Post by: woodswalker on October 12, 2014, 01:32:31 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on October 12, 2014, 01:38:23 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on October 12, 2014, 01:38:39 PM
Post by: BoomWhop on October 12, 2014, 01:41:46 PM
Post by: jrebel on October 12, 2014, 01:53:21 PM
Only reason I would consider a slob hunter is if the carcass was left in the middle of the road or campsite.
Definitely would not have called the warden with the information given. :twocents:
Post by: washelkhunter on October 12, 2014, 02:12:40 PM
Looks like somebody killed a buck and took what they felt like taking. Not the best practice at all, but at least I give them credit for taking the time to gut it and take the loins. I'm sure more could have Ben salvaged off the hit shoulders and neck, but nothing to complain to wdfw about. :twocents::yeah: If the shoulders are bloodshot and trashed theyre not worth your time. Theyre hardly worth the time when theyre not.
Post by: buckfvr on October 12, 2014, 02:26:30 PM
Looks like somebody killed a buck and took what they felt like taking. Not the best practice at all, but at least I give them credit for taking the time to gut it and take the loins. I'm sure more could have Ben salvaged off the hit shoulders and neck, but nothing to complain to wdfw about. :twocents::yeah: If the shoulders are bloodshot and trashed theyre not worth your time. Theyre hardly worth the time when theyre not.
X2...........wont get any points off that one.
Post by: sirmissalot on October 12, 2014, 02:37:54 PM
Post by: westsidehntr on October 12, 2014, 02:41:02 PM
I must be a slob hunter too. I see nothing wrong here.
:yeah:
Post by: Toptwo on October 12, 2014, 02:54:58 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 12, 2014, 02:57:26 PM
Post by: skills on October 12, 2014, 02:58:38 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on October 12, 2014, 03:38:05 PM
Post by: actionshooter on October 12, 2014, 04:30:40 PM
Maybe the guy was coming back?
Post by: longstevo on October 12, 2014, 04:33:30 PM
Post by: woodswalker on October 12, 2014, 06:18:08 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on October 12, 2014, 06:29:32 PM
Isn't it in the regulations that the WDFW requires only 35 pounds of meat to be taken of a deer? :dunno:
No such thing.
Also wondering why this was posted in the Memorials section???
Post by: longstevo on October 13, 2014, 04:47:46 PM
:chuckle:
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 14, 2014, 08:57:27 AM
Post by: h20hunter on October 14, 2014, 09:19:05 AM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 14, 2014, 09:22:16 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 14, 2014, 09:26:31 AM
Post by: rtspring on October 14, 2014, 09:38:37 AM
You DO GOODERS are nothing but tattle tales that need to grow up!!!
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 14, 2014, 09:41:36 AM
Lets all call the DFW for nothing!! I see little waste! Who are we to judge, we have no idea what went on? Heck maybe he got a emergency call and had to go!!
You DO GOODERS are nothing but tattle tales that need to grow up!!!
Jesus RT, You must live with constant high blood pressure! I think the OP called WDFW because he suspected poaching. I don't think anyone else is calling them. It's a discussion about different ideas regarding waste at this point. If you don't think it's waste, say so and go meditate.
Post by: TeacherMan on October 14, 2014, 09:43:12 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on October 14, 2014, 09:45:11 AM
Post by: RB on October 14, 2014, 09:47:11 AM
That would be a hell of a ticket in AK!:yeah:
Heard they have charts and if it does not match the "estimated" weight or quantity a guy ends up in a heap of trouble!
Post by: Stein on October 14, 2014, 09:49:06 AM
Front quarters are very tasty meat and many pounds for stew meat, roasts and burger. For me, it is like taking a pound of hamburger out of the freezer and throwing it in the garbage.
Post by: 7mmfan on October 14, 2014, 10:07:33 AM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on October 14, 2014, 10:39:56 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 14, 2014, 10:49:20 AM
I can tell you that the carcass left from my deer wouldn't feed a raven. I trim the rib meat out, take the flank, everything. It all makes burger and sausage so why not take it? The front shoulders are the easiest meat to get off the body and off the bone anyway, so why leave them? Just wasteful...
What do you use the rib meat for?
I feed it to my dogs because I can't find a palatable option for it.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 14, 2014, 10:52:04 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 14, 2014, 10:56:30 AM
Grind it up with the other scraps used for burger and pepperoni.
Tried it, not crazy about the texture added from all that tallowy fat.
Guess I am a wimp
Post by: lewy on October 14, 2014, 11:34:07 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on October 14, 2014, 12:52:45 PM
I can tell you that the carcass left from my deer wouldn't feed a raven. I trim the rib meat out, take the flank, everything. It all makes burger and sausage so why not take it? The front shoulders are the easiest meat to get off the body and off the bone anyway, so why leave them? Just wasteful...
What do you use the rib meat for?
I feed it to my dogs because I can't find a palatable option for it.
I would have to agree the rib meat on a deer is a joke. I take it because it's required. I'm very picky on what I grind for burger and sausage and the time it takes to trim the rib meat the way I want it to grind is basically ridiculous. By the time I spend a half hour trimming it, I usually end up with less than a pound of meat. Hardly worth it even though I try not to ever waste anything. I'm happier saving the hearts and gizzards out of grouse. :twocents:
Post by: Duckslayer89 on October 14, 2014, 12:59:56 PM
Lets all call the DFW for nothing!! I see little waste! Who are we to judge, we have no idea what went on? Heck maybe he got a emergency call and had to go!!:yeah:
You DO GOODERS are nothing but tattle tales that need to grow up!!!
These do gooders really get to me, hiding behind screen names on the Internet pointing fingers and judging with their noses in the air. Get a life. Gamehunter1959....
Post by: h20hunter on October 14, 2014, 01:09:12 PM
Perfect example of a thread spiraling downhill in a hurry.
Carry on.
Post by: sirmissalot on October 14, 2014, 01:12:40 PM
I can tell you that the carcass left from my deer wouldn't feed a raven. I trim the rib meat out, take the flank, everything. It all makes burger and sausage so why not take it? The front shoulders are the easiest meat to get off the body and off the bone anyway, so why leave them? Just wasteful...
What do you use the rib meat for?
I feed it to my dogs because I can't find a palatable option for it.
I would have to agree the rib meat on a deer is a joke. I take it because it's required. I'm very picky on what I grind for burger and sausage and the time it takes to trim the rib meat the way I want it to grind is basically ridiculous. By the time I spend a half hour trimming it, I usually end up with less than a pound of meat. Hardly worth it even though I try not to ever waste anything. I'm happier saving the hearts and gizzards out of grouse. :twocents:
Required? I never take the rib meat on deer, its not worth the time, generally half of it is bloodshot and there is more fibrous stuff in it than meat it seems. Elk is one thing, but deer and bear I leave it for nature to dispose of. The only thing I really see wrong here other than a few pounds of shoulder meat that could have been saved is the fact that it sounds like this hunter tossed this carcass right along side a road, which I've always thought is distasteful. Toss it in the brush.
Post by: 7mmfan on October 14, 2014, 01:17:29 PM
I can tell you that the carcass left from my deer wouldn't feed a raven. I trim the rib meat out, take the flank, everything. It all makes burger and sausage so why not take it? The front shoulders are the easiest meat to get off the body and off the bone anyway, so why leave them? Just wasteful...
What do you use the rib meat for?
I feed it to my dogs because I can't find a palatable option for it.
I would have to agree the rib meat on a deer is a joke. I take it because it's required. I'm very picky on what I grind for burger and sausage and the time it takes to trim the rib meat the way I want it to grind is basically ridiculous. By the time I spend a half hour trimming it, I usually end up with less than a pound of meat. Hardly worth it even though I try not to ever waste anything. I'm happier saving the hearts and gizzards out of grouse. :twocents:
To each his own. The way I see it, I killed that animal, I better do my best to use every ounce of meat on it. Even the bones in the quarters get used as dog treats. Its more a show of respect to the animal than anything. I don't think you can fault a guy for that, but I'm sure someone will try and find a way.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on October 14, 2014, 02:13:41 PM
Post by: groundhog on October 14, 2014, 02:36:03 PM
In Alaska , ADF&G spells this out very clearly but here in Washington it is not as black and white in the regs. All I can find is "You may NOT allow game animals you have taken to recklessly be wasted."
Looks to me like it was shot in an earlier season and that he aged it (he got it out whole and hung it) and took the steaks and roast and didn't want to deal with the burger so he dumped it. Notice how dark the meat is for opening day. If he hung it in his shop and elected not to take the burger I think he would get a ticket if caught.
Post by: MP123 on October 14, 2014, 02:49:15 PM
Some of you guys set a very high standard which is good but I seriously doubt a judge or jury would see that as a "reckless waste" ticket. :dunno:
Post by: Pathfinder101 on October 14, 2014, 03:24:21 PM
Post by: BABackcountryBwhntr on October 14, 2014, 03:29:25 PM
Post by: woodswalker on October 14, 2014, 03:34:20 PM
It was good to meet you Jeep, hope you all did well today.
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 14, 2014, 03:40:31 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on October 14, 2014, 03:41:01 PM
I would bet that there is between 15 and 25 pounds of good meat left on that carcass...is that so little that it can be just thrown away? I am pretty disappointed at some of the responses in this thread. When I found that deer I would have bet on it being about 4-8 hours old. Meat was still good. Today of course it's dark and sour.
It was good to meet you Jeep, hope you all did well today.
I think some of the responses were based on the first picture posted and that you said both front shoulders were shot through. The second pic shows a lot more meat. I know that my buck this year was shot straight through the front shoulder with a 168 gr Berger VLD. The bullet hit the bone, shattering it. I brought the deer out whole, but there was virtually no meat left on the lower 1/3 of the shoulder. WHen I cut the skin, the leg literally fell off. After trimming the part away that was hamburgered and had bone fragments in it, I was left with a little meat on the upper part near the spine, but that was it.
Post by: big J on October 14, 2014, 04:19:50 PM
Isn't it in the regulations that the WDFW requires only 35 pounds of meat to be taken of a deer? :dunno:Dang I need to shoot bigger deer I can barely get that off the doe's I normally shoot
Post by: NOCK NOCK on October 14, 2014, 08:21:59 PM
1. More hunters need to practice more often, shoot em in the vitals, not the front shoulder= less waste of meat.
2. A lot of "Hunters" waste meat. Do you buy a pizza, case of beer, ribeye steak, etc. and instantly throw 1/2 of it in the garbage?
Hunting should always be about the meat, horns are an added bonus.
:twocents: :twocents: Flame on
Post by: billythekidrock on October 14, 2014, 08:25:21 PM
2 things I learned from this thread...
1. More hunters need to practice more often, shoot em in the vitals, not the front shoulder= less waste of meat.
2. A lot of "Hunters" waste meat. Do you buy a pizza, case of beer, ribeye steak, etc. and instantly throw 1/2 of it in the garbage?
Hunting should always be about the meat, horns are an added bonus.
:twocents: :twocents: Flame on
:yeah:
Post by: rtspring on October 14, 2014, 08:36:58 PM
2 things I learned from this thread...
1. More hunters need to practice more often, shoot em in the vitals, not the front shoulder= less waste of meat.
2. A lot of "Hunters" waste meat. Do you buy a pizza, case of beer, ribeye steak, etc. and instantly throw 1/2 of it in the garbage?
Hunting should always be about the meat, horns are an added bonus.
:twocents: :twocents: Flame on
You missed the most important lesson! Huntwa is full of rent a cops quick to judge when they have no idea what went on! Guilty before innocence seems to be the norm on here! And we wonder why so many have quit posting!
His tag! His deer! He took what he thought was usable. Slob hunter? Nope! Come into my camp and tell me how to cut up my deer or elk and you will quickly be escorted out of camp.
Post by: Dhoey07 on October 14, 2014, 08:39:05 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on October 14, 2014, 08:41:21 PM
100% slob hunter. You choose to pull the trigger and end an animals life, you sure as hell better use every ounce of meat on it!!!
:yeah:
Post by: bigtex on October 14, 2014, 08:43:46 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on October 14, 2014, 09:09:25 PM
2 things I learned from this thread...
1. More hunters need to practice more often, shoot em in the vitals, not the front shoulder= less waste of meat.
2. A lot of "Hunters" waste meat. Do you buy a pizza, case of beer, ribeye steak, etc. and instantly throw 1/2 of it in the garbage?
Hunting should always be about the meat, horns are an added bonus.
:twocents: :twocents: Flame on
You missed the most important lesson! Huntwa is full of rent a cops quick to judge when they have no idea what went on! Guilty before innocence seems to be the norm on here! And we wonder why so many have quit posting!
His tag! His deer! He took what he thought was usable. Slob hunter? Nope! Come into my camp and tell me how to cut up my deer or elk and you will quickly be escorted out of camp.
Wow................Speechless...............Almost,
Lets see, I missed a lesson????? Maybe you should re-read the above bold of your post. I do believe you are the pot calling the kettle black.
If you are not prepared/capable of correctly handling/processing a game animal, don't hunt. PERIOD
Post by: norsepete on October 15, 2014, 07:48:23 AM
Post by: sirmissalot on October 15, 2014, 08:03:29 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 15, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
I'll be sure and save the bloodshot and bone splintered rib meat for you meat hunters from now on. Then it won't go to waste. Problem solved!
I don't think anyone is saying you have to keep the bruised and bone-chipped meat. There seemed to be at least a couple of lbs of usable meat in that picture that was wasted. When it comes right down to it, I'm sure that you strive to harvest as much usable meat as you can off of an animal you've killed, Sir. That's all that anyone's pointing out here.
Post by: zike on October 15, 2014, 12:36:25 PM
Post by: rtspring on October 15, 2014, 12:38:45 PM
2 things I learned from this thread...
1. More hunters need to practice more often, shoot em in the vitals, not the front shoulder= less waste of meat.
2. A lot of "Hunters" waste meat. Do you buy a pizza, case of beer, ribeye steak, etc. and instantly throw 1/2 of it in the garbage?
Hunting should always be about the meat, horns are an added bonus.
:twocents: :twocents: Flame on
You missed the most important lesson! Huntwa is full of rent a cops quick to judge when they have no idea what went on! Guilty before innocence seems to be the norm on here! And we wonder why so many have quit posting!
His tag! His deer! He took what he thought was usable. Slob hunter? Nope! Come into my camp and tell me how to cut up my deer or elk and you will quickly be escorted out of camp.
Wow................Speechless...............Almost,
Lets see, I missed a lesson????? Maybe you should re-read the above bold of your post. I do believe you are the pot calling the kettle black.
If you are not prepared/capable of correctly handling/processing a game animal, don't hunt. PERIOD
I think you are really questioning, a fellow hunters ethics and intelligence??? Your not standing over this carcass!! How do you know its not covered in gut juice? Feces? Bloodshot? Chipped bone? YOU DONT! So again keep up the rent a cop internet policework.
I like to give benefit of doubt, until facts are facts.. To call this hunter a slob is absolutely yourself being ignorant of the facts. But flame away its your right.. Dont forget that little string of meat around that deers butthole! You can make one piece of jerky out of it..
Im not missing anything, Im standing up for someone who isnt here to say what did or did not take place.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on October 15, 2014, 08:17:17 PM
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, flies like a duck, its probably a duck.
Yes RT that's a deer testicle, and yes I ate it. Thanks for the tip....I'll try the cut you suggested next. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 15, 2014, 08:23:19 PM
You do not know what happened either, so you could be standing up for a slob hunter. JMO
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, flies like a duck, its probably a duck.
Yes RT that's a deer testicle, and yes I ate it. Thanks for the tip....I'll try the cut you suggested next. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
So what did that taste like? I wonder if they are juicer in the rut? :yike:
Post by: 300rum on October 15, 2014, 08:28:00 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on October 15, 2014, 08:45:00 PM
You do not know what happened either, so you could be standing up for a slob hunter. JMO
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, flies like a duck, its probably a duck.
Yes RT that's a deer testicle, and yes I ate it. Thanks for the tip....I'll try the cut you suggested next. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
So what did that taste like? I wonder if they are juicer in the rut? :yike:
1st time I have tried them. very little taste
Post by: coachcw on October 15, 2014, 08:58:48 PM
Post by: Smokepole on October 15, 2014, 09:14:03 PM
Hunting with dad was much the same. He kept his knives sharp, guns clean, and camp was ship shape. He taught me ethics. Gun safety. Respect to other hunters. Dad butchered his game animals cleanly, never wasting. His venison was the best, because he took a lot of pride in his work. He stripped the carcass clean.
Today, I say a prayer in thanks every time I harvest a game animal. The opportunity to hunt and harvest in our pristine public lands is a true blessing. I hope most of you will not take it lightly. My dad is gone now... but I carry his lessons with me.
Here's a photo of Dad and his last buck. He was about 76 years old & ate every scrap of rib meat off the critter before he died. :tup:
Post by: TangoU on October 15, 2014, 09:45:14 PM
When I was a kid, we raised cattle, pigs, chickens, ducks and turkeys for meat. I remember my dad sawing pork chops by hand with his meat saw, and grinding scraps into burger. I was always there helping him. Dad did a very professional job butchering, and as a kid I was amazed at the pride he had in his work. He used the entire animal - even the fat was saved for making burger from game or homemade soap. He taught me to be respectful to the animals and not waste them needlessly.
Hunting with dad was much the same. He kept his knives sharp, guns clean, and camp was ship shape. He taught me ethics. Gun safety. Respect to other hunters. Dad butchered his game animals cleanly, never wasting. His venison was the best, because he took a lot of pride in his work. He stripped the carcass clean.
Today, I say a prayer in thanks every time I harvest a game animal. The opportunity to hunt and harvest in our pristine public lands is a true blessing. I hope most of you will not take it lightly. My dad is gone now... but I carry his lessons with me.
Here's a photo of Dad and his last buck. He was about 76 years old & ate every scrap of rib meat off the critter before he died. :tup:
Right on. Just about the best reply in this whole thread. :tup:
Post by: castie2504 on October 15, 2014, 10:00:04 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 16, 2014, 04:51:54 AM
I try to save every bit of deer meat off every animal I get but I am still learning how to process my game more efficiently every year. Let's hope whoever left all that meat on that deer learns to appreciate the gift of this animal's life and try to use the whole animal.
Do you scrape the meat out of the cheeks? What about the saddle meat that clings to the hide? That's good meat.
I'm just messing with you ;)
Let me be one of the few to say, "I do not take every single useable ounce of meat from a carcass..."
Post by: boneaddict on October 16, 2014, 04:58:22 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 16, 2014, 05:02:38 AM
Indeed, stud buck too.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 16, 2014, 06:57:10 AM
Post by: Smokepole on October 16, 2014, 07:37:27 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 16, 2014, 07:40:26 AM
Thanks. When I wrote that post, my kids were eating what was left of venison liver & onions dinner. They loved it. I don't think they would go for the nutz. That's one thing I haven't tried. :chuckle:
They're kind of tasteless without breading and deep frying. The key to cooking deer nuts is that you have to start by boiling the pi$$ out of them! Yuk yuk! :chuckle:
Post by: Band on October 16, 2014, 08:24:06 AM
I didn't save the hide because my Havalon knife made Swiss cheese out of it.Isn't that like telling the officer "I was just driving along when all of a sudden my Chrysler hit the guy in the crosswalk"? :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 16, 2014, 08:31:41 AM
I didn't save the hide because my Havalon knife made Swiss cheese out of it.Isn't that like telling the officer "I was just driving along when all of a sudden my Chrysler hit the guy in the crosswalk"? :chuckle:
Yes, it's exactly the same thing.
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 17, 2014, 08:56:02 AM
The last deer I took out of that area, I used just about every scrap of meat. We process the animal ourselves. We have a bin that even the smallest scrap of meat goes into to make burger into. I use some of the rib meat to make Jerky.
(https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/l/t1.0-9/318950_437196832984593_1913957620_n.jpg?oh=0b823a3b653ce175fe66e3ab69427d66&oe=54BACD99)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/546830_437197616317848_87012680_n.jpg?oh=0a3088e4ad66a6561f8e55e4582df7bb&oe=54AB3365&__gda__=1424764588_f7dd3f3c1431d0fd52d7f1d7e4042cec)
Post by: NOCK NOCK on October 17, 2014, 09:22:02 AM
Post by: Smokepole on October 17, 2014, 09:25:44 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on October 17, 2014, 10:16:55 AM
It is also not unreasonable for the wildlife officers, in the midst of modern firearms deer season, to not waste a lot of limited resources on a relatively minor offense, with little potential to identify the offender, and no certainty there is a violation. They are chasing much more important calls. Many more potential violations are detected and reported than can be addressed, the officer's decision to triage a call should not be questioned.
I would also suggest that perhaps it is an inexperienced hunter, or possibly self-taught, rather than a slob. Nobody in my family hunted, and I was hunting solo when I killed my first animal (a pronghorn doe). Guess what? I didn't know about the hanging tenderloins, and didn't recognize there was anything there other than fat and drying blood and sinew - they got dumped with the carcass. Pretty funny when I think about the time I spent getting every shred of rib, neck, leg and back meat.
I like the post and discussion, except for the bashing - especially by guys who got cited for a serious poaching crime that someone else legitimately called in, and now think anyone who reports a violation is a snitch. Grow up.
Post by: kbrowne14 on October 17, 2014, 09:42:54 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on October 18, 2014, 05:37:12 AM
I blew out a front shoulder this year, I had bone fragments in the meat. I also packed it out. Then when I got home, I was like, why did I bring this home? It's blown out, I got about a pound of meat of the thing and threw it away. I wish I would have left it, it wasn't worth the aggravation.
Apparently some people eat that stuff
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 18, 2014, 06:13:10 AM
I blew out a front shoulder this year, I had bone fragments in the meat. I also packed it out. Then when I got home, I was like, why did I bring this home? It's blown out, I got about a pound of meat of the thing and threw it away. I wish I would have left it, it wasn't worth the aggravation.
Apparently some people eat that stuff
That crunchy blood marmalade is actually pretty tasty.
Post by: MADMAX on October 18, 2014, 06:30:48 AM
yea
you can have mine