 AM
Of course everyone is asking the moon for diesels these days, so expect to pay top dollar for well cared for truck. Personally, just buy a 2500 gasser and save the extra 10 grand for a new toy.
Post by: WARHORSE on October 07, 2014, 09:44:25 AM
Our ambulance fleet runs 6 liters and I would not buy one to save my life. We have had nothing but problems. I know there are a few good ones out there, but I have yet to see one. Now the new engine ford has out appears to be a power house.
Good Luck...Oh, and don't buy the 6 liter. :twocents:
I worked for the same ambulance company. When. And I do mean when they ran they ran good. But they were always in the shop! Stay away from the 6 liter!
Post by: Slimdog350 on October 07, 2014, 09:55:18 AM
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Post by: Stalker on October 07, 2014, 11:00:41 AM
If at some point I do have a catastrophic failure down the road I think I will keep the truck but swap the motor for a 2002ish Cummings which should make it a bulletproof rig. Hope above helps and good luck.
Post by: b23 on October 07, 2014, 02:48:51 PM
I own a 6.0 liter and love it. A lot of people don't realize that a diesel needs more maintenance than a gasser. Ford did have a lot of issues with that engine but there is so much material online to browse thru if you have any issues. If you know what to look for you can bite some of the issues in the butt. Keep your oil changed at 5k, change your fuel filters at 10k and coolant at 50k. I just did an oil cooler and egr in my truck. I put about $1,000 in parts into it and did my own install( I'm a diesel mechanic). Some people drive their diesels like they do a gasser. Drive it and forget it. Look up bulletproof diesel like bugle buster suggested. Talk to one of their techs. He will tell you all sorts of things about what's good and what's not. Read about everything. They also make a ton of parts for these engines. I'm happy with mine! Any questions pm me.
I had a 2004 6.0 that has only been in the shop 3 times since it was new. First time was the TSB about the wiring chaffing issue. No Charge. Had the EGR cooler replaced under warranty. Then a couple years ago I put the Bulletproof EGR cooler in it. I've had a Edge controller on it since it was nearly brand new. My father now has it to pull his boat around and it has been flawless.
The motor is actually a pretty high tech design but unfortunately they didn't complete the package with some of the components they bolted on it.
ARP Head studs, bulletproof EGR cooler, Bulletproof external oil cooler are probably the 3 best things you can do to these 6.0L diesels.
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Post by: jackelope on October 07, 2014, 03:06:21 PM
I own a 6.0 liter and love it. A lot of people don't realize that a diesel needs more maintenance than a gasser. Ford did have a lot of issues with that engine but there is so much material online to browse thru if you have any issues. If you know what to look for you can bite some of the issues in the butt. Keep your oil changed at 5k, change your fuel filters at 10k and coolant at 50k. I just did an oil cooler and egr in my truck. I put about $1,000 in parts into it and did my own install( I'm a diesel mechanic). Some people drive their diesels like they do a gasser. Drive it and forget it. Look up bulletproof diesel like bugle buster suggested. Talk to one of their techs. He will tell you all sorts of things about what's good and what's not. Read about everything. They also make a ton of parts for these engines. I'm happy with mine! Any questions pm me.
I had a 2004 6.0 that has only been in the shop 3 times since it was new. First time was the TSB about the wiring chaffing issue. No Charge. Had the EGR cooler replaced under warranty. Then a couple years ago I put the Bulletproof EGR cooler in it. I've had a Edge controller on it since it was nearly brand new. My father now has it to pull his boat around and it has been flawless.
The motor is actually a pretty high tech design but unfortunately they didn't complete the package with some of the components they bolted on it.
ARP Head studs, bulletproof EGR cooler, Bulletproof external oil cooler are probably the 3 best things you can do to these 6.0L diesels.
This.
If you've got about $6k to burn and are not a diesel technician, go for it. Once you drop the 6 G's on it, it'll be bombproof though.
Post by: Gamehunter034 on October 07, 2014, 08:39:42 PM
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Post by: Skillet on October 07, 2014, 09:54:37 PM
That said, I would NEVER buy a used 6.0 that had a lift and bigger tires, had ever had an aftermarket tune on it, or without having all maintenance records available for review (including OASIS report) and having a ScanGuage hooked up to it during a test drive that allows for an accurate assessment of what you're looking at. Even then, as others have said, it would be wise to be proactive in addressing some of the known issues. Ford makes a beast of a truck and I happen to think these years are some of the best looking trucks ever made, but this excellent International engine suffers from some hokey engineering of the bolt-on stuff. All upgradeable if it hasn't gone past the tipping point (which is a failed EGR cooler, allowing coolant into the intake, which will stretch the stock head bolts, blowing your head gaskets).
In short, educate yourself and proceed with caution. You could do worse, like the 6.4 Powerstroke...
Post by: GameHunter1959 on October 07, 2014, 10:19:19 PM
My only negative about it. It Boggs down in the lower gears until you get the RPMs up. The electronic tranny takes a minute to shift up to the next gear. Other than that; no complaints. Go to Dave Smith and finance a new truck!
Post by: Gamehunter034 on October 08, 2014, 07:10:04 AM
I was looking for a descent low mileage 7.3 liter. I could not find anything fair priced with low mileage. I gave up. Just bought the new 2014 6.4 liter RAM 3500 gas model. I get 15.3 miles to the gallon. Love it!
My only negative about it. It Boggs down in the lower gears until you get the RPMs up. The electronic tranny takes a minute to shift up to the next gear. Other than that; no complaints. Go to Dave Smith and finance a new truck!
I have been curious about this new motor. My brother and law works for a body shop and had to fix one and said it seemed to run well and the guy said he was getting 16ish mpg. I may wait till the beginning of the yr or spring to make a decision, I have a new baby due anytime now and trying to get my hunt in as well.
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Post by: Rick on October 08, 2014, 07:12:44 AM
Its a 5.3 which seems to be pretty bullet proof its self I'm more concerned about tranny issues later on. But thats the nature of towing. I am considering a intake and after market exhaust to get a little better flow not sure about a programmer I don't know how much they really help, any ideas? Thanks guys
The factory intake and exhaust flow more air than the 5.3 can use. Save the money for gas and beer.
If your truck is "sketchy" towing a 23' trailer,its not set up to tow correctly. Get a quality weight distribution hitch and sway control. Keep the tires inflated correctly.
Don't be afraid to run it at 4K+ rpm if necessary. That's where small blocks make power. If GM thought it wasn't good for the engine,they wouldn't have designed it to turn those rpm.
Post by: Rick on October 08, 2014, 07:16:47 AM
Just bought the new 2014 6.4
My only negative about it. It Boggs down in the lower gears until you get the RPMs up. The electronic tranny takes a minute to shift up to the next gear. Other than that; no complaints. Go to Dave Smith and finance a new truck!
There are quite a few guys on RV.net with the new 6.4
The gear spacing from 1st to 2nd is a common complaint.
Post by: gr8whthunter on October 08, 2014, 07:22:54 AM
my take on it is steer far, far, FAR from a 6.0 powerstroke, i did love the truck but i hated the hell out of it and its not worth the money or trouble
Post by: Gamehunter034 on October 08, 2014, 07:24:56 AM
Its a 5.3 which seems to be pretty bullet proof its self I'm more concerned about tranny issues later on. But thats the nature of towing. I am considering a intake and after market exhaust to get a little better flow not sure about a programmer I don't know how much they really help, any ideas? Thanks guys
The factory intake and exhaust flow more air than the 5.3 can use. Save the money for gas and beer.
If your truck is "sketchy" towing a 23' trailer,its not set up to tow correctly. Get a quality weight distribution hitch and sway control. Keep the tires inflated correctly.
Don't be afraid to run it at 4K+ rpm if necessary. That's where small blocks make power. If GM thought it wasn't good for the engine,they wouldn't have designed it to turn those rpm.
I have proper distribution and sway control, and ensure I don't have all the tongue weight sitting on the rear making it sag. I more so mean the motor tranny combo. I come from running diesels while towing so pulling with a gasser is what is sketchy to me with the rpms being so high. That doesn't seem normal to me but everyone says it is.
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Post by: GameHunter1959 on October 08, 2014, 07:25:54 AM
Regardless; I really like my truck. Saved about $8500 buying from Dave Smith. Worth the drive over there.
Post by: DRobnsn on October 08, 2014, 07:47:13 AM
DO NOT GET A 6.0!!! i know some times you may be lucky and get an ok one, but its not a if it goes out scenero with those trucks its just a matter of when. i bought mine with 98k on it for $22k and sold it at 106k for $13k after i had to put $12k into it just to get out from under it and get rid of the damn thing and i talked to the guy that bought it 2 days ago and its back in the shop with the engine torn apart again, i had to replace headstuds, gaskets, egr delete, ficm, turbo 2x, HPOP (high pressure oil pump), oil cooler, radiator, degas bottle, and injectors and the injectors went out again currently why its in the shop now. i used quality parts from sinister performance and ARP. i never hot rodded the truck or got on it, never towed heavy weight. come to think of it I only towed a car trailor once with a samurai on it about 10 mi.
my take on it is steer far, far, FAR from a 6.0 powerstroke, i did love the truck but i hated the hell out of it and its not worth the money or trouble
Did you flush the heck out of the coolant system before putting in the new oil cooler. Then install a coolant filtration system after?
Post by: C-Money on October 08, 2014, 07:49:06 AM
Post by: gr8whthunter on October 08, 2014, 08:16:27 AM
DO NOT GET A 6.0!!! i know some times you may be lucky and get an ok one, but its not a if it goes out scenero with those trucks its just a matter of when. i bought mine with 98k on it for $22k and sold it at 106k for $13k after i had to put $12k into it just to get out from under it and get rid of the damn thing and i talked to the guy that bought it 2 days ago and its back in the shop with the engine torn apart again, i had to replace headstuds, gaskets, egr delete, ficm, turbo 2x, HPOP (high pressure oil pump), oil cooler, radiator, degas bottle, and injectors and the injectors went out again currently why its in the shop now. i used quality parts from sinister performance and ARP. i never hot rodded the truck or got on it, never towed heavy weight. come to think of it I only towed a car trailor once with a samurai on it about 10 mi.
my take on it is steer far, far, FAR from a 6.0 powerstroke, i did love the truck but i hated the hell out of it and its not worth the money or trouble
Did you flush the heck out of the coolant system before putting in the new oil cooler. Then install a coolant filtration system after?
yea flushed the system 2x until gin clear water was coming out and installed the filtration system from sinister at the time of install
Post by: b23 on October 08, 2014, 09:00:30 AM
DO NOT GET A 6.0!!! i know some times you may be lucky and get an ok one, but its not a if it goes out scenero with those trucks its just a matter of when. i bought mine with 98k on it for $22k and sold it at 106k for $13k after i had to put $12k into it just to get out from under it and get rid of the damn thing and i talked to the guy that bought it 2 days ago and its back in the shop with the engine torn apart again, i had to replace headstuds, gaskets, egr delete, ficm, turbo 2x, HPOP (high pressure oil pump), oil cooler, radiator, degas bottle, and injectors and the injectors went out again currently why its in the shop now. i used quality parts from sinister performance and ARP. i never hot rodded the truck or got on it, never towed heavy weight. come to think of it I only towed a car trailor once with a samurai on it about 10 mi.
my take on it is steer far, far, FAR from a 6.0 powerstroke, i did love the truck but i hated the hell out of it and its not worth the money or trouble
You replaced head bolts with ARP head studs or you had to replace the head studs, again, also?
Post by: gr8whthunter on October 08, 2014, 09:09:56 AM
DO NOT GET A 6.0!!! i know some times you may be lucky and get an ok one, but its not a if it goes out scenero with those trucks its just a matter of when. i bought mine with 98k on it for $22k and sold it at 106k for $13k after i had to put $12k into it just to get out from under it and get rid of the damn thing and i talked to the guy that bought it 2 days ago and its back in the shop with the engine torn apart again, i had to replace headstuds, gaskets, egr delete, ficm, turbo 2x, HPOP (high pressure oil pump), oil cooler, radiator, degas bottle, and injectors and the injectors went out again currently why its in the shop now. i used quality parts from sinister performance and ARP. i never hot rodded the truck or got on it, never towed heavy weight. come to think of it I only towed a car trailor once with a samurai on it about 10 mi.
my take on it is steer far, far, FAR from a 6.0 powerstroke, i did love the truck but i hated the hell out of it and its not worth the money or trouble
You replaced head bolts with ARP head studs or you had to replace the head studs, again, also?
replaced head bolts with ARP studs
Post by: Slimdog350 on October 08, 2014, 09:56:25 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on October 08, 2014, 10:04:40 AM
Why not just buy a dodge if you're going to spend thousands putting a cummins engine into a ford truck?
That's a good question? There are a quite a few Ford trucks out there that are converted. Maybe people really like Ford Truck and not the motors? :dunno: Maybe they like the tight turning radius of a Ford Truck? :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: Derailed on October 08, 2014, 10:21:09 AM
:dunno: This may help? :dunno:
Post by: DRobnsn on October 08, 2014, 12:58:44 PM
Why not just buy a dodge if you're going to spend thousands putting a cummins engine into a ford truck?
That's a good question? There are a quite a few Ford trucks out there that are converted. Maybe people really like Ford Truck and not the motors? :dunno: Maybe they like the tight turning radius of a Ford Truck? :dunno: :chuckle:
The turning radius sucks on the leaf sprung Fords but the 05 and up coil suspended trucks turn much better. One more selling point on the Ford, A REAL BACKSEAT. 3rd gen dodge crew cabs have no room in the back comparatively speaking. I know 2010 Cummins and up have ample room as well as 3rd gen Mega's but they can cost almost twice what a well equipped 6.0 does.
Post by: Skillet on October 08, 2014, 01:24:28 PM
Now that I think about it more if you don't have any diesel experience I would steer clear.
I agree with slimdog. These trucks are really great trucks, but you cannot afford to be an ignorant or passive owner with the 6.0 diesel. You have to constantly be on the lookout for signs of the known issues cropping up. Any one of the symptoms by itself is not a really big deal - mostly just a day's worth of work and a couple hundred in parts to fix - but allow it to progress into the cascade of failures that are often described by disgruntled 6.0 owners and you will quickly find yourself in the "cab off" club.
$$$$$$ (You do NOT want to join that club) $$$$$$$
Post by: gr8whthunter on October 08, 2014, 01:32:55 PM
Post by: Skillet on October 08, 2014, 01:36:13 PM
im in the cab off club :tup: not that awesome
lol, I feel for you man. You sound like you know what you're talking about and still had major issues. I may end up there yet, but my truck's been really good to me so far.
Post by: gr8whthunter on October 08, 2014, 01:47:32 PM
im in the cab off club :tup: not that awesome
lol, I feel for you man. You sound like you know what you're talking about and still had major issues. I may end up there yet, but my truck's been really good to me so far.
well best of luck to you, it may turn out well for you just keep up on regular maint. as for me im going back to the only truck brand that hasnt failed me. Toyota :tup:
Post by: DRobnsn on October 08, 2014, 05:50:25 PM
Now that I think about it more if you don't have any diesel experience I would steer clear. Just the simple fact that labor costs will kill you. I can do the work myself at a fraction of the cost because of my experience. Don't put a programmer on it. The head bolts are torque to yield and will stretch with too much cylinder pressure causing a blown head gasket. The early egr would fail and flash boil the coolant causing all sorts of issues. The oil coolers would plug because of contamination in the system and the kind of coolant that ford was running. There were also injector issues. If the oil wasn't changed at proper intervals the Heui system( hydraulically activated electronically controlled) would shear the oil. This would cause "stiction" inside the injector. Do not do an egr delete. For one they are not legal and two on a 6.0 liter the egr valve is used as a wastegate for the turbo. All a wastegates job is to dump excess boost into the exhaust. No wastegate = excessive cylinder pressure. I've updated my truck with bulletproof items and such and I love it. But I also can do all the work. I've had extensive experience on diesels ranging from the 6.0 all the way up to the cat c15 and isx cummins. No engine is perfect. When egr systems came out it was a nightmare. Cummins engines have injector issues, lift pump issues, throttle position sensor issues and on and on. I'm more than happy to answer any questions.
I'm inclined to disagree with the egr valve being the wastegate. That's part of the vgt's job.
Post by: coachcw on October 08, 2014, 05:56:22 PM
Post by: Slimdog350 on October 08, 2014, 07:42:32 PM
egr isn't a waste gate it is designed to cool combustion temps by diluting the fuel mixture with spent exhaust gas. gets rid of NOX and decreases detonation. although on a diesel if the egr was stuck open it would lower boost because of exhaust gas by pass.You're right coach. I guess technically it's the Vgt sole kids job. I was thinking wastegate on the egr valve because I've had them stick and had low power/low boost. Thanks for the correction! :tup:
Post by: Mossy on October 08, 2014, 11:20:29 PM
Edit** My buddy talked me out of my 150 and I'll be picking up an 04 6.0 in a few days. Getting it at a pretty good price and it's already been bullet proofed so I guess time will tell.